If you had a chance to have sexual intercourse with a girl that wasn't awake, or had passed out, an nobody would ever know.. would you?

Notice: This is strictly a theoretical question designed to determine peoples general beliefs.

As tempting as it would be... no.

i said no as well that makes at this rate 3 very wrong people... including the thread starter?

Notice: This is strictly a theoretical question designed to determine peoples general beliefs.

This is a matter of practical policy, not belief.

--- Ron.

This is a matter of practical policy, not belief.

--- Ron.

exactly

maybe the question should be rephrased:

If it was legal for you to have non consenting sex with an uncoscnious female would you?

Hey, don't forget about guys or girls that don't mind if you screw em while passed out, heh.

- N

Some folk are of course much more passed out than others, but as a matter a law consent may none the less need to be established as a matter of fact.

--- Ron.

law means little to me i would, the question says rape, i wouldnt have unconsenting sex

"Would You Rape A Hot Chick? "

No I could not .

law means little to me ...

You have not yet been arrested then?

--- Ron.

Hey, don't forget about guys or girls that don't mind if you screw em while passed out, heh.

- N

(Hence I said no consenting)

No i havnt

You guys are liars.

definately not

Only if I am sure I can get away with it.

Many women consider rape worse than murder for the very reason that the victim survives and has to live forever with the horrible memory. If it represents that outrageous of a violation to them, then as civlized beings we have an obligation to not take advantage of the technicality that an unconscious woman won't have to live with the memory. We will. Who among us wants to live forever with the knowledge that he is a man who was able to commit rape?

"Hot" is the whole package, not just physical appearance. The way she moves that body, for starters. But facial expressions and tone of voice are huge factors in attractiveness, as is the way she reacts to you. To say someone is "hot" who isn't moving and doesn't even know you're there is only slightly different from being aroused by a photograph.

The idea of having sex with an unconscious woman will pop unbidden into the head of a normal young man with a healthy endocrine system who hasn't had any in the last few hours. To consider it the first time one is actually confronted with the unexpected opportunity is to be human and think about one's actions from all perspectives. But to actually do it, in my opinion, is grounds for being banished from the community of civilized people.

if she is hot and i would get away with and she wouldnt remember then yes

if she is hot and i would get away with and she wouldnt remember then yes


given the wider use of the 'date rape' drug this response if very worrying.
You ARE a rapist in the making.

Maybe someone will cut your testicles off while you are unconscious. :) have a nice day

Assuming the six (at time of writing) individuals who voted yes were being serious and not just winding us up, then I am forced to conclude the following:
a) they do not understand that the word intercourse implies and requires two way conscious interaction.
b) they are wankers in both the literal and metaphorical sense of the word.

The problem with offering false expectations and unearned respect to the undeserving is that they begin believing they are entitled to it, in time.

For example: The sanctity of life and the myth concerning human “rights” and inherent human “dignity” and the idea concerning indiscriminate love, have given birth to individuals falsely believing they are worth something and that they deserve something, by birth alone.

In the wild rape is common – especially amongst chimpanzees.

It is only in our modern necessary morals, creating the notion of “civility” that have excluded it as a possible procreative practice and enforced the monogamous, all-inclusive placating method as the dominant and socially acceptable norm.

We forget that man doesn’t behave in ways that he invents on his own nor does he decide his own inclinations.
He suppresses and controls his nature, in relation to his environmental conditions but he doesn’t pick and choose what they are.

A fat man cannot decide to not salivate over fats and sugars when the environment has made them dangerous to his well-being.
His evolutionary history, through centuries of natural selection, has made these culinary desires irrepressible.

Similarly rape and force, in general, are not invented by each mind.
They pre-exist as survival mechanisms and strategies.

Whether the present environment, shaped through human intervention using moral codes, tolerates these behaviors is another matter.
Our jails prove that man cannot fully suppress and repress his nature.

Jails prove that “rights” and “dignity” are not a myth.

If you don't believe it try a night in jail and see how right and dignified you feel about it.

In the wild rape is common – especially amongst chimpanzees.This is patently untrue. In at least 99.9 percent of mammalian species, females are physically incapable of copulation when they are not in estrus ("heat"), and their body chemistry does not emit the pheromones (unconsciously sensed odors) that cause males to become aroused and attracted.

