I have noticed lately that many remarks made on Sciforums are down right racist and demeaning. I'm not sure if people think they are just being funny, but these remarks are hurtful and spoil the really good interaction that happens on this site most of the time.

Do any of you feel the same way?

there've been racist remarks here? such as what?

Please read the comments in "need help with an indian" - located in this same forum area...

Originally posted by celeron3466
Please read the comments in "need help with an indian" - located in this same forum area...
1. what's wrong with the remarks? you're being such a pansy. there is nothing there. . Read again.

I dislike when people can't take the real situation as it is, but try to imagine in their little heads that there is no such thing and that if there is such it must be bad.
You should particepate in Latvian chats when we discuss the pros and cons of nazism :D
rasism and national hate is a normal response to endangerement of a particual nationality or race. It's only a survival instinct in its basics, the want to survive even if it takes to walk over human corpses. It's exreme, yes, but it's also natural to such groups.

There is nothing wrong with some racism.

nothing wrong in the forum celeron.

Wait a minute, there's racism at Sciforums?? Of course there is, there's racism everywhere!!! Some people don't like the Americans, some don't like the Brits, some don't like the Aussies, but we all hate the French!! :D

And Avatars thread was designed to stop any incidents that may offend someone. That's what kind of attitude people in this world need, respect for other cultures and races.

So Avatar, my personal thumbs up to you

But to the French, Boó :p

Originally posted by Jerrek
There is nothing wrong with some racism.

yah! get some balls and elaborate.

I don't hate the french....well I don't hate the the people in France. People in Quebec on the other hand....

Do any of you feel the same way?

well duh. get a bunch of white know it all teenagers together on the internet and what do you think happens:p

seriously though. of course there's some racism. it's everywhere. not that i like it. but if you wanted to avoid racism you should move to... well i don't where you would go but it sure as hell aint here.

You hit the nail on the head Avatar, nationalism spawns racism and I say this as a scottish nationalist.

Easy, I discriminate against blacks and asians when dating. I don't want a black wife, and I don't want an asian wife. They just don't do it for me. Simple preference. Is that bad? Because if it is, I sure want to date YOU and hope you wouln't discriminate against me based on sex.

I like Blondes

Originally posted by Jerrek
Easy, I discriminate against blacks and asians when dating. I don't want a black wife, and I don't want an asian wife. They just don't do it for me. Simple preference. Is that bad? Because if it is, I sure want to date YOU and hope you wouln't discriminate against me based on sex.

That isn't racism. That's personal preference in a mate. On the other hand if you managed a company and didn't want to hire blacks or asians because they were black or asian, that would be racism.

So? Even that should be acceptable and up to the owner. If I want to hire only white women for my massage parlor because my clients don't like black men, then I should be able to hire only white women.

good choice of words krassos..mate:D

Originally posted by celeron3466
I have noticed lately that many remarks made on Sciforums are down right racist and demeaning. I'm not sure if people think they are just being funny, but these remarks are hurtful and spoil the really good interaction that happens on this site most of the time.

Do any of you feel the same way? It's because we live in a racist world.

[shocking remark]Let's start f*king until we're all the same color! [/shocking remark]

And we live currently in a tense atmosphere of war, terrorism and unstable economy, so that we tend to focus on differences rather than common demoninators...

it's a disease to judge people by how they look and where they come from. it's not natural, and you need to be cured and stop spreading your shit around. it's unhealthy.

What do you mean by racist there are some diffrences. I mean a white guy never gets sickle cell diease, but he gets sunburned alot. If your native american you pretty much know your blood type. Yeah its small there are more diffrences in a race then between them.

That isn't racism. That's personal preference in a mate. On the other hand if you managed a company and didn't want to hire blacks or asians because they were black or asian, that would be racism.

How is tha not racism. He thinks one race is better to date then another. He does not date other races so thats discrimination hence it is racist. Nothing that wrong with it. It is his personal choice.

Not hiring certain races for your bussiness is far worse than racism, it's lack of bussiness instinct!

You miss out on some promising individuals that go work for your competition instead and might put you out of bussiness....

