Why is it that a promiscuis woman is considered slutty while a guy who is able to snag any woman he wants is considered a stud? Here is my theory:

If a mildly attractive woman goes up to a guy in a bar and asks him if he wants to makeout, I would argue that 9 times out of 10 the guy will say SURE! However, if the roles are reversed and it is the guy asking the girl to makeout, 9 times out of 10 the girl will say You've got to be kidding, get lost creep! Therefore, the woman is the one making the decision in physical situations in the vast majority of the time.

Soooo if a guy can make any woman decide that she does want to makeout with him or whatever, then that is an impressive talent.

If a girl can make any guy decide that he wants to makeout or whatever with her then no big deal, because most guys probably wanted to do it anyway.

What do you all think? Can anyone say what I'm trying to say a better way? Does anyone agree or disagree with me? I'd be stoked to hear it from someone of merit who isn't just a parrit.
(I know I spelled parrot wrong but it looks more like it rhymes with "it" that way.)

Soooooo your having problems getting a date huh? :D

If a guy can make any woman decide that she does want to makeout with him or whatever, then that is an impressive talent. If a girl can make any guy decide that he wants to makeout or whatever with her then no big deal, because most guys probably wanted to do it anyway.Well, you just answered your own question, didn't you?

Since in mammals it's the female who has to carry the babies and give birth, and in many species (including, regrettably and more frequently, our own) raise them without a lot of help, she feels a rational obligation to pick the best father. That includes obviously strength, health, intelligence, attractiveness -- traits, which, if inherited by the babies, will give them a better chance of survival and success. But also, picking a father who might actually stick around and help raise the babies. Our species is designed to need two parents, since our babies are born much "younger" than other mammals (because of the problem of their huge brains getting through the birth canal), motherhood is damn hard work.

Whether it's a Mesolithic clan in which the women have to gather nuts and berries while the men hunt mammoths, a Neolithic agricultural community in which everybody has to milk the cows and plant the crops, or an industrial city in which a woman without a husband has no source of money except charity and welfare... having a father around is an advantage for the babies. Homo sapiens females are pre-programmed with the synapses to know that and call it common sense. Sure times have changed and it's now possible to be a successful single mother. But our DNA hasn't had enough millennia to adapt to that and we've all still got the instincts of our more apelike ancestors.

Which segues naturally into a discussion of the male of the species. :) For us, success is a matter of making sure our genes are passed down through the generations. The more females we can couple with, the more likely we are to be the founders of the next dynasty. It's that simple. Sure times have changed and it's now not so easy to coast through life leaving fatherless children in our wake. But our DNA hasn't... well you can read the last sentence in the previous paragraph.

To put it in more concise and contemporary terms, it's a Venus/Mars thing.

Interestingly enough, not all mammals have the same deal. Dogs have huge litters. If a female in heat mates with several different males, it's quite likely that each puppy can have a different father. Now male dogs don't exactly rear their young, but they do have the instinct to at least protect them from harm and see that they grow up, because they want to be the founders of the next dynasty too. So every male that coupled with a mother understands that one or more of the puppies in that litter can be his own genes. He has no idea which one, so to be safe he protects them all. You'll find that all the males in the pack are protective of all the puppies. None of them will hurt any of them and all of them will defend all of them if one guy breaks the rule and tries to hurt one. Sounds like an easy life, except that female dogs can be holy terrors. Sometimes they will try to kill each other's puppies. One of our bitches sneaked into another's kennel and killed two puppies one time, while we were stupidly keeping the males away, who it turns out would have stopped her.

So I don't know who has it better. Female humans who can pick and choose their mates but get called nasty names if they pick too many? Or female canines who can mate with every male within five miles but do it out of instinct and don't look like they're having a particularly good time?

Anyway, if you've ever wondered why "bitch" is such a traditional insult, it's because of that instinctive behavior, which is actually protective. Life is not fair to any species.

all that situation says to me is that more guys are sluts than not.

answering the question is bigger than a message board discussion. it's an age old problem that can only be fleshed out by studying women's history. i have a bookshelf full of women's studies non-fiction (and some feminist fiction, i.e. nectar in a sieve) if you're interested. start with "whores and other feminists" by jill nagle.

A boyfriend in college once explained his take on this as "A girl goes around the guy. The guy goes into the girl. And a guy leaves something behind." The inference was that while guys make their deposit and withdraw, women keep the remnants of the guy long after the encounter. It's like using a teflon spoon for coffee, cheese dip, and Cheerios...something stays in the Cheerios which can't be removed easily, and you can always wash the spoon.