Exceptions to this are so rare as to be remarkable and Homo sapiens is the most prominent example. Human females are not only capable of copulating during the weeks when they can't become pregnant, but they have an almost unique physiology that allows them to enjoy it, rather than simply doing it as a show of affection for a mate or a bonding ritual with fellow tribe members.

Chimpanzee and dolphin females--two of the other most intelligent and highly social animals on this planet--have also evolved the ability to copulate outside of estrus, although I don't know if any biologist has determined whether they enjoy it. There are a few other species but the ability always arises as an aid to maintaining good relations within the pack/tribe/pod/whatever.

This makes rape possible. I'll take your word that it's widespread among chimps but you're the first person who's ever put it so strongly. It occurs in dolphins, but only in certain populations. In fact to my knowledge the only place where it has been documented is off the coast of Australia. Must be all that Foster's running off into the sea.

To those of you who think you've found a loophole and it's okay to have non-consensual sex with a woman who doesn't know it's happening, I offer the reminder that secrets are fragile. Your judgment is so bad that you're telling us before you do it, so you'll certainly have a lapse in judgment when you're drunk and tell a couple of buddies after you do it. Once three people know a secret you might as well post it on the internet. The odds are pretty good that that poor woman will find out. And if you think the only reason they hate being raped is the feeling of being physically violated so all you need is a good anesthetic, you'll discover that the assault on their privacy and dignity is just as odious or more so.

You'll be sitting around the dinner table with your family some night twenty years from now, and this woman will burst in on you, fueled by ice-cold, long-festering revenge, possibly accompanied by some really big and well-armed relatives. Or it could just be the cops, two days before the Statute runs out.

More importantly, what kind of incompetent parents raised you to believe that it's okay to take advantage of people when their guard is down? That is the first rule of civilization. We can only live together in these gigantic communities and have a functional culture if we're not always looking over our shoulders expecting our fellow citizens to attack us. We would expend so much of our time and labor on personal defense that we would be unable to contribute to the productivity of society. We would not produce enough food, housing, and other goods and services to survive. We would devolve back into the Neolithic village lifestyle in which people trusted each other because they knew everyone personally and were related to most of them. And of course billions of people would not survive because subsistence farming cannot support the same population as a civilized world.

I hope you guys are just pulling our chain. If this is a true expression of the morality of a representative sample of Generation Z or whatever the hell you call yourselves, the human race is in deep shit.

I am proud that more then just myself would mate with a woman that was unconsious...

So what is so absolutely repulsive about you then, sderenzi, that the woman would need to be so?

--- Ron.

I think sderenzi's a bit of a troll, tbh.

Would you like to wake up somewhere, not knowing what happened with a pouding headache, sore kidneys and some guys cum seeping out of your ass?

I try to live by the do unto others thing.

Having a little feel wouldn't be as bad, but it's still not good form.

Apparantly fucking an unconscious girl who has no memory of the event is very appealing.........hence the ever more common presence of 'date rape drugs' and their use and the appeal of getting a girl drunk.

For those men who think it's ok, if the girl does not consent/ remember I ask you this:

If your mother or sister/girlfriend were involuntarily drugged and fucked by a stranger while un/semi conscious is this ok?

I had someone drug a drink of mine once....

I was lucky, after vomiting for two hours and I lost all control of my body and couldn't even form a fist to grip my friends hand, she locked me safely in a room away from the party animals while she called an ambulance. After I left hospital,and came home (recovered- but drunk) I confronted the man who was still at the party who gave me the drink. I was VERY angry, he told me: "Hey woman, it was not supposed to make you angry, supposed to make you horny"

For those of you ladies wishing to avoid date rape drugs:

"Don't accept drinks from other people.
Open containers yourself.
Keep your drink with you at all times, even when you go to the bathroom.
Don't share drinks.
Don't drink from punch bowls or other large, common, open containers. They may already have drugs in them.
Don't drink anything that tastes or smells strange. Sometimes, GHB tastes salty.
Have a non-drinking friend with you to make sure nothing happens.
If you think that you have been drugged and raped:
Go to the police station or hospital right away.
Get a urine (pee) test as soon as possible. The drugs leave your system quickly. Rohypnol stays in the body for several hours, and can be detected in the urine up to 72 hours after taking it. GHB leaves the body in 12 hours.
Don't urinate before getting help.
Don't douche, bathe, or change clothes before getting help. These things may give evidence of the rape.
You also can call a crisis center or a hotline to talk with a counselor.