Race preferance is everywhere, but it is usually the groups that complain the most about racism that are the most obvious racists. I am totoally against Affirmative Action because the most deserving people of jobs and university acceptance are replaced with a person of a minority that probably is less intelligent and didn't work as hard.

I havn't notices a racism problem on this forum. The jokes are more amusing then they are racism, and you don't see nazis posting their beleifs or anything like that.

:)

Originally posted by ILikeSalt
and you don't see nazis posting their beleifs or anything like that.

:)

yeah, have to keep my mouth shut :(
it's discrimination!

Some people define racism to mean any remarks having to do with the subject of race that are found offensive by members of the race in question. In my opinion that is too broad because some people are thin skinned, have no sense of humor, misunderstand the point of the original statement, want to deny the occasional scientific fact that describes actual differences between races, or are misinformed and read something into the words that is not there.

We all need to accept the fact that there are differences between us and sometimes they simply seem amusing. There's no harm in being amused by the fact that people whose ancestors lived in the Ottoman Empire generally shake their heads for "yes" and "no" the exact opposite of the way most of the rest of us do it. It's a fertile ground for joking and there's nothing demeaning or abusive about it. Ditto for people's ethnic tastes in food, clothing, dance, etc. The world is a funny place, for god's sake please allow us to laugh at it.

There are also important differences that are not funny. Some have already been mentioned, such as varying rates of susceptibility to certain diseases and medical conditions. The vast majority of Asian adults are lactose-intolerant. Lupus is a much bigger health issue among black Americans than whites, whereas white people have to wear sunscreen to avoid skin cancer. As a matter of public health, we must be free to discuss these issues.

But as for true "racist" remarks that are said deliberately to either inflame hatred among one's own kind for another, or to evoke fear among the other? That is evil and people who do it should be struck dead by lightning. OK, maybe you were brought up wrong and have to learn better, so you get three chances. Gives new meaning to the term "third strike."

To answer the original question. No, I don't think there are a lot of racist remarks on SciForums, at least not by my definition. Most of them are meant as humor. Some people aren't very good at joking and could be misinterpreted, but I'm not gonna fry them over that. Let the responses from the offended parties teach them to be more subtle. I see more offensive, racist remarks in the Washington Post. Most of them are disguised as humor, but the disguise is obvious and I'm always surprised that the site of the nation's capital tolerates so much overt racism. I guess it proves what a tolerant people we are.

There are a handful of people on SciForums who just spew racism. You all have surely run into them. They are just a pathetic minority whose mommas didn't raise them right. Hardly a big enough problem to worry about. It's good to allow free speech so you know what's going on in other people's minds.

And as Bill Maher put it, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant."

Raceism is evil! All the isms in the world are evil! How can anybody think such a thing, seperating Blacks and Whites and Asians! White people depend on Black people for everything! Who is the best golfer? Tiger Woods. Who is the best singer? James Brown. Who is it that everybody likes in place of James Brown now? 50 Cent. Look, you take Black people away from White people and what will the dance be? River Dance. What will the American pass time be? River Dance. What will be on T.V. everynight? River Dance. White people are NOTHING without Black people to bring entertainment and excitement to this sorry planet.

send all the black people to venus! :D

Originally posted by ben nevis
You hit the nail on the head Avatar, nationalism spawns racism and I say this as a scottish nationalist.
I can say that will be voting SNP.
Nationalism does spawn racism but the SNP have a new way of thinking, making nationalism for every ethnic minority. I will be of course only voting for the SNP because of one of their policies: making scotland an independant state, afterwhich, i will be voting SSP - and yes, i do realise that they have little hope of ever winning the elections.

Originally posted by Captain_Crunch
I can say that I will be voting SNP because of one of their policies: making Scotland an independent state - and yes, I do realise that they have little hope of ever winning the elections. Never underestimate the power of a strong third party vote, even if it never comes close to winning an election. The Communist Party in the US never won an important election, nothing beyond the level of one seat on a small town council. Yet by the 1950s, both the Democrats and Republicans adopted the entire 1929 Communist Party platform. They did not want to take the risk of allowing the Communists to become a real force and mess up the sweet deal they had with being a one-party system masquerading as a two-party system. Keeping power was more important than sticking to their published agenda. Their real agenda was merely to keep acquiring more power, and adopting the tenets of communism merely helped them pursue that goal even more vigorously!

