25th Inf. Div. soldier cradels a Iraqi girl injured in car bombing, the girl later died.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/21/business/iraqbloggerb.600.jpg


Picture Documentary: US Troops Caught Torturing Iraqi Kids

http://stupidjuice.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/united_states_troops_with_iraqi_children_04.jpg


http://theredhunter.com/images/iraq1.jpeg

If it upsets them to see dead babies, they shouldn't shoot that direction.

Picture Documentary: US Troops Caught Torturing Iraqi Kids

http://stupidjuice.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/united_states_troops_with_iraqi_children_09.jpg

http://jackhole.net/wp-content/photos/image005.jpg

The irony is that Buffalo Roam will turn around and accuse others of propaganda and spin. http://hfboards.com/images/smilies/rolleyes1.gif

If it upsets them to see dead babies, they shouldn't shoot that direction.


25th Inf. Div. soldier cradels a Iraqi girl injured in car bombing, the girl later died.

Buffilo where do those pitures come from?
If you want to use them to convince people that they are proof that US solders love iraqies and iraqies love US solders then you atleast need to link it.

Also those pitures dont prove anything any more than SAM posting a piture of a dead child in a mans arm proves who did it or when it happend or that it means US solders are killing everyone they walk across

GI Falls Asleep On Duty While Using Iraqi Child As Body Armor


http://www.touchofhomeformilitary.com/think_about/img/embrace.jpg

Good thread, Buffalo.

Australian monsters at work:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/conjoined-twins-separation-begins/2008/01/14/1200159338729.html

Two orphaned one-year-old girls conjoined at the head have survived the first stage of complex surgery in Melbourne to separate them.

Twin one-year-old girls Trishna and Krishna were rescued from an orphanage in Bangladesh and brought to Australia for life-saving surgery.

They are recovering in intensive care at the Royal Children's Hospital after the first operation, which was carried out last week.

Without separation the pair will die of heart failure within months. But even with intervention there is a one in four chance they will not survive.

The surgery is likely to receive international attention as it is extremely rare and complex. There have been only 41 similar cases in the world since 1950 — only five of which were performed on children.

While the girls have separate brains they are joined by veins which drain blood from the brain to the heart. The join is causing blood to flow from one child to the other, and the smaller of the two is already suffering heart failure as a result.

The girls were brought to Australia by the Children First Foundation, who have secured $250,000 in donations to fund the surgery and now seek a further $150,000 for their recovery.

Makes me wonder why these orphans weren't dumped on one of Bangladesh's neighbours instead *cough* India *cough*.

Buffilo where do those pitures come from?
If you want to use them to convince people that they are proof that US solders love iraqies and iraqies love US solders then you atleast need to link it.

Also those pitures dont prove anything any more than SAM posting a piture of a dead child in a mans arm proves who did it or when it happend or that it means US solders are killing everyone they walk across

My aren't we the clinical one, just look for them, they are out there.

Hell I never owned a computer until 2 years ago, and I can find thousands of pictures like these, I can find thousands of articles on Iraqi and middle eastern children brought to the U.S. for treatment of diseases, congenital defects, and wounds suffered by them from Terrorists Action and our actions, and anybody elses actions.

Iraqi's Grateful That American Forces Did Not Open Fire During Soccer Game.



http://www.touchofhomeformilitary.com/think_about/img/ungrateful.jpg

Good thread, Buffalo.

..for those with a room-temperature IQ, maybe.

Good thread, Buffalo.

Australian monsters at work:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/conjoined-twins-separation-begins/2008/01/14/1200159338729.html


Makes me wonder why these orphans weren't dumped on one of Bangladesh's neighbours instead *cough* India *cough*.


Yes, aren't we really some cold blooded bastards though.

the reason these cases are done at the Royal childrens is because its the best childrens hospital in the southen hemisphear. Australia has some of the best hospitals in the world. Thats why so many pts were brought to australia after the tsnarmie. Still dont get how this thread proves ANYTHING about anything

oh and being called clinical is not an insult to me you know. Its actually one of the highest complements i have ever been paid so thank you:)

Still dont get how this thread proves ANYTHING about anything


Really? and just where are the cases coming from and where are they going to, and guess who picks up the tab, the west, not the states of Islam.

Many of the cases are Troops getting the care for these kids, getting them to the U.S., Australia, Europe, and the Troops donating the funds for travel, and arranging the donations from the charity to pay for all of this.

