WOMEN'S LIBERATION THROUGH ISLAM.

By Mary Ali.

Moderator edit: This was a cut-and-paste from the following site:

http://www.islam101.com/women/womlib.html

Biography-Proud Muslim and strong believer in ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

Occupation-Converting mislead christians to the true faith of God: ISLAM.

Green__World , Why any good christian knows he is a ‘muslim’ & follows 'islam', submitting to Jesus. I must change occupations to, to convert all the misled to TRUE ISLAM, the Hadith of Jesus, 'yes' that is my job!.

Hey, Green, when are you going to liberate your own head and come up with some original though instead of just copying and pasting what others have said? Even we infidels can do that. And quit avoiding my thread "Problems I have with Islam." Give some original thought to it or keep your religion to yourself.

Originally posted by Green_World
[B][B]Moderator edit: see http://www.islam101.com/women/womlib.html for the original text.

Not sure I believe all that, read the following links:

http://www.aede.org/talib.html
http://www.hazara.net/taliban/revocation_of_rights/revocation_of_rights.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/891544.stm
http://www.metimes.com/2K/issue2000-34/reg/saudi_to_join.htm
http://azaz.essortment.com/pakistanwomanr_rjrs.htm
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=17404
http://www.malaysia.net/aliran/hr/js6.html
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/ASA280022000?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES%5CMALAYSIA
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/675182.stm
http://www.hrw.org/mideast/morocco.php
http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/AFR540032000?OpenDocument&of=COUNTRIES%5CSUDAN
http://www.oneworld.net/ips2/feb98/sudan.html

Originally posted by Green_World
WOMEN'S LIBERATION THROUGH ISLAM.

By Mary Ali.

VIII. CONCLUSION
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Islam is a complete way of life.

Must mean totally 'brainwashed' way of life?

There is no justice, if those in power can get away with anything:
Saudi, Malaysia, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, Syria, Libya, Algeria.

You only have the right to speak, as long as you don't say anything that will get you killed; by the gov, religious fanatics, rivals, etc.

Aughh...sweet Isis help me...another whatsupyall...

Originally posted by notPresidentAndrew
Hey, Green, when are you going to liberate your own head and come up with some original though instead of just copying and pasting what others have said? Even we infidels can do that. And quit avoiding my thread "Problems I have with Islam." Give some original thought to it or keep your religion to yourself.

MR. HYPOCRITE: you yourself are copying and pasting from anti-muslim sites.

I have GREAT time laughing at all of you seeing your ignorance and realizing how empty headed you are.

Death will come upon you and harvest your souls, you will be displayed in front of the all mighty where you will wish to be dust.

:D

Originally posted by notPresidentAndrew
Hey, Green, when are you going to liberate your own head and come up with some original though instead of just copying and pasting what others have said? Even we infidels can do that. And quit avoiding my thread "Problems I have with Islam." Give some original thought to it or keep your religion to yourself.

MR. HYPOCRITE: you yourself are copying and pasting from anti-muslim sites.

Why on earth you are replying to my threads, if you are not interested in islam, then BUG OFF and stay away from my threads.

I have GREAT time laughing at all of you seeing your ignorance and realizing how empty headed you are.

Death will come upon you and harvest your souls, you will be displayed in front of the all mighty where you will wish to be dust.

:D

I'm copy and pasting from ATHEISTIC websites to give you a taste of your own medicine. Quit avoiding the issue.

Originally posted by Randolfo
Must mean totally 'brainwashed' way of life?

There is no justice, if those in power can get away with anything:
Saudi, Malaysia, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, Syria, Libya, Algeria.

You only have the right to speak, as long as you don't say anything that will get you killed; by the gov, religious fanatics, rivals, etc.

CAN YOU NAME ME ONLY 1 AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR EVEN VICE-PRESIDENT WHO HAPPEN TO BE WOMAN ????????????????

Originally posted by Green_World


Death will come upon you and harvest your souls, you will be displayed in front of the all mighty where you will wish to be dust.

:D

Wow, if a religion claims that it must be true. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by notPresidentAndrew
[B]I'm copy and pasting from ATHEISTIC websites to give you a taste of your own medicine. Quit avoiding the issue.

So, you are admiting you are copying and PASTING ???

AUTHEISTS are just people who are living on borrowed time.

Have you ever thought about death ?? have you ever thought about what will happen to you when you die ??