Feelings of shame, guilt, fear and shock are normal. It is important to get counseling from a trusted professional. - What a mysterious thing this is exactly how I feel when you woman ignore or turn me down just for being nice.

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So this why you justify rape? We deserve it?


On a brighter note I agree with TheoryOfRelativity there really is no way to justify rape if the girls awake. .

How dare you say you agree with me, I NEVER SAID RAPE IS OK if the girl is awake? You fucking moron.

How do you justify it if she is unconscious?

and no the drugs don't keep the girl awake, they render the girl incapacitated and they are NOT horny.

You are a wanabee rapist and you make me sick.

I am proud that more then just myself would mate with a woman that was unconsious. The honest fact is this, if the woman isn't even aware she's having sex then there isn't any reason she'd be tramatized by it. Especially if you're careful an don't really do anything that would let her know upon awakening.

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I reccomend the mods pass your IP to the police.

YOU ARE SO WRONG

an unwilling female's body will not be relaxed and aroused to receive a cock, thus afterwards she will feel sore, there will be bruises and she will have your sperm and maybe you diseases and your progeny inside her. Her conscious mind may be unaware but her brain is ALWAYS active, it hears and recalls and knows everything, and so when she awakes she will know.

HENCE some/not all date rape druggers are caught, because the girls DO KNOW at some point they were raped. Violated, abused, traumatised.

If your neighbour raped your unconsciuous mother is this ok?

If a burglar robbed your house while you were out, is this ok? you weren't there, you didn't see it happen? You are insured.

there are no words to describe how sick your words make me feel.

I am proud that more then just myself would mate with a woman that was unconsious. The honest fact is this, if the woman isn't even aware she's having sex then there isn't any reason she'd be tramatized by it. Especially if you're careful an don't really do anything that would let her know upon awakening.

Now would I? I think that would depend on many factors, things like how horney I am, etc. I highly suspect that if I were in a situation that would allow for me to mate with someone there would already be a certain amount of attraction. For example if I was in the womans apartment an she got drunk, was feeling me up, then passed out... well that would naturally imply she would've banged me but she fell asleep.

In honesty I've thought how simple it would be to take a dart gun, shoot some hot chick with it, rape her, then put her on the sidewalk wondering what had happened. Just be careful, treat her well, then she'll never even know or want to.


I am considering passing copies of this to the police myself, you need to be watched.

Alright, I was just trolling, I'm bored :-Z~

too late

Fraggle Rocker

You begin with this:
This is patently untrue.
Presumably to create an effect and declare your moral conformity to the others.

Then you continue with this:
Chimpanzee and dolphin females--two of the other most intelligent and highly social animals on this planet--have also evolved the ability to copulate outside of estrus, although I don't know if any biologist has determined whether they enjoy it. There are a few other species but the ability always arises as an aid to maintaining good relations within the pack/tribe/pod/whatever.

This makes rape possible. I'll take your word that it's widespread among chimps but you're the first person who's ever put it so strongly. It occurs in dolphins, but only in certain populations. In fact to my knowledge the only place where it has been documented is off the coast of Australia. Must be all that Foster's running off into the sea.Presumably to cover up for your original rational error.

Amongst primates rape is, in fact, commonplace and females use sex to garner favors, to maintain alliances and to maintain relationships.

A practice, by the way, common amongst human females.

This is then followed by the threat of social condemnation and the repercussions inherit in challenging communal rules:
To those of you who think you've found a loophole and it's okay to have non-consensual sex with a woman who doesn't know it's happening, I offer the reminder that secrets are fragile. Your judgment is so bad that you're telling us before you do it, so you'll certainly have a lapse in judgment when you're drunk and tell a couple of buddies after you do it. Once three people know a secret you might as well post it on the internet. The odds are pretty good that that poor woman will find out. And if you think the only reason they hate being raped is the feeling of being physically violated so all you need is a good anesthetic, you'll discover that the assault on their privacy and dignity is just as odious or more so.
and this:
You'll be sitting around the dinner table with your family some night twenty years from now, and this woman will burst in on you, fueled by ice-cold, long-festering revenge, possibly accompanied by some really big and well-armed relatives. Or it could just be the cops, two days before the Statute runs out.
Then come the emotional condemnations using established moral codes to induce feelings of shame, a popular religious method of mind control:
More importantly, what kind of incompetent parents raised you to believe that it's okay to take advantage of people when their guard is down?
and this:
That is the first rule of civilization. We can only live together in these gigantic communities and have a functional culture if we're not always looking over our shoulders expecting our fellow citizens to attack us.And yet violence perpetrated and sanctioned by the establishment (capital punishment, war, the raping of foreign lands, jailing, persecution etc.) is acceptable.