Trying desperately to help, and not looking for another excuse to hate and kill as seems to be the case with S.A.M.

oh and being called clinical is not an insult to me you know. Its actually one of the highest complements i have ever been paid so thank you:)

Wasn't trying to insult you, if I want to do that you will know it.

In Vietnam, we provided fantastic amounts of aid in order to try and win "hearts and minds". No doubt, we did help some people, provide homes and care for orphans, many great things. But in the end, we did far more harm than good. It's a bit like the joke, "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

A new WPO poll of the Iraqi public finds that seven in ten Iraqis want U.S.-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year. An overwhelming majority believes that the U.S. military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing and there is growing confidence in the Iraqi army.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brmiddleeastnafricara/250.php?lb=brusc&pnt=250&nid=&id=

Yeah, Iraqi children are getting better medical care from the U.S. than U.S. children are.

no i dont belive this, just playing devils advocate here


ok, so if we give the benifit of the doubt to you and say that they didnt pose for the pitures and then shoot them, how does 7 solders doing the right thing not mean that there arnt 7 solders shooting everyone in site?

How many solders do you have in iraq?
how many charges have been brought?
either you have the worlds best recruiting techneques (sorry thats just impossable concidering how desprate the defence force is for recruite) or the DF is delbratly covering up cases of abuse.

Even if you take the same statistics as WW2 how many cases of abuse came out?

I am having trouble finding articals i need because everytime you put abuse into a search engine it comes up with articals on Abu Ghraib.

I am not talking about strategic or political decisions here, i mean actual cases like "hey ive got a gun, you people killed jack so take this" and I kill every civilan in site

MetaKron that is a sad inditement on the US health care system (and yes i MEAN this post)

Hercules:

..for those with a room-temperature IQ, maybe.


You're right.

Americans, and the West in general, are like the Borg. Heartless bastards who just like to kill, smash, maim and pillage.

Hercules:


You're right.

Americans, and the West in general, are like the Borg. Heartless bastards who just like to kill, smash, maim and pillage.

It's a living.

I love these kinds of posts, they remind me to remind people that people have blamed America for everything and anything for completely different reasons throughout the past several decades, the flavor of the decade this time is Iraq with a sprinkling of good ol' vietnam-era "babykiller" accusations. The intelligent americans don't bother fighting this never-ending trend, and the dumb ones perform counter-propaganda, like posting pics of Americans nuzzling Iraqi children, just like most soldiers of ANY nationality would do in a similar situation.

As an American, I really am sorry that we constantly have to choose between a dick and an ass every 4 years, but cut us some slack, most of us are in fact decent human beings. Give us a rest so we don't need to pretend to be Canadian when we travel to certain countries :(

Yep, I wish people could oppose imperialism without engaging in hyperbole by stereotyping the occupier, the people of the occupying country, and anyone who shares a similar demographic/skin complexion, as a faceless bunch of bloodthirsty monsters.

this is all a famous hold-the-baby act

dont forget its always easy to make soldiers look like murderers. nobody wanna see pictures of the good american soldier because its get harder to justify anti american terror.

this is all a famous hold-the-baby act

Kissing hands and shaking babies is the way to go.

Kissing hands and shaking babies is the way to go.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/07/14/weekpix/060713_bush2.jpg

http://www.thegreatbeyond.net/images/HitlerBaby.jpg

Yep, I wish people could oppose imperialism without engaging in hyperbole by stereotyping the occupier, the people of the occupying country, and anyone who shares a similar demographic/skin complexion, as a faceless bunch of bloodthirsty monsters.

LOL

The same way that ordinary Americans stereotype foreigners and "terrorists", Others do the same to the troops.

Its not the troops I'm worried about, Its the lawless contractors. The troops are young men and women, just trying to survive. It's their leaders to blame.

Challenger:

The same way that ordinary Americans stereotype foreigners and "terrorists", Others do the same to the troops.


Some Americans do the above, and I don't approve. Although I don't mind if people point out 'trends' in certain groups/cultures, as that's quite different from simply broadbrushing them.

The problem is that anti-West stereotyping seems to be tolerated (even supported) by the administration on sciforums, whereas criticism of 'the foreigners' is a punishable offense. Remember when Sandy infractioned saying that she 'wanted to puke' when illegal immigrants ruined her city, and thought 'it was lucky she didn't have a gun'.


