Would the capture of Osama Bin Laden have an impact on terrorism? If so what kind of impact?

Of course it would have an impact! Osama is the extremist Muslim icon, for god's sake. They use him as a major tool in extremist propoganda. It would be a major blow to the Muslim extremists, but it would probably only be a momentary setback.

One of the problems that I'm beginning to have is that it seems to me that "terrorism" is not nearly as coordinated an effort as some people seem to think. Some isolated incidents are labeled as "terrorism", but are probably only extremist idiots and/or murders ....maybe just for the sheer fun of it!

If everyone on Earth were to just bow down to the terrorists, I'm not even sure that they'd know what the fuck to do!! I'm not even sure that they know what they want ...they just blow up people and things because they enjoy it, just like serial killers in the western world -- "Gee, I think I'll go out tonight and kill someone!"

Baron Max

How long has he been underground now? Last I heard, he was on dialysis, is he still alive?

Remember this?

Bin Laden's voice was detected regularly until two weeks ago by intelligence operatives monitoring radio transmissions in Tora Bora, according to the Pentagon.

Since then, nothing has been heard from the al-Qa'eda leader and President Bush has hinted in private that bin Laden's silence could mean he has been killed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/28/wbin28.xml

Hi all...

It would make no difference at all if the bin liner was dead, our friend GW has seen to that.....

I think it would be a blow to terrorist organizations, but it wouldn't end it.

I think it would be a blow to terrorist organizations, but it wouldn't end it.

Which ones?

If Bin Laden is killed, he will be celebrated as a martyr and perhaps mourned by his comrades. Then another will step up to take his place. Killing or capturing one man will not rid the world of terrorism. Like the War on Drugs, the War on Terror is another fuckup invented by the U.S. government.

If Bin Laden is killed, he will be celebrated as a martyr and perhaps mourned by his comrades. Then another will step up to take his place. Killing or capturing one man will not rid the world of terrorism. Like the War on Drugs, the War on Terror is another fuckup invented by the U.S. government.
I don't think he would be celebrated as a martyr if he died from kidney problems.

Which ones?
All the Islamic ones.

It would make no difference at all if the bin liner was dead, our friend GW has seen to that.....

Yep, the more people we kill, the more terrorists we create. And well, with the count of at the very least, 60,000 Iraqi civilians killed, all I can say is "uh oh".

Oh, look up in the sky, it's an American bomb. WTF it just landed on my house and killed my family and pet goat! YOU AMERICAN BASTARDS BURN IN HELL IM GONNA PUT A JIHAD ON YOU!!!!

Yes, thank the War in Iraq for continuing the creation of terrorists.

- N

let's not forget all the countries that backed the US and provided 'evidence' of iraqs WMD.

let's not forget all the countries that backed the US and provided 'evidence' of iraqs WMD.
ESPECIALLY the netherlands.

If we kill enough Muslims, will there be any to wage Jihad?

If we kill enough Muslims, will there be any to wage Jihad?

Yes, because militantism is already brewing even more inside the U.S. -- non-Muslims, at that.

- N

Yes, because militantism is already brewing even more inside the U.S. -- non-Muslims, at that.

Where? What? And who? Please explain your assertion - 'cause just saying it does not make it so.

Baron Max

If we kill enough Muslims, will there be any to wage Jihad?

Now you're starting to sound like me .....and from the response I get here, that ain't necessarily a good thing! ...LOL!

But in answer to your question; My guess is that we'd have to kill them all, 'cause I think the very last Muslim on Earth would strap C4 to his body and walk into a peaceful wedding reception and kill the women and children!

Baron Max

That used to be how warfare was waged, they killed the whole tribe to be sure that someone wouldn't grow up to seek revenge. (not that I'm advocating such a horrendous crime)

That used to be how warfare was waged, they killed the whole tribe to be sure that someone wouldn't grow up to seek revenge. (not that I'm advocating such a horrendous crime)

That was NOT a "horrendous crime" to the victors! Remember the perspectives, Spider, ...perspective helps us understand things a bit better, and without our silly-assed biases.