Yes. Either I will see Jesus or I will just be eaten by worms. But I doubt I will see Allah, especially since Mohammad just copyed and pasted him from the Judeo-Christian tradition.

And if I do see Allah, well, refer to "NotPresidentAndrew meets Allah" for that story.

Originally posted by notPresidentAndrew
Wow, if a religion claims that it must be true. :rolleyes:

It is TRUE, you will see, how long you will live ?? 60-70-80 years !! and then ???????

You will die and you will be displayed in front of the almighty, he will tell you about the dark life you lived in this earth and he will tell you, you had the chance to believe, but you stubbornly refused, he will ask his angels to put you in the hell fire where you will live eternal life in this quite hot place and the blood will boil in your head, and when nothing remain from your body, Allah will bring you back to life and burn you again and again and again.

just wait and you will see.

My mistake. I meant to write- Wow. A religion that makes that claim must be true. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blackstone
oook..lets see what we have here...

Oooh... thats quite a generouse gift from allah to women, he stated that men and women are both human :rolleyes:
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WELL, comparing to how christians and jews were treating women before Islam, it sounds very generous.

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the only recorded event where a muslim woman pose questions to muhammad (oh the honour :rolleyes: ) was that woman who came arguing with him about problems with her husband, in (Surat Al-mujadala 58-1)...it was just about a personal matter, and i cant see whats so great in this.
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WRONG, there is other case where a woman stopped OMAR BIN ALKHATAB and told him in front of every one you are wrong, after some debate, OMAR admited he is worng and the woman was rght. AKTA' OMAR WA ASABT AL-MAR'A.
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wow, you have the NERVE to talk about the muslim woman's testimony???

why does a female testimony = half a male testimony in islam?
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Because the emotional side of the woman is far more dominant in woman than men.
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bullshit, and have no backup proof.
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MUSLIM women voted for the prophet in BAIAT ALAKABA.

MUSLIM WOMEN IN EYGPT, SYRIA, LEBANON, AND OTHER MUSLIM STATE DO VOTE..........DONT THEY ???

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lol, that "Oath" was about admitting muhammad as a prophet and stating their submittion to islamic laws, lets look at the verse:

"O prophet!when believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing with allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultry, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter, then do thou recieve thier fealty, and pray to allah for the forgivness of thier sins, for allah is oft forgiving, most merciful"

as we see above, the situation was not stating any kind of honourship given to women because that "oath" was all about women stating thier submission to muhammad and his orders.
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BULLSHITE, you know very well that this NOBLE verse cant be refuted, LOSER.

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still bullshit with no historical proof, During all the history of the arab-islamic Impirialism, the 4 khalifas, the Umayya state, the abbasi state, the moorish state, the osmani state there was never a woman that held an important position like the khalif, a minister or main Judge...only in modern islamic ages did women gain some positions but because of the [u]secular[/b] laws on these countries.
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LOSER !! WHAT ABOUT SAGARAT ALDOUR ????????????????????

what about those MUSLIM WOMEN:

Khadija bint Khuwaylid
Aishah bint Abu Bakr
Fatimah bint Muhammad
Barakah
Ramlah bint Abu Sufyan
Rumaysa bint Milhan
Umm Salamah
Asma bint Abu Bakr
Zaynab al-Ghazali
Maryum Jameelah


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this no tjust "greater financial responibilty" but clearly states that men are a higher rank than women.

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Women in Islam have the right to own and trade without permission from their husbands....where do you find this right ?

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yeah, but why didnt you state what is the share Quran say about the female's partition when she inherit from her relatives? a female's partition = half the male's partition:

"Allah directs you as regards your children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females"
(in 4:11)

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GREAT POINT, because in Islam the MALE is the one who supposed to take responsiblity for his wife, so if the male will get half and spend it on his female and the femal will get half and NOT spend it(because her male is financially responsible for providing to her), we will not get FAIR deal.....will we ?
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yeah, wive's rights :rolleyes:
The Quran allowes men to beat thier wives when they did not obey them:

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, with what Allah has made one better than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them , refuse to share their beds, beat them ; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance): for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all).
(chapter 4- verse 34)
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Moderator edit. This part was a cut-and-paste from the following site:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/beating.htm

Refution complete

i posted this link before, but green, u seem to have ignored it.. here is the article again...

