Aren't you?

No think about it, you are. To yourself, to others and in other more abstract manners. (and I would think it obvious that I don't mean that it is all you are).

So why shouldn't you be treated like one?

Please discuss.

You're right.
I am a sexy object of female affection.
How'd you know?

So..what else is new....?

I know i am a SEX GOD.

To yourself, to others and in other more abstract manners.

Well not to myself bot hopefully to others.

Originally posted by wesmorris
Aren't you?

No think about it, you are. To yourself, to others and in other more abstract manners. (and I would think it obvious that I don't mean that it is all you are).

So why shouldn't you be treated like one?

Please discuss.

Wes - Haven't you been told to stay away from other people's windows?

Hee hee ...

I have to say that

We shouldn't be concerned with
All things that Wes claims to wish
Not upon himself but upon others
Tied to the SciForums threads.

Xample: If you have the insight - nay, eyesight - to
Examine the evidence presented you now should
Vow to accept it's word as fiction!!

Who is NOT so blind? What would she think?

Smiles all about - sweet sunshine, shine, shine, shine on!

Wes:
No think about it, you are. To yourself, to others and in other more abstract manners. (and I would think it obvious that I don't mean that it is all you are).


You're about as deep as my toilet bowl, Wes. That's, like, so romantic.

Am I just a lovehole? Depends on whether or not its a good hair day. And if the buttfucking is to be done by a scrumptious caribbean god who's into philosophy.

:: hot and bothered :: hot and bothered::

Eman rasu:
Smiles all about - sweet sunshine, shine, shine, shine on!
Five bucks says you're a woman.

Cool skill:
I am a sexy object of female affection.
How'd you know?
Look this up: mentiroso.

Originally posted by gendanken
Wes:


You're about as deep as my toilet bowl, Wes. That's, like, so romantic.



You fuck in your toilet bowl?

Just seems to me that people seem fail to recognize. Actually to be fully honest, I this is a problem for me because I realize it in real time, most of the time. For almost everyone I meet, it occurs to me that they are a depraved sex beast to someone. I don't want to think about it but I can't help it. I mostly used to it, but when I think about it I find it somewhat disturbing.

Eh, there's a lot of crap about that whole deal. It's not debilitating, just uh.. funky maybe.

Oh and yes, you ARE a love hole. I wouldn't say "just" a lovehole unless I was deep up in it at the time. At that point it would probably be more "fuck beast" than "love hole" but I'm sure you follow.

Shallow, yes. This is shallow. I am shallow. I am not shallow. Depends on what part of my brain you access. I am not shallow about being shallow though. Hehe.

Why thank you for saying that. I don't swing that way, but I take your comments as a compliment. You're a good looking guy yourself, there buddy! Keep at it; you'll find someone.

/me taps Wes's jaw on the chin with a fist and makes a clucking sound.

You fuck in your toilet bowl?

No. I fuck little boys and stupid men tied up in my basement.

For almost everyone I meet, it occurs to me that they are a depraved sex beast to someone. I don't want to think about it but I can't help it.
Of course you can't help thinking about sexual depravity. You're married. Boo hoo for you.
Oh and yes, you ARE a love hole. I wouldn't say "just" a lovehole unless I was deep up in it at the time. At that point it would probably be more "fuck beast" than "love hole" but I'm sure you follow
If by this you mean an abyssmal succubi........maybe.

Originally posted by gendanken
Of course you can't help thinking about sexual depravity. You're married. Boo hoo for you.

You're sadly mistaken if you think being married has anything to do with it. I AM married because I think about sexual depravity.

What I mean is that it's there ALL THE TIME, with pretty much everyone. I don't even mean that I think of ME with them, just that behind the facade of their persona lies a primal hose applicator or licker or fucker or toe sucker or a myriad of depraved bullshit. It's not really MY depravity, but that the species is depraved yet pretends in general that we are not. Even moreso, this depravity SICKENS me on a certain level, being so mechanistic in root motivation and function.

Stick your meat pole in the hole and maybe you'll see a baby drop from the slop in 9 months or so... give it a go. *shivers* ICK!!!!!!

It is a compulsion I cannot escape, yet I look around me and see all sorts of people that SEEM like they've escaped... until I eventually realized that it's bullshit. Nobody gets out alive. There is no escape from sexuality, all those people are faking it.

There is no escape from sexuality, all those people are faking it.

Even the Dali Lama admitted to having regrets over missing out sex.

What I mean is that it's there ALL THE TIME, with pretty much everyone. I don't even mean that I think of ME with them, just that behind the facade of their persona lies a primal hose applicator or licker or fucker or toe sucker or a myriad of depraved bullshit. It's not really MY depravity, but that the species is depraved yet pretends in general that we are not. Even moreso, this depravity SICKENS me on a certain level, being so mechanistic in root motivation and function.

This actually means a lot to me, because I agree. Everyone tries to be proper and seem like highly intelligent and highly sophisticated humans, but deep down they are just animals.

Why can't we have both in a naturally unsupressed environment? Oh yeah, STDS.

There is nothing to be ashamed of and I openly talk about it to friends and people I've never met, because I don't want to stoop to mindless animalism, but idealism instead.

/Why can't we have both in a naturally unsupressed environment? Oh yeah, STDS.

nah man, it's culture. it's that if you open the door to depravity, people are scared of what might come out. murder and torture and such. people spend their whole lives trying to learn not to be animals. to be "unsupressed" is to reject that training and go against cultural morays, etc.

It bothers me most about super straight laced kind of folks who really really really pretend HARD that none of that type of stuff exists. Complete denial is annoying.

I guess my point is that the ironic duality seems lost on most people.

/There is nothing to be ashamed of and I openly talk about it to friends and people I've never met, because I don't want to stoop to mindless animalism, but idealism instead.

You want to stoop to idealism?

I would love to call myself a sex object, but unfortunatally I do not have the assets to fill the position:D:p ;).......

Peace,

-Guyute

Originally posted by Guyute
I would love to call myself a sex object, but unfortunatally I do not have the assets to fill the position

Peace,

-Guyute

So you've NEVER masturbated nor had sex? Maybe you're still too young? Hehe.

And you know you're wrong right? Everyone is attractive to someone, haven't you noticed ugly people with lots of kids? LOL.

It's frequent and disturbing. ;)

Word to your objectification.

Everyone is attractive to someone, haven't you noticed ugly people with lots of kids? LOL.

Ain't dat da truth brutha.

Could this be an example resorting back to your sexual urges. I mean he/she isn't attractive but you just want a opposite partner to fornicate with. With urges so strong you let go of your shallow tendencies.

Originally posted by sargentlard
Could this be an example resorting back to your sexual urges. I mean he/she isn't attractive but you just want a opposite partner to fornicate with. With urges so strong you let go of your shallow tendencies.

Pretty much right. I would have said it differently, but the point is the same. You do the best you can do, then regroup, lower standard and try again! ;)

Wes:
You're sadly mistaken if you think being married has anything to do with it.
Uh-huh.
It's not really MY depravity, but that the species is depraved yet pretends in general that we are not. Even moreso, this depravity SICKENS me on a certain level, being so mechanistic in root motivation and function.

Oh shutup.

Depravity:Moral corruption or degradation
Deprive: To keep from possessing or enjoying; deny

Marriage: an anticlimactic dump.

This whole thread screams volumes. Your ~disgust~ is so fucking Catholic.

And200x:
Why can't we have both in a naturally unsupressed environment? Oh yeah, STDS.

That and the sham of morality forever trying to tie up raging, primitive animalism in pretty pink bows. Nasty habit, yes?

I have the solution:

1. We kidnap all of the clean people and live on some island, where we engage in mindless sex and killing with everything.

And200x:
We kidnap all of the clean people and live on some island, where we engage in mindless sex and killing with everything

Oohhh-oHHH-oh........mindless debauchery. How Roman.

Like the emperor Tiberius, maybe? Only twice as fun since I'd be dark mistress of ceremony and it would of course have to be my island. No speedos.

No speedos.

AWWW...excluding the Europeans....

Sarge:
AWWW...excluding the Europeans....
Except for you of course. The very thought of a watered down David Blane in a speedo gets me frisky.



***EDIT****
Two choices, either delete this post or edit it. Don't want others thinking unthought things.

This was a joke. As in humor. As in don't take what I wrote about Sarge seriously becuase I was fucking, fucking, bored.

From 'The Call of Cthulhu":

The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom. Meanwhile the cult, by appropriate rites, must keep alive the memory of those ancient ways and shadow forth the prophecy of their return.

dildo yes that you are

Wow Wes, this is the most strongly held conviction I have seen you put forth on this forum with actual emotions besides wit and humour!
I myself would have to diagree with you on myself as being a sex object.
It seems to place me as though that was my main function and purpose,that I would have no ideals or values that I would or could place above that of being a sex object.
I have greater things to aspire to within me than a simple orgasm.
Yippee!
Big deal.
I myself am begining to see the light in actually reaching this level of experience with someone I can actually mesh with on an intellectual level as well,or spiritual level if you will.

I am not a sex object.
This isn't denial.
I am bigger than sex.
simple.
Yes I undestand what you mean when you see alot of people being somewhat introverted and a restircted level of being "proper".
Honour.
Pride
Self Esteem
A worthy challenge
Nope,I am not a sex object.
I love sex,don't get me wrong,but it is not my almighty.
You seem to be stuck on one colour of the rainbow.
Yep,sounds corny.
Oh well!

Sexual urges are normal,and everybody has'em
Just dont try and tell me that my life is one big orgasm

It is just a means of procreation,and a glorious way of sharing
those emotions that are deep within you,like love,lust and caring

There are wells within us much deeper than sex
Using too big of words will just make things perplex

If you see your life as only lust,then at least you should be gratefull
But look within ,a little deeper,if all you are is hatefull

I myself am able to see
That theres more to my life,theres more to me

Perhaps this is what,can make me human
Although an animals reaction,is always loomin

Sorry this ryme lacks in the rythm
If I had more time I would probly correct'em
Peace Out





:)

Originally posted by moementum7
I am not a sex object.

I'm sorry friend, but it's not a matter of choice.

To someone (and definately to YOU, though you can pretend otherwise) you ARE - no choices.

To say you are above comes from one of two things:

You're too young to really understand it.

or

You are in total denial.

I'm pretty sure about all that there. Can anyone refute it?

EDIT: Okay, I'd guess that considering the great number of humans and their strangeness, I'll concede that maybe 1 in 1,000,000 people somehow escape this.

/Marriage: an anticlimactic dump.

Don't be a presumptuous idiot. It does not suit you. Stretch your imagination. Marriage can be cool, I assure you. Not all marriages are what you think they are. Stereotyping bitch.