Personally, I thought this was just icky.

The younger of my two older brothers is 2 years older than me. When he was 21 and I was 19, I overheard my father tell him to screw as many girls as he could before he settled down, but to use protection so as not to get "trapped." In the middle of this peptalk, I walked into the room and waited for my father to share his pearls of sexual wisdom with me. He honestly said "And you....you stay a virgin until you get married."

Six months too late, Dad, but thanks for the thought.

The answer is quite simple really.. and it stems from the power structure of gender:
any woman, at any time, can, if she so desires, engage in sex. The same has never been true of men.
The reasons behind this stem from the particularities of human evolution and the nature of our civilizations. With respect to reproduction, and sexual activity in particular, women have historically held the position of power; therefore the answer to your question is simply that men are jealous. :-)

Any woman, at any time, can, if she so desires, engage in sex. The same has never been true of men.

Do you really think that this is true for any woman? I've seen a LOT of women who I know I would never want to be intimate with.



With respect to reproduction, and sexual activity in particular, women have historically held the position of power; therefore the answer to your question is simply that men are jealous. :-)

Sorry sister, but I'm not jealous that its easier for women to be slutty than it is for men. The funny thing is, is that its probably more difficult for an attractive young female NOT to be slutty than it would be TOO be slutty, where as it is the total opposite for a guy!

Therefore, its as if our society respects the individual who lives the more difficult lifestyle!

The guy who can get any girl he wants is a stud and a young attractive female virgin is respected and seeked after by a lot of men.

What do you think?

Another thing, I wish people would quit talking about evolution and civilizations for crying out loud. And if anyone replies to this and puts these last two sentences as a quote and tries to tell me how important it is to include these things, I will track them down and kill them!

LOL
I'm no sister...
Anyways, Yes.. undoubtedly.... ANY woman.. given the inclination.. could easily find a willing partner.
And by the way... our gender relationship IS a direct result of evolution, and is modified, by our civilization.
:-)

A boyfriend in college once explained his take on this as "A girl goes around the guy. The guy goes into the girl. And a guy leaves something behind." The inference was that while guys make their deposit and withdraw, women keep the remnants of the guy long after the encounter. It's like using a teflon spoon for coffee, cheese dip, and Cheerios...something stays in the Cheerios which can't be removed easily, and you can always wash the spoon.

Personally, I thought this was just icky.

The younger of my two older brothers is 2 years older than me. When he was 21 and I was 19, I overheard my father tell him to screw as many girls as he could before he settled down, but to use protection so as not to get "trapped." In the middle of this peptalk, I walked into the room and waited for my father to share his pearls of sexual wisdom with me. He honestly said "And you....you stay a virgin until you get married."

Six months too late, Dad, but thanks for the thought.
Yuck. That's not fair.

I wish boys and girls would be treated equally... :/

Generally speaking, for there are always exceptions to the rule, men are preoccupied with sex, they can get a hard on just by thinking about it... and they like to think about it, a lot. Women, on the other hand, don't get turned on as easily as men, they need a gentle build-up, a bit of romance, I'm talking mainly about married women here and are judging by most of the couples that I've known in my 35+ years of adulthood.

It is therefore presumed, that a guy who sleeps around is just doing what comes naturally, but the woman who does it obviously isn't. The woman who lets herself be taken by all and sundry is obviously a freak and deserves a special name and slut is as good as any.

The truth of the matter of course, is that both, men and women, that like to put it about with different partners on a regular basis, are suffering from some serious emotional problems and are subconsciously searching for the love they were denied as children, or for that elusive feeling of love that they've never actually felt. Either that, or they just know how to have fun and everyone else is just jealous, coz, who knows the truth about anything anyway?

The truth of the matter of course, is that both, men and women, that like to put it about with different partners on a regular basis, are suffering from some serious emotional problems and are subconsciously searching for the love they were denied as children, or for that elusive feeling of love that they've never actually felt. Either that, or they just know how to have fun and everyone else is just jealous, coz, who knows the truth about anything anyway?
Huuumm... that actually sounds true. My situation is not much different then that. I've been quite rejected in my childhood. My family have always been caring for me, but society totally rejected me. Maybe that is part of my problem... :/

But anyways... I don't really think it is nice to call that kind of girl "slut". I mean... if we can do it, why can't they? Don't seem fair... :eek:

The whole thing comes down to virginity: it's expected and prized in women, and looked down upon, or at least looked upon suspiciously, in men. Men and women are conversely valued depending upon how far away they are from being virginal -- a female virgin is a "good girl," a male virgin is a wuss. (All generalizations are wrong, including this one, but bear with me). The greater sexually experience a woman becomes the more trashy she's believed to be, while a man in the same position (no pun intended) is viewed as normal and often cool.