Islam, Political Islam and Women in the Middle East

Maryam Namazie

Moderator edit: Long cut-and-paste of the text at the site referred to below removed.

http://www.hambastegi.org/selectedarticles/editor121.htm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sycoindian
i posted this link before, but green, u seem to have ignored it.. here is the article again...
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And you are complaining about ' copying and pasting ' ??

anyway, here is my answer:

WARNING: There are some pictures in the following link which are not suitable for childern:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/us_attack.htm

dont give me a bloodly link as your answer.. i didnt post this as a question that i wanted you to answer.... i wanted you to read it and then tell me what you thought about the article... that's it...

Originally posted by Blackstone
lol, and then islam came to free women from the evil rules of christian and jews to make them live happily under the sweet islamic sharia..oh please...
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You need to read my thread about the liberation of women in Islam.

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are you reading what you'r writing? arent we talking about muhammad here? what does omar have to do with this?
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I am talking about the respect women were given by the prophet and other khalifas.

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and whats the oh so great honor anyway in an event where a woman argue with omar about a personal or a religous matter? please answer me...the problem is that muslims find the lowest, most standard and humble rights like questioning religous/ personal matters like that woman is a great honor given to women !!
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I am not talking about that, I am talking about the fact that this woman stopped Omar and challenged him and proved him wrong.
and the FACT that he ADMITED that.
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why is a woman considered half human in islam no matter how intelligent and educated she is? why is her testimony = half male? give a convincing answer other than the classic "women are more emotional" .
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There is a widely prevailing misconception by the anti-Islamics regarding this issue. They claim that since Allah Almighty ordered courts in Islam to bring either two reliable females witness or one reliable male witness, then therefore, Islam (1) discriminates between men and women; and (2) does not consider men and women to be equal.

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:282 "O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing; let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as God Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord God, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big: it is juster in the sight of God, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear God; For it is Good that teaches you. And God is well acquainted with all things. If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, let the trustee (faithfully) discharge his trust, and let him Fear his Lord conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it, - his heart is tainted with sin. And God knoweth all that ye do."


Why did Allah Almighty order such law?

The Noble Verse above is quite clear about providing either one reliable man or 2 reliable women (in substitution to him) in any court. But why did Allah Almighty order such a law? What is the wisdom behind it?

The Noble Verse above does not in anyway talk about women's intelligence or memory capabilities or brains. It is simply talking about the women's complete integrity. Women are by far more emotional than men. This by itself will effect the woman's ACCURACY in her witness if she is asked to explain what happened in a certain event.

Let us look at few differences between men and women to understand better:

1- Women have a lot more patience and emotions in them than men. This is one of the blessings that Allah Almighty had created in women to enable them to raise children. Men do not have enough patience in them, nor enough loving emotions in them to raise children.

2- Women can easily get frightened. Man can't. It takes a lot to frighten a normal average man.

Let us look at the following Saying from Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: "The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Witnesses, Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826)"

Notice very carefully here that Prophet Muhammad said "woman's mind" and not "woman's brain". No where in any Islamic doctrine do we see any ridiculous uneducated and unscientific claim against women or anyone. The women's brains and ability to think is not what is being criticized here. It is as I said above their complete integrity. Notice how Allah Almighty said in the Noble Verse "...it is juster in the sight of God, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves...(The Noble Quran, 2:282)" So it is the perfect justice and the 100% complete accuracy that Allah Almighty is concerned about here.

In the section below you will see a situation where Allah Almighty commands for us to bring 4 reliable men or else the case is dismissed:

[/B] If it takes two women, here it takes four men for a witness [/B]

It is obvious from Noble Verse 2:282 and the Saying of our beloved Prophet above that Islam is extremely picky when it comes to justice. The slightest of doubts are not acceptable. For instance, a single man's witness is not sufficient enough to prove that an adulteress did indeed commit adultery. There has to be present 4 reliable (not just any witnesses) in order for the woman to be convicted:

"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 24:4)"

It is not so much that one man or two or even three men all together don't have the mental capability to capture a simple event of adultery done by a woman. It is the uncompromised 100% accuracy and perfection in the conviction that Islam is really picky about. What might appear as an adultery to one man, might not appear as such to another. That is why Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran ordered the Muslims to produce 4 reliable witnesses to convict the woman, or else the case is dismissed and those who made any allegations would get flogged for falsely charging a chaste woman.