/This whole thread screams volumes. Your ~disgust~ is so fucking Catholic.

HUH?

Okay, YOU shutup. Man you sound like an idiot. What the hell is wrong with you? You are smarter than that, SHOW IT or shut the fuck up. My disgust is rooted in comparison to two dogs fucking in the front yard. Mechanical, compulsory and pretty much gross. reach down between your legs and take a whiff of that skanky shit down there. Can you sense my disgust? Hmm.. maybe you keep your shit tidy. Some smell good Gen, some not so much eh?How is that catholic? Calling ME even remotely fuckign catholic is a bonehead assertion. You might consider that I'm your fucking GOD before making such retarded observations.

All individuals of two-gendered species are sex objects. As far as genes are concerned all you are there for is sex and all sex is there for is to make more genes. Genes would do without the middle man if they could.

A chicken is there just for an egg to make another egg.

I love ya WESSY!
Maybe I am in denial.
I woudn't argue with you about it.
I would say,O.K. then,whats your point?
Are you saying it's bad? " Which is kind of what I'm picking up from your post"
Or is this good,or are you just stating something for fun?
I know your not one for pointless or mind less threads,so.....I'm kind of confused.
Hey,like you say,maybe I am in total denial,or maybe I just have a different look at it or something.
But you say I don't have a choice in the matter,where this is where I would have to say that I do.
I choose to be more than sex.
I choose to be high as much of the time on myself as possible.
If sex was the only time I could feel good about myself,I would probly feel something of the digust you are talking about.

Anyways....WHO LOVES YAH WESSY?.......
Thats right ,big ol' Mr.Moe:D

*Stares at Wes's avatar*
"HMMMMM,maybe I see where this sex object thing is coming from!;)

Now you've got me thinking.
Is the great Wes putting forth thoughts and comments from a victims point of view?
NOOOOO....Perish the thought!
I would have to ask...what's really bothering you?
What is it really.?
I think maybe you should look a little more into this denial of something yourself...what ever it is.
I don't want to sound like some psychobabble guy, but your not your usual self.What's up?
I don't really think it's this whole sex object thing thats truly bothering you.
Just my opinion.
Just today I was thinking how everybody gets depressed sometimes.
Doesn't that suck!
Could it be that you have just accepted defeat?
That you have stopped striving for something greater than where you are now?
In your statement you claim to think that I am just young or something because I do not agree with you that I am a sex object.
Is That because I put forth an up and coming position towards my own life,and that I have not let myself settle for mediocrity,or anything less than what I think I deserve?
Anyways...I am not really sure what the problem is.
You must just be on the rag or something.:D
It will pass,always does.
Peace Out

I still may have no clue as to what your talking about:eek:

/Maybe I am in denial.
/I woudn't argue with you about it.
/I would say,O.K. then,whats your point?

I'm not sure yet. I just wanted to start a conversation about it to see where it goes.

/Are you saying it's bad? " Which is kind of what I'm picking up from your post"

Nah. I'm just saying it's funky and pervasive.

/Or is this good,or are you just stating something for fun?
I know your not one for pointless or mind less threads,so.....I'm kind of confused.

I just want feedback on my perspective to be honest. I wonder if anyone else sees the same shit. Honestly it makes me uncomfortable just a tad from time to time in social situations. Eh, not so much uncomfortable as annoyed that I cannot help but to see it.

/Hey,like you say,maybe I am in total denial,or maybe I just have a different look at it or something.

I often wonder, can two matters of opinion coexist paradoxically? Even if I'm right, so what? Eh, I feel like gaming for a while.

/But you say I don't have a choice in the matter,where this is where I would have to say that I do.
/I choose to be more than sex.

Sure you can, my point is that your choice doesn't change the fact that someone else might jerk off to your image or pursue you to persuade you to get sex. Further, it doesn't change the fact that your testosterone gets you woody when you see certain images or whatever. You are an object if you've ever had sex or thought of it. Clockwood put it correctly I believe.

I'm just talking about 'one end of the rainbow' yes. I don't think it's all there is, but it's a component of everything. It lurks below the surface regardless of your thoughts. To your point though it does vary greatly from person to person in intensity, or is it frequency? Something like that. Regardless it's there. I guess I'm just meandering about the mulititude of states in which a human coexists, focusing on sexuality because it's a powerful component.

/I choose to be high as much of the time on myself as possible.
If sex was the only time I could feel good about myself,I would probly feel something of the digust you are talking about.

I don't mean to say it's horrible. I mean to say that at the same time I think it kicks ass it's also horrible.

/Anyways....WHO LOVES YAH WESSY?.......
/Thats right ,big ol' Mr.Moe:D

Right on, thanks. Dig the love.

/*Stares at Wes's avatar*
/"HMMMMM,maybe I see where this sex object thing is coming from!;)

Far too kind. I get about 1/10 people who think I'm hot. Most think average, getting "fat" and "smart looking" dispersed through there (middle 80%) and about the same seem to be semi-repulsed by me. *shrug* I focus on the 1/10 who think I'm hot if they're chicks and if I can figure out which ones they are. I do need to lose a bunch of weight though. The deskjob and good home cooking have me chunked up big time. Regardless, some chicks dig it. Must be the huge ****. LOL (pardon the shameless self promotion)

Originally posted by gendanken
Look this up: mentiroso.
It's spanish.
What the hell does it mean?
The online thing said liar.
How do you figure?

/I would have to ask...what's really bothering you?
What is it really.?

I don't feel bothered. *shrug* Just curious.

/I think maybe you should look a little more into this denial of something yourself...what ever it is.

I assure you, I'm 'in touch' with my sexual objectness

/I don't want to sound like some psychobabble guy, but your not your usual self.What's up?

Honestly I'm just curious. It's something I've had on a backburner for a while, stirring it up.

/I don't really think it's this whole sex object thing thats truly bothering you.

Just my opinion.

/You're right, it's not but then again like I said I don't feel bothered.

/Just today I was thinking how everybody gets depressed sometimes.
/Doesn't that suck!

I don't think so really. I used to, but I see value in it really. I think contrast is required.

/Could it be that you have just accepted defeat?

Nope. Hardly. I seek to understand. I'm trying to get you fuckers to help me. :D

/That you have stopped striving for something greater than where you are now?

Have you seen my post-count? Have you read my posts? Come on man, pull your head out of my ass!?! LOL

/In your statement you claim to think that I am just young or something because I do not agree with you that I am a sex object.

I say it from experience and wisdom, but like I said it's not necessarily true. You might just be pretending! ;) You should focus on the part about where it's not really up to you. Part of this is the oddness of opinion. In a sense, if i think something that has no bearing on anything except my perspective is true, then it's true. It is also true of the opposite or parallel scenarios. That's counter-intuitive to the logical rejection of paradoxes in the physical world. Paradox should not exist in our experiences from the world, yet can wholly exist in the abstract contrasts of our minds or of ourselves for that matter. Funky stuff I tellsya.

/Is That because I put forth an up and coming position towards my own life,and that I have not let myself settle for mediocrity,or anything less than what I think I deserve?

Nope it's because in my life I thought i knew I probably didn't know shit like i could later but thought I was pretty on it, then got to later and thought, 'man, i understand shit SO much better than i thought before' and sex is one of those topics that fits with it. thusly if you're young odds (as my experience figures them) are that you don't really understand your sexual bullshit in the manner you can 15 or 20 years later, especially if you're fucking good at understanding things, and especially if you bother to understand things.

/Anyways...I am not really sure what the problem is.
You must just be on the rag or something.:D

Man, the mob is indeed fickle. I suppose you are now holding your thumb down to idicate my demise? Sheez. From "I LOVE YOU WES" to "you ragging bastard" in just one post! Hehe. Well, entertainment is only my side-gig so egg me as you must you unfaithful traitor!

/It will pass,always does.
/Peace Out

Ayup.

/I still may have no clue as to what your talking about

Eh, it's just a converstation about human sexuality and how those humans treat it (obviously, from my perspective).

The thought that lead to the thread is posted in the first post. The thought that lead to that thought is difficult for me to explain. It had to do with the way I'm exposed to anyone I encounter. If a hot chick looks into my eyes, there is the you know that I know that you know that I know most likely righteous "don't treat me as a sex object" kind of thing (at least I sense it and know it's there some of the time). I'm the one that puts it there because I'm very honest with myself that partially I see that chick as a sex object. I'm a genuine dood and would use a chick for sex if she endorsed it (which doesn't mean we wouldn't end up as friends or whatever) but wouldn't violate a woman's wishes (within reason). eh, then I was thinking about how I can't help it because I'm basically incapable of faking and ponder if rather that embracing my sexuality i need to distance myself from it but then I thought that's unhealthy blah blah blah. So then I thought the thing I said above and thought I'd see what you fucks have to say.

So I'm not really bothered more than usual, I just thought I'd finally figured out a way to express something regarding that topic or at least, by participating in the thread - I might end up doing so.

"The thought that lead to the thread is posted in the first post. The thought that lead to that thought is difficult for me to explain. It had to do with the way I'm exposed to anyone I encounter. If a hot chick looks into my eyes, there is the you know that I know that you know that I know most likely righteous "don't treat me as a sex object" kind of thing (at least I sense it and know it's there some of the time). I'm the one that puts it there because I'm very honest with myself that partially I see that chick as a sex object. I'm a genuine dood and would use a chick for sex if she endorsed it (which doesn't mean we wouldn't end up as friends or whatever) but wouldn't violate a woman's wishes (within reason). eh, then I was thinking about how I can't help it because I'm basically incapable of faking and ponder if rather that embracing my sexuality i need to distance myself from it but then I thought that's unhealthy blah blah blah. So then I thought the thing I said above and thought I'd see what you fucks have to say."

But then again I get back around to seeing this connundrum as the opportunity cost for the knowledge of the connundrum. That amuses me.

This is inane.

Wes:
Don't be a presumptuous idiot.
How about this: don't presume that I wouldn't know
Not all marriages are what you think they are. Stereotyping bitch.
Don't pope me on what I think things are. Marriage is a bitch on the libido.
This whole thread screams volumes. Your ~disgust~ is so fucking Catholic.

Wes: HUH?


For the conceptually deaftone: I have a certain putz in my family that likes wagging his finger at my sexual habits. Presumably he was a wild child in the sixties but having been married some 20 odd years now you'd think he was dying. He's Christian, has 3 children and works in a factory. Hideously moral and yet he's cheated on his wife about 3 times now and drools at a pair of young perky breasts when no one is looking. Its not that he's preaching beacuase he's disgusted. He's preaching because he doesn't want folks to know that it turns him on..