However, do not lose hope. I've the solution, at least for women: get married, then get divorced.

If you've been married, there is no longer the expectation that you're virginal. You're free to whore around all you want, and while there is still a level of social price to pay, it's no where near as high as a single female of the same age.

i find that virginity is suspect in women after a certain age as well. if you make it past your freshman year of college a virgin people are shocked and wonder if you're a mormon.

Its the modern equal world, even girls are expected not to be virgins after about 18, as true as the word slut is most girls i've met aply it to men aswel, since i dont think theres a bad word for men doing the same thing, its all pimps and studs and most men dont consider that bad. I always wondered why people(of both genders) feel compelled to be sluts, best thing i can come up with is that some people have higher sex drives than others and human instinct is to reproduce, perhaps because contraception prevents that the instinct doesnt get surpressed as they arnt reproducing?

..."You're free to whore around all you want..."

Frisbinator,
Well, I wouldn't advise this, but sorry to break it to you, it's a man's world buttercup. I didn't make this rule, but I am obliged to live by it. :cool:
Man hasn't evolved beyond a basic dominating hunting/gathering mentality. ;)

i just think it really funny that guys call girls sluts, and a minute later complain that they wanna get laid :D

btw, what do you consider a parrot? NM, a mimic, I see

A truly virtuous male would reject any and all women, no matter of their appearance upon being asked this question. I see this in myself, and I know physical beauty is a subjective limitation of ours. This blinds us in seeing inside the heart, inside the mind. I have much greater gifts to give the world than an orgasm to a few women who are not comfortable with who they are.

I'm over that stage in my life, and at 24, yes, 24 believe it or not. Frankly, I think it's a turn off if a woman comes on that strong at a bar. I don't really like the bar scene that much anyway. Perhaps I can revoke my youth and bring myself back to a place and time where intellect does not matter much, and physical pleasure is all I seek.

I see this as primitive, immature. I'd rather spend my time writing, creating art. This will attract a much more evolved woman. This type of woman you can have much greater fun with, yet you need to experience this, I cannot show you.

I can see that you have much to learn about life, and the nature of women. Even an unattractive man can convince gorgeous women to satisfy him in an evening. Given that they're in an altered state, and their intuition is not strong then its easy. You need true confidence, a knowledge of yourself that needs no validation from anyone.

Most men have assumed, or pretend confidence. I used to have this, and it worked, but only one women that assumed confidence, but weren't really comfortable with themselves.

I'd rather have meaningful lasting relationships based on more than sex. I'd rather be attracted to someone's heart, someone's soul. I'd rather develop this attraction to their soul before sex, so that when it happens, it occurs on a much deeper level.

I hope you understand this one day, and learn to control those primal urges and use your inherent energy to create something which can be shared with many, and not something that is just a fleeting moment of sloppy drunken sex. I look back and you know what? I would have rather had a good night's sleep, read a book, etc...

btw, the nature of your title of your post suggests arrogance, and this will always limit you in your understanding of women, and of all things. You place blame on others, whereas a virtuous man would take the responsibility on his own, and look to his own experiences. You have to look at it in a general societal aspect though, for if all your experiments are based on personal experience, who are you trying to prove or disprove? Only yourself, for how can you understand the nature of others?

I can see that you have much to learn about life, and the nature of women. Even an unattractive man can convince gorgeous BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH BLAHBALHBLAH BLAH BLAH I'm more superior than you are because I am 24 and am an artist and BLAHLAHBLAHBLAH and I know everything about the whole wide world and can sit here and am justified in critisizing you because I am a genius and BLAHBLAHBLHABLHABLHABLAH

You can see I have a lot to learn about life? Do you know me? Have you had dinner with me? Just because I posted a topic regarding why most of society calls women "sluts" if they sleep around and looks up to guys that do the same thing?

You got a lot to learn about ASSUMING pal, and I would take your post apart bit by bit but I am going out of town this weekend and have to go pack right now. But stay tuned because I'll be BACK.

