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Saint
03-30-11, 09:15 PM
Why do some people like to torture small animals like cats or dogs?
What is wrong with their mind and temperament that they like to do so?
To inflict agony on animals?
How to advise these people from not doing it?

chimpkin
03-30-11, 09:20 PM
You call the police on them.

Saint
03-30-11, 09:40 PM
In Malaysia, the law is not strict on this offence.
Basically nobody cares.
I always heard the dog of my neighbour at the back bark in agony,
I guess it was tortured, it is painful barking.
What can I do?
Go and investigate?
I have no right to do so.

Back to the question, Why people like to torture animals? What kind of psycho they have?

chimpkin
03-30-11, 09:57 PM
Why? because they are gratified somehow at hurting something in their power.

leopold
03-30-11, 10:10 PM
Why do some people like to torture small animals like cats or dogs?
because they don't have the balls to torture lions and bears.

What is wrong with their mind and temperament that they like to do so?
To inflict agony on animals?
probably the same thing that is wrong with a mind that wants to shit and piss on people.

drumbeat
03-30-11, 10:14 PM
probably the same thing that is wrong with a mind that wants to shit and piss on people.
:D

I was just going to say this.

birch
03-30-11, 10:20 PM
the same reason people hurt other people or are bullies.

some like to do it just to control or overpower others or in some cases, take something from them.

spidergoat
03-30-11, 10:21 PM
How to advise these people from not doing it?



http://www.sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=70&pictureid=776

chimpkin
03-30-11, 10:26 PM
I concur with Spidergoat.

livingin360
03-30-11, 11:00 PM
next time you hear it happen man up with a baseball bat and figure out whats going on and put justice into your own hands. Just don't forget to wear a mask.

livingin360
03-30-11, 11:02 PM
http://www.sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=70&pictureid=776

Primitive justice did a world of good in the wild west. If Malaysia's laws aren't up to date justice should be taken in the hands of the citizens.

fatal
03-31-11, 12:04 AM
Justice is in the eyes of the beholder. It's a concept created by the human mind. Depending on the mentality of the "citizens," primitive justice can be anything but that. Ever heard of lynchings?

In response to the original question, the mentality of these people is not easily pin pointed. Every brain processes things differently with different neural connections that make them think in certain ways.

birch
03-31-11, 12:08 AM
Justice is in the eyes of the beholder. It's a concept created by the human mind. Depending on the mentality of the "citizens," primitive justice can be anything but that. Ever heard of lynchings?

In response to the original question, the mentality of these people is not easily pin pointed. Every brain processes things differently with different neural connections that make them think in certain ways.

right. except i would like to hear this come out of your mouth if it was you who was the victim.

kinda doubt it.

Saint
03-31-11, 12:31 AM
http://www.sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=70&pictureid=776

So fas as I know, no Law says man must die for torturing animals.
Only compound is needed to pay for the wrong doing.

Malaysia is an Islamic country, dog is not "halal" in Islam,
so the muslims are cruel to dog,
dogs found to not have license can be shot to death by personnel from Wild animal Department. :eek:

fatal
03-31-11, 12:31 AM
You are absolutely right to be doubtful. Because if I was the victim I wouldn't take a neutral viewpoint on the issue. I would react according to what I thought would be appropriate coming from the victim viewpoint. Please make no mistake that I am not defending anybody for their actions.

Saint
03-31-11, 12:33 AM
because they don't have the balls to torture lions and bears.


Not true, though men can not fight directly with Lions or Tiger, but we have other methods to subdue them, keep them in cage and starve them for 7 days without water and food. :D

Saint
03-31-11, 12:34 AM
To piss and shit on people's faces is intolerable,
people will sue you to court.
:D

Saint
03-31-11, 12:37 AM
most malaysian muslims hate dog and kill dog,
when I was small, I got an Indian neighbor, he kept a small breed dog,
he did not register a license to keep the dog,
the animal department people one day came and found his dog "illegal",
and pulled the dog out of his door, he was begging but useless,
the malay guy opened fire and shot the dog death in front of its master.

Does that sound terrible.
This incident happened 30 years ago when I was 6 years old, I always recall this incident when talking about dog.

birch
03-31-11, 12:47 AM
most malaysian muslims hate dog and kill dog,
when I was small, I got an Indian neighbor, he kept a small breed dog,
he did not register a license to keep the dog,
the animal department people one day came and found his dog "illegal",
and pulled the dog out of his door, he was begging but useless,
the malay guy opened fire and shot the dog death in front of its master.