Here the alpha male status is taken over by institutions, and they act as males do in the wild as authoritarian, controlling mechanisms of dominance.

A final warning is presented as the cost of reverting back to our natural state, inadvertently exposing the price of “civilization”:We would expend so much of our time and labor on personal defense that we would be unable to contribute to the productivity of society. We would not produce enough food, housing, and other goods and services to survive. We would devolve back into the Neolithic village lifestyle in which people trusted each other because they knew everyone personally and were related to most of them. And of course billions of people would not survive because subsistence farming cannot support the same population as a civilized world.
In the last statement we see how survival precedes any other consideration and how adaptation is driven by purely selfish motives.
We are willing to sacrifice personal options, if it guarantees us an escape from the natural world where we feel vulnerable.
This fine veneer of “civility” is what stands between rational man and his instincts.

Then a final plea for a return to the hypocrisy which comforts his sensibilities and does not force him to face himself honestly:
I hope you guys are just pulling our chain. If this is a true expression of the morality of a representative sample of Generation Z or whatever the hell you call yourselves, the human race is in deep shit.

Also included in the responses this emotional outburst exposing how truth is often shaped by personal interests and subjective hopes:
For those men who think it's ok, if the girl does not consent/ remember I ask you this:

If your mother or sister/girlfriend were involuntarily drugged and fucked by a stranger while un/semi conscious is this ok?
Here we are urged to alter our understanding of nature because we are victims of it ourselves or can become so.
The threat lies in reminding the other that he is just as vulnerable as anyone else and it shows how the majority’s opinions are shaped and maitained by self-interests.

We remain moral, in fact, so as to not become victims of amorality.

This really exposes the thinker’s motives and not so much her understanding, since she’s unconsciously displaying how she thinks.
Her opinions and awareness of the universe is based on how she benefits or not from them.

Then, what follows is the final censoring mechanism the threat of institutional costs.
The weak always revert back to their shields to protect them from the big bad world.

They cannot argue against reality so they deny it and protect themselves behind authorized power.
Want to see how censoring and mass mind control occurs?
Watch this display.
What democracy and free-speech?

Watch how it is the weakest, the female, who cannot tolerate any thoughts that confronts her sense of stability and belonging and safety.

This is philosophy?
Is this a philosophical mind?
I ask you to decide on your own and then see how you too self-censor and conform to poplar opinions under the premise of a moral universal code.
Now I’m not advocating rape. I am not advocating anything that would turn the wrath of the sheeple majority against you in any way.

I am saying that some of the things we take for granted as ‘good’ and ‘just’ and ‘civil’ are really human inventions to create the façade of safety and comfort.

Civilization in built on a foundation of psychological repression and denial.
Most instances of psychosis or “criminal behavior” are caused when the strain breaks the mind and comforts it with its natural predispositions or when reason loses control over its own instincts.

Feelings of shame, guilt, fear and shock are normal. It is important to get counseling from a trusted professional. - What a mysterious thing this is exactly how I feel when you woman ignore or turn me down just for being nice.

On a brighter note I agree with TheoryOfRelativity there really is no way to justify rape if the girls awake. The drugs she's mentioning are things designed to keep the girl consious so she'll bang away an be horney.

Let me tell you a little something about people though, the counselors that help you, the cops that pretend to care, all they really care about are their jobs. Ever watch those shows like Criminal Intent, etc? They treat the victims like trash until they begin spilling their guts about how they were hurt, etc. They'll heckle people that are really hurt just for the sake of pleasing their bosses or getting a case built. This is called BS an it's very sad. A girl that's been raped needs understanding an support, not to be examined endlessly.

I pity all the people claiming to help others that have been hurt when their only interested if it directly relates to their case being built.

are you kidding, there is no way to justify ANY rape, just because you are to much of pussy to even approach a women and initiate even a one night stand you think it would be ok to fuck an unconcious women. jeez no wonder your a virgin and women near your area need to be warned of your viewpoint. rape is an incredibly damaging thing to do to any women and for you to think that it is ok to do it for you self gratification is sick beyond belief

mods, report the thread starter to the police. admitted already are thoughts of committing a rape, desire to do so, and the idea that rape is the only way this particular piece of trash will be able to have sex.


so we have:
1. fantasy (the womb of many atrocities).
2. desire to carry out those fantasies.
3. justification for these atrocious fantasies.

in my home state of michigan, you could be arrested specifically because of these three things combined and stated on the internet.