Further Answer from sister Nicole Woods, a young American sister who recently embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her, regarding Noble Verse 2:282 above: "Because women have always been considered inferior and not capable of good testimonies, maybe Allah was concerned that the courts would doubt their integrity. By having two witnesses instead of one, He has assured that we will always be listened to and believed. Maybe one woman can be refuted, but not two!! :) In fact, the more witnesses, the better, but for the sake of convenience, Allah has assured us that two is enough. In a world where we are the losers because of our gender, Islam always provides a way to force others to see us as equals. Sabhunallah [Good Lord]."

The Scientific Evidence:

[Ref Noble Qur'aan 2:282]

"O you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed period, write it down. Let a scribe write it down in justice between you. Let not the scribe refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so let him write. Let him (the debtor) who incurs the liability dictate, and he must fear Allah, his Lord, and diminish not anything of what he owes. But if the debtor is of poor understanding, or weak, or is unable himself to dictate, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And the witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (for evidence). You should not become weary to write it (your contract), whether it be small or big, for its fixed term, that is more just with Allah; more solid as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves, save when it is a present trade which you carry out on the spot among yourselves, then there is no sin on you if you do not write it down. But take witnesses whenever you make a commercial contract. Let neither scribe nor witness suffer any harm, but if you do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So be afraid of Allah; and Allah teaches you. And Allah is the All-Knower of each and everything."

This particular verse has frequently been used by Christian missionary and other anti-Islaam elements as an unusual and absurd claim that has nothing to do with the issue being raised in a twisted and perverted fashion. First and foremost this verse is addressing an issue in conjunction of least ideal situation which may or may not arise. But if it does, than let us explore why?

Men and women have their gender, biological, physical, and emotional differences [to name few], which results in different medical, mental, health, and psychological conditions. Those in denial or ignorant will dispute this fact without realizing that Noble Qur'aan 1,421 years ago actually protected women forever with this very verse. Many reasons which effects women's health have been discovered by modern science in recent age and will continue to be explored in future. Let us see some of those facts which impairs a woman's everyday life not to mention concentration..

Premenstrual Syndrome
(Late Luteal Phase Dysphoric Disorder)
Premenstrual Syndrome (Late Luteal Phase Dysphoric Disorder) is a concept of which the validity has been questioned for decades. While based on clinical reality, with at least 60% of all women suffering from it, PMS has served as a tool for diminishing women, for enforcing stereotypes about their unpredictable and uncontrollable character, and for ridiculing their assertive behavior. The notion of PMS got so woven into the texture of our psycho-social fabric that many women self-diagnose themselves (or let their partners do so) without really having the disorder; while others who actually do need help go untreated because they (or their doctors) simply ""don't believe" in PMS. Stereotypes are rich soil for self-fulfilling prophecy. The best way to conquer these stereotypes is through education.


Osteoporosis
Menopause is a distinct phase of a woman's life with its own special health needs and issues. Without a doubt, the single most important concern of the post menopausal women remains osteoporosis, or thinning and brittle bones.

· Traumas

· Eating Disorders

· Health Disorders

Endometriosis
It is a painful disease that may afflict 10 percent of women of child-bearing age. Endometriosis can go undetected and untreated by the medical community and wreak havoc on the sufferer's life. Many women who suffer from endometriosis eventually undergo unnecessary hysterectomies.

Generalized Anxiety Disorder
Generalized anxiety disorder (GAD) is one of the most frequent anxiety disorders with current prevalence of 1.6% and lifetime prevalence 5.1% (Wittchen, Zhao, Kessler, & Eaton, 1994). It is a chronic condition which, despite some fluctuations, is relatively stable with continuous symptom pattern (Rickels & Schweizer, 1990; Brown, Barlow & Liebowitz, 1994). It's a state of continuous apprehension and anticipation of something horrible, characterized by excessive anxiety and unrealistic worry. It often affects social and occupational functioning and might have disruptive influence on the patients' families. The impact on the patients' perception of his/her emotional and physical well-being is great.

Panic disorder and Agoraphobia
Did you know that almost 14 % of general population suffers from one of the anxiety disorders? And did you know that the majority are women? One of the most common anxiety disorders is panic disorder with or without agoraphobia (even more common are simple phobias, such as fear of heights, darkness, animals etc.). The psychological, social and economical consequences of this disorders are enormous. Many kinds of effective treatments exist. Still, a great number of panic and agoraphobic patients struggle alone, afraid of confiding in their physicians because of the stigma attached to mental problems. Some physicians fail to recognize the symptoms. If you suffer from hyperventilation, palpitations, tingling sensations, dizziness or chest pain that suddenly come and suddenly disappear, you might be suffering from panic disorder. Wait no longer. There is help.