Baron Max

WTF?!?! Kill every last person who doesn't think like you? Kill the innocent, the grandparents, the children, the little girl running after her pet dog. Just indiscriminately kill them all? Why? Because they don’t think like you? Therefor they are going to try and kill you?

That’s the typical rational of a warmonger.

After we have moved away from reliance on ME oil and have stopped meddling in the affairs of the ME - I’m sure they'd leave us alone.
It's really that simple.
We should not support Israel by giving them money and weapons. Their country is based on "monotheism" and I don’t see how supporting that is going to be good for the USA.

I say leave them all alone and let the monotheists have the ME to themselves.

Next: So what if some Muslims think the World is supposed to, one day, be totally Islamic. That is never ever going to happen. There isn’t even a tiny remote possibility that is ever going to happen - so why worry about it? The ME is never ever going to even come close to dreaming of rivaling the USA in economic or military power.
It will never ever happen. Never. Ever.

We need to get off the oil addiction (it is going to run out sometime you know) leave the ME, stop supporting Israel and we’d be fine.


So that just leaves the “notion” of Islam.

Do you think the majority of Americans are going to start converting to Islam?
Hardly.
It is never ever going to happen.
If anything the reverse happens. Muslims quit Islam all the time.
I know many.
It’s very very common.


So stop with the kill kill kill them all talk.
It's psychopathically insane.

WTF?!?! Kill every last person. .. .
So stop with the kill kill kill them all talk.
It's psychopathically insane.
War is insane. War is hell. Trying to fight a war while sticking to a bunch of rules only prolongs the fighting. Look at Israel in its recent conflict with Hezbolla. They did everything they could to avoid civilian casualties, and it cost them the war.

If a major WMD ever goes off in the US, I think we'll start fighting the war on Islamofascism for real. Carpet bombing, firebombing, nukes. Kill 'em all or just enough of them that those who remain surender.

If the Islamofascists had any sense, they would stop causing trouble and just lay low for fifty or one hundred years. At that point, Europe will be theirs since the Native Europeans will have aborted and birth controlled their way to extinction. Then then could have their caliphate via the democratic process. One man, one vote, one time.

WTF?!?! Kill every last person who doesn't think like you? Kill the innocent, the grandparents, the children, the little girl running after her pet dog. Just indiscriminately kill them all? Why? Because they don’t think like you? Therefor they are going to try and kill you?

That’s the typical rational of a warmonger.

After we have moved away from reliance on ME oil and have stopped meddling in the affairs of the ME - I’m sure they'd leave us alone.
It's really that simple.
We should not support Israel by giving them money and weapons. Their country is based on "monotheism" and I don’t see how supporting that is going to be good for the USA.

I say leave them all alone and let the monotheists have the ME to themselves.

Next: So what if some Muslims think the World is supposed to, one day, be totally Islamic. That is never ever going to happen. There isn’t even a tiny remote possibility that is ever going to happen - so why worry about it? The ME is never ever going to even come close to dreaming of rivaling the USA in economic or military power.
It will never ever happen. Never. Ever.

We need to get off the oil addiction (it is going to run out sometime you know) leave the ME, stop supporting Israel and we’d be fine.


So that just leaves the “notion” of Islam.

Do you think the majority of Americans are going to start converting to Islam?
Hardly.
It is never ever going to happen.
If anything the reverse happens. Muslims quit Islam all the time.
I know many.
It’s very very common.


So stop with the kill kill kill them all talk.
It's psychopathically insane.
Hear hear. There might be more isolated incidents, but after a few years of vastly reduced US intervention it would die down.

Hear hear. There might be more isolated incidents, but after a few years of vastly reduced US intervention it would die down.

Only becuase the US would be the only populated area left on the planet. Grow up and think for a milisecond. These guys attacked us back when we had a policy of leave the corrupt governements in place.

Only becuase the US would be the only populated area left on the planet. Grow up and think for a milisecond. These guys attacked us back when we had a policy of leave the corrupt governements in place.