Actually I think that's exactly what I was trying to get at, your comments above are so original an outside the mechanisms of social structure it's just inspiring. Here's a quote from Kung Fu

"A million living things and as many worlds".

PS You don't need to worry about me, I'm a loner and have no friends!
thats a complete pile of bullshit and you are a depraved young man, i hope james kicks you from this forum tonight, you try and justify your above comments with this?

Notice, in this thread how conformity to communal standards is enforced and how peer pressure censors any divergent mind.

This is how mediocrity is perpetuated and all are made average or forced to pretend and hide and feign.
This is how repression and suppression of natural instincts begins and finally expresses itself through neurosis and psychosomatic symptoms.
In most cases the pretence is so established that the mind believes its own pretence even while its original inclinations persist and cause it distress and feelings of inadequacy and weirdness.

Here we see a real life communal controlling practice in real time.
It is the same mechanism that censors scientific investigation and any type of thought that confronts established beliefs and moral codes.


I love this palce.

A virtual zoo of mediocrity pretending intellect and uniqueness.

Ta, ta……

Calm down, girls. It's just some kid talking shit on the interweb. No need to fill your panties with sand.

so we have:
1. fantasy (the womb of many atrocities).
2. desire to carry out those fantasies.
3. justification for these atrocious fantasies.

in my home state of michigan, you could be arrested specifically because of these three things combined and stated on the internet.

Wow. So your home state of Michigan has instituted thoughtcrime laws?

Good to know. You'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.

For those of you ladies wishing to avoid date rape drugs:How about choosing the people you hang out with and the places you go more carefully? Has the world become so ugly that you can go to a perfectly nice party with perfectly nice friends--but one of them invited an asshole like Sderenzi, and he's lurking there waiting for a chance to slip you a roofie?What a mysterious thing this is exactly how I feel when you woman ignore or turn me down just for being nice.I'm going to let you in on a little secret, Sam. Perhaps someone has told you this already, but you need to hear it again so you understand it.

YOU ARE NOT "NICE."

Perhaps that is why you're not getting any action. With an attitude like yours, you have to hang out with a really rough crowd to get chicks. You'll get beaten up a lot, the violence is spread around pretty equitably by the alpha males in those crowds.--Satyr, I understand that there are more than three species of mammals whose females are capable of copulation while out of estrus and if you say rape occurs within those species I'll take your word for it. But I thought you were saying that rape is widespread throughout the animal kingdom and it simply is not. If I misunderstood you I'm sorry.

However, the rest of your rant seems to focus on making the point that you don't think much of civilization. That's fine, you're welcome to leave if the rules are too hard for you to cope with. If you stay and violate the rules the way you talk about violating them, eventually you will be forced to leave. But instead of going off to live in New Guinea or the Amazon Basin or one of the other few places on earth where civilization has not been devleoped, you will be removed by being placed in confinement, either in a prison or a mental institution.

I'm sorry (no not really I'm just saying that) if you think this is unfair. And I get a chuckle out of your tough-little-boy bluster getting in my face about my conformist adult motivation and my boring adult character. These are not threats, simply observations on how people like you are generally treated by the civilization you have so unfortunately been caught up in. I don't like a lot of the rules either, but they're the ones that tear down civilization like overly restrictive government regulation, not the ones that support it like protecting the citizens from violence.

Capital punishment and imprisonment are methods developed by the billions of people on this planet who want to get along with each other in order to build what they consider a better life, in order to protect themselves from the tiny percentage of the population who want to behave like you do. There was a time when they were shipped off to America, and then to Australia, but even those places have become civilized. As soon as we reach the stars, I'm sure a penal colony will be established on another planet and you can go live there with the other one-percenters and we'll all be happy. We don't really like killing people because it's uncivilized, but sometimes it's the lesser of two evils.

War and the raping of foreign lands are generally done in the rare instances when people like you manage to beat the system and achieve postions of power.