Does that sound terrible.
This incident happened 30 years ago when I was 6 years old, I always recall this incident when talking about dog.

in poorer countries, animals are seen as an extra burden and nuisance. it's another mouth to feed when they can barely feed themselves or it's seen as food, unfortunately.

Saint
03-31-11, 12:50 AM
In Malaysia, dog is not halal, cat is halal.

You do not need license to keep cat, but you need one for dog.
Do you think this is discrimination against dog?
The reason given by our local government is basically dog can attack people, cat does not attack people, dog can bite people to death,
so dog is a much more "dangerous animal" than cat.

Therefore, dog has a lower status in Malaysia than cat.

Saint
03-31-11, 12:51 AM
in poorer countries, animals are seen as an extra burden and nuisance. it's another mouth to feed when they can barely feed themselves or it's seen as food, unfortunately.

Food? Are you sure people will eat cat or dog?

birch
03-31-11, 12:59 AM
The reason given by our local government is basically dog can attack people, cat does not attack people, dog can bite people to death,

society's attitudes or views carry over from the past or past experience.

the reason why dogs are seen as randomly attacking others is because of their experience with wild dogs running loose. impoverished places could barely feed themselves. it was either food or a guard dog, not really a pet. in a poor country or was recently a poor country that attitude or view would still be prevalent.


Food? Are you sure people will eat cat or dog?

are you kidding me? of course. it's just that because of western influence, people tend to view dogs and cats more and more as pets.

leopold
03-31-11, 01:13 AM
Justice is in the eyes of the beholder. It's a concept created by the human mind. Depending on the mentality of the "citizens," primitive justice can be anything but that. Ever heard of lynchings?
yes, it's called vigilante justice.
let's just hope you don't happen to look like the town pervert.
justice is not a science and it hardly follows any kind of playbook.
justice is the art of fair play.

SomethingClever
03-31-11, 02:48 AM
Justice is in the eyes of the beholder. It's a concept created by the human mind. Depending on the mentality of the "citizens," primitive justice can be anything but that. Ever heard of lynchings?

In response to the original question, the mentality of these people is not easily pin pointed. Every brain processes things differently with different neural connections that make them think in certain ways.

Your objectivity is admirable, but don't you think humans possess a sort of universal moral conscious? Or am I living in fantasy land?
(obviously some folks wires are crossed, or shitty lives have led them to betray this moral conscious, but as a general rule, I like to think it exists)

p.s. Wow, a thought just stopped me in my tracks. I was about to call animal torture sadistic, but ten minutes ago I ate a chicken sandwich--- talk about a hypocrite!

birch
03-31-11, 03:16 AM
Your objectivity is admirable

actually this is incorrect. with the nature of this issue, it's only admirable or true if one can put themselves to the test.

it's easy to be objective when your ass isn't on the line. who the hell can't do that?

besides, it's a false assumption that all objective statements are true.


(obviously some folks wires are crossed, or shitty lives have led them to betray this moral conscious

for once and for all, let me set the record straight because it makes me angry at society to be this blind.

there are people who do evil (hurt others) on purpose. there are no 'crossed wires' involved. secondly, there are people who have had very shitty lives who are good people even though. thirdly, there are people who have had good lives who don't have a moral conscience either.

got it this time?? good.

Syzygys
03-31-11, 05:27 AM
Why do some people like to torture small animals

Because torturing big animals can be dangerous....

Stoniphi
03-31-11, 06:36 AM
Part of the reason cats were originally domesticated was as guard animals. "Persian" cats were the king's personal body guards and would kill an assassin.

People do to dogs and cats what they wish to do to other people. Many who torture animals are practicing to do humans. My dog is a family member. Harming her is the same as harming my wife or my child in my opinion - and I do not care one little bit if you disagree with me.

I agree with Spidey, so does my .357.

Saint
03-31-11, 06:58 AM
Part of the reason cats were originally domesticated was as guard animals. "Persian" cats were the king's personal body guards and would kill an assassin.

People do to dogs and cats what they wish to do to other people. Many who torture animals are practicing to do humans. My dog is a family member. Harming her is the same as harming my wife or my child in my opinion - and I do not care one little bit if you disagree with me.