He'd give it all up if cute little twenty sometings didn't find him repulsive.

And so the occupational disease of the Catholic priest who'll parade his disgust for debauchary but who's secretly obsessed with the choirboy. A young, sweet, nice piece of ass.
~Catholic~

And that's what you sounded like, Wes. Charading disgust so soon after asking that little question of yours "Shouldn't you be treated like a sex object?" which reminded me of this and sounded like rope tricks. If you can't see this, eat me.

I may be wrong and you seem to think so, yet this thread is the only thing to go by. Don't be so fucking quick to call someone an idiot.

You might consider that I'm your fucking GOD before making such retarded observations
And you might consider my using messiahs for target practice.

Cool skill:
It's spanish.
What the hell does it mean?
The online thing said liar.
How do you figure?
The reading skills of a fucking kindergartener is lost on some.

You said: "I am a sexy object of female affection.
How'd you know?"

And I called you a liar. Mentiroso. Voila.

/Don't pope me on what I think things are. Marriage is a bitch on the libido.

Yes it CAN BE. But it isn't always. I'm telling you, you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm one of the lucky few - promise.

/For the conceptually deaftone: I have a certain putz in my family that likes wagging his finger at my sexual habits. Presumably he was a wild child in the sixties but having been married some 20 odd years now you'd think he was dying. He's Christian, has 3 children and works in a factory. Hideously moral and yet he's cheated on his wife about 3 times now and drools at a pair of young perky breasts when no one is looking. Its not that he's preaching beacuase he's disgusted. He's preaching because he doesn't want folks to know that it turns him on..

Hehe, and you think that's what I'm doing? See that's what fucking pisses me off. You know I'm this kickass motherfucker yet you associate my attributes with fuckign putz's. You don't think a motherfucker like myself might ought to credit just a little bit more consideration? Nothing pisses me off quicker than doubting my goddamn character because of your fucking presumption.

/He'd give it all up if cute little twenty sometings didn't find him repulsive.

And you associate me like that? Thanks. I'll admit that I'd stick it into thing remotely found attractive to me (given the mutual desire). I've already done so (admitted it) on numerous occasions. You may not have known that, but I'd think you'd give a fucker just a tad of credit. Ack. Stop it.

/And so the occupational disease of the Catholic priest who'll parade his disgust for debauchary but who's secretly obsessed with the choirboy. A young, sweet, nice piece of ass.
~Catholic~

Again? Fuck Gen, this is pretty fucked up.

/And that's what you sounded like, Wes.

So when I type, you assign the voice of the fool because there's no one in your real life who isn't in your eyes? Then you point the problem at me? I'll spare the rest of the psychoanalysis.

Gen, I value our interaction and do not want to fuck this shit up. I'll drop hostilities and ask that you do the same.

/Charading disgust so soon after asking that little question of yours "Shouldn't you be treated like a sex object?" which reminded me of this and sounded like rope tricks. If you can't see this, eat me.

Well, I can see it when you bother to explain it rather than slinging ignorant accusations. I'll pass on eating you for now. I had pie earlier. More would give me indigestion.

/I may be wrong and you seem to think so, yet this thread is the only thing to go by. Don't be so fucking quick to call someone an idiot.

Please note my response above.

/And you might consider my using messiahs for target practice.

LOL. Well, spot on fucker. Bring it! ;)

Pause.

Dude. Calm. THE. Fuck. Down.

Shennanigans.

You'd think dealing out what I thought you were would've cooled your little fever, but if you'd rather flame, do it on your own time.

Fabulous? Yes. Omniscient? No. I have no clue what goes on in that bondage.....oops, *marriage* of yours. I can only go by what things sound like. And I was wrong- you really are disgusted.

You've corrected me and good. Cream de crem. Consider it a first.

We aren't JUST sex objects wes:rolleyes:
You're selling humans short
we are also food
We are edible sex objects, get it right;)

And for the record-

Wes:
You know I'm this kickass motherfucker yet you associate my attributes with fuckign putz's.
No. I don't know you're a kick ass motherfucker. We can negotiate your being a just a motherfucker, though.

Note the Freudian morphology: I'm 'gendy' when the idea is that I'm not pissy and being a kitty, and 'gend' when the kitty sounds like a tiger.

Cute.

Originally posted by gendanken
Cool skill:

The reading skills of a fucking kindergartener is lost on some.

You said: "I am a sexy object of female affection.
How'd you know?"

And I called you a liar. Mentiroso. Voila.
Great. :rolleyes:

yes i would like to think of myself as sexking:D

Thanks for explaining Wes!
I now understand what you are saying.

And no,he's not saying that this is all we are.
Read first post again!
Peace Out

:)
P.S. Hey Gen,are you a guy or girl?

Originally posted by gendanken
No. I don't know you're a kick ass motherfucker.

We can negotiate your being a just a motherfucker, though.

Note the Freudian morphology: I'm 'gendy' when the idea is that I'm not pissy and being a kitty, and 'gend' when the kitty sounds like a tiger.

Cute.

You don't LOSE well do you Gendy? What lack of grace. Not cute.

Originally posted by cool skill
You're right.
I am a sexy object of female affection.
How'd you know?

...

beat me to it. ;)

ive seriusly considerd becoming a nueter (spelling?).
besides the benifits to not having my mind clouded by pointless thoughts about fuckings id have a physical advantage in not having to waist energy on sex organs.

i dont think id miss it much. theres alot more to life.

besides i have no intention of having children.

and i know im going to get so flamed for saying this but i dont want sex.
id rather be with out it.
physicaly i want it. and its enjoyable.
but its also duisgusting and gets in the way.
but as long as im stuck with these stupid organs and hormones i might as well get my superficial joy from the physical sensation, right?

but as long as im stuck with these stupid organs and hormones i might as well get my superficial joy from the physical sensation, right?

Bingo. Sexuality is annoying enough, but sublimate and it's not really that big of a deal.

wesmorris:
Must you reiterate your disrespect for the female gender until every person who has ever interacted online is familiar with it? Get over it and get over yourself.

Dr. Lou:
We aren't JUST sex objects wes
You're selling humans short
we are also food
We are edible sex objects, get it right

Spot on.

/Bingo. Sexuality is annoying enough, but sublimate and it's not really that big of a deal.

So having a conversation about it once in a while is off limits eh? That's a load of shit Xev.

/Must you reiterate your disrespect for the female gender until every person who has ever interacted online is familiar with it? Get over it and get over yourself.

Please illustrate how my position is disrespectful to the female gender. I don't appreciate your bullshit accusations.

/Spot on.

That was a fucking JOKE from him Xev because HE read the following statement in the first post of this thread:

"(and I would think it obvious that I don't mean that it is all you are)."

Why can you not see the obvious?

http://members.boardhost.com/Asianroyal/msg/2557.html
Haha that was me, see what a clown I am? I'm just like tv's bruce villanche:)

/ive seriusly considerd becoming a nueter (spelling?).

I've considered it, but then I thought "no fucking way man". I don't want to not have the balls after having had the balls to not have the balls. I'll just not have the balls so I can keep them. LOL. Yeah basically I'm not that commited to the premise. I DO enjoy sexuality. I just wanted to talk about he down side too.

/besides the benifits to not having my mind clouded by pointless thoughts about fuckings id have a physical advantage in not having to waist energy on sex organs.

Yup, that's why I thought about it. Simultaneously though, maybe your sexy sexy thoughts motivate you in some manner you deem positive but cannot see. Hey, it's possible.

/i dont think id miss it much. theres alot more to life.

Sure there is, but a good lay kicks ass. It's only when we intellectualize it (which seems inevitable at least eventually) that it becomes kind of gross.

/besides i have no intention of having children.

Hehe, me too. Oops. :) Lucky me! I can't believe how I was converted by actually having kids! The parental intinct is intoxicating, the love for one's children (at least for me) is intense and wonderful. I swear I'm still shocked. Eh, well really I mean, if you're going to do it - go with it eh? I was resistant but damnit those punkins stole my heart.

/and i know im going to get so flamed for saying this but i dont want sex.

I have felt the same way but when a hottie walked by I forgot about what I was thinking and started thinking about getting laid. It bothers me a bit when I reflect on it, but I don't see a resolution. For me, it's lathargic to discuss it from time to time.

/id rather be with out it.

Seems like a good idea. I'm not so sure it would work for me.

/physicaly i want it. and its enjoyable.

Indeed. It's like food in a sense.

/but its also duisgusting and gets in the way.

Exactly.

/but as long as im stuck with these stupid organs and hormones i might as well get my superficial joy from the physical sensation, right?

Well put. I think that once the complaints are vented and the arguments added up - that's just about it. It's not entirely superficial though. It's part of the biology of "bonding" if you have a mate. I believe the intent is that you feel closer to someone you've had sex with. Obviously that's not always true.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wesmorris
[B]Aren't you?

No think about it, you are.

Me? You are kidding.

Originally posted by MISSunderstanding@
Me? You are kidding.

Unless you are a virgin and have never masturbated or had sexual fantasies, no.

I think shunning sex and seeing how its gross and lame and enslaving etc would be the one thing that a person could claim seperates them from other animals.
Everything else, all the other "its what seperates man from the animals" examples are arbitrary ego-strokers.
But this is pretty serious.
It's flipping the bird at the very reason you exist. Merely being chaste doesn't make you special but noticing what sex actually is and using your brain to over power your most powerful urges really signifies you are an elite being.... or a faulty glitch ridden animal, depends on how you look at it.

Even I, the most anti-human human ever has this overwhelming urge to have a house with dogs and kids.
That would make me happy. The thing is I know why that would make me happy, and I know it wouldn't be me deciding I'm happy but me being rewarded for playing out the tasks assigned for me.
I don't know which is more important to me, my happiness or my dignity, I can't have both because I understand whats really going on.
I go for happiness and the gods are laughing at me, making that pussy whipped sound affect, and possibly calling me a little bitch, I don't know.

Not having kids would be a big fuck you, its such a cool and righteous concept. You're screwing with the very system that created everything.
Its the only example I know of where the human brain can outsmart nature.
Why would you want to do that? just to do it!
I mean thats meddling with the power, its like a jew breaking out of a concentration camp using his jew-brain.
Thats showing the stars you know whats up and its not going to fly. Its being a cosmic rebel!
Think about it, you're an animal in every way, you're put here to play by the rules that are your instincts, most everyone does and most everyone has in history.
But saying "I know and no", realising exactly how every human in history has been a mindless slave and saying "not me".
You only get one shot at life, how can you not be part of that group when you consider the options?
Be a free thinking entity too mentally powerful and aware to be controlled by natural laws, or be an every day run of the mill mindless sheep of a living organism.
Those are the options, all the other things you think make you special as a living organisms are null and void if you still obey your animal instincts and reproduce.
Natures like "yeah yeah you're really cool ummm will you just wear this gimp mask and bark like a dog? thanks I knew you would... bitch! haha"
I'm throwing that gimp mask on the ground and saying no!