Its not the troops I'm worried about, Its the lawless contractors. The troops are young men and women, just trying to survive. It's their leaders to blame.


I agree. That's why I find it a little crass to go asking a soldier 'How many people they killed'. Next certain members on this forum will be asking Iraqi vets "So, how many brown people did you rape?" It's a pity that shit like that is allowed to slide.

Nice pictures. Kill your family, then hug you. Awesome!

Oh look Stalin was such a sweetie

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/328574440_d06e3e5012.jpg

Awwwww!

Hitler was such a teddy bear!!!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/124/328509414_4665c2836b.jpg

Awwww!

Obviously they were misunderstood softies.

US forces fired on a civilian car in Tikrit, killing a three-year old boy and wounding six women and children as well as their male driver, Iraqi police and relatives have said.

Police said US soldiers based in Saddam Hussein's hometown, 175 km north of Baghdad, shot at the family's red car in the town last night.

"There was a family; four children, three women and their driver," an Iraqi police major said. "The US forces fired on them and all of them were injured. One child was killed."

A Reuters reporter at Tikrit hospital saw a US officer visiting the wounded in hospital.



But they hugged them after, so its all fine! :)

The abd al-Kerim family didn't have a chance. American soldiers opened fire on their car with no warning and at close quarters. They killed the father and three of the children, one of them only eight years old. Now only the mother, Anwar, and a 13-year-old daughter are alive to tell how the bullets tore through the windscreen and how they screamed for the Americans to stop.

"We never did anything to the Americans and they just killed us," the heavily pregnant Ms abd al-Kerim said. "We were calling out to them 'Stop, stop, we are a family', but they kept on shooting."



Same here. Hugs and kisses cure everything :)

FIVE members of the same Iraqi family, three of them children under the age of 4, were shot dead yesterday when US troops opened fire on their minivan outside a military base, fearing a suicide car bomb attack.

Its alright guys, everything is jusssssst fine!
/hugs

Post #31 was funny.

In all seriousness, though: of course there are great American soldiers. Unfortunately, their trigger-happy counterparts who patrol the streets drunk at night and shoot at innocent families catch my attention first.

Our troops are not a bunch of morons like some people try to make them out to be. Most of the killing in Iraq is being done by evil muslim terrorists.:mad:

When a car charges a security checkpoint, we are going to shoot at it. When it won't stop, we will shoot at it. When its driver defies law/order, we will try to stop him. The evil muslim terrorists are very sneaky and must be stopped. When they do stop and start behaving like civil /decent human beings, give peace a chance, and act normal--maybe then we will leave.

These are not all innocent victims here folks. Most of them caused their own demise.:( But playing the victim and blaming the bad Americans for all their faults is so much easier. :rolleyes:

Our troops are not a bunch of morons like some people try to make them out to be. Most of the killing in Iraq is being done by evil muslim terrorists.:mad:

When a car charges a security checkpoint, we are going to shoot at it. When it won't stop, we will shoot at it. When its driver defies law/order, we will try to stop him. The evil muslim terrorists are very sneaky and must be stopped. When they do stop and start behaving like civil /decent human beings, give peace a chance, and act normal--maybe then we will leave.

These are not all innocent victims here folks. Most of them caused their own demise.:( But playing the victim and blaming the bad Americans for all their faults is so much easier. :rolleyes:

Imagine you are in California, an Iraqi tank passes by with soldiers waving machine guns telling everyone to get inside their houses, shooting, raiding, trashing houses. Is this acceptable to you? Are the people who support this acceptable to you?

That is what is happening in Iraq. An unacceptable occupation.

Imagine you are in California, an Iraqi tank passes by with soldiers waving machine guns telling everyone to get inside their houses, shooting, raiding, trashing houses. Is this acceptable to you? Are the people who support this acceptable to you? That is what is happening in Iraq. An unacceptable occupation.

No, that's not what's happening in Iraq when the people behave. Why don't the terrorists just stop their vile behavior and let the rest of Iraq become a democracy like the people want?

We don't terrorize innocent Iraqis. The terrorists are doing that. We are trying to get the area under control so the people can have a normal life. The evil terrorists don't want that, though. They want to keep killing/ destroying. :(

Why do you suppose that is?

