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View Full Version : Women in ISLAM Versus Women in the Judaeo-Christian Tradition
Green_World 01-28-03, 07:50 AM <font color="red">Moderator edit: this post was an unacknowledged cut-and-paste from another site.</font> The text can be found here:
http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/religion/judaism-islam-xtianity-and-women/
spuriousmonkey 01-28-03, 07:51 AM nobody is interested if one religion is better than the other...they are all the same.
sycoindian 01-28-03, 08:27 AM quit bashin christianity over islam and answer some of the questions presented in the other numerous threads... fess up
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 08:40 AM Originally posted by sycoindian
quit bashin christianity over islam and answer some of the questions presented in the other numerous threads... fess up
Every time he loses an argument he goes and starts a new thread about the same damn thing. I think we should all just cut and paste responses from the identical older threads that he abandoned because he was an imbecile and work from there. If we post the end results time and again without going through the same old arguments AGAIN, then it should short fuse it.
New Life 01-28-03, 08:56 AM Green World,
The part about inheritance isnt totally accurate, nor is it BECAUSE of Christianities' traditions.........as you said in the opening, dont confuse culture and religion!
The laws about females and inheritance were not from the bible (cause at that time the bible wasn't even written yet) these laws were already in place and the writters of the bible were simply giving accounts of what happened, which is influenced by the laws at the time!
Green_World 01-28-03, 09:03 AM [QUOTE]Originally posted by New Life
[B]Green World,
The part about inheritance isnt totally accurate, nor is it BECAUSE of Christianities' traditions.........as you said in the opening, dont confuse culture and religion!
The laws about females and inheritance were not from the bible (cause at that time the bible wasn't even written yet) these laws were already in place and the writters of the bible were simply giving accounts of what happened, which is influenced by the laws at the time!
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But the laws at that time were taken from the old testament, were not they ?
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 09:09 AM Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by New Life
[B]Green World,
The part about inheritance isnt totally accurate, nor is it BECAUSE of Christianities' traditions.........as you said in the opening, dont confuse culture and religion!
The laws about females and inheritance were not from the bible (cause at that time the bible wasn't even written yet) these laws were already in place and the writters of the bible were simply giving accounts of what happened, which is influenced by the laws at the time!
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But the laws at that time were taken from the old testament, were not they ?
You nimrod, the old testament is only a few hundred years older than the koran. Laws have been in effect 4 thousand years. Both of your faiths ages combined could not come to such a number.
Green_World 01-28-03, 09:10 AM [QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]You nimrod, the old testament is only a few hundred years older than the koran. Laws have been in effect 4 thousand years. Both of your faiths ages combined could not come to such a number.
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Just quick correction:
the Quran is spelled with Q not with K. thank you.
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 09:13 AM Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]You nimrod, the old testament is only a few hundred years older than the koran. Laws have been in effect 4 thousand years. Both of your faiths ages combined could not come to such a number.
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Just quick correction:
the Quran is spelled with Q not with K. thank you.
Quick correction, I care not....I also call christians Xstans....but I bet you don't have a problem with that do you?
spuriousmonkey 01-28-03, 09:15 AM from www.dictionary.com
kuran
Koran \Ko"ran\ (?; 277), n. [Ar. gor[=a]n. See Alcoran.] The Scriptures of the Mohammedans, containing the professed revelations to Mohammed; -- called also Alcoran. [Written also Kuran or Quran.]
Green_World 01-28-03, 09:16 AM [QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]Quick correction, I care not....I also call christians Xstans....but I bet you don't have a problem with that do you?
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Not at all, but it is universaly known as the Quran.
spuriousmonkey 01-28-03, 09:18 AM Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]Quick correction, I care not....I also call christians Xstans....but I bet you don't have a problem with that do you?
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Not at all, but it is universaly known as the Quran.
it depends on the language. Just as the bible is not bible in every language
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 09:23 AM Did I mention I don't care.:confused: Green, you have no right to correct anyone or anything. You have lost any semblance of respect with your childish ranting and your habit of cutting and pasting your arguments from fundamentalist sites. You are no different than the last nut that got sent along this week, posting BS from sites that make the fringe look conservative and weak debate abilities. You are a child, and as such, only given 50% of the value of a normal poster. For ever how long that remains, that is.:)
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 09:24 AM Originally posted by williamwbishop
Did I mention I don't care.:confused: Green, you have no right to correct anyone or anything. You have lost any semblance of respect with your childish ranting and your habit of cutting and pasting your arguments from fundamentalist sites. You are no different than the last nut that got sent along this week, posting BS from sites that make the fringe look conservative and weak debate abilities. You are a child, and as such, only given 50% of the value of a normal poster. For ever how long that remains, that is.:)
See, now you can't even walk beside one woman or you are among your equals(by your faith, by reality, you would meet your match if you walked beside a stroller).
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 09:29 AM Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]You nimrod, the old testament is only a few hundred years older than the koran. Laws have been in effect 4 thousand years. Both of your faiths ages combined could not come to such a number.
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Just quick correction:
the Quran is spelled with Q not with K. thank you.
And you still failed to redirect the discussion, you know the one where you were so sure that you were right and you were so WRONG. Anybody with even a modicum of learning knows that the first legal documents regarding inheritance that we have RECORDED date from prior to 2500 B.C. Did I mention they read like legal documents of today?
Green_World 01-28-03, 09:29 AM [QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]See, now you can't even walk beside one woman or you are among your equals(by your faith, by reality, you would meet your match if you walked beside a stroller).
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:o
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 09:35 AM Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]See, now you can't even walk beside one woman or you are among your equals(by your faith, by reality, you would meet your match if you walked beside a stroller).