But then, I could teach a kid to be a ninja, that would be totally cool.... hmmm damn you nature!:mad: I'm still your bitch :(

Aren't you?

No think about it, you are. To yourself, to others and in other more abstract manners. (and I would think it obvious that I don't mean that it is all you are).

So why shouldn't you be treated like one?

Please discuss.
Because in the overall scheme of things, We donot want another competing for our mate. Of course this competetion always exists, but the human lives by lies and denial.

Originally posted by thefountainhed
the human lives by lies and denial.

BULLSHIT.

SOME humans live by lies and denial.

I generally despise those the live by lies.

I generally expect those that live by denial.

Both disgust me and I refuse them to the highest degree that I can.

I am almost entirely without lies or denial.

Originally posted by thefountainhed
the human lives by lies and denial.

BULLSHIT.

SOME humans live by lies and denial.

I generally despise those the live by lies.

I generally expect those that live by denial.

Both disgust me and I refute them to the highest degree that I can.

I am almost entirely without lies or denial.

BULLSHIT.
SOME humans live by lies and denial.
I generally despise those the live by lies.
I generally expect those that live by denial.
Both disgust me and I refute them to the highest degree that I can.
I am almost entirely without lies or denial.


LYING BULLSHITTER!!! I see you even posted this twice to convince yourself, DENYING bullshitter. Deny to me that you are not really insane! I mean why the hell do you work? Why aren't you out killing, raping, stealing and participating in other pleasurable and satisfying activities? Why are up at this time staring at the screen, debating with an entity/person/your imagination miles and miles away? Huh?

Why do you think you are the "nerd overlord"? eh? Why are you patriotic when you do not know 99.99% of your "fellow" citizens? Why can't you think your wife will cheat? That your kids won't love you? That you are intellignet? Or that you are a moron? Why do you care about anyone but yourself? Why do you wear clothing when it is scorching hot outside? Why do you believe or not believe in God? In anything? Why do you think the earth is rotating?


Oh yes Wesmorris, you live in denial, on lies, repeated, and repeated, and repeated, and repeated until it is true. You live in denial for your mind cannot take the truth.

wesmorris:
So having a conversation about it once in a while is off limits eh? That's a load of shit Xev.

I didn't claim this, nor did I claim anything like this.
Learn some reading skills, bucko.

Please illustrate how my position is disrespectful to the female gender. I don't appreciate your bullshit accusations.

I don't give a fuck what you appreciate. The fact that some other posters are willing to kiss your ass does not lead to my being willing to.

Nor did I claim that your position was disrespectful. Your attitude, and your referring to the gender as "bitches" is.
Not to wax moralistic, merely to point out that it becomes extremely tedious.

That was a fucking JOKE from him Xev because HE read the following statement in the first post of this thread:

Reading comprehension, boy. Learn it. Love it. Live it.
I was responding in kind.

I just read this thread through and noticed, there's a lot of tension around sex. Between genders, ages, and basically general ppl. There seems to be a lot of it on this post, maybe it's from the topic of sex, or maybe it's just breaking out for some reason.

It's just sex ppl, you get pleasure from it, one thing inserts in another, or however you want to do it. I don't understand how everyone can be so disgusted over it. I could guess that it's cause of all the cultural norms and peer presure for it to be a "naughty" thing. It's just flesh, what's so disgusting? Even with dogs, why does it matter so much? Your little 5 year old isn't going to go ewww that's gross, seeing you and your wife doing it. Why should you?

Now it would seem wess, that you're trying to get girls to say, sure i'm a sex object. And get them to stop thinking you're a pervert because you're looking at them. But that is just a generalization of what i got from you posts on this thread so far. An opinion, which you said you wanted, like others who have posted who you've either called them an idiot or gotten mad at them. Especially gendanken which you say lets get over the animosity and then next sentence you say bring it the fuck on....

You may be joking, but you do need to calm down in the insulting cause it's not helping for other's opinions of you, even if you dont care.

Anyways, i need to go masterbate, sexual urges building up. Wait.. there's a new episode of stargate stargate sg1 on! omg, i gotta go see that!
:D

/LYING BULLSHITTER!!!

You should know better.

/I see you even posted this twice to convince yourself, DENYING bullshitter.

It's not an act.

/Deny to me that you are not really insane!

Not a problem. I'm not really insane. HA!

/I mean why the hell do you work?

What else should i do? I thought about it. I like my work, I need money, I'm part of a society, I like the other humans in general. Further, it's stimulating. I feel like I actually contribute. My ideas mean something there. It's pretty cool.

/Why aren't you out killing, raping, stealing and participating in other pleasurable and satisfying activities?

I don't think I'd enjoy any of those things. I know I wouldn't actually. Not good. Plus, see first answer.

/Why are up at this time staring at the screen, debating with an entity/person/your imagination miles and miles away? Huh?

For the stimulation. I simply love it and could not expand my mind as efficiently if it weren't for others. In some ways my identity is defined through the people I interact with, even those disembodied typists.

/Why do you think you are the "nerd overlord"? eh?

I don't REALLY, it's just a name I gave myself to amuse Ghassan and I liked it.

/Why are you patriotic when you do not know 99.99% of your "fellow" citizens?

Because I'm smart enough to know that in terms of geopolitical positioning it basically comes down to whose team you're on. You can choose a different one if you want. I like this one for a variety of reasons.

/Why can't you think your wife will cheat?

I have faith in her personality. Not much is outside the realm of possibility eh? Oh, and who likes to be betrayed? I can think it if I want, does that make it true? If I thought she'd cheat she wouldn't be my wife, der. hehe.

/That your kids won't love you?

If you had kids you'd know the answer. They love the out of me. Of course that might change, how would I know?

/That you are intellignet?

Experience. Honestly I don't know for absolute sure. Haven't you noticed me talking about that? Maybe it's YOUR denial that's the problem eh? I got that backward eh? Pardon. Okay uh, I've explained this before too on sci but don't remember where, it was recent. How could I find the confidence to think about esoteric bizarre retarded bullshit and present it as a reasonable theory if I didn't think I was intellegent?

/Or that you are a moron?

See the first half of the last answer. :D

/Why do you care about anyone but yourself?

Well, because I see me in them to be honest hehe. I meant that the clean way I swear, but I can't deny that the other meaning doesn't carry a little weight. What good am I if I have no one to talk to? I care about other people because they define me, because they stimulate me, blah blah. Lot's of reasons.

/Why do you wear clothing when it is scorching hot outside?

Because I've become accustomed to living in a society. Futher, now lack of clothes is uncomforable and finally: shrinkage and related issues. I wouldn't want my cock swinging out there for everyone to see. Even further, I was conditioned to wear clothes as a child. There are too many negatives for me to bother.

/Why do you believe or not believe in God? In anything? Why do you think the earth is rotating?

Blah blah, where is your point?

/Oh yes Wesmorris, you live in denial, on lies, repeated, and repeated, and repeated, and repeated until it is true.

You in no way refuted my claim that "I am almost entirely without lies or denial." You merely spewed what I think it probably (but you didn't really explain your reasoning) a bunch of questions based in phychobabble. Be specific damn you!

/You live in denial for your mind cannot take the truth.

I think you're wrong but the truth is that ultimately I cannot know for sure! Hehe. Tell me I can't take the truth. Sheeit. What else you got punk? ehehe. :D

Hey man, how can you tell me my answers aren't truthful or ridden with denial? How is it that you think you know?

:m:

/I didn't claim this, nor did I claim anything like this.
Learn some reading skills, bucko.

I refuse. Well, I was insulted at your accusation and that tainted my interpretation. I can see how you might not have meant it that way but when I re-read it I still see both.

/I don't give a fuck what you appreciate.

Ah, the anti-social thing. Okay then. You do too you bastard.

/The fact that some other posters are willing to kiss your ass does not lead to my being willing to.

Oh on, try it. It's choco-flavored! I've got flavor options is you prefer, more of a strawberry girl? We could hook dat up. Work with me.

/attitude, and your referring to the gender as "bitches" is.

LOL, hehe.. NOW you're sensitive? Oh take a fucking joke. With all the venom you spew you take offense to 'bitches', how choice. If you'd looked around Xev, you might have noticed I loves to play with language and do stupid shit with it. I make up words a lot. "bitches" is part of a vernacular nowadays which if I were to take seriously has both realistic and negative connotations, but since I don't take that shit real serious, nor do I think anyone of much insight WOULD, especially coming from me, well, that's a retarded gripe Xev. Please, stop it. I respect PEOPLE Xev, a gender has traits and utility - it even has retarded names, but it certainly doesn't have self respect or any qualities of mind that aren't placed there by the components thereof. In other words, YOU get over yourself. :p

You know I loves my bitches.

LOL ehehaheha. Man I'm bad, pardon.

/Not to wax moralistic, merely to point out that it becomes extremely tedious.

Yeah I know, having to come down off the mountain to point shit out to the mortals is SO taxing. Thanks master, may I have another?

/Reading comprehension, boy. Learn it. Love it. Live it.
I was responding in kind.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!! You do that shit on purpose. The smiley or LOL or HEHE or whatever was invented to convey jokstering. I'm not saying you weren't joking, but how is one to know from such a vitriolic bastard?!?! You LOVE that you can play it either way by excluding the smiley, don't lie. :p

/Now it would seem wess, that you're trying to get girls to say, sure i'm a sex object.

I think everyone should acknowledge that component of reality, yes. I know what everyone won't. Not that big of a deal, but it makes for an interesting conversation from time to time.

/And get them to stop thinking you're a pervert because you're looking at them.

Well, I AM looking at them and I AM somewhat of a pervert - but everyone else is a damn pervert too damnit! stop looking down your nose at me! You sucked that dumb fucker's DICK! ARGHHHGHG!

HEHE..

I meant the first line and added the second for dramatic/comedic flare. Pardon.

/But that is just a generalization of what i got from you posts on this thread so far.

Yeah, slightly backwardsish but pretty close!

/An opinion, which you said you wanted, like others who have posted who you've either called them an idiot or gotten mad at them.

Defending Gendy eh? Okay go.

There's a difference between opinion and personal attack.

She called me a catholic, that's fucked up. She resorted to a personal attack and it pissed me off because I thought we were reaching some understanding between one another and rather than give a friend the benefit of the doubt and ask if this was what he meant, she just started throwing around bullshit accusations. If you're gonna do that shit you imply you are ready to defend it, I'm certailnly not going to let is slide with no comment.

