"We swore that America wouldn't live in security until we live it truly in Palestine . This showed the reality of America, which puts Israel's interest above its own people's interest. America won't get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula , and until it stops its support of Israel."

Osama bin Laden, October 2001

The leaders of the US people and their propaganda media still blather about the U.S. being hated for its FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY....they aren't telling the people the truth because the people might start asking too many questions and start connecting too many dots...all the way back to the $3 trillion that they have been shelling out to support Israeli state terrorism....

Mod note: Calling us "sheeple" is rather offensive, That use of semantics is a gross generalization and does not give credit to the many of us who do know what going on, and the many of us that have been asking questions. I don't want to hear insults like "sheeple", "amerikan", "Jows", "Killims", ect from anyone, have the respect of not name calling people, or leave!

Osama Bin Laden's primary cause was never the Palestinian one. Yes, the Palestine issue is the cornerstone of the Arab World's problems with US policy, including that of fundamentalist jihadis. But quoting Osama on Palestine is a poor choice if you wish to clarify the issues. I count Osama among the exploiters of the Palestinians' plight.

I suppose it's America's fault that Arafat walked away from the American sponsored peace talks during the end of Clinton's term?

Well UBL shows his face again, as Hype mentioned Palestine is the issue that transcends all lines in the Middle East among the Arab population. I don’t think UBL would have the broad appeal he does if it wasn’t for Palestine. UBL’s first goal was to rid Saudi Arabia of Infidels, then to overthrow the Saudi regime, then to destroy Israel, then to create an Ummah. Palestine is like Danzig, it is land that was partitioned by an international organization without considering the wishes of the people living on that land. UBL is trying to correct the wrongs committed against the Arabs in the region like Hitler did with Danzig, but the only problem is/was Israel/Poland. Like Hitler, UBL can’t create his Ummah with the middle being occupied by non-Muslims.

Arabs/Muslims/Persians saying that the Palestinian "issue" prevents peace is the same as you saying condems prevent sex.

Exactly why have Arabs/Muslims/Persians forced the Palestians into such a high population density in the Territories -- then to blame their condition on the West -- instead of long since having openly invited each and everyone of them into their own communities as the Palestinians' best defense against Israeli persecution?

Self-serving approach-avoidance?

The Crusades I think really started it.........It goes back that far.

Yob Atta

Brian Dhimmi, you're blaming America for taking a moral stand and not caving in to terror
"you see what your moral clarity and sense of justice has brought you America? now we have a crazy sheet-head trying to blow us up!!! you should've sold Israel out like Europe sold Chechoslovakia out to Hitler. Appeasement works! look at Hitler now!"

Brian Dhimmi, you're blaming America for taking a moral stand and not caving in to terror

I don’t think he did that, I think he is saying what a lot of Americans are asking themselves. Why the hell do we support Israel? There is no practical reason for doing so, and we are putting ourselves in danger because of what? It is a fair criticism that has its merits.

There is no practical reason for doing so

The reason is known as "balance of power".

The reason is known as "balance of power".

I’ve got to hear this…explain? :D

The Crusades I think really started it.........It goes back that far.

Yob Atta

Then why dont the Arabs hate the Chinese? I mean the Mongols almost whiped them off the planet :D

And OBL's real cause is to overthrow the Saudi Govt. He is using the Palastinians just like every other Muslim country who cries "oh Palastine" yet doesnt allow the Palastinians to live anywhere esle. Why doesnt Jordan, Syria, Iran, or Egypt open up their borders and give the Palastinians a safe place to live and raise their families?

WCF

I don't want to hear insults like "sheeple", "amerikan", "Jows", "Killims", ect from anyone, have the respect of not name calling people, or leave!

How about "dhimmi," then?

See:

• http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=627565 ("Dhimmi" as an insult.)
• http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=639764 ("Dhimmi" in this topic.)

What I mean to point out, WCF, is that you're committing yourself to a large effort in order to maintain the appearance of fairness if we're going to start regulating the word, "sheeple."

Besides ... if you're a Christian, "sheeple" is a compliment. ("Feed my sheeple.")

And OBL's real cause is to overthrow the Saudi Govt. He is using the Palastinians just like every other Muslim country who cries "oh Palastine" yet doesnt allow the Palastinians to live anywhere esle. Why doesnt Jordan, Syria, Iran, or Egypt open up their borders and give the Palastinians a safe place to live and raise their families?

Why doesn’t the rape victim stop complaining and just let the rapist do it, it would be so much easier wouldn’t it?

During the Cold War, it was a balance against Arab nations allied with the soviets. Now its a defender of western values in a generally hostile region. We work together to prevent the proliferation of WMD's, fight state-sponsored terrorism, prevent the disruption of middle eastern oil supplies, and counter Islamic radicalism.

Now its a defender of western values in a generally hostile region.

That’s exactly the problem; it is imposed, fake western values on the region that guess what…is not western. The only reason why that region is hostile is because of Israel. Iran defended western values as well, guess what they didn’t want it there what makes us think they are going to want it now?

We work together to prevent the proliferation of WMD's,

Yes, by giving the nations that are developing those WMD incentive to do it. Why of course, why complain about the cause, it’s only the effect that matters.

fight state-sponsored terrorism

Which is largely a response to Israel, get rid of the cause get rid of the effects.

prevent the disruption of middle eastern oil supplies,

Israel does that how? Wasn’t it America’s action in 1973 in support of Israel, that caused the oil crisis of the 70’s?

and counter Islamic radicalism.

Again what instigates that radicalism…Israel.

Nice try Spidergoat, but please learn history.