Imagine you are in California, an Iraqi tank passes by with soldiers waving machine guns telling everyone to get inside their houses, shooting, raiding, trashing houses. Is this acceptable to you? Are the people who support this acceptable to you?

That is what is happening in Iraq. An unacceptable occupation.
I think you need to get off the drugs for awhile and look at the big picture, Everyday Iraqi's blow themselves up at busy markets,...is that acceptable to you or is it a new tactic to fight your so called occupation?

I think you need to get off the drugs for awhile and look at the big picture, Everyday Iraqi's blow themselves up at busy markets,...is that acceptable to you or is it a new tactic to fight your so called occupation?

Blow themselves? You mean car bombs? Most of them are aimed at US troops.

And the news from "embedded" journalists?

Truth vs fiction

From the beginning of the American occupation in Iraq, air strikes and attacks by the U.S. military have only killed "militants," "criminals," "suspected insurgents," "IED [Improvised Explosive Device] emplacers," "anti-American fighters," "terrorists," "military age males," "armed men," "extremists," or "al-Qaeda."

The pattern for reporting on such attacks has remained the same from the early years of the occupation to today. Take a helicopter attack on October 23rd of this year near the village of Djila, north of Samarra. The U.S. military claimed it had killed 11 among "a group of men planting a roadside bomb." Only later did a military spokesperson acknowledge that at least six of the dead were civilians. Local residents claimed that those killed were farmers, that there were children among them, and that the number of dead was greater than 11.

Here is part of the statement released by U.S. military spokeswoman in northern Iraq, Major Peggy Kageleiry:

"A suspected insurgent and improvised explosive device cell member was identified among the killed in an engagement between Coalition Forces and suspected IED emplacers just north of Samarra.... During the engagement, insurgents used a nearby house as a safe haven to re-engage coalition aircraft. A known member of an IED cell was among the 11 killed during the multiple engagements. We send condolences to the families of those victims and we regret any loss of life."

As usual, the version offered by locals was vastly different. Abdul al-Rahman Iyadeh, a relative of some of the victims, revealed that the "group of men" attacked were actually three farmers who had left their homes at 4:30 A.M. to irrigate their fields. Two were killed in the initial helicopter attack and the survivor ran back to his home where other residents gathered. The second air strike, he claimed, destroyed the house killing 14 people. Another witness told reporters that four separate houses were hit by the helicopter. A local Iraqi policeman, Captain Abdullah al-Isawi, put the death toll at 16 -- seven men, six women, and three children, with another 14 wounded.

As often happens, the U.S. military, once challenged, declared that an "investigation" of the incident was under way.

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/iraq/000687.php

Blow themselves? You mean car bombs? Most of them are aimed at US troops.

And the news from "embedded" journalists?

Truth vs fictionhttp://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/iraq/000687.php
Well i guess they don't know the difference between soldiers and civilians so they blow themselves up anyway!!

SAM:Truth vs fiction

So you know what truth is and what is fiction if you've never been there? The insurgents are blowing the shit out of and terrorizing the Iraqi's to turn them against U.S troops otherwise Iraq would be doing great. But of course that is not what you want is it?

I have to say SAM, with all the lies you have been telling your credibility is @ ZERO.

Build a school- blow it up
Build a road - blow it up
Try to pump the oil to pay for things - blow it up

Same ole same ole.

So you know what truth is and what is fiction if you've never been there? The insurgents are blowing the shit out of and terrorizing the Iraqi's to turn them against U.S troops otherwise Iraq would be doing great. But of course that is not what you want is it?

Why not just read what unembedded journalists are saying? The ones that don't get their news from the USDF?

Here are two examples:

http://www.michaeltotten.com/
(he's embedded)

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/
(he's not)

Here is another one from four unembedded photojournalists
http://www.unembedded.net/main.php
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/29538/

You mean this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/12/02/2007-12-02_what_i_see_every_day_in_iraq_locals_turn.html?p rint=1&page=all

Why not just read what unembedded journalists are saying? The ones that don't get their news from the USDF?

Here are two examples:

http://www.michaeltotten.com/

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/Propoganda site, most probably used to radicalize young moslems into blowing themselves up in the name of their ideology!! ...pure Jihad shit!

You mean this?

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/12/02/2007-12-02_what_i_see_every_day_in_iraq_locals_turn.html?p rint=1&page=all

Ya, he is embedded with the Marines.