-Trent

Yea...about this whole thing, i've been thinking about it too. It does make sense i guess, what you said when first. Also, it's not even about whether or not women are sexually active, but even if they are attractive. Hasn't anyone noticed this, like for example if a woman is really good looking, sometimes people automatically think "wow what a hot slut" or somehitng along the lines of that, because if she's good looking then she must get around a lot. Same thing goes for guys, but it's not so much of a negative thing. There is no way to translate that to a guy with the same connotation....if they're called a "player, pimp"..etc, then it's a good thing to them.

I think it's kind of what each sex labels itself as also, because girls will put it on themselves by going around calling other girls "sluts or hos", and guys will go congratulating their buddies on a job well done after losing their virginity or sex.

But i guess it will always be like that, because girls are raised to respect themselves and their virginity more than guys.

Well, stuff happens, I suppose. Isn't it kind of interesting, however, how some men are greatly depressed because they "can't get any" and some women are called sluts 'cause they "get too much"?

Frisbinator:
What do you all think? Can anyone say what I'm trying to say a better way? Does anyone agree or disagree with me? I'd be stoked to hear it from someone of merit who isn't just a parrit.

A woman's sex defines and comprises her. Because of her biology, she's weaker than a man - and culture enforces this weakness. Through various historical processes she becomes sex embodied.

Her sex, and the uses to which it is put, thus form the basis of her being-for-others. A woman who is "loose" takes upon herself all the filth associated with her sex, and becomes the target of all.

Therefore, its as if our society respects the individual who lives the more difficult lifestyle

No not really. A woman's sexuality is simply more comprised.
She is expected to be fucked, otherwise she wouldn't be a woman. But if she isn't fucked in the right manners and ways she's a whore.

i find that virginity is suspect in women after a certain age as well. if you make it past your freshman year of college a virgin people are shocked and wonder if you're a mormon.

I think the cut-off age is 17. Under sixteen is considered trashy, over seventeen is considered prudish. Over twenty is considered definitely fucking abnormal.

Hasn't anyone noticed this, like for example if a woman is really good looking, sometimes people automatically think "wow what a hot slut" or something along the lines of that, because if she's good looking then she must get around a lot. Same thing goes for guys, but it's not so much of a negative thing. There is no way to translate that to a guy with the same connotation....if they're called a "player, pimp"..etc, then it's a good thing to them.

I think it's kind of what each sex labels itself as also, because girls will put it on themselves by going around calling other girls "sluts or hos", and guys will go congratulating their buddies on a job well done after losing their virginity or sex. One of the things that drives my wife crazy is the observation that men tend to close ranks among themselves and act with solidarity, whereas women more often tend to not support each other. And I have to say that in the 27 years that she's been saying that I've become sensitized to noticing it too.

I'm sure it's just a product of our patriarchal Western society, sort of the "Uncle Tom" phenomenon. The way for a woman to get ahead in a man's world is to betray her fellow women. In fact in California, where one gets to observe people from many different places, I notice that cultures where the patriarchy is not quite so all-powerful seem to produce women who actually do have more of a sense of solidarity. Vietnam, the Philippines, some of the African nations; I see women from those places supporting each other. In fact they instinctively close ranks with other women no matter where they're from.

It's a positive influence on America. We guys need to have some sense kicked into our butts. :)

feminist bs keep preeching this and the males in our society will become the most passive, least aggressive & least attractive kind in the world.

Eluminate:
feminist bs keep preeching this and the males in our society will become the most passive, least aggressive & least attractive kind in the world.

Worst of all, they'll be complete idiots who are unable to spell or come up with coherent sentences!
As Freud noted, civilization makes humans into passive, submissive creatures. It's hitting your gender now, as it's been destroying mine for the past 2000 odd years.
Ha ha, rot in the hell you created, untermenschen.

Fraggle Rocker:
I'm sure it's just a product of our patriarchal Western society, sort of the "Uncle Tom" phenomenon.

As is everything even moderately unpleasant. Women are dumb whores not because humans are vile but because, you know, it's the patriarchy.

I notice that cultures where the patriarchy is not quite so all-powerful seem to produce women who actually do have more of a sense of solidarity. Vietnam, the Philippines, some of the African nations; I see women from those places supporting each other. In fact they instinctively close ranks with other women no matter where they're from.

Yes, African women have it good. They're empowered feminist warriors!

Oh wait, they're not expected to be visible in public and there's that whole "genital mutilation" thing. Nevermind.