Look at how both of our parties are falling over each other trying to coopt the platform of the Green Party, which has already won more victories than the Communists. It has a majority on the city council of Arcata, California. With a population of 16,000 and the largest university in northwestern California, this city is a major political force in the region.

Don't give up. A vote for a third party is not "wasted."

yes of course it all depends on how you define racism. there are lots of diffterent types, some more deserving of the name than others.

certain peoples preference for a race in term of dating isn't what i would label racism. obviously it has to do with race, but i wouldn't call it racism.

of course there's the inflamitory, nazi/KKK style, i hate race X, type person. that's easy to spot. any idiot will say that this person is wrong.

what i'm talking about is the "oh i'm not racist" person. they don't go around preaching hate. they just kind of tacitly assume things about people based on race. that's the most common and annoying type.

like in jr high when this kid insisted that i teach him how to rap. he said things like "don't all you guys have your own rap?"
he thought he was being funny. I don't care what you think you're being. meant as a joke or not, it doesn't matter.


i really think that people who don't ever experience any sort of -ism don't really get what it's about. you think racism is just about neo-nazis and klans men? no. it's about the white mothers at my high school who assumed that all the black kids are on athletic scholarships. the mothers are nice and all to the black kids, they just subtly assume the kids are inferior.

I was in the D.C. area during the rein of terror of the Beltway Snipers. We had a chance to see how "racial profiling" can exacerbate a problem. Absolutely everyone, including Montgomery County Police Chief Moose, a black man, was confident that the serial killers were white, because of course all serial killers are always white.

(Somehow they all stupidly forgot about Los Angeles's Richard Ramírez, the "Night Stalker." Damn, why do I always get to live in cities when there's a serial killer on the loose?)

When they finally got a good ID on the snipers' car, a green 1970's full-size Chevy, Moose is reported to have said, "Oh my god, that's a brother's car!" (More racial profiling, I guess you just can't escape it.) The two guys in that car had been stopped by cops about twelve times between shootings, given tickets for equipment violations, waved through roadblocks, utterly invisible because they were the "wrong" color.

Chief Moose hung his head for days, when he realized that if he'd expanded the dragnet to include people of all colors, he might have saved half a dozen lives.

Fraggle Rocker
Never underestimate the power of a strong third party vote...
Yeh, i do realise that a third party vote is not wasted. I wouldnt vote for the two main political parties anyway except the SNP which do have a very big chance of winning this year. :)

Originally posted by Jerrek
There is nothing wrong with some racism.

I'd say that racism is wrong in a rational sense, since there is no legitimate reason to hate all people of a certain race or consider them inferior, but racism isn't wrong in the sense that it should be outlawed.

Originally posted by ben nevis
You hit the nail on the head Avatar, nationalism spawns racism and I say this as a scottish nationalist.

That seems to be somewhat of a non sequitur, since nationality and race or ethnicity are not one in the same.

Originally posted by Jerrek
Easy, I discriminate against blacks and asians when dating. I don't want a black wife, and I don't want an asian wife. They just don't do it for me. Simple preference. Is that bad? Because if it is, I sure want to date YOU and hope you wouln't discriminate against me based on sex.

Not wanting a black or Asian wife simply because you aren't attracted to blacks or Asians isn't racist or bigoted. You can be not attracted to someone but still value them as human beings.

Not wanting a black or Asian wife because you hate them or consider them stupid, on the other hand, would be racist.

Originally posted by Shadow_Wizard
White people depend on Black people for everything! Who is the best golfer? Tiger Woods. Who is the best singer? James Brown. Who is it that everybody likes in place of James Brown now? 50 Cent. Look, you take Black people away from White people and what will the dance be? River Dance. What will the American pass time be? River Dance. What will be on T.V. everynight? River Dance. White people are NOTHING without Black people to bring entertainment and excitement to this sorry planet.