Now compare with a journalist not embedded with the Marines.

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/newscommentary/000723.php

Propoganda site, most probably used to radicalize young moslems into blowing themselves up in the name of their ideology!! ...pure Jihad shit!

Uh, American journalists?:p

Uh, American journalists?:p
Sure ever heard of the american taliban?...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/jan-june02/walker_john_1-2.html

Ya, he is embedded with the Marines.

Now compare with a journalist not embedded with the Marines.

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/newscommentary/000723.php

Well i do agree that U.S should just sit back and watch the rest of the world blow up. You want dicttators? you got it. You want repression and hunger? you got it.:shrug:

Jamail is a liberal, anti-America, anti-war hack. He's endorsed/praised by the traitor/treasonist liberal rag NYSlimes. Zero credibility. Zero.

Sure ever heard of the american taliban?...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/features/jan-june02/walker_john_1-2.html

Maligning journalists now? Please show where Dahr Jamail has been associated with terrorists.

Son of Gerald Jamail, Dahr Jamail grew up in Houston, Texas and is a fourth-generation Lebanese American. He graduated from Texas A&M University and later moved to Alaska.

Maligning journalists now? Please show where Dahr Jamail has been associated with terrorists.
Will do,..I will go meet the man straight away and do a cover story on him..This might take a few months though or maybe even a year!:D
There journalists out there with the hate like you for American military involvement in the mid-east,...one needs not find proof of assocation but merely just read between the lines to identify a terrorist sympathizer!

Will do,..I will go meet the man straight away and do a cover story on him..This might take a few months though or maybe even a year!:D
There journalists out there with the hate like you for American military involvement in the mid-east,...one needs not find proof of assocation but merely just read between the lines to identify a terrorist sympathizer!

You haven't read any of Dahr Jamails postings have you?:)

Well i do agree that U.S should just sit back and watch the rest of the world blow up. You want dicttators? you got it. You want repression and hunger? you got it.:shrug:

Yeah like all the countries without American intervention. Like India, China, Russia :cool:

You haven't read any of Dahr Jamails postings have you?:) Oh was I talking about him?:eek:

Yeah like all the countries without American intervention. Like India, China, Russia :cool:

Are you serious? Where would china's economy be without U.S? India??? They are laying people off in U.S and sending more jobs to India. That is how india's economy is doing so good from jobs leaving U.S. < And that is the ONLY reason.

I love these kinds of posts, they remind me to remind people that people have blamed America for everything and anything for completely different reasons throughout the past several decades, the flavor of the decade this time is Iraq with a sprinkling of good ol' vietnam-era "babykiller" accusations. The intelligent americans don't bother fighting this never-ending trend, and the dumb ones perform counter-propaganda, like posting pics of Americans nuzzling Iraqi children, just like most soldiers of ANY nationality would do in a similar situation.

As an American, I really am sorry that we constantly have to choose between a dick and an ass every 4 years, but cut us some slack, most of us are in fact decent human beings. Give us a rest so we don't need to pretend to be Canadian when we travel to certain countries :(

I applaud your honesty and I'm sorry you have to live with such choices. I'm sorrier that others have to live with your choices.

Are you serious? Where would china's economy be without U.S? India??? They are laying people off in U.S and sending more jobs to India. That is how india's economy is doing so good from jobs leaving U.S. < And that is the ONLY reason.

Yeah, because Americans would rather fight than work. :(

It was only a decade or so ago that an a prisoner in America lived better than most people in India.

It was only a decade or so ago that an a prisoner in America lived better than most people in India.

Its probably still true. But thats no excuse for invading other countries.

Yeah, because Americans would rather fight than work. :(

No because the payrolls are cut in half or less. The tide is turning though and things are going to change.:)

It was only a decade or so ago that you could live better in an American prison than you could in India.

Blow themselves? You mean car bombs? Most of them are aimed at US troops.

And the news from "embedded" journalists?

Truth vs fictionhttp://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/iraq/000687.php

Yes the Terrorist are so careful on how they pick their targets.