When was that?

These guys attacked us back when we had a policy of leave the corrupt governements in place.

Where?

Where?

Bali might be a good example? And what of the Muslim terrorist killings in the Phillippines? What about in Thailand? Cambodia? Turkey? Italy? Germany? England? Spain? Morocco? Sudan? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? France?

Baron Max

Bali might be a good example? Bali is a good example of a Monotheistic society where a few Monotheists have taken this whole One-God thing a little too seriously. We have similar Xian cults in the USA. Baptists come to mind ;)

Regardless, that is Indonesia not the USA. If one should feel it is too dangerous to go there then don’t. The same may be said of some neighborhoods in NY. Every country has their criminals.

And what of the Muslim terrorist killings in the Philippines? This is a dispute over land that has been ongoing for at a minimum of 500 years. But ask yourself this: Were the Filipino Muslims (Moro) terrorists when they reisisted Spanish, American, Chinese and Japanese colonization?
What about in Thailand? Again, a fight over land. Basically Siam was the only SE Asian country not conquered by the Europeans. In order maintain independence they let British merchants have a say of what was acceptable business practice within Siam AS WELL AS conceded the southern most tip of Siam to Malaysia - a British colony. However, this wasn’t really a concession as those kingdoms historically were semi-independent only paying tribute to the Thai king.

Cambodia?Its hard to say but it seems that the Cham are people from Malaysia that migrated to work in what is Cambodia and Vietnam. After the Arabs began trading with the Malay many converted from Animalism to Islam. As the Arabs traded with the Chinese these people made contact with the Malay communitiers in SE Asia and one of the kings was converted and hence the people of Cham became Muslim. They were decimated by the Vietnamese. The upper-class religion was Hinduism and the low class Muslim. A perfect recipe for strife and that is exactly what you have,

Turkey? Again a dispute over land. The Kurds want a homeland (Western Turkey, Northern Iraq and Eastern Iran).

Italy? Germany? England? Spain? France?Yeah, this is a problem of religion. I agree, monotheistism are like sick cults. Each monotheist thinks that they are right and the world would be a better place if everyone else thought like them.
It is a very powerful meme - one our mind seems to be quite susceptible too being infected by.
Not only that but once infected it’s quite difficult to be cured. I’d say almost impossible.

Is there a solution? Probably not.

Morocco? Is there a big problem there?

Sudan? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? It’s awfully hot down there. I'd probably think God was talking to me too if I lived under that extreme heat. Reminds me of some small towns out in Texas :)

Michael

Michael, you should have read the thread a little more closely ...your post would have made more sense and been more on-topic. Wanna' try again? If so, read the few posts above mine, then answer my question, okay?

Baron Max

Michael, you should have read the thread a little more closely ...your post would have made more sense and been more on-topic. Wanna' try again? If so, read the few posts above mine, then answer my question, okay?

Baron MaxWhat I was getting at is in many of these conflicts “they” were not attacking "us". A lot of these quarrels have been ongoing for centuries BEFORE the USA was even founded.

So to focus on why we were targeted - well I think it was because we are seen as meddling in ME affairs … supporting “corrupt” governments and giving succor to Israel … and honestly we have been somewhat meddling in the ME for decades and we do support Israel.

I am sure if we get off oil, get the hell out of the ME and stop sending our tax money and missiles to Israel, brainwashed Muslim fanatics will leave us the hell alone.

As soon as we stop sending them trillions of dollars buying their oil their economies will collapse and they’ll be lucky enough to feed their burgeoning populous. With the exception of the Iranians, I really don’t think that the people of the ME have what it takes to make much of themselves anyway. They just don’t have the same work ethic, they are too religious and they don’t utilize ½ of their population.

So? What are they going to do? Unite and attack the USA?
It is never ever going to happen. Over the next 100 years they’ll lucky to feed their own.

Leave a laying dog be.

Michael

PS: Name 5 good outcomes that have come of this adventure in Iraq.