I have no quarrel with the assertion that civilization places pressures on humans, that it forces us to override some of our instincts with learned behaviors that are passed down by our ancestors. Nonetheless about five hundred generations of human beings have voted with their feet and continuously relocated themselves to places where civilization had taken hold, even during ancient times when there was plenty of room left to live the Neolithic lifestyle. Apparently most of us find the safety, health, comforts, conveniences and pleasures of civilized life to be well worth putting up with that pressure. If you think it's all a façade, then that's your choice.

Wow. So your home state of Michigan has instituted thoughtcrime laws?

Good to know. You'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
no, but posting threatening messages on an internet forum can be construed as "intent", and this poster has specifically stated a desire to commit such a crime.

it isnt "thought-crime" per se. at least not in the sense that you mean it, and you know it. thinking a criminal action, and stating that you wish to commit a crime on an electronic media are two very different things.

please dont take what i say out of context again, or i shall sic Fluffy on you.

Sdrenzi, it sounds like you’re sexually frustrated. Sexual frustration is the #1 cause of rape. You need to learn how to control your emotions. You also probably need to learn how to talk to women. It’s not difficult to get the things that you want from a woman if you know what to say to them. You don’t have to believe what you're saying. And you don’t have to be rich and handsome. (Being rich and handsome does improve your chances of getting what you want) You just have to know how the average female brain works.

You should read some NLP (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2005-47,RNWE:en&q=nlp) books. They will teach you most of things that there is to know about human behavior. Whenever you are in the presence of a beautiful woman, you should always remember that she is only human. Human beings can be very easy to control and manipulate. Knowledge is power. Hopefully you will acquire the knowledge that will allow you to get the things that you want without resorting to rape.

It sounds like you have developed a rape fantasy because of your sexual frustration. I hope that you find a way to get rid of your negative desires before you do something that you’re going to regret. You have to find a way to create new neural pathways in your brain that will get rid of your negative desires. I am not saying that you should suppress your negative desires. That would probably just make things worse. You need to find a way to think objectively (without emotion) when your emotions are causing you to make illogical decisions. You also have to find a way to convince yourself that your desires are illogical. You need to think about the possible consequences of your illogical actions. Imagine that you are sent to prison for raping a woman. Imagine how it would feel to be beaten and raped while you are in prison. These actions will active an area in your brain that is called the orbitofrontal cortex. (It inhibits inappropriate actions) Your desires should slowly change over a period of time. But it is important that you supplement your old desires with something new. Perhaps you could focus on how easy it will be to get the things that you want from women because of your superior knowledge.

And ladies, quit going to frat parties alone getting all drunk. That's just beggin' for trouble. God, I hate seeing all these girls that go to those parties expecting nothing to happen to em. Yeah right.

- N

How about choosing the people you hang out with and the places you go more carefully? .

Date rape drugs are placed in girls drinks while they stand at a bar, any bar.

What happned to me happened when I was 18, thus:

My friend had a private party, she invited a friend she knew and trusted. That friend invited a friend, that friend went out before the party met a guy she did not know (a couple, the other was actually very nice) and brought them both back to the party. I was too drunk to notice the 'bit's floating in the drink he gave me (distilled magic mushrooms I think?? not sure long time ago) well I did, but too drunk to bother. My fault entirely. I was stupid and naive. That doesn't mean I deserved to be drugged and raped. I learned my lesson.

Drug rape thing wasn't around in those days that I was aware of.

Things are worse now 18yrs on.

mods, report the thread starter to the police. admitted already are thoughts of committing a rape, desire to do so, and the idea that rape is the only way this particular piece of trash will be able to have sex.


so we have:
1. fantasy (the womb of many atrocities).
2. desire to carry out those fantasies.
3. justification for these atrocious fantasies.

in my home state of michigan, you could be arrested specifically because of these three things combined and stated on the internet.

Snails leave trails

Our little friend is here,

Bolingbrook, IL - USA

.... I was too drunk to notice ....Drug rape thing wasn't around in those days that I was aware of....

Like being too drunk to notice had not already been around forever, or like alcohol is not a drug?

-- Ron.

Ewww no! Now if it were a young strapping male........

I find your idea I could've been arrested in Michigan fascinating. I think the major requirement to imprision someone is intent towards an actual person rather then only a mere fantasy / theoretical discussion on a forum. It's somewhat odd you would even suggest that.
uh...you have said things that are beyond theoretical here, guy.