It's a positive influence on America. We guys need to have some sense kicked into our butts

No, you simply need a good whacking with a clue by four.

men tend to close ranks among themselves and act with solidarity
what? since when? i don't understand how this perception could have arisen. not only are men [or just people rather] generally self-serving and treacherous, but these are personality traits that - to the best of my knowledge - cannot be separating along gender lines. or perhaps i'm just way off base. :rolleyes:

"I see this as primitive, immature. I'd rather spend my time writing, creating art. This will attract a much more evolved woman. This type of woman you can have much greater fun with, yet you need to experience this, I cannot show you"

i dunno why u cant have this much fun with a friend, and go out with someone that you are interested in sexually, then you have EVEN more fun, and arent cheating on anyone or anything


"men tend to close ranks among themselves and act with solidarity, whereas women more often tend to not support each other."

i havent noticed that, i was under the impression that groups of girls will help one to get out with a guy if shes too shy to ask, maybe thats just in tv, ill try paying attention to what happens around me, maybe that'll help

hey fraggle rock, - in the social groups that have dominant or alpha males women dont have a choice in mating. If I recall its only been about 100 years that women have had rights adn given the option to choose male companions, most of the time women were traded for land or forced into marriage. Half the time women were raped and taking by warring states. I dont know where u get your facts.

i don't like it when people assume im a player, etc. I don't want to be thought of as a guy who has no restraint. Just cos i can, don't mean i will, I got discipline.
Guys go round 'acting' to get girls which is just nasty cos it seems so sleazy but i suppose those guys are not comfortable with themselves, therefore, the only way they will gain some self worth is by sleeping with lots of women but that does not seem to help them attain long term happiness, therefore, in the long run, they are looking for that something but going about it in the wrong way by trying to sleep with lots of women.

Its like people who look for hapiness in superficial things, it makes them happy for a while, then something else comes out, then to reach that same level of hapiness, they gotto buy something else. Get out of the cycle and find yourself a woman that will make you happy instead of trying to live up to the backwards 'fresh prince' sterotype that media created. You are human, that makes you different to animals.

Humans aren't different from animals.

Humans are animals. Just a hell of a lot more dangerous since they have a more developed nervous system and intelligence. I see nothing particularly noble or special that humans have that animals don't, other than superior processing power to process information gathered from the outside environment and the power that follows from that.

Okay, I guess humans have might and animals don't. :rolleyes:

-- Long live the Female Messiah!

Humans work in groups and can change/betray those groups at will. Name an animal that can do that.

yeah advanced social groups. However these social groups act like an organism too. But underneth all reasons in a social group it comes down to primitive survival wether it be memes or genes.

Okay I have a question for everyone, I am a 20 yr old virgin girl who is in college right now. I have keep my virginity even though at times it has been hard but on the other hand I have also kissed/made out with a lot of guys. Since I was twelve it has been around 67. It happens like every weekend and lately I have been feeling used almost. It is so easy for me but now I am feeling really guilty. Would you call me a slut?

Kissing roughly eight or nine guys a year doesn't make you a slut in my opinion. I think it interesting you can give an estimate without rounding. And being a virgin at twenty doesn't make you abnormal by my definition. Someone will appreciate it and it sucks to meet a pretty girl who wasn't overly promiscuous and ended up with herpes. Kinda puts a funk on the sit. Anyway, what did you say your number was? ;-)

Xev said "Worst of all, they'll be complete idiots who are unable to spell or come up with coherent sentences!
As Freud noted, civilization makes humans into passive, submissive creatures. It's hitting your gender now, as it's been destroying mine for the past 2000 odd years.
Ha ha, rot in the hell you created, untermenschen."

yeah, at least the poor person that you verbally attacked can manage to stay in one language for an entire paragraph, which reminds me of the fact that you didnt use proper paragraphs, and therefore can hardly blame the guy for incorrect spelling

what was the point of the non english (possible german) word?
was it to make u look smart? was it used as a buzzword? (lol, buzzword is sorta turning into a buzzword) did you quote Fred for the same reason?

back on topic
debkiss, assuming that is the total truth, then no your not, almost all people enjoy kissing. If a guy is using you, dont worry. If hes hot, then you use him, if hes ugly, dump him

LoL HAHAHAHA So true...

We don't respect the slut, but boy do we like to fuck her, availabillity is the sexiest thing since the new BMW Sports Utillity Vehicle hit the road. Oh and always do a DNA test on your kids, changes are that the dark and handsome but notoriously unloyal italian guy is the father and that you are just the sweet loyal, but hardly as exciting guy that she knows takes good care of her and the children for the first 4 years....


Let me sleep on it, I give you an anwer in the morning...