I agree with Spidey, so does my .357.

you are civilised

spidergoat
03-31-11, 09:30 AM
So fas as I know, no Law says man must die for torturing animals.
Only compound is needed to pay for the wrong doing.

Malaysia is an Islamic country, dog is not "halal" in Islam,
so the muslims are cruel to dog,
dogs found to not have license can be shot to death by personnel from Wild animal Department. :eek:

Thank you for illustrating yet another detrimental effect of religion. It causes animal abuse.

Saint
03-31-11, 10:28 AM
Thank you for illustrating yet another detrimental effect of religion. It causes animal abuse.

i am not exagerating, it is really true that Islam considers dog is unclean animal, and so muslim by right can not rear dog.
they will treat dog cruelly.

Fraggle Rocker
03-31-11, 10:33 AM
Food? Are you sure people will eat cat or dog?In the Philippines dog meat was considered a delicacy quite recently and probably still is in the more remote regions. There was a big furor in Los Angeles about fifteen years ago when a Filipino family society was planning their annual get-together, and the flyers showed a dog on a barbecue spit. This was taken from a clip-art library in the Old Country, and they had no intention of actually cooking a dog for the picnic. But they had no objection to the image and were surprised by the negative publicity.

In Korea, dogs were eaten as recently as 40 years ago.

Dogs were domesticated in the Stone Age, but I have never seen an archeological report on whether or not they were used as food. They had jobs to do (guarding, hunting, cleaning up the garbage), but still they reproduced so readily that there was surely a surplus population that might have been eaten.

In the West, dogs are one of the very few animals we consider too close to us to eat. We feel the same way about monkeys and apes. In America and many other Western countries we don't eat horses, but in some, like France, horsemeat is regularly consumed.

In the rest of the world, there is no such universal tabu against eating dogs, or even raising them as food animals.

My Chinese girlfriend told me that cats were occasionally eaten as a delicacy in China, but that was in her childhood, before WWII. I'm sure in the 1960s, when millions of people starved to death under Mao's incompetent leadership, they would have eaten anything that moved. Even if I were starving I would not eat my dogs. I would rather die than live with that horrible memory, and become someone I would hate for the rest of my life. But I can't bring myself to be critical of people who would make the opposite decision in a crisis.

We routinely euthanize millions of surplus dogs in this country, because some Americans are too stupid to have their pets sterilized. If there were a famine, I suppose I could not object to people using those animals as food, although I still doubt that I could do it.

I don't have the temperament to survive hard times. That's why I'm a pacifist. :)

Saint
03-31-11, 10:44 AM
i dont think dog meat is delicious.

tashja
03-31-11, 11:37 AM
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spidergoat
03-31-11, 11:39 AM
I would eat a dog, but I wouldn't make it suffer.

Fraggle Rocker
03-31-11, 12:37 PM
i dont think dog meat is delicious.The brain builds complicated synapses based upon the way we live. We've spent our entire lives (those of us in Western countries, anyway) reinforcing the status of dogs as friends, loved ones, even second-class citizens with certain rights. The smell of cooked dog meat will very likely trigger the gag reflex, just as the smell of burnt human flesh will.

GI's who were stationed in Korea during the Korean civil war sometimes had to march past places where people were cooking dog meat. Some of them couldn't stop themselves from throwing up when they smelled the odor.

spidergoat
03-31-11, 12:51 PM
You mean it tastes like dogs smell? I wouldn't have thought that.

Fraggle Rocker
03-31-11, 01:37 PM
You mean it tastes like dogs smell? I wouldn't have thought that.You've never had goat milk, I take it?

spidergoat
03-31-11, 01:50 PM
Oh. I had a dish in an Thai restaurant that tasted like dog, I had to send it back, it was repulsive.

Lori_7
03-31-11, 01:50 PM
In Malaysia, the law is not strict on this offence.
Basically nobody cares.
I always heard the dog of my neighbour at the back bark in agony,
I guess it was tortured, it is painful barking.
What can I do?
Go and investigate?
I have no right to do so.

Back to the question, Why people like to torture animals? What kind of psycho they have?

don't be such a pussy for god's sake. what do you mean you have no right? your neighbor has no right to abuse an animal! your neighbor deserves an ass-kicking and so do you for not doing your part.

