Tsunami victims robbed by their own governments (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050209/D884SG400.html). And people wonder why the US is so cautious about giving aid to disaster victims.

There goes a little more of the faith I have in humankind. And some people wonder why I am such a cynic.

And if the United Nations officials stealing from the Iraqi children under the Oil-for-Food program wasn't enough.........

Dont forget that the US knew about that and proffited from it Marv............

Im a cynic aswell. you can expect to find total bastards anywhere you look, its worst when they have power or responsobilities.

Like this:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/file_on_4/4216853.stm

exactlly like that...

There are four things you know for sure in life:

Taxes, Death, Sleep, and corruption.

If you think the 3rd world is corrupt alone, think again.

Of course, the third world is largely being shaped by the actions of the first world. Therefore I wouldn't easily blame the third world for their specific corruption problems myself.

Some of these regions have acted like this for longer than there has even been a first world. Can't pin this one on us.

Acted like what?

I think you are presuming something here that might be unfounded.

Humans are corrupt and selfish by nature.

Well, many humans are corrupt and selfish by nature. Many more are'nt. The trick is how to recognise each kind.

offer them a bribe.

South America was worshiping human cannibalism (not merely to give thanks to the gods but to emulate them).

Africa was a mix of tyranny and anarchy.

America was and is a mix of people who dont agree with the rest of the world, and worshiping capitolist wars for profit. (not merely to give thanks to the gods but to emulate them) and its becoming a mix of tyranny and anarchy aswell.

You're not even on topic...

The US is the very CORE of the First World.

The self proclaimed core... but whatever floats your boat.. again thats opinion. and that ^ is my argument against it.

No more or less self proclaimed then a bird saying it can fly.

We are the dominent force anyway you look at it. Political, economic, cultural, technological, scientific, and yes... military. Do we have rivals... yes. But no superiors. If you had to choose one country as the core, you could only choose the US. It isn't china dispite her large military. It isn't any european country dispite their many rival positions or even the EU which is quite strong on many levels. If you had to choose one nation as the core, the US is it. The US is the Core state.


You resent that fact, but your resentment is irrelevant.

you stated what makes a country part of the thrid world I gave you a comparrison to theu united states for you to think about . as for cultural superiority dont make me laugh, if you were able to force cultural change on other countries the world would be long gone by now, Scientific, I doubt that aswell since most of your scientists are foreigners, France holds the best mathematical reserch in the world, russia still has the most developed reserch in fluid dynamics and physics... oh and i remember that the 3 kids who won the american science olympics.. was on fox a while ago.. were all From asian countries. Ill admit that america has Economic , technological and military superiority over a given country. Although in sence of their national debt .. if they were forced to pay up the economy would collapse.

Name one nation that is the core state if we are not?

As I've said, we have competition, but no superiors.

There is no core state you either first or third world.

Actually, no.

This is the old way of breaking countries up
There is a first, second, and third world.

This is the new way of breaking them.
There is also a hegemonic power, core countries, semi-periphery, and periphery.

The US has been the hegemonic power since about 1945... The British Empire was the hegemonic power before then.

When you hear people use terms like the “developing” world and “developed” world. That’s a lay system that isn’t used for anything but the public at large or media… it’s PC.


Frankly, these are just ways of analyzing the world though… They’re useful because they’re good at describing how international politics and economic work. But it doesn’t mean that any nation buys into it… it’s more that the system buys into them then they buy into it. If you get what I mean.

So whats the core state of the third world then? where all the evil.. poor people and undevelopment come from.

That's a contriction in terms... The hegemonic state is the head of the core states... the core states are over the semi periphery, and that is over the periphery.


Think about it... doe anyone compete to be the best third world country? No. You compete to be a second world country. Do you compete to be the best second world country? No. You compete to be a first world country. Then to the hegemonic state. The core of the core.

So anyway... whos the core of the third world I want to know.. because I would sure be compeating for it. ok fine who is the closest out of the third world to becoming the second world, because that sure must be compeated for.

Karmashock . . . Because of marxists, hegemony has become a bad word among the general public. As you know, it is neutral. China is probably the largest country to give up the idea of being a hegemonic state. In the early 15th c, their fleet (far larger than all the European navies combined) reached east Africa--maybe further. It wasn't worth the cost to them. They pulled back into China. Japan has done very well under US hegemony. What is better than to have a cop on the beat who keeps trade routes open and does it for free?

Unless it is a bad cop. But being a bad cop is not in the interest of the country which pays for the cop.

First, I just told you... there is no center to anything but the core. It's like asking who who's the best guy on the factory assembly line. It's a question that just by asking it demonstrates that you don't understand how it works.
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Muhlenberg,
This is what the US is doing... we're the cop... and we don't even ask to be paid. If we walked away, then everyone would have to armor up... massive war.

First, I just told you... there is no center to anything but the core. It's like asking who who's the best guy on the factory assembly line. It's a question that just by asking it demonstrates that you don't understand how it works.
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Muhlenberg,
This is what the US is doing... we're the cop... and we don't even ask to be paid. If we walked away, then everyone would have to armor up... massive war.


No it demonstrates you have no support for your statement , where are these things written and aproved by a world council?

...where are these things written and aproved by a world council?World council? What world council? You live in a world of science fiction.

Im trying to be an asshole but thanks for noticing

That makes heaps of sense!!
America didn't say why they were not giving fuck all money before "Tsunami victims robbed by their own governments" but now it is alright to say this is the reason? After it has happened! Because America had a time machine did they? I mean come off it, if that was the reason why are they not invading these countries to save the people from there government, that’s what they did in Iraq didn't they?

Im trying to be an asshole but thanks for noticing....hey, that goes without saying......:D

Jolly Rodger, stick to the kitchen. Maybe the Frogs can keep on raping African countries. Chirac likes that!

Some of these regions have acted like this for longer than there has even been a first world.

Not likely. Corruption in the West dates back as far as European history goes.


Can't pin this one on us.
Uh, yeah. I can. Corrupt govts in the 3rd world are kept in power by US corporations and US govt pressure. Before the US, the UK filled that role.

Some of these regions have acted like this for longer than there has even been a first world. Can't pin this one on us.

civilisation started off in what is now the 2nd and 3rd world.

and i dont get exactly what your trying to point out. the third world was the first world a while back.

and Britain, France, the dutch etc. have fucked up, robbed and looted the majority of the third world and purposefullly made them poor and dependant.

where there is poverty there will be a lot of corruption and the rich will have a part to play in that aswell.