Oh and always do a DNA test on your kids, changes are that the dark and handsome but notoriously unloyal italian guy is the father and that you are just the sweet loyal, but hardly as exciting guy that she knows takes good care of her and the children for the first 4 years....

Yeah, that's so true. People who raise other guys kids say thier nice guys, or that they love the woman, but thier nothing but braindead fucks whoose DNA is going nowhere. I would never marry a slut, fuck one sure, but they aren't marrying material. I would be about 10x more likely to marry a virgin than even somebody whoose had sex once. Remember, marriage is a reward a women gets for passing on your DNA, if you let yourself be Cuckolded, your nothing, not a good person, a loser.

Xev
Because of her biology, she's weaker than a man
Physically, yes, but so what? There’s a lot more to strength and weakness than “biology”. Though perhaps not for you, since you came up with this statement in the first place, and this:
Her sex, and the uses to which it is put, thus form the basis of her being-for-others.
Again, maybe for you.
A woman's sex defines and comprises her
Well so does a man’s. Don’t tell me you don’t have some generalized and possibly unfair and derogatory opinions about the opposite sex, that ( cross-your-heart) you evaluate each and every man you encounter on a strictly case-by-case basis?

And don’t tell me, “boo-hoo, but they haven’t been trampled on and put down like us poor women have.” So what? Things change, no thanks to theories and harping on the past. Life’s a more dynamic than that, and never quite so simple as you seem to think it is.

More on topic, it’s only been, what, thirty/forty years since women had the freedom to be “slutty” with their own husbands without having a baby, let alone every guy on the block.

And I tend to agree with what Tablariddim says, that
Women, on the other hand, don't get turned on as easily as men, they need a gentle build-up, a bit of romance.
… in other words, a man who knows what he’s doing. If orgasms were as easy and as guaranteed (virtually) for women as they are for men, I think things would be a lot different. As things are, there’s a lack of incentive, basically. Maybe why people (other girls especially) might find it “odd”, if nothing else, that a girl would want to sleep around? Chances are that a man looking for a quick, easy ride doesn’t care enough to make sure she has a good time too, so why bother?

For a guy: Getting laid is a chore
For a girl: Getting laid is a choice

Hence, we have sluts and studs.

MACZ--are you saying there are no differences other than physical between a man and a woman?? Hormones play a key role in mental development and the structure of neuron pathways(which dictates how we think)

Kissing roughly eight or nine guys a year doesn't make you a slut in my opinion. I think it interesting you can give an estimate without rounding. And being a virgin at twenty doesn't make you abnormal by my definition. Someone will appreciate it and it sucks to meet a pretty girl who wasn't overly promiscuous and ended up with herpes. Kinda puts a funk on the sit. Anyway, what did you say your number was? ;-)


I'm curious, how many males really think that a virgin in uni is a good thing? Most of the time, and i do get the whole "i'm a guy, therefore i'm getting some" impression, so i wonder, why do us women wait if there's noone out there to respect the fact
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darktr00per
MACZ--are you saying there are no differences other than physical between a man and a woman?? Hormones play a key role in mental development and the structure of neuron pathways(which dictates how we think)
No I wasn't saying that, and I'm aware of hormonal differences too. I was simply saying that you can't judge one sex to be weaker or stronger than another on the basis of one difference (in this instance it was brawn, or lack of) alone.

bla bla bla
The sexes are different, with different responsibilities. Women need to be selective, they need to be hard to get, its important for the future of the species, we've escaped natural selection much to my dismay, do we have to escape sexual selection as well?
1 gender has to be slutty and the other prudish/selective. If women are going to be slutty I guess we'll just have to be prudish. It doesn't make sense but if women aren't playing properly we'll have to compensate.
It doesn't make sense because women have to harbour the result of the fornication and raise it into adulthood, its got more to do with them so they have to be selective.
Guys just need to get their genes out there. Thats pretty much it, its up to the females to be sieves, instinctually selecting for the future of homo-sapiens.
Girls are sluts for sleeping around because its too easy, its just laziness on their part. They need to shape up, this isn't a fucking tea party. Its the propogation of the species, don't make a mockery of it, rebelling in the name of 'grrl power' :rolleyes: get your act together.
:mad: I'm just so pissed off about how easy it is to fuck you idiots.