/Especially gendanken which you say lets get over the animosity and then next sentence you say bring it the fuck on....

Name one other person. Especially Gendanken of the list of who? Gendanken and Xev? I already replied to Xev about the potential for misunderstanding.

/You may be joking, but you do need to calm down in the insulting cause it's not helping for other's opinions of you, even if you dont care.

Honestly, fuck you. :D Hehe. You asked for it. I don't mean it, expecially because I don't know you, but you are stupid to try and tell me what to do. That's assenine.

/Anyways, i need to go masterbate, sexual urges building up.

Right on! Have a uhm.. gooey(?) time? *shudder*

/Wait.. there's a new episode of stargate stargate sg1 on! omg, i gotta go see that!

Yay.

I am not if I choose not to be, undertsand?

I am female, yet that is MERELY a title! I am an induvidual, a soul, a person.

Why don't you lead yourself in the right direction?

Life is not about sex.

If it was in the dictionary, when you looked up the word life it would say "sex".

Does it? Didn't think so.

LIfe is about something else, something far greater. Sex is a reproduction method. It is also a way for two souls to intertwine and become one, make something entirely knew.


"I am who I am. That's all. Nothing more, but maybe less."

You should know better.
See, I knew you were mad

It's not an act.
Ha!

Not a problem. I'm not really insane. HA!
What kind of sane person really says they are not really insane? heh?

What else should i do? I thought about it. I like my work, I need money, I'm part of a society, I like the other humans in general. Further, it's stimulating. I feel like I actually contribute. My ideas mean something there. It's pretty cool.
What the hell are talking about? NO human likes to WORK! That is our being! You have been taught, lied to, to like to work.:bugeye: Like I said, you could be out stealing and gorging yourself, raping, napping, etc. Nah fool, you are a minion. When your ideas matter, you have none at all. The one with no ideas at the head, he is all that matters.

I don't think I'd enjoy any of those things. I know I wouldn't actually. Not good. Plus, see first answer. [i/]
You lying, denying bullshitter.

[i]For the stimulation. I simply love it and could not expand my mind as efficiently if it weren't for others. In some ways my identity is defined through the people I interact with, even those disembodied typists.
LOL. This is your repressed psyche revealing itself. You don't really want to "expand" your mind. Heck you don't even change any of what you say unless when it is obvious you have to. In reality you want to kick some ass and make up for the delusionment you suffer at "work". You are fucked up man. Denial for survivability.

I don't REALLY, it's just a name I gave myself to amuse Ghassan and I liked it.
See? Denial!

Because I'm smart enough to know that in terms of geopolitical positioning it basically comes down to whose team you're on. You can choose a different one if you want. I like this one for a variety of reasons.
First response is your intelligence? See, you really are brain washed. 'Hey Bobby why should we die for the great USA?' Well cause that's just what it is man. This is the greatest nation on earth, dude! :bugeye: Bobby needs a mental hospital for wanting to sacrifice his life for millions of unknown strangers, some who want to kill him. Geopolitical what? LMAO. Lying punk!
It only matters who the fuck you are. Why not take a damn plane to India then?

I have faith in her personality.
Didn't anyone tell you that belief outside evidence is the human's supreme way of denial?

Not much is outside the realm of possibility eh?
Then why assert otherwise? Even when your real brain starts to function, you push it away!

Oh, and who likes to be betrayed?
Who cares? What significance?

I can think it if I want, does that make it true? If I thought she'd cheat she wouldn't be my wife, der. hehe.
Eh? Denial while writing? Subconscious or conscious denial? Wow, you are a brilliant specimem Wes.

If you had kids you'd know the answer.
Evading the question to reaffirm what society tells you to think. Otherwise, the sacrifices you make will seem insane like they really are!

They love the out of me.
See? Again!

Of course that might change, how would I know?
Why are you asking me? What relevenace to topic?

Experience.
Heh? Are you 65? Have you experienced a summer in Kiev? In Timbuktu? The old crappy reaffirmation again.

Honestly I don't know for absolute sure. Haven't you noticed me talking about that?
See?

Maybe it's YOUR denial that's the problem eh? I got that backward eh? Pardon.
My denial? Why do you have to put in capital letters to affirm to yourself man? Damn!

Okay uh, I've explained this before too on sci but don't remember where, it was recent. How could I find the confidence to think about esoteric bizarre retarded bullshit and present it as a reasonable theory if I didn't think I was intellegent?
Because you need to feed your ego man! Why else would you give a shit in the first place what anyone freaking thinks man? Denial. Lies. Denial. You are insane man.

See the first half of the last answer.
Half is 50%. The first 50% was not a sentence man. :eek:

Well, because I see me in them to be honest hehe. I meant that the clean way I swear, but I can't deny that the other meaning doesn't carry a little weight. What good am I if I have no one to talk to? I care about other people because they define me, because they stimulate me, blah blah. Lot's of reasons.
He, he. The man tries to be sane and faces a block again! I see hope though.

Because I've become accustomed to living in a society. Futher, now lack of clothes is uncomforable and finally: shrinkage and related issues. I wouldn't want my cock swinging out there for everyone to see. Even further, I was conditioned to wear clothes as a child. There are too many negatives for me to bother.
You have just tried to rationlize a very very illogical thing! If it is hot outside and you must go out--which you reallyshouldn't, then go fucking naked. That's it. Finito.

Blah blah, where is your point?
Blind faith, fool. It is taught to you at an early age through many many stimuli. Blind faith is denial that the psyche won't feel so repressed about.

You in no way refuted my claim that "I am almost entirely without lies or denial." You merely spewed what I think it probably (but you didn't really explain your reasoning) a bunch of questions based in phychobabble. Be specific damn you!
Escape the from the lies man! By every scientific "psychobabble" you go by, I just freaking did!

I think you're wrong but the truth is that ultimately I cannot know for sure! Hehe.
Good, at least you are beginning to understand, but not really! You are lying to yourself to make you think that you are really open but you are not! Why do you think such phrases exist in the first place man?

Tell me I can't take the truth. Sheeit.
You can't take the truth. Sheeit.

What else you got punk? ehehe.
Everything I just posted!

Hey man, how can you tell me my answers aren't truthful or ridden with denial? How is it that you think you know?
Because you human goddamn it! It is an instrinsic part of your being. By being part of society, the first prize you pay is your sanity! Plus because I am human too damnit. I am also insane!

um well why shouldnt we be treated like sex objects ? ! thats b/c SOME of us are way more then that ! and SOME of us dont want to be treated like something that is only not even half of what we really ARE !! so theres my answer!

?

/What kind of sane person really says they are not really insane? heh?

Have you considered potential semantic issues? I'm not insane, I'm human. I accept that to my core. I take responsibility for it, regardless of whether or not I volunteered.

/What the hell are talking about? NO human likes to WORK!

You're just demonstrating that you haven't had a good job. When you love your job, it's not work - for real. It's a responsibility, but it's part of you if you accept it. That's not denial, it's maturity.

/That is our being! You have been taught, lied to, to like to work.:bugeye: Like I said, you could be out stealing and gorging yourself, raping, napping, etc. Nah fool, you are a minion. When your ideas matter, you have none at all. The one with no ideas at the head, he is all that matters.

Hehe, you've confused your angst-ridden youthful comprehension for a point. LOL. Hey fucker, I'm telling you it's not like that. I know it seems like that but you're missing something. MIND is maleable. Truth is difficult to regarding issues of what one "likes" and "dislikes". Attitude over time reconfigures the mind. To call that 'bullshit' is a highly debatable issue. I know what you're driving and and you know I just like to give you hell - but at the same time over the last ten years I've come to what I think is a higher understanding of all this shit. Of course no human likes to work if they can't find the reward in it. But have you considered the very real possibility that there IS reward in it? I'm not a blue collar dude, I'm a management type and I earnestly enjoy the virtually evolutionary experience of attempting to modify a company such that it is fit for economic survival. It's fucking cool. I find it a noble and simultaneously selfish endeavor.

/You lying, denying bullshitter.

Wrong brother. I cannot harm people intentionally. I just can't. I've been that way since I was a little kid. Sure I can let my temper flare and beat senselessly upon your skull, but wow - how primal. I'm certainly an animal, but I'm an animal with a gift. That's no bullshit. I'm the most earnest, well meaning motherfucker you know of. There are others like me, but most dabble in denial. I have no need. I can accept that horrible shit can happen at any time. I try to keep an eye out for that kind of thing.

/LOL. This is your repressed psyche revealing itself.

Hehe, man you must really take me for a chump. Have you considered that I considered that? Have you considered that I have a 12 year jump on you? Have you considered that I might possibly have worked that shit out? You should consider if it's possible and contemplate the outcome if you decide to think that it's not.

/You don't really want to "expand" your mind.

Hehe, who's repressed problems are revealing themselves? LOL. Brother, I do. I'm on a quest to understand. I think I have a gift. I'm okay with it if it's just a fallacy. I'm human. I have a lot of experienced evidence that my gift is real. This feeds my ego. My ego tells me - pursue this shit because you're onto something. I DO want to expand my understanding. This in turn expands my mind. You simply are naive to tell me you think you know more about me than I do.

/Heck you don't even change any of what you say unless when it is obvious you have to.

Yes but I make the choice to interact and experience to integrate all the input. I don't have to: I WANT TO.

/In reality you want to kick some ass and make up for the delusionment you suffer at "work".

That's silly bro. How do you think you know? Man, presumption on a grand scale. Who is responsible for my delusionment? Whose ass might I kick to make up for it? I take responsibility. Don't blame me for YOUR short-comings in comprehension.

/You are fucked up man. Denial for survivability.

You are doing that and blaming me for it. Take some fucking reponsibility.

/See? Denial!

No, truth and acceptance of fallability (regarding expectations) with a dash of hope.

/First response is your intelligence? See, you really are brain washed.

No, you are really brainwashed if you think I'm brainwashed. I've been on all sides of the argument until within the last few years I've come to realize what I've mentioned. How is it that you think your assessment of me more valid than my assessment of me? You think I'm too stupid to see through my own bullshit? Hehe, dude - gimme a break. This is my fucking forte. Could you at least CONSIDER the possibility that my words have merit or you think it's smarter to just write them off to your simplistic phychoanalytical bullshit. I suppose it's obvious you've made your choice. It's a shame though, because I would not bullshit you (except under extreme duress).

/'Hey Bobby why should we die for the great USA?' Well cause that's just what it is man. This is the greatest nation on earth, dude! :bugeye: Bobby needs a mental hospital for wanting to sacrifice his life for millions of unknown strangers, some who want to kill him. Geopolitical what?