Relationship Issues
a.. Arguing
b.. Co-dependency
c.. Making Relationships Work
d.. Negative Thinking
e.. Sleep Hygiene

For some, falling asleep is as simple as laying back into a soft pillow. But for others, it is a frustrating process of tossing, turning and glancing nervously at the advancing clock. Whether you awake refreshed and ready to face the day or red-eyed and sluggish depends on your sleep hygiene. Sleep hygiene is your personal collection of habits that determine the quality of your sleep.

For further information check this link of American medical Association [Women's Health Issues] http://www.ama-assn.org/special/womh/womh.htm

American Medical Association http://www.ama-assn.org/

American Psychological Association [Women's Health] http://helping.apa.org/

American Psychological Association http://www.apa.org/

There are literally hundreds of mental, psychological, medical and emotional conditions that modern science has discovered that a women suffers from her birth till she dies, let alone PMS or Child birth, to death in family, or sickness or death of child of close kin. To avoid lengthy response I have provided the links above. Where one can find expert opinions and women's health info.

LET US GET LEGAL HERE:

One must note that I have used red font above in quote of verse 2:282 to distinguish and emphasize "such as you agree for witnesses" ...This part or portion of the verse also provides the liberty to parties to agree for witnesses. Which is followed by a "IF" that actually gives woman more power and guarantee for following reasons.

1. Outdoors and judiciary has historically been always men's dominated world and it still is.

2. Even in so-called free world and so-called civilized societies of Europe and USA have a glass ceiling [invisible] for women which often prevents women to advance and exercise her rights. Still women are overwhelmingly outnumbered by men in so-called democratic judicial systems [to represent or be represented] of Europe and USA let alone other parts of world.

3. Keeping the point 1 & 2 in mind verse 2:282 provides women strength by virtue of number=power, that means when a women is out numbered by men in judiciary of legal proceeding she has someone from her own gender which can be a support to her by understanding her special needs, her weaknesses, and her strengths "IF" she faces such situation.

4. Beside that this verse does not prevent a women to have a MEHRUM [father, brother, husband, or son] to be on her side. The key theme here is protection of women's right to be a witness. Does bible gives it to women? I don't think so. Please keep this fact in mind that Noble Qur'aan does say that IF one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. So "IF" is the key word not a mandate. Which proves that Qur'aan is catering the women whereas bible uses her for sex, lies and nudity.

Last but not least this particular verse [2:282] provides more protection to Muslim women which OT and NT does not at all. Christians' profound ignorance to Islaam and Noble Qur'aan is amazing. This is about time they must augment their studies with the revealed and inspired message that is to be found in the Final Revelation of God *The Noble Qur'aan*. Which will enable Christians to compare both religions and books with an open mind. Christians must get out of their inherited tunnel vision that they have so firmly established for centuries.

Such bizarre claims are nothing but a form of yellow journalism and stereotype which can make a missionary/bible thumper Christian feel better. That if bible does not make sense so does Qur'aan. But those who can reason knows very well that this is not true about Noble Qur'aan.

I already refuted your claim about this verse , that situation was a stating of submission to islamic laws, it does not hold any honorship.... If you cant accept the fact that the "Noble verses" can be refuted then its your problem.



refution complete.

School scraps head scarf ban
By Dr. Khaled M. Batrafi, Special to Arab News

http://www.arabnews.com

JEDDAH, 28 January 2003 — Jeddah Prep and Grammar School, which caused controversy by barring an Egyptian girl for wearing a head scarf (hijab), has said it is abandoning its policy of a total ban on head scarves with immediate effect.

The school adopted the decision in response to the firm stand taken by the Education Department in Jeddah and the public outcry created by the reports on the issue published by Arab News.

The school, established by the British and Dutch embassies, also contacted the father of Lujain, the girl denied entry last Ramadan for wearing the hijab, and told him his daughter could rejoin the institution.

"The school has decided to adopt a formal policy permitting the wearing of hijab with immediate effect," said Julian Johansen, chairman of the school’s board of governors, in a press statement issued on Sunday night.

Johansen said the decision was taken after consultations with the headmaster and the board members.