They act the way they do becuase of social breakdown. Values in america have decreased over the last 30 years, mainly due to womens rights and lack of religion.

doc, haven't you heard about that nifty new invention called birth control? i just got a whole bunch in a goody bag from a feminist event last night. i'll send you some. it may just catch on!
i'm not raising anything into adulthood until i'm ready to. men that think women who understand their sexuality are (insert sexist insult here) need to get over themselves. we're humans. humans enjoy sex. that's just the way it is.
insect and bird females mate with multiple parters at a time. some male insects have adapted by favoring males with specialized peni that scrape competitors' sperm from the cloaca to increase the occurence of their own genes in the next generation. not coincidentally, females tend to prefer these specialized peni with all kinds of french tickler-like features. why can't you adapt to contemporary women, you ingrate?

They act the way they do becuase of social breakdown. Values in america have decreased over the last 30 years, mainly due to womens rights and lack of religion.
So true... ;)

doc, haven't you heard about that nifty new invention called birth control? i just got a whole bunch in a goody bag from a feminist event last night. i'll send you some. it may just catch on!
i'm not raising anything into adulthood until i'm ready to. men that think women who understand their sexuality are (insert sexist insult here) need to get over themselves. we're humans. humans enjoy sex. that's just the way it is.
insect and bird females mate with multiple parters at a time. some male insects have adapted by favoring males with specialized peni that scrape competitors' sperm from the cloaca to increase the occurence of their own genes in the next generation. not coincidentally, females tend to prefer these specialized peni with all kinds of french tickler-like features. why can't you adapt to contemporary women, you ingrate?
Well said!

Altough unfortunately, contemporary women lost their good taste and prefer to be with guys that are goofy, watch hockey games and TV all the day and act like they are drunk with a horrible and childish sense of humour. It seems that romantism is completely DEAD. :bugeye:

I can't believe this is an issue. Is this an american thing? From what I see here in england, its obviously true that women can be pickier than men. But I've never known anyone judge a women badly because of the amount of men (or women) she's slept with. Only if they were going out with someone at the time, but that's a different matter. And marrying a virgin? Scuse me a moment, my flying pigs got out again.

leda...

I know in oz, there's a huge varying degree here, and cause we haven't figured out yet, being only 300 yo, the debate still rages. I find that there's less respect for women these days, and this tends to spread to the way some women treat themselves. On the other hand, over here we've also got the old fashion guys. So like i said, i dunno what's it like over there, but here, you get all sorts.

Are there other old fashioned guys here? I have never seen one. Well... maybe when I look in the mirror... :D

Anyways... it is tough to be romantic when girls mostly valorizes tough and sour guys...

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Are there other old fashioned guys here? I have never seen one. Well... maybe when I look in the mirror... :D

Anyways... it is tough to be romantic when girls mostly valorizes tough and sour guys...

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I can't remember where i heard it from, but "girls flirt with the bad boy. They marry the good guy."

I'm a chick, and i agree it happens, but for the life of me, i dunno why. Some chicks go for the bad boy to up their own self image (go figure), but occationally, it's nice to remember the good ones.

MacZ:
Physically, yes, but so what? There’s a lot more to strength and weakness than “biology”. Though perhaps not for you, since you came up with this statement in the first place, and this:

Granted - for a social animal, social cunning may outrank physical strength.
However, judging from the history of humankind, there's SOMETHING wrong with women because by and large, they haven't DONE anything.

Well so does a man’s. Don’t tell me you don’t have some generalized and possibly unfair and derogatory opinions about the opposite sex, that ( cross-your-heart) you evaluate each and every man you encounter on a strictly case-by-case basis?

Are you just randomly stringing words together or do you have a point?

And don’t tell me, “boo-hoo, but they haven’t been trampled on and put down like us poor women have.” So what? Things change, no thanks to theories and harping on the past. Life’s a more dynamic than that, and never quite so simple as you seem to think it is.

Okay, so you DON'T have a point.

And I tend to agree with what Tablariddim says, that

This - and I'm not insulting you or being catty - is simply because you have a small dick. It's not that difficult to satisfy a woman sexually.

However, women have evolved to be selective in who they mate with. Bearing the entire burden of pregnency, they must invest more in their progeny than men need - thus, they must find fitter men than men need find fitter women.

Of course you don't realize this because you're a useless decadent...

Truthseeker:

Anyways... it is tough to be romantic when girls mostly valorizes tough and sour guys...

Yes well, etymology of the word "valor".
Why do you think women prefer strength?
The "bad boy" term is inane. Women prefer strength. If they cannot find it, or their standards have been so corrupted by modern life, they will pursue the illusion.