You mean like these Market Bombings:

Market bombs kill 100 in 2 Iraqi cities - CNN.com
At least 88 people were killed and 160 wounded in central Baghdad in a pair of nearly simultaneous car bombings, an Iraqi Interior Ministry official said. ...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/22/Iraq.main/index.html

NPR : Triple Car Bombings Kill Dozens in Southern Iraq
Triple Car Bombings Kill Dozens in Southern Iraq ... Most Baghdad markets, which have been hit by a succession of deadly bombings in recent years, ...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17171230

Car Bombings in Baghdad Kill 15 in Crowded Shiite Area Markets ...
Car Bombings in Baghdad Kill 15 in Crowded Shiite Area Markets ... Two suicide car bombers detonated their vehicles at the gate of an Iraqi Army regiment ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/world/middleeast/14iraq.html

ABC News: Iraq Bomb Kills 25, Defying U.S. Surge
Car Bombing in Baghdad Market Kills 25, Injures 60, Despite Security Crackdown in ... 12 miles (20 kilometers) south of Baghdad, Iraq Tuesday, May 22, 2007. ...
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3199300&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

Car Bomb Kills 28 at Baghdad Market, 28 Die As Suicide Car Bomb ...
28 Die As Suicide Car Bomb Hits Baghdad Market; Sadr Bloc Digs in for Political ... It was the largest bombing in the capital in three days, and came on the ...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/05/ap/world/mainD8NM35PO0.shtml

58 die in car bombing at Iraqi market | Iraq | Guardian Unlimited
58 die in car bombing at Iraqi market. Agencies in Baghdad Saturday May 7, 2005 The Guardian. At least 58 people were killed and 44 wounded yesterday when a ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1478620,00.html

Bombing Kills 14 Iraqis in Hilla; Toll in Balad Attacks Rises to 85
30 -- A car bomb exploded in a crowded vegetable market Friday morning in the ... of suicide bombings, shootings and assassinations to try to topple Iraq's ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/30/AR2005093001661.html

Double Car Bombing in Central Baghdad Market Kills 88
Double Car Bombing in Central Baghdad Market Kills 88. By Jim Randle ... VOA's Jim Randle reports from the Iraqi capital. The two car bombs exploded at ...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2007/01/mil-070122-voa07.htm

Al Jazeera English - Archive - Scores Killed In Baghdad Car Bombings
Two car bombs exploded in one market while a third blew up almost ... The predominantly Sunni Iraqi Islamic party has denounced the bombings in al-Sadr city ...
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/489C95D4-365C-430D-86D0-9DE3D6F9D9A8.htm

USATODAY.com - Car bombing kills nine in eastern Baghdad
An Iraqi policeman attends the scene of a car bombing near an outdoor market in the · Enlarge, By Mohammed Hato, AP. An Iraqi policeman attends the scene of ...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-05-26-iraq-violence_x.htm

More "news" from embedded journalists.

Its probably still true. But thats no excuse for invading other countries.
Have you ever studied history?...Invasions have been going on since the beginning of civilization!...which planet did you fall from???

Have you ever studied history?...Invasions have been going on since the beginning of civilization!...which planet did you fall from???

Some of us evolved beyond that a few centuries ago.

Some of us evolved beyond that a few centuries ago. sadly that includes a few brains as well!!

Some of us evolved beyond that a few centuries ago.


Really?

BBC ON THIS DAY | 6 | 1965: Indian Army invades W Pakistan
Indian troops have invaded West Pakistan, crossing the border at three points in an attack which appears to be aimed mainly at the city of Lahore.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/6/newsid_3632000/3632092.stm

1965? Hehe

crossing the border at 3 whole points?

Are we occupying those 3 points?

:roflmao:

1965? Hehe

crossing the border at 3 whole points?

Are we occupying those 3 points?

:roflmao:

War and Invasion, to destroy the will to fight.

War and Invasion, to destroy the will to fight.

Ha! going over the border during a fight is a far cry from sending troops deliberately into a country and stealing their resources while killing their civilians.

Besides, we were defending:

After its successes in the Rann of Kutch, Pakistan, under the leadership of General Ayub Khan, is said to have believed that the Indian Army was unable to defend itself against a quick military campaign in the disputed territory of Kashmir, following a loss to China in 1962.[7] Pakistan believed that the population of Kashmir was generally discontented with Indian rule and that a resistance movement could be ignited by a few infiltrating saboteurs. This was codenamed Operation Gibraltar.[8] However, the Pakistani infiltrators were soon discovered, aided primarily by the local Kashmiris themselves and the entire operation ended in a complete disaster.