Hehe, you think my position is so simple? LOL. What does dying for you country have to do with it? Dude, ack. You are looking at it from a perscrition you've formed for yourself. The fact remains that I dig the US because it's my home. You could loosely call me patriotic in that I was in the military (because at the time it was my best option) and that I realize that ultimately, my mind is somewhat fashioned from my culture. I'm not itching to die for anyone - but I might risk my life to save yours. It's not because I'm patriotic, it's because I'm a noble fucking creature brother. I might risk my life to save my brother's. I don't limit my sense of family to my family. I limit it to those with whom I relate to (which can be viewed as 'those whom I'm related to' in a sense from my perspective). I never have. It's just who I have always been.

/LMAO. Lying punk!

Please, stop calling me a liar. I'm not. I despise liars.

/It only matters who the fuck you are. Why not take a damn plane to India then?

Because I'm comfortable with my home and I dig my life.

/Didn't anyone tell you that belief outside evidence is the human's supreme way of denial?

LOL. In a sense you're correct but that perspective is not valid from mine. It's a matter of attitude and how I am able to see. I simply don't expect that behavior from her and really really HOPE that I am right. I understand and accept the reality though that I might not be. Can you see a difference?

/Then why assert otherwise?

I merely hope.

/Even when your real brain starts to function, you push it away!

This is merely your lack of comprehension making you talk shit.

/Eh? Denial while writing? Subconscious or conscious denial? Wow, you are a brilliant specimem Wes.

Man you are a real piece of work. You make the claim bro but you don't back it up. BACK IT UP. You can't. Dude, ack. You don't know what you think you know because you don't know ME. I AM a brilliant specimen, but as in I see beyond the fucking experiment.

/Evading the question to reaffirm what society tells you to think.

You are guilty of this. Hehe, I'm an integrated part of society you ass. I am not separate from it but simultaneously I'm no mindles fucking drone. Ack. Back your shit up or shut the fuck up. You should realize, ASS, that you are simply unqualified to make the assertions that you are making as you're attempting to fit me to some silly model you think is valid. I say fuck your model, mine is better. You could at least check it out, but instead you insist that yours is correct regardless.

/Otherwise, the sacrifices you make will seem insane like they really are!

What exactly am I sacrificing? I do what I do by choice and momentum. I sincerely dig my life. Sorry if you don't, but dragging your bullshit onto my lawn and telling me it's mine is kind of uh.. typical, don't you think? I would expect more from the likes of YOU. If it helps, when I was your age I was a lot more like you than me now.

/See? Again!

You can't be serious. Dude, my kids are 3 and 1. If you haven't noticed - kids that age love the SHIT out of their parents. It's the nature of the beast.

/Why are you asking me? What relevenace to topic?

HEHE. Now THAT is funny. You don't even see the relevance of evidence that fully refutes your claims? Convenient. Fact is: I'm in acceptance of the fragility and fuckedupedness and I embrace if fully. I hope to avoid what I consider bad and revel in what I see is good. It's pretty simple but you think I have to fit into your model. I don't, sorry for you. I don't deny that my girls might not love me some day. I hope to the contrary but realize that love is somewhat of an illusion, made real by only biology and attitude. My attitude makes it real to me. I understand impermanence. Am I in denial if I realize it but don't obsess about it? Certain things are inevitable like; change.

/See?

I see that you're a crackhead, yes. I believe it is YOU (capital letter just for YOU) who is in total denial in that you are buying all of this denial crap about everyone. Denial is not inevitable, it's default. It can be escaped through a life spent in pursuance of understanding. I have spent mine accordingly and will continue as long as I am able and so motivated.

/My denial? Why do you have to put in capital letters to affirm to yourself man? Damn!

Man you're a prick. Hehe. No, I put it in capital letter for YOUR benefit and the benefit of potential readers. It's like pointing a finger with letters. Mostly for dramatic effect. I like it.

/Half is 50%. The first 50% was not a sentence man. :eek:

Okay that's juvenile and ignorant. Half can also be when you present two points and are referring to the first one. For chrissake man what is wrong with you?

/He, he. The man tries to be sane and faces a block again! I see hope though.

What a smug prick.

/You have just tried to rationlize a very very illogical thing! If it is hot outside and you must go out--which you reallyshouldn't, then go fucking naked. That's it. Finito.

No, you have just over-simplified a somewhat complicated thing. You see it's a matter of perspective. I'm privvy to my own and haven an understanding of what it is to be human, etc as explained above.

/Blind faith, fool.

If you think me a fool then why do YOU (hehe) bother? What's in it for you? Blah blah. Stop attempting to assasinate my fucking intellect and start understanding that you are doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing and blaming me for you having done it. It's sick.

/It is taught to you at an early age through many many stimuli. Blind faith is denial that the psyche won't feel so repressed about.

What crock. BLIND FAITH is blind. I am not. Sure it's taught to you as a kid in a sense but only in that you do not have the capacity to comprehend the scope of concepts as they exist in adulthood. Once you somewhat mature the responsibility shifts to the individual. Bah, I'm wearing thin. *snore*

/Escape the from the lies man! By every scientific "psychobabble" you go by, I just freaking did!

Bullshit, you only justified your bullshit to yourself. I've been where your bullshit is and found it to be short-sighted. It's overly simplistic and spun to the nihilistic. You are trying to apply principles to me that I have overcome for the most part as I spoke of before. None of your analysis here about me has been even remotely correct. I do have issues that border on denial, but they are not pervasive. Again, denial is the default and CAN be overcome. Again - consider the implications of deciding that denial is inescapable. Mind you, it's a decision - not a given as you seem so convinced. If you choose to consciously limit yourself feel free but to hold everyone else accountable to exactly that which you prescribe for yourself is well, hehe exactly a prescription for denial. You cannot escape it if you think you cannot escape it - duh.

/Good, at least you are beginning to understand, but not really!

Man, people used to offer a tad of respect for experience. You should learn something from a man who's been through this. Or not, it's up to you I suppose. I'm not preaching, I'm asking that you consider the possibility that I've thought through and beyond this.

/You are lying to yourself to make you think that you are really open but you are not! Why do you think such phrases exist in the first place man?

Dude I'm WAY ahead of you.

/Everything I just posted!

You'll have to do better than that.

/Because you human goddamn it! It is an instrinsic part of your being.

Bullshit. Just because you think it so? It is NOT an instinsic part of my being in the context you think it is.

/By being part of society, the first prize you pay is your sanity!

That's just silly. No time to elaborate. Hungry punkins!

/Plus because I am human too damnit. I am also insane!

I'll go with that, but you show signs of potential.

Originally posted by AleinAllei
um well why shouldnt we be treated like sex objects ? ! thats b/c SOME of us are way more then that ! and SOME of us dont want to be treated like something that is only not even half of what we really ARE !! so theres my answer!

Do you think that because you expect not to be treated like one, you won't be? Do you think that it would be wise to deal with it instead of expecting something you know to be incorrect? It is wiser to understand and accept it. Your choice of reaction is up to you obviously.

One only wonders if someone like this:

Wes: I'll admit that I'd stick it into thing remotely found attractive to me (given the mutual desire). I've already done so (admitted it) on numerous occasions. You may not have known that, but I'd think you'd give a fucker just a tad of credit. Ack. Stop it.
Or this:
I have felt the same way but when a hottie walked by I forgot about what I was thinking and started thinking about getting laid
…. has any business putting up threads looking his fucking nose down on ‘depravity’. You need lessons in labels, Wes.

And for this:
If I thought she'd cheat she wouldn't be my wife, der. hehe.

I could fucking slap the shit out of you and put you in chains. Swine.

You don't LOSE well do you Gendy? What lack of grace. Not cute.

But chuncky, pretentious married men are way cuter. Short of taking a detour and calling the whole package a pompous asshole, of course.

Word of advice for the married man with way too much time on his hands: Its in America that sex is an obsession where in most other parts of the world it’s a motherfucking fact. The married American man just seems to take it to points past fucking parody. Here’s a toast to Ms. Deitrech.

And by the way…….
She called me a catholic, that's fucked up
I did not call you a Catholic. I said something about your looking your fucking nose down on * snicker * depravity *snort * was very Catholic of you. There’s a huge gap between actually calling one a Catholic and pointing out the symptoms, my dear.

And I did explain what I meant by it so don’t accuse me of namecalling and scampering away without explaining. I don’t do drive-bys.

"Fucker".

Moementum:
P.S. Hey Gen,are you a guy or girl?
Think titties and nail polish.

Woe is me…….I’m a "chick."

Xev:

Learn some reading skills, bucko.

Oh yes. He should…but first he’s got to master the grade-school art of knowing what its is that you’re writing as you’re writing it. Don’t want it to come back and stick your foot in your mouth.

/You need lessons in labels, Wes.

Can you see I'm really interested in the duality? YOU ARE A SEX OBJECT. You are also an intelligent female with a lot of interesting ideas. These things are somewhat opposed to each other. And you bastards give ME shit about reading comprehension. Sheez. I always got over 99% on my Iowa basic skills tests in gradeschool. :p eheh.

/I could fucking slap the shit out of you and put you in chains. Swine.

How is stating a simple statement of logic so offensive? In all likelihood I wouldn't marry someone I suspect would be sleeping around and lying to me about it. Fact.

How do you not recognize that I am both? I am both disgusted by it and infatuated with it and think it's wonderful at the same time. I'd swear I've said it a gazillion times by now. Maybe only a few.

/But chuncky, pretentious married men are way cuter.

Oh stop. :) Netsexing is so passe`. LOL

Pretentious? You're the pot calling the kettle black dear.

/Short of taking a detour and calling the whole package a pompous asshole, of course.

Hehe, now I'm pompous? I prefer to think of it as "hyper-intelligent" but you know, it never pans out for me. "Brilliant" is as much as I can really justify. LOL Okay whatever I'll shutup.

/Word of advice for the married man with way too much time on his hands: Its in America that sex is an obsession where in most other parts of the world it’s a motherfucking fact.

True and part of my annoyance. How is it that this is advice?

/The married American man just seems to take it to points past fucking parody.

So you stereotype me mercilessley eh? As you must I suppose.

/Here’s a toast to Ms. Deitrech.

Don't know her,.

/And by the way…….

/I did not call you a Catholic. I said something about your looking your fucking nose down on * snicker * depravity *snort * was very Catholic of you.

Well, that was nasty in my eyes either way. Yeah but you were wrong, it wasn't. It was very human. I'm just talking about the esoteric vs. the biological well you know, the gooey squishiness of it all. It's HOT but at the same time kind of gross depending on how if I happen to think of it that way at a given time. Eh.