I am proud that more then just myself would mate with a woman that was unconsious...
this implies intent to commit a crime, or that you already have.

on a note of interest, many of your posts are now missing from the discussion.
if a mod did this, will you speak up so that we can know if this guy is deleting his own messages to avoid being banned?

Uhh, hehe. I was kidding of course about chowing down on a passed out strapping young male! I would just watch him sleep. :eek:

If you had a chance to have sexual intercourse with a girl that wasn't awake, or had passed out, an nobody would ever know.. would you?
Firstly, this is an immoral act by all ethical codes I can think of. But setting that aside for the moment...

What's the point? As far as the experience goes, you might as well jack off or fuck a warm apple pie.

So, no... even if the lady had given explicit permission to do the deed before she passed out, I'd rather masturbate. If she's awake and enthusiastic, of course, that's another story!

In at least 99.9 percent of mammalian species, females are physically incapable of copulation when they are not in estrus ("heat"), and their body chemistry does not emit the pheromones (unconsciously sensed odors) that cause males to become aroused and attracted.
Hi Fraggle,
I find it a bit disturbing that you take it for granted that this fact (assuming its truth) means that rape is impossible.

To me, it is clear that "in estrus" does not mean "consents to sex".
Similarly, "dressed to kill" does not mean "asking for it".

This entire thread is theory alone The Devil Inside, whatever gave you the impression it wasn't is beyond me. Quoting a comment I made as if it wasn't is ridiculious, an you also cannot jail someone for having an opinion!

Wow, sderenzi posts his opinion, and the thread turns into a witchhunt. Pathetic.

As sick as sderenzi's opinions might be, he is still entitled to them. To claim that one should 'report him to the police' is silly bullshit, and an attempt at censorship.

Devil Inside:

so we have:
1. fantasy (the womb of many atrocities).
2. desire to carry out those fantasies.
3. justification for these atrocious fantasies.

in my home state of michigan, you could be arrested specifically because of these three things combined and stated on the internet.

Then your shitty state is fucked up. And sciforums doesn't obey the laws of 'Michigan'. Thank god for that.

Tell you what. The next time you are really pissed off with someone, and fantasize about killing them, tell me. Then I can report you to the police in Michigan. After all, at the time you consider committing the act, you will have...

1. Fantasy.
2. Desire.
3. Justification.

Of course, you probably won't feel like that after sleeping it off, but who knows.

Thankfully, in the rest of the world, the thought police can't imprison you for 'contemplating' killing someone when you are furious. Otherwise, almost every citizen on Earth would be in jail.

Fraggle Rocker

Dear Razzled Frocker your rebuttal has touched me deeply with its well thought out counter-arguments and eloquent words.

Your compassion concerning my hurt caused by how civilization has treated me is inspiring and emotionally draining.
It brings back hurtful memories from my dysfunctional past and reminds me of my lonely, bitter present.

I think you now know how deeply damaged I’ve become by the cruel world, while your own strength inspires me to become just like you.
Especially this response to our obviously troubled young soul has touched me deeply:
YOU ARE NOT "NICE."Beautifully said. :(

However, the rest of your rant seems to focus on making the point that you don't think much of civilization. That's fine, you're welcome to leave if the rules are too hard for you to cope with.Wow. The word “rant” and the “love it or leave it" argument all in one paragraph.
Your debating tactics are commendable and they show you to be a worthy mind.

‘Love it or Leave it’ sound like an American argument.
Well done sir.
A great representative of your people, you are.
But instead of going off to live in New Guinea or the Amazon Basin or one of the other few places on earth where civilization has not been devleoped, you will be removed by being placed in confinement, either in a prison or a mental institution.And this was your best argument for your positions.
No threat there. All democracy and well-meaning altruism.
I'm sorry (no not really I'm just saying that) if you think this is unfair. And I get a chuckle out of your tough-little-boy bluster getting in my face about my conformist adult motivation and my boring adult character. These are not threats, simply observations on how people like you are generally treated by the civilization you have so unfortunately been caught up in. I don't like a lot of the rules either, but they're the ones that tear down civilization like overly restrictive government regulation, not the ones that support it like protecting the citizens from violence.Oh, I think you like the rules just fine.
That’s why you are here defending them.
War and the raping of foreign lands are generally done in the rare instances when people like you manage to beat the system and achieve postions of power.I know I’m “evil” while you are….”good”.
Makes sense.