ULTRA
03-31-11, 03:42 PM
Get a bloody grip and if you're not man enough to do something about it call someone who is. That animal is suffering because you apparently don't know how to use a phone. Grow a braincell, for Gods' sake.

Saint
03-31-11, 04:16 PM
yeah, get police involved

fatal
04-01-11, 01:20 AM
society's attitudes or views carry over from the past or past experience.
This is called learning. Learning is the creation of new neural connections in the brain. The people of this man's country have been taught that dogs are bad creatures so they treat them negatively, while people out west have been taught dogs are man's best friend and treat them positively. Someone's sense of Justice can go from one end of the spectrum to the other just like this example of animal treatment. Therefore I conclude justice, just like the opinion on dogs, is merely a concept created by people based on their positive and negative feelings on issues.

Right will instill positive feelings while wrong instills negative. When you have positive feelings, your brain is receiving good chemicals that keep it healthy. Having fun, laughing, sex, friendships, are causes of these positive chemicals that your body creates. Negative feelings such as the death of a loved one, being outcasted, stress, hate, all produce toxic chemicals in the brain that literally can shorten your life. Stress can and will kill you if you receive to much.

Now note, if you are taught something is right and you do the "right" thing, your parents normally praise you or give you a cookie or some damn thing and you feel good about it. Repeatedly your brain will learn this sense of right and remember the positive feelings you got from it and release the good chemicals. Same thing goes for a sense of wrong, just the exact opposite occurs.



justice is not a science and it hardly follows any kind of playbook.


Thats pretty much what I said....its in the eyes of the beholder meaning the playbook can get changed with each person. So there is no established playbook on it.


Your objectivity is admirable, but don't you think humans possess a sort of universal moral conscious? Or am I living in fantasy land?
(obviously some folks wires are crossed, or shitty lives have led them to betray this moral conscious, but as a general rule, I like to think it exists)

p.s. Wow, a thought just stopped me in my tracks. I was about to call animal torture sadistic, but ten minutes ago I ate a chicken sandwich--- talk about a hypocrite!

Finally a thought out response and not a quick and snippy one. The thought of a universal moral conscious definitely makes me think. A very good question. In support of the question it could be true if the common genetics has this sort of thing hardwired into our brains. I have a few hypothesis' but in real response to your question, I'm not sure if there is a universal moral conscious I'll do some more research on this question later and get back to you with a more solid opinion.


actually this is incorrect. with the nature of this issue, it's only admirable or true if one can put themselves to the test.

What exactly are you challenging me to do? Putting myself to the test? I'm afraid I really don't understand your narrow sighted posts. I am simply giving you an understanding of how the human mind works. I am not condoning anything, and I am not defending anybody. I have already stated this. I will be happy to use caps if need be.







for once and for all, let me set the record straight because it makes me angry at society to be this blind.

there are people who do evil (hurt others) on purpose. there are no 'crossed wires' involved. secondly, there are people who have had very shitty lives who are good people even though. thirdly, there are people who have had good lives who don't have a moral conscience either.

got it this time?? good.

You seem to have a black and white view of things and over simplified people way to much.

birch
04-01-11, 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by birch
for once and for all, let me set the record straight because it makes me angry at society to be this blind.

there are people who do evil (hurt others) on purpose. there are no 'crossed wires' involved. secondly, there are people who have had very shitty lives who are good people even though. thirdly, there are people who have had good lives who don't have a moral conscience either.

got it this time?? good.

You seem to have a black and white view of things and over simplified people way to much.

excuse me?? i was replying that it is not black and white as most people assume. it is not just a shitty upbringing that creates those 'bad' people and a good upbringing produces those 'good' people. even using the examples of general attitudes among some cultures toward certain animals, there will be those who are just more compassionate or inclined to like animals no matter the prevailing views or whether their lives are shitty.

don't twist things around and accuse someone exactly of what they are not doing. that's really unethical intellectual dishonesty.

you can get banned on this forum for it.