"Previously, the school never had to consider the issue of girl pupils wearing hijab, as the problem had not arisen," the statement said, adding, "the school continues to cooperate with the responsible authorities in the Kingdom in all aspects of its management."

"As a courtesy, Lujain’s family has been informed of this decision. They have been invited to discuss Lujain rejoining the school, if she and her family feel that is appropriate," Johansen said.

Arab News has learned that Abdullah Al-Howaimil, director of education in Jeddah, ordered an investigation of the school management to consider punishing the officials who took the controversial decision to ban hijab.

The school is under the Education Ministry’s supervision, and banning hijab is a violation of the ministry’s rules and regulations for foreign schools as well as Saudi custom and tradition.

Lujain’s father, Tarek Mohammed Muneer, told Arab News that he had been confident from the beginning that Saudi authorities would take a firm stance. He thanked Arab News for taking up the issue.

Originally posted by Green_World
refution complete. [/B]

Not only is it not complete, it's embarrassingly obvious that you didn't put any thought into it of your own. Even plagiarized though, it's not very good. Work harder next time. The laziness these days is astounding.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]Not only is it not complete, it's embarrassingly obvious that you didn't put any thought into it of your own. Even plagiarized though, it's not very good. Work harder next time. The laziness these days is astounding.
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Well Mr. hypocrite, when you and your hate-filled team get some ORIGINAL thoughts by their own and not from anti-muslim hate sites, you can bark for your right to get original answer.

In the meantime, it is business as usual.

Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]Not only is it not complete, it's embarrassingly obvious that you didn't put any thought into it of your own. Even plagiarized though, it's not very good. Work harder next time. The laziness these days is astounding.
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Well Mr. hypocrite, when you and your hate-filled team get some ORIGINAL thoughts by their own and not from anti-muslim hate sites, you can bark for your right to get original answer.

In the meantime, it is business as usual.

I have no team. Your mentality is obvious, it's you against the world and you are the poor little oppressed guy. Am I right? You are paranoid. I could care less if you believe in islam, christianity, atheism, buddhism, or the first church of the IPU. You need to get your act straight and drop the chip. Poor, poor you.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]I have no team. Your mentality is obvious, it's you against the world and you are the poor little oppressed guy. Am I right? You are paranoid. I could care less if you believe in islam, christianity, atheism, buddhism, or the first church of the IPU. You need to get your act straight and drop the chip. Poor, poor you.:
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Ok, let me put it to you in this way:

How many fanatic atheists and christians are 'fighting' with me ?you need to compare this figure with the fact that I am the ONLY Muslim here who is responding and in fact REFUTING their hate.

Having that in mind, you will see that I am doing rather a great job defending ALONE by FACTS my great faith.

Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]I have no team. Your mentality is obvious, it's you against the world and you are the poor little oppressed guy. Am I right? You are paranoid. I could care less if you believe in islam, christianity, atheism, buddhism, or the first church of the IPU. You need to get your act straight and drop the chip. Poor, poor you.:
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Ok, let me put it to you in this way:

How many fanatic atheists and christians are 'fighting' with me ?you need to compare this figure with the fact that I am the ONLY Muslim here who is responding and in fact REFUTING their hate.

Having that in mind, you will see that I am doing rather a great job defending ALONE by FACTS my great faith.

You are refuting nothing. You defend nothing. There are no fanatics fighting islam, they are bashing you because you are trolling, and you are getting the responses that you want. It is your desire to keep the flame-war going strong. You are transparent my friend.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]You are refuting nothing. You defend nothing. There are no fanatics fighting islam, they are bashing you because you are trolling, and you are getting the responses that you want. It is your desire to keep the flame-war going strong. You are transparent my friend.
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Every story has two sides my 'FRIEND'.

Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE].....Every story has two sides my 'FRIEND'. Green Muslim;

I had a couple of questions for you and I hope as good Muslim you will not lie.
No one is going to cut your hand, but it will be nice if you answer it honestly, ok.

How many sexy chick magazines have you seen and how many do you collect? What do you think of porno magazines and films? What do you do with an erection? Do you handle your prick with one hand or both?

Thanks for taking your time in the answers.
:bugeye:

Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]You are refuting nothing. You defend nothing. There are no fanatics fighting islam, they are bashing you because you are trolling, and you are getting the responses that you want. It is your desire to keep the flame-war going strong. You are transparent my friend.
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Every story has two sides my 'FRIEND'.


actually, it is probably more like 6 billion sides