The Crusades and the Inquisitions were made up of dim-witted, well-meaning, normal dullards, like yourself.
You know dimwits indoctrinated into their cultural norms and totally convinced about the righteousness of their beliefs and morality. Unable to question anything or think outside the box their parents and peers had pushed them under.

I suspect the majority of the German army during WW2 were normal, healthy, unthinking morons, like you.
“I was just following orders, your honor! I swear. I never enjoyed it once!”
What about the Iraq war these days?
All moral necessities and well-thought out motives.

Yesterday I saw a News special on TV concerning a certain pastor in the US who had an epiphany.
He could not swallow the idea of a vengeful God who sent his beloved children to eternal hell for a momentary error.

He then thought that there is no Hell and we are all destined to go to heaven because Jesus paid for all our sins.
Follow so far?

What a loving, compassionate, well-meaning epiphany, right?

Guess what the reaction by the official church and the many dullard believers was:
Yes, condemnation and ostracizing.

Know why?
Because the church depends on the threat of eternal damnation to produce discipline and adherence to her authority in her minions and moronic believers.
Without it the Church becomes irrelevant.

Ahhhhh, the human species....how wonderful it is. :rolleyes:

I have no quarrel with the assertion that civilization places pressures on humans, that it forces us to override some of our instincts with learned behaviors that are passed down by our ancestors. Nonetheless about five hundred generations of human beings have voted with their feet and continuously relocated themselves to places where civilization had taken hold, even during ancient times when there was plenty of room left to live the Neolithic lifestyle. Apparently most of us find the safety, health, comforts, conveniences and pleasures of civilized life to be well worth putting up with that pressure. If you think it's all a façade, then that's your choice.And all those billions are called the herd or the masses or sheeple.

Another instance where quantity outbids quality.
Popularity wins out again.

Here’s another primate fact, as observed by me on a documentary channel not too long ago:

Female primates routinely accept food for copulation privileges from lesser males.
Hints of prostitution, doesn’t it?
Can it be?

I know, I know prostitution is caused by dysfunctional environments and the exploitation of women by paternalistic systems.
My how sophisticated our, more primitive, cousins are. They’ve already managed to invent the exploitation of females and dysfunctional relationships.

Like I said this entire thread is a repetition of another one where female sexual power and its filtering effects could be witnessed first hand.

I briefly go into it in a thread I once called "The Feminization of Man" http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=29597.

In it I describe how females play the part of memetic and genetic gate-keepers.

Their physical and mental deficiencies are counterbalanced by their sexual powers and their control over the precious human ovum.

I know, I know, I don’t get laid, I’m bitter, I am a misogynist…blah, blah, blah….Heard it all before.

Carry on, retard.
Be content in your non-distinctness.

This is a thread more appropriate to the level of this Forum’s membership:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=56968

Rape is not a physical act; it is an act of emotional disgrace for women and must be a under capital punishment for christ sake.

/me shrugs
Rick

Rape is not a physical act; it is an act of emotional disgrace for women and must be a under capital punishment for christ sake.

/me shrugs
Rick
What about males that are raped?

Genji:

What about males that are raped?

They should take it like a man.

Genji:

They should take it like a man.
:D I Concur!

I know, I know prostitution is caused by dysfunctional environments and the exploitation of women by paternalistic systems.You're new here or you'd know I'm a flaming libertarian. I have nothing against prostitution. No acts between consenting adults should be outlawed. An adult woman who offers sex for money or favors, as a gesture of affection or camaraderie, or in return for a marriage she believes will provide a better life than she can provide on her own, should be free to make that choice, even if everyone thinks it's a mistake. But a woman who is raped while she is unconscious is not allowed to make that choice. One of the tenets of the libertarian philosophy is that no one has the right to initiate the use of force against another. If you insist that no force was used because she was already naked and lying on her back then I'd invoke another libertarian principle, that no one has the right to deceive another in order to influence their behavior. Not letting a woman know you had your way with her while she was out is deceit. We also believe that everyone has the right to decide how to treat their own bodies, so you've violated that right by sticking something into one without the occupant's consent.

You called me wrong on prostitution, but there's no generic similarity to rape. Rape is a violation of one person's basic human rights by another.

The fact that human rights are violated every day by supposedly respectable institutions pisses off a lot of people, libertarians included. But it's no excuse to say oh well we might as well give up, repeal them all, and let the bullies rule.