/There’s a huge gap between actually calling one a Catholic and pointing out the symptoms, my dear.

Yeah, there can be but it seemed to me otherwise at the time. I appreciate your correction. I would prefer to minimize future seething.

/And I did explain what I meant by it so don’t accuse me of namecalling and scampering away without explaining. I don’t do drive-bys.

Yes you DID explain eventually and I said I appreciated it. If not, I say it again: thanks.

/"Fucker".

Ah the love. Stop gushing you girlie girl.

Wes:
Ah the love. Stop gushing you girlie girl
Your mother.

Kidding.

I would have never replied again to this............inanity.....but my interest has suddenly flared for questionable reasons.

I said this:
"I could fucking slap the shit out of you and put you in chains. Swine.


Because you said this:
I'll admit that I'd stick it into thing remotely found attractive to me (given the mutual desire). I've already done so (admitted it) on numerous occasions.

The assumption is that you've cheated on wifey boo on numerous occasions. Yes? If this is not what that meant, then slapping the shit out of you will have to be for something else.

and btw- don't pot me any fucking kettles, friend. You seem to be that brand of 'pretentious" which is wrinkling the nose on 'depravity' when said disgust for sexuality is so obviously juxtaposed with obessions with it. Annoying.

My being fucking fantastico is another brand entirely.

/The assumption is that you've cheated on wifey boo on numerous occasions. Yes? If this is not what that meant, then slapping the shit out of you will have to be for something else.

I'm no cheater. You're talking to an honest man. I'm literally teh most honest person I know. I know a few others who are of similar ilk. Read it with the parenthesis again there. I said "i've admitted i'd stick it in anything remotely attractive' more than once. What I mean is in principle. I don't stick it into anything without the wifey being okay with it.

/and btw- don't pot me any fucking kettles, friend. You seem to be that brand of 'pretentious" which is wrinkling the nose on 'depravity' when said disgust for sexuality is so obviously juxtaposed with obessions with it. Annoying.

I never really saw that as pretentious. It's more "confused" or "somewhat perplexed" or something but whatever.

I agree. It's annoying. That's what I'm talking about. Can't you see? That's basically the gist!

/My being fucking fantastico is another brand entirely.

Huh? Brand? Are you in distribution? What fine retail estblishment might I purchase you at? :)

wesmorris:
I refuse. Well, I was insulted at your accusation and that tainted my interpretation. I can see how you might not have meant it that way but when I re-read it I still see both.

Goddamn. Here's a fucking hankie.

Oh on, try it. It's choco-flavored! I've got flavor options is you prefer, more of a strawberry girl? We could hook dat up. Work with me.

Please at least feign intelligence.

LOL, hehe.. NOW you're sensitive?

I never claimed sensitivity. I find it annoying.

Oh take a fucking joke. With all the venom you spew you take offense to 'bitches', how choice.

I don't "spew venom". And while I am unremittently vulgar, I don't feel a need to prove my femininity by constantly referring to the opposite sex with demeaning epithets.
There is every difference between my vulgarity and intolerence for stupidity and your uncouth stupidity. Just as there is every difference between showing disrespect to a person because they are stupid and showing disrespect to a person because they are of such and such a gender or ethnicity.

Clear enough?

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!! You do that shit on purpose. The smiley or LOL or HEHE or whatever was invented to convey jokstering. I'm not saying you weren't joking, but how is one to know from such a vitriolic bastard?!?! You LOVE that you can play it either way by excluding the smiley, don't lie.

No, I simply don't post as if I was in an AOL chatroom.

gendanken:
I could fucking slap the shit out of you and put you in chains. Swine.

Doesn't one normally reserve such treatment for men who do not make one wish to vomit?
I believe a simple shot to the back to the head would suffice for the rest.

Fascinating thread, Wes. I told you that you were a dickhead long ago, and now it's finally registering? WTF? :D

/Goddamn. Here's a fucking hankie.

No thanks.

/Please at least feign intelligence.

No need.

/I never claimed sensitivity. I find it annoying.

I find your distant arrogance similarly annoying.

/And while I am unremittently vulgar, I don't feel a need to prove my femininity by constantly referring to the opposite sex with demeaning epithets.

Good for you.

/There is every difference between my vulgarity and intolerence for stupidity and your uncouth stupidity.

You don't like my sense of humor? I'd rather you did but it's too late. I'm locked in.

/Just as there is every difference between showing disrespect to a person because they are stupid and showing disrespect to a person because they are of such and such a gender or ethnicity.

Okay, but who has been disrespected? I do not respect your gender Xev. I do not respect my own. I do not respect white people. I do not respect black people. I respect some people, regardless of gender or race. Little is off limits for humor and it is situationally dependant as to what might be. Seems from your comments below you'd rather settle your lack of comprehension with a bullet, how sophisticated.

/No, I simply don't post as if I was in an AOL chatroom.

I can only imagine the hideous beast within as I've never ventured there. Scary. But you seem to revel in an apparent sense of superiority when yoru point isn't communicated.

/Doesn't one normally reserve such treatment for men who do not make one wish to vomit?

How respectful. Now you call me stupid?

/I believe a simple shot to the back to the head would suffice for the rest.

And now you casually imply I should be shot in the head? That makes me sick Xev. What makes your sorry ass think that you are worth pleasing?

Oh wait? You're just kidding? ahahahahaahahaehehahehaeha.

Very amusing.

Originally posted by wesmorris
No think about it, you are. To yourself, to others and in other more abstract manners. (and I would think it obvious that I don't mean that it is all you are).

So why shouldn't you be treated like one?You're missing the point here Wes. The problem is not thinking about sex with another person; the problem is the objectification of another human being. You even reject your assertion with the apologetic 'I don't mean that it is all you are.' which is a recognition that no person's sole function is a repository for your dick. IMO, you have effectively refuted your own assertion.

Granting however, that there are people who think of others in this manner there is no more reason to accept their opinion or their biased treatment that there is to accept any other type of bigotry. Rather, it is an evil twist of ignorance and insecurity that should be stomped into the ground.

~Raithere

/You're missing the point here Wes. The problem is not thinking about sex with another person; the problem is the objectification of another human being. You even reject your assertion with the apologetic 'I don't mean that it is all you are.' which is a recognition that no person's sole function is a repository for your dick. IMO, you have effectively refuted your own assertion.

Raith, I'm getting a little tired of people talking down to me so I'm gonna ask that you reconsider that I might not miss my own fucking point. This is the very connudrum that somewhat interests me. Why is it that everyone simply assumes I'm making stupid assertions. The POINT Raith, is that you ARE A FUCKING SEX OBJECT and you're more than that too, regardless of whether or not I think you are - or you think you are or how you expect to be treated or whatever. I think that's interesting so I want to talk about it. Seems like everyone decides they should attempt to psycho analyze me. The last person I expected it from is you.

/Granting however, that there are people who think of others in this manner there is no more reason to accept their opinion or their biased treatment that there is to accept any other type of bigotry.

I don't understand how everyone misses the point and then accuses ME of missing it. Raith, this is part of life. You can pretend to be segragate from it but it doesn't go away. You are a human animal and as such are forced into the dual role of thinker and fucker. You like to pretend you're above it. You're lying to yourself or you'd never have sex.

I don't mean you are necessarily permanently consumed by it. I simply mean that at least to some degree you cannot escape it. Further, I don't see it as this demeaning thing that you seem to think of it as. It's perfectly natural to be the object of sexual desires. Pull your head out of the sand.

/Rather, it is an evil twist of ignorance and insecurity that should be stomped into the ground.

LOL. What a joke man. So you simply reject this aspect of humanity and think it will go away? You think it should be squashed? It's part of the deal. If I desire you sexually, you qualify as a sex object to me. That may be just a smidge of the whole thing, but there is no avoiding that if you engage in sex with someone, or even think of it - they become an apparatus of sort.

Originally posted by wesmorris
If I desire you sexually, you qualify as a sex object to me. That may be just a smidge of the whole thing, but there is no avoiding that if you engage in sex with someone, or even think of it - they become an apparatus of sort.Didn't mean to offend you buddy but here's where I think you are wrong. The term referrers to a mind-set that objectifies people, that dis-considers that they are individuals with a broader range of capacity than merely being implements for our own satisfaction. As this is never the entirety of any individual it is quite simply incorrect even considering that a component of our interaction with them is indeed the satisfaction of sexual desire. The difference is that their ability to satisfy this desire is only a small piece of the whole. One might likewise view people as intellectual objects where their only function is to satisfy intellectual needs. Here on sciforums, we do indeed play that role but would you ever consider that this is the limit of anyone of this board?

~Raithere

/Didn't mean to offend you buddy but here's where I think you are wrong.

Heh, this is a little like trying to explain what a athiest is to someone who has never heard of epistemology. You may think I' m wrong but that does not change that regardless of whatever else you are regarding sex there is one thing that is irrefutable: you are an physical tool by which gratification can be attained. In every sexual interaction you undertake, that is a component of the interaction on some level.

Please illustrate how that is inacurate.

/The term referrers to a mind-set that objectifies people, that dis-considers that they are individuals with a broader range of capacity than merely being implements for our own satisfaction.

I know that's the typical usage hence the draw - it's catchy. But that is a description of an severe case of objectification as in someone losing sight of someone elses worth and value separate from their capacity for gratification as an apparatus. That can happen, but it's really only part of the issue. I'm contending that you cannot say that if I fuck you, you weren't a fucking object. Further, pure physical attraction has a lot to do with this. See what I mean? Tell me you've ever thought "nice ass" and are completely innocent of objectification and I'll call you a liar. That's what I mean, the fact that objectification is a component of the interaction is inescapable or you'd never have sex. It seems pretty simple to me.

/As this is never the entirety of any individual it is quite simply incorrect even considering that a component of our interaction with them is indeed the satisfaction of sexual desire.

How is talking about a component of interaction incorrect? It's unfair to discuss aspects of sexuality? I find this one somewhat disturbingly interesting.

/The difference is that their ability to satisfy this desire is only a small piece of the whole.

I think that the difference is relevance. If you see someone that you really find physically attractive, your relative amount of objectification becomes relevant. I might hypothesize you are ignoring things you don't like to think about. I might further hypothesize that your denial of it does not nullify it.

/One might likewise view people as intellectual objects where their only function is to satisfy intellectual needs.

Certainly. Maybe I should start a thread "you are an intellectual whore" or something. :D

/Here on sciforums, we do indeed play that role but would you ever consider that this is the limit of anyone of this board?

Of course not Raith, I don't ever consider it the limit of someone I find attractive either, but it's sure as shit a component. I'm not real comfortable with that all the time (most of the time I'm okay with it) but that doesn't mean it's not true.