What exactly are you challenging me to do? Putting myself to the test? I'm afraid I really don't understand your narrow sighted posts. I am simply giving you an understanding of how the human mind works. I am not condoning anything, and I am not defending anybody. I have already stated this. I will be happy to use caps if need be.


you edited your post at the exact time i was replying to remove that it was not evil. i just said i doubt that would come out of your mouth if you were the victim and it's easy to make statements like that when one is not in that situation.

besides, if someone were to kill and rob someone that you love, i wonder what you would call that. i really doubt you would wax on philosophically that it's not evil. maybe you have another word for it.
lol

besides, my posts are rarely narrow-sighted. it's just more realistic. lol


I am simply giving you an understanding of how the human mind works.

right. and you are assuming you understand it better with your lack of playbooks and 'eyes of the beholder'. that was brilliant. i really didn't know that. lol

so if i smack you across the face, i can tell you there is nothing wrong with it from my point of view. lol

or will you need mommy and daddy to clue you in on whether this is right or wrong to you with reinforcement with cookie or not? lol.


This is called learning. Learning is the creation of new neural connections in the brain.

thanks for that. i didn't know that either. lol

fatal
04-01-11, 11:43 PM
Ya I really don't think you are understanding my point....at all.

Let me rephrase it as simple as I can. Everybody's different, everyone's mind works differently because it is programmed (lack of a better word) differently.
This is based more on scientific fact.

Justice, time, right, wrong are concepts made up by people.
Observe nature, animals don't give a crap about the stuff I just mentioned.

Anyway I'm discontinuing the discussion with you because you are beginning to just basically be a dick and not offer anything insightful. This isn't the reason I signed onto this forum.

keith1
04-02-11, 12:10 AM
A raccoon got into the summer cage of my fat guinea pig, and carried him off screaming...a scream embedded in my memory.
It's the torture of being in a food chain...

birch
04-02-11, 12:23 AM
Ya I really don't think you are understanding my point....at all.

Let me rephrase it as simple as I can. Everybody's different, everyone's mind works differently because it is programmed (lack of a better word) differently.
This is based more on scientific fact.

Justice, time, right, wrong are concepts made up by people.
Observe nature, animals don't give a crap about the stuff I just mentioned.

Anyway I'm discontinuing the discussion with you because you are beginning to just basically be a dick and not offer anything insightful. This isn't the reason I signed onto this forum.

it's very easy, one can just ignore me. there is even an ignore option which is not available in real life. lol

thank you for reminding me that everyone's mind works different. yet, i've still not met a person that wasn't into self-preservation unless they were insane. so your point is kinda disingenuous by overlooking that.

i have observed nature and animals, same thing. they don't need to read your post to know they don't want to get screwed over. doesn't seem like your idea makes much sense. lol

i did understand the point about conditioning though but a lack of empathy for an animal versus torturing an animal just for that sake is a bit different. there are westerners who do that too. even western culture has lack of empathy for many types of lifeforms that are not their pets so abusive just by default. i do know the western hypocrisy in regard to animals.

i also did mention wild dogs or ones that are not domesticated since they are more apt to see people as foes or bite them, therefore people will view them negatively in a culture that is not pet-oriented.

SomethingClever
04-02-11, 03:55 AM
Birch- you make some really interesting points, but what's with the attitude?
Isn't there a way to express your opinion without the hostility?
maybe you just need a hug???

cosmictraveler
04-02-11, 07:27 AM
If anyone would want to torture any animals do it to themselves first and see if they enjoy it, if they do then they should continue doing it to themselves because they are the only animals that would enjoy such things.

Saint
04-02-11, 10:45 AM
If anyone would want to torture any animals do it to themselves first and see if they enjoy it, if they do then they should continue doing it to themselves because they are the only animals that would enjoy such things.

human is selfish, he/she will not put himself/herself in the shoes of animals

Dinosaur
05-04-11, 09:39 PM
Even in a culture with little or no respect for certain (or all) animals, there is a difference between killing an animal & torturing it. At best a person who tortures an animal is psychologically or emotionally impaired & should be viewed as not playing with a full deck.

In a culture like suburban USA, a person who tortures animals is a psychopath who has the potential to become a serial killer. Even if torture is not involved, a person from a decent cultural environment who kills an animal for no apparent reason is at best neurotic & likely to be psychotic.

I do not consider it to be hypocritical to be willing to kill an animal for human consumption or to kill rats as potentially bad for my immediate environment while not being willing to kill or condone the killing of dogs, cats, squirrels, or various other animals.

I have misgivings about hunting & would not do it, but make allowances for cultural conditioning. I have some respect for a hunter who goes to a lot of trouble to track down a wounded animal & put it out of its misery.

Saint
05-05-11, 05:23 AM
how about hunting fox?