View Full Version : Why give up on fusion?


John J. Bannan
06-29-07, 09:40 AM
The U.S. government has pulled funding on fusion research. Why do this considering the tremendous benefits of such technology?

spidergoat
06-29-07, 09:45 AM
Their energy policy revolves around oil.

John J. Bannan
06-29-07, 11:01 AM
Are any other countries taking on the research?

oreodont
06-29-07, 11:24 AM
Their energy policy revolves around oil.

Not really. the U.S. government has funded research on civilian fusion use for nearly five decades and has spent multiples more than the rest of the world combined. There are no practical results to date.

spidergoat
06-29-07, 11:25 AM
I believe the French are about to complete a fusion reactor.

John J. Bannan
06-29-07, 11:37 AM
You mean the French are about to complete a reactor so they can study fusion - not actually produce more energy than they put in?

spidergoat
06-29-07, 11:41 AM
ITER should produce more power than it consumes. This is expressed in the value of Q, which represents the amount of thermal energy that is generated by the fusion reactions, divided by the amount of external heating. A value of Q smaller than 1 means that more power is needed to heat the plasma than is generated by fusion. JET, presently the largest tokamak in the world, has reached Q=0.65, near the point of "break even" (Q=1). ITER has to be able to produce Q=10, or Q larger then 5 when pulses are stretched towards a steady state. This is done so that, in the "burning plasma", most of the plasma heating comes from the fusion reactions themselves.

According to their website, the US is involved with this project as well.
http://www.iter.org/index.htm

psikeyhackr
07-03-07, 02:58 PM
Moon Juice

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_000630.html

psik

Xelios
07-04-07, 01:52 AM
I guess they gotta pay for the war in Iraq somehow :rolleyes:

Nikelodeon
07-04-07, 02:58 AM
The U.S. government has pulled funding on fusion research. Why do this considering the tremendous benefits of such technology?
They havent pulled out