It is the same though with our interactions on sciforums in that underlying every interaction is pure utilitarianism. Though I like you for more than your purposes as an intellectual tool for me, the fact that you are is a large part of the draw.

Wes,
LOL. I shall get back to you.

wesmorris:
No need.

Then continue to make yourself ridiculous to anyone who does not realize that being a "nice, funny guy whom we like" does not qualify you as being smart - simply as a cocksucker.

You don't like my sense of humor? I'd rather you did but it's too late. I'm locked in.

Sorry wessie boy, but that don't fly. I can't sneer at the niggers, then claim "JOKING!" to anyone who calls me on the "nigger" part. In the same vein, I don't complain that the "gooks" in class are breaking the test curve, then yell "but I'm joking!" if I'm called on it.

Okay, but who has been disrespected? I do not respect your gender Xev. I do not respect my own. I do not respect white people. I do not respect black people. I respect some people, regardless of gender or race. Little is off limits for humor and it is situationally dependant as to what might be. Seems from your comments below you'd rather settle your lack of comprehension with a bullet, how sophisticated.

Again, there's is a difference between not respecting "black people" and using epithets like "nigger" to refer to them.

Again, I don't moralize, I simply find it annoying when overabundant.

And yes, I do appear to be superiour to you. This is because I am.
Then, so are most.

How respectful. Now you call me stupid?

I've made it abundently clear that I find you to be intellectually lacking.

And now you casually imply I should be shot in the head? That makes me sick Xev. What makes your sorry ass think that you are worth pleasing?

You? Oh, no. Bludgeoning would be more in line.

/Then continue to make yourself ridiculous to anyone who does not realize that being a "nice, funny guy whom we like" does not qualify you as being smart - simply as a cocksucker.

Xev, if you think I'm ridiculous - so be it. I like you but I am ME so I don't have a lot of choice in appearing however it is that your hatefull ass thinks I appear.

/Sorry wessie boy, but that don't fly. I can't sneer at the niggers, then claim "JOKING!" to anyone who calls me on the "nigger" part. In the same vein, I don't complain that the "gooks" in class are breaking the test curve, then yell "but I'm joking!" if I'm called on it.

Your superior, hatefull ass seems to have a difficult time differentiating between stereotyping and making fun of stereotypes. You should try using your brain. Is there a difference for you (of course I mean between your ass and your brain)?

Ah, but if it's known that you're a nice, funny guy - you CAN. The intention is the thing. Yours is clear. (it's funny to me that you claim to be so enlighted and yet give such power to silly words like bitch or related crap, half of the reason I enjoy jacking with words like that is to bother uptight people who empower words beyond the implied intent)

/Again, I don't moralize, I simply find it annoying when overabundant.

So I should check with you to see if I've exceeded my quota? Thanks, I'll remember that. Please, remain annoyed. I appreciate the power you offer me, bitch. Hehe.

/And yes, I do appear to be superiour to you. This is because I am.

LOL. You mean like, you've got bigger titties? Is it because of your period? Maybe you've fucked more people than me? Oh - you think you're smarter? As you wish Xev. Think on thinking thinker.

/Then, so are most.

Ah ha. Ha ha. That's silly.

/I've made it abundently clear that I find you to be intellectually lacking.

Yeah, but how is it that you think that opinion to be of such merit? I won't try to elevate the shit-talking because in that capacity, you are indeed far superior. Since that's your talent I can see that this must be how you judge intellect. No wonder you find me lacking.

/You? Oh, no. Bludgeoning would be more in line.

Ah the cruelty. How intellectual?

Nkwasiasem:D

Have you considered potential semantic issues? I'm not insane, I'm human. I accept that to my core. I take responsibility for it, regardless of whether or not I volunteered.
Ok. So what? This has nothing to do with what I said.

You're just demonstrating that you haven't had a good job. When you love your job, it's not work - for real. It's a responsibility, but it's part of you if you accept it. That's not denial, it's maturity.
You are simply showing me that, one, you are assuming something very untrue about me; two, you are evading the statement and asserting something--maturity and responsibility, which are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Man does not want to work. Society makes man want to, or have to work. This has nothing to do with maturity or accepting responsibility.

Hehe, you've confused your angst-ridden youthful comprehension for a point.
Assuming that I am indeed an 'angst-ridden youth', what other lens could I possibly use to view?

MIND is maleable. Truth is difficult to regarding issues of what one "likes" and "dislikes". Attitude over time reconfigures the mind. To call that 'bullshit' is a highly debatable issue.
It is not debatable for I am talking of mankind as a whole and the instinctive or innate nature of mankind. That transcends any social layers and disallows any 'debate' about likes and dislikes.

I know what you're driving and and you know I just like to give you hell
That's good. I like to give you hell too.

Of course no human likes to work if they can't find the reward in it. But have you considered the very real possibility that there IS reward in it? I'm not a blue collar dude, I'm a management type and I earnestly enjoy the virtually evolutionary experience of attempting to modify a company such that it is fit for economic survival. It's fucking cool. I find it a noble and simultaneously selfish endeavor.
I will ignore that you inserted I am not a 'blue collar" bla bla, and spare you the reason why you I think you mentioned it. You state that you "enjoy" the "virtually revolutionary experience" of modifying a company so it can survive. Huh? You have not, I repeat, NOT explained the reward besides placed two flashy adjectives before "experience". Enjoy is joy is an emotion triggered by chemical releases to certain stimuli. Now try again to explain the reward that you call joyful and see if that joy is not mistaken.

Wrong brother. I cannot harm people intentionally. I just can't. I've been that way since I was a little kid. Sure I can let my temper flare and beat senselessly upon your skull, but wow - how primal. I'm certainly an animal, but I'm an animal with a gift. That's no bullshit. I'm the most earnest, well meaning motherfucker you know of. There are others like me, but most dabble in denial. I have no need. I can accept that horrible shit can happen at any time. I try to keep an eye out for that kind of thing.
What in the hell are you talking about? You say you cannot harm people intentionally but then claim the ability to 'beat senselessly upon' my ‘skull’ (which in reality, you cannot, unless I'm immobile :D), do you not see the contradiction in that? So of course it is bullshit. What does you being honest have to do with the fact that you are shaped by denial and lies by virtue of being in society? Why do you even think it good to not want to hurt someone intentionally if they have a pretty mate you want? Or a nice car? Why is it right for YOU to have to work for that object when you can "beat senselessly" upon their skull and collect that object?

Hehe, man you must really take me for a chump. Have you considered that I considered that? Have you considered that I have a 12 year jump on you? Have you considered that I might possibly have worked that shit out? You should consider if it's possible and contemplate the outcome if you decide to think that it's not.
I respect your 12 years jump and I believe you are intelligent, else I would not engage and seek continuous discussions with you. But see, that is outside the point. And no, in this instance I do not think you have 'worked it out'. Your amazing unwillingness to see yourself as inherently bad is annoying and surprising; you understand that you 'are a sex object' and see others as sex objects. You even insinuate that there really is nothing wrong with people treating them that way. You are also vehement in your defense of those assertions when certain female members in here seem to take offense to your statements. You act in ways you deny to act in. Yes, repressed psyche, denial, whatever you want to call it, it is very evident.

Hehe, who's repressed problems are revealing themselves? LOL. Brother, I do. I'm on a quest to understand. I think I have a gift. I'm okay with it if it's just a fallacy. I'm human. I have a lot of experienced evidence that my gift is real. This feeds my ego. My ego tells me - pursue this shit because you're onto something. I DO want to expand my understanding. This in turn expands my mind. You simply are naive to tell me you think you know more about me than I do.
See the fallacy? No? I will explain: To feed your ego, that which will deflate that ego cannot, and will not be accepted. And what gift is it that you have? Why must you keep referring to this "gift'? What makes you think I know more about you than you do? I am saying it is obvious that you are denial, as you must be for you are human and in society. I am also saying, and have presented examples of this behaviour in your posts, societal derived being.

That's silly bro. How do you think you know? Man, presumption on a grand scale. Who is responsible for my delusionment? Whose ass might I kick to make up for it? I take responsibility. Don't blame me for YOUR short-comings in comprehension.
LMAO. You took that statement literally. It means in reality, you want to feed your ego.

You are doing that and blaming me for it. Take some fucking reponsibility.
Of course I am doing it, and of course I am taking responsibility. What freaking difference or relevance?

No, truth and acceptance of fallability (regarding expectations) with a dash of hope.
What? Denail.

No, you are really brainwashed if you think I'm brainwashed. I've been on all sides of the argument until within the last few years I've come to realize what I've mentioned. How is it that you think your assessment of me more valid than my assessment of me? You think I'm too stupid to see through my own bullshit? Hehe, dude - gimme a break. This is my fucking forte. Could you at least CONSIDER the possibility that my words have merit or you think it's smarter to just write them off to your simplistic phychoanalytical bullshit. I suppose it's obvious you've made your choice. It's a shame though, because I would not bullshit you (except under extreme duress).
LMAO. I am not psychoanalyzing you. This is because I do not know psychoanalysis. Your forte is to bullshit, or your forte is to realize your understanding of your argument, or to see through other's bullshit. Which one(s)? Of course some of your words have merit, I as already said. But what fucking relevance?? And again, why do you think it important to mention your experience, gift, etc? It is irrelevant! You could be 100 and have debated on a zillion forums. You have to live by denial to survive within a society that accepts the notion of a common good or morality or whatever the fuck bullshit I have already mentioned. Some see this and understand this. Some even deny this. You are part of the latter.

Hehe, you think my position is so simple? LOL. What does dying for you country have to do with it? Dude, ack. You are looking at it from a perscrition you've formed for yourself. The fact remains that I dig the US because it's my home. You could loosely call me patriotic in that I was in the military (because at the time it was my best option) and that I realize that ultimately, my mind is somewhat fashioned from my culture. I'm not itching to die for anyone - but I might risk my life to save yours. It's not because I'm patriotic, it's because I'm a noble fucking creature brother. I might risk my life to save my brother's. I don't limit my sense of family to my family. I limit it to those with whom I relate to (which can be viewed as 'those whom I'm related to' in a sense from my perspective). I never have. It's just who I have always been.
That, Wesmorris, was not descriptive of you, else I would have used Wes instead of Bobby for the name. It was an anecdote to clarify my stance. Either way lets go with the flow. You state that you are a noble creature, which is of course false for you human, but lets move on. You state that you extend your sense of family beyond your immediate family--this in response to patriotism. You next mention that this extenuation is from your perspective. But it cannot be from your perspective for it is patriotism is nationalism and nationalism is taught. From your earlier statements in WE&P I assume you would fight in a war for your country if your country were at war--even if not