Unlike your fake search for Raid under sinks or low priority terrorists.

Ha! going over the border during a fight is a far cry from sending troops deliberately into a country and stealing their resources while killing their civilians.

Besides, we were defending:



Unlike your fake search for Raid under sinks or low priority terrorists.

Invasion, no matter how you spin it;

Now how about 1971,

Faced with an extraordinary refugee burden, India made several diplomatic attempts to arrange a return of the refugees to East Pakistan. These attempts all failed. A group of Indian statesmen successfully argued that it would be cheaper to fight another war with Pakistan than to absorb almost 10 million refugees into India's already bloated population. Accordingly, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi fashioned a strategy designed to accomplish two objectives: the return of the refugees and the creation of a new state in East Pakistan.

The Indian army moved quickly into East Pakistan, and by December 16, 1971, had routed the Pakistani forces. On December 17, both India and Pakistan declared ceasefires. This war proved to be the costliest of the three Indo-Pakistani conflicts in terms of personnel and material losses. Pakistan lost some 9,000 men and India about 2,500.

Pakistan's defeat in the 1971 war led to the creation of Bangladesh. India was the first country to recognize Bangladesh as an independent state.

Now would Bangladesh be considered as occupied territory, as the Indian Government set up the Government of Bangladesh?

India invaded East Pakistan to do so.

Yeah you're right. Maintaining border security is EXACTLY the same as occupying Iraq and stealing millions of barrels of oil. No difference.

And Bangladesh is occupied territory. :crazy:

Yeah you're right. Maintaining border security is EXACTLY the same as occupying Iraq and stealing millions of barrels of oil. No difference.

And Bangladesh is occupied territory. :crazy:

Well India set up Bangladesh, just as the U.N. set up Israel, the only difference is that India acted unilaterally, it could have given the refugees a home land, isn't that what you suggested for Israel? that someone give them a home land some were else? well isn't that what India did, gave the Bangladeshis a homeland some were else, off Indian soil?

The inhabitants of Bangladesh are not refugees.

The inhabitants of Bangladesh are not refugees.

10,000,000 of them were when they came to India, and India interfered in the internal affaires of Pakistan, and helped set up the State of Bangladesh.

A group of Indian statesmen successfully argued that it would be cheaper to fight another war with Pakistan than to absorb almost 10 million refugees into India

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As indigenous resistance to the Pakistani army crackdown grew in East Pakistan, the Indians began providing the resistance movement, known as the Mukti Bahini ("liberation force"), with sanctuaries, training, and weaponry. By November 1971, the Mukti Bahini was attacking military installations in East Pakistan from bases along the Indian border. Unable to deter these attacks, Pakistan declared war on India along the western frontier on December 3, 1971.

And they went back to where the came from

:yawn: is there any point here?

All Bangladeshi refugees went back to Bangladesh, to their own homes and villages.

And they went back to where the came from

:yawn: is there any point here?

All Bangladeshi refugees went back to Bangladesh, to their own homes and villages.

India invaded another Nation, interfered in the internal affaires of a sovereign nation, and overthrew the recognized government for India's own interest.

A blatant case of hypocrisy on your part again, I would say.

India invaded another Nation, interfered in the internal affaires of a sovereign nation, and overthrew the recognized government for India's own interest.

A blatant case of hypocrisy on your part again, I would say.

Did we occupy? Did we take anything? Did we steal land or resources?

The nation is in the hand of its inhabitants. Not India's. They are free to join with Pakistan if they so wish.:shrug:

Did we occupy? Did we take anything? Did we steal land or resources?

The nation is in the hand of its inhabitants. Not India's. They are free to join with Pakistan if they so wish.:shrug:

Yes, you stole land from Pakistan and made a country that was more suitable to your political thinking.

You intervened in a civil war, for India's own political agenda, and to screw with Pakistan.

Yes, you stole land from Pakistan and made a country that was more suitable to your political thinking.

You intervened in a civil war, for India's own political agenda, and to screw with Pakistan.

Pakistan is still free to take over any time they want, and Bangladesh is still free to join. :shrug:

Pakistan is still free to take over any time they want, and Bangladesh is still free to join.

And India will stand peaceably aside.

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Mod Note: Sorry to interrupt, but I feel BR has made his point. We are just going around and around on the Indian thing. Who will want to read this?