Just to start things off, I don't think it is accurate to label Tiger Woods as black, since he also has Asian and Caucasian heritage. He is multiracial, or "Cablinasian", as he would say.

But anyway, your argument is based on the premise that every American loves soul music and is bored by Irish dancing or other forms of entertainment generally considered "white". I'd prefer classical music to James Brown, though I am not a big fan of either. And I've never heard of this "50 Cent" person, so he or she obviously isn't playing a big role in keeping me entertained.

The entertainment found in respective nations would obviously be different without the input of people of different races, but to say that it would be inferior without this input sounds a bit bigoted to me.

Originally posted by Shadow_Wizard
Raceism is evil! All the isms in the world are evil! How can anybody think such a thing, seperating Blacks and Whites and Asians! White people depend on Black people for everything! Who is the best golfer? Tiger Woods. Who is the best singer? James Brown. Who is it that everybody likes in place of James Brown now? 50 Cent. Look, you take Black people away from White people and what will the dance be? River Dance. What will the American pass time be? River Dance. What will be on T.V. everynight? River Dance. White people are NOTHING without Black people to bring entertainment and excitement to this sorry planet.

Don't get me wrong, I think racism is a terrible cancer in our society, but this is one of the most subjective arguments I've read in this thread so far.

Raceism is evil! All the isms in the world are evil!

I am the ism.

How can anybody think such a thing, seperating Blacks and Whites and Asians! White people depend on Black people for everything! Who is the best golfer? Tiger Woods. Who is the best singer? James Brown. Who is it that everybody likes in place of James Brown now? 50 Cent. Look, you take Black people away from White people and what will the dance be? River Dance. What will the American pass time be? River Dance. What will be on T.V. everynight? River Dance. White people are NOTHING without Black people to bring entertainment and excitement to this sorry planet.

Your argument is below idiotic.

Racist remarks are born from parental permission and instruction.

See you guys and gals in another life...I'm no longer going to be part of Sciforums...call me a winp or whatever you want, but Sciforums is full of garbage and I no longer want to be a part of it...you will no longer see posts or comments from "celeron3466".

PS: I know, your likely grateful. Good for you!

told he was a pansy :D

celeron- you'll never see me again on sciforums blah blah....

loser. another fucker who wants to escape reality and can't deal with the real world.

you consider sciforums reality!?!:p

he wanted to escape reality so he came to sciforums. :confused:

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Well if you can say that all black people have contributed to human society is entertainment well then you don't think much of your people because theres science, medicine, art and so many other things out there and if thats all they done is taught us how to dance I think somehow we could survive without it.

As far a racism I live with black guy, a south american, and an indian.(sounds like the start of a bad joke) Along with that at my apartment all the time is a guy from spain, nother guy from greece and another one from cambodia. Yeah I coould probably go on but the simple fact is that we all get together and drink ourselves to death and nobody gives a rats ass about nationality or race. When theres a common goal people get along. But even besides that sensitivity is due to insecurity. People have flaws to other people its no big deal thats why white people laugh when you say we can't dance and its due probably to the fact that we can't. Well i can, but most can't. So if I can laugh at yor own race then why the hell can't you laugh at others for their flaws. A good joke is a good joke, otherwise half the material on BET wouldn't be funny.

And just a little story
I have a close knit group of friends that i had for a really long time and one night were drinking and playing cards and were were B.S.ing as most drunk males do. And my friend Aaron gets on making fun of mexicans. Well this other guy Dan is half mexican and Aaron thought he was spanish. So Dan starts making fun of mexicans too. And then hes like Aaron you know I'm mexican. And aarons mouth kinda dropped and was "no your spanish" and Dan said "no". SO after dan went on a cracker spew for a minute he called his mom and told her how much aaron hated mexicans of course blowing it up more. But it was so funny( then, not just now) beer was flowing out my nose and were all still the great friends we were before and its a great laugh still when ever were out together. Anyways I don't know what the point of the story was. OTher then the fact that you might think less of another group based on sterotypes but it really is nothing more then the individual that matters (I think that made sence)