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:o
Let me guess, you were trying to set up some dumb christian with the inheritance bait huh. Sorry if I ruined your fun. You just got an atheist instead.:D
Green_World 01-28-03, 09:48 AM [QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]Let me guess, you were trying to set up some dumb christian with the inheritance bait huh. Sorry if I ruined your fun. You just got an atheist instead.
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:o
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 09:53 AM Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]Let me guess, you were trying to set up some dumb christian with the inheritance bait huh. Sorry if I ruined your fun. You just got an atheist instead.
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:o
Can it be?:eek: Is he truly struck dumb? OMG! Someone pinch me.:bugeye:
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 09:54 AM And by dumb, I mean mute, the other kind of dumb is already self-evident, and needs no more example.
notPresidentAndrew 01-28-03, 10:20 AM I consider myself to be a Christian (although others tell me I'm not), but I don't believe the Genesis account is an accurate description of the orgins of the world. I must agree that blaming Eve for the fall of mankind is sexist, and have pointed that out to many fundamentalist Christians.
Microzoft 01-28-03, 12:09 PM Originally posted by Green_World
[QUOTE]Originally posted by williamwbishop
[B]Quick correction, I care not....I also call christians Xstans....but I bet you don't have a problem with that do you?
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Not at all, but it is universaly known as the Quran.
THE BIG MUSLIM SAYS NO WOMEN, so let ther be no women!!
http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/042702dnnatsaudis.93e5d.html
Air controllers: Saudi wanted only men
Dallas Morning News 27 April 2002
Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah's representatives asked that women be barred from air traffic control duties when he traveled Thursday to Central Texas for a summit with President Bush, several Texas aviation officials say. The request, honored on portions of the prince's flights between Houston and Waco, has angered some Texas air traffic personnel.
Pathetic!:D
Microzoft 01-28-03, 12:13 PM http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26357
U.S. hostages in Saudi Arabia
WorldNet Daily 7 February 2002
For the last 16 years, two American citizens have spent their childhood – and now their early adulthood – captive in Saudi Arabia without so much as a whimper of meaningful protest from U.S. officials, nor the attention of the media. It's a scandal that exposes the charade of America's supposed concern about women's rights – which we have heard so much about since the war in Afghanistan. I'm talking about the plight of Alia and Aisha al-Gheshayan. They were kidnapped, abducted, stolen from their mother's care in a Chicago suburb in 1986, in defiance of a U.S. court order, by their father, Khalid al-Gheshayan when they were 7 and 3 respectively. Today, they are adult women – and still prevented from leaving the Saudi kingdom, where women have no rights. Alia, now 23, has been married off to a cousin of her father. Plans are in place to marry off Aisha, 19.
:rolleyes:
Microzoft 01-28-03, 12:17 PM http://www.au.org/press/pr012202.htm
Islamic Lessons In California Public School Cross Church-State Line, Charges Americans United
Americans United for Separation of Church and State 22 January 2002
Americans United for Separation of Church and State has contacted school officials in California, raising legal questions about a seventh-grade class in which students were asked to adopt Muslim names, dress in Islamic clothing and memorize Islamic prayers.
In a letter to the Byron Excelsior School, and the superintendent of the Byron Union School District, Americans United charges the religious exercises, part of an effort to teach students "about" religion, crossed the legal line and must be discontinued.
:rolleyes:
Microzoft 01-28-03, 12:20 PM WND gets death threats, advertisers targeted
WorldNet Daily 18 October 2002
Newssite's coverage of terror results in intimidation campaign
In response to its recent reporting on Islamic terrorism, WorldNetDaily has become the target of death threats, lawsuit threats, and an ongoing campaign of intimidation against its advertisers and business partners. Since Sept. 11, WorldNetDaily.com and its monthly print magazine, Whistleblower, have featured in-depth coverage of the militant Islamic threat to America, including the presence within the United States of radical Muslim individuals and organizations with ties to known terror groups.
:bugeye:
Microzoft 01-28-03, 12:21 PM http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/250202/dlfor39.asp
Islamic schools in US teach hatred for non-Muslims
Hindustan Times February 25 2002
Saudi and Pakistani textbooks taught in the Islamic schools across America teach hatred for Christians, Jews and non-Muslims in general, with their maps not showing Israel or the name "Israel" blacked out and replaced by "Palestine."
:rolleyes:
Microzoft 01-28-03, 12:24 PM http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26545
American Islamic lobby gets out the vote
Expert: 'Ultimately they want to make the U.S. a Muslim country'
WorldNet Daily Posted: February 21, 2002
A controversial American Islamic advocacy group has planned a voter registration drive to coincide with the upcoming Muslim holiday at the end of the pilgrimage to Mecca.
:rolleyes:
Microzoft 01-28-03, 12:27 PM http://www.dawn.com/2002/07/06/top18.htm
Muslim marriage contract upheld
The Dawn, 5 July 2002
In first substantive decision on Islamic Law, a US judge has ruled that a religious, dowry-style contract signed by two Muslims at their marriage is enforceable upon their divorce. Superior court judge John Selser in New Jersey enforced the mahr agreement that a Palestinian couple, Houida Saadeh and her husband Zuhair Odatalla, signed on their wedding day, finding that aspects of the religious code were acceptable under "neutral principles of law."
Abed Awad, who represented Houida Saadeh, hailed the ruling as a breakthrough. "It essentially sets the stage for Islamic mahr agreements to be considered valid contractual obligations which are enforceable. And this particular ruling is the most consistent with Islamic Law."
:D
williamwbishop 01-28-03, 01:15 PM Playing him at his own game? Shouldn't be hard, it's not like there aren't thousands upon thousands of articles on islam and it's wacky followers.;)
Microzoft 01-29-03, 06:47 AM Yes!.. you are right, this sucker is going to drown in his own saliva.:D
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