Swedishfish:
i'm not raising anything into adulthood until i'm ready to. men that think women who understand their sexuality are (insert sexist insult here) need to get over themselves.

There's a difference between understanding one's sexuality and being double-deep-dicked by men you met five minutes beforehand.

we're humans. humans enjoy sex. that's just the way it is.

History tells an entirely different story.
Mind the stds.

MSBF:
I'm curious, how many males really think that a virgin in uni is a good thing? Most of the time, and i do get the whole "i'm a guy, therefore i'm getting some" impression, so i wonder, why do us women wait if there's noone out there to respect the fact

It's this really difficult concept called "not being a disgusting whore".
Why don't women want to be disgusting whores, even though it's what men and MTV prefer? Beats me. Must be instinct.

Because we're insane. All guys know that don't you?

I can't remember where i heard it from, but "girls flirt with the bad boy. They marry the good guy."

I'm a chick, and i agree it happens, but for the life of me, i dunno why. Some chicks go for the bad boy to up their own self image (go figure), but occationally, it's nice to remember the good ones.
It's nice if that would ever happen... At least not with me... :p
Anyhow... I have another thread going on about that. If you want to talk about it, go there ;)
I Have Said It Once, And I'll Say It Again (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35239)

Heres what i understand from all of this:

From what i've learned reading these posts, we have sort of an equalibrium between men and women when it comes to sexualiy and relationships.

Men can have all the sex they want without ridicule, but in reality it's controlled by the willingness of the woman to comply. Women controll what men do sexualy (in terms of heterosexual relationships in the free world), but sacrafice the freedom from scrutiny that men have because of the power they have over men.

They have us men by the balls, but if they let go too much, they get thier hand slapped!

""It's this really difficult concept called "not being a disgusting whore".
Why don't women want to be disgusting whores, even though it's what men and MTV prefer? Beats me. Must be instinct.""

There's difference between sleeping with your boyfriends, and sleeping with the first guy that looks at you in a club. There is a 'in between'. Where in this 'in between' region that guys judge you on is more the question.

"Men can have all the sex they want without ridicule, but in reality it's controlled by the willingness of the woman to comply. Women controll what men do sexualy (in terms of heterosexual relationships in the free world), but sacrafice the freedom from scrutiny that men have because of the power they have over men. "

Very true. Men are the "lets go" bit in the relationships, women are the stops.

In the girls' world the last thing you want to do is date a "stud". After all, if he's had so many girlfriends then they've all dumped him for a reason. Who said that being a stud was a good thing and would attract girls? What's cooler is the whiney little nerds coz they treat you like a princess coz they're flattered for attention.

Heres the thing: Most guys will do whatever a woman lets him do. It is that simple.

This doesen't hold for every guy or every woman. I know a couple of fat girls who would let me do an awful lot to them but I wouldn't in a million years.

And about the guy being the virgin discussion up there, I'll admit to being a virgin. The reason is because I only want to know what it feels like to have sex with ONE woman my whole life, I'm doing it for her.

And about the guy being the virgin discussion up there, I'll admit to being a virgin. The reason is because I only want to know what it feels like to have sex with ONE woman my whole life, I'm doing it for her.
Be careful with that. It seems that some girls get scared with that... :rolleyes:

then you must really be the only guy on the planet following that :| kudos.

A Neo-Nazi friend of mine once put it to me that a man has to spread his seed, while the woman just has to shut up and take it. That things should be like in pre-historic times where you just knock one over the head with the a club, drag her back to your cave, "fuck her till she bleeds", and put her back where you found her.


Interesting how people have different views.

then you must really be the only guy on the planet following that :| kudos.
I was following it but i've found the right person now(at least she better be), most christians have to wait aswel, no sex before marraige remember after all.

I was following it but i've found the right person now(at least she better be), most christians have to wait aswel, no sex before marraige remember after all.
I'm sorry to say it, but it takes really a while before you find the "right person". Really... I thought that before and I was extremely wrong... :eek:

hmmmmmmmmmm, well... if you're wrong... so much for that then, eh?

I was.
I'm not in love with anyone right now anyways...

sorry, that was for Lemming.
Ah being in love sucks anyway.

No wonder I'm jaded.

Ah being in love sucks anyway.
Im rather enjoying it, better than being single really.
well... if you're wrong... so much for that then, eh?
Yep i guess so, nothing i could do about it, just hope im not wrong.

Good Luck thought ;)

Being single has it's advantages, but yar, finding the right one, talk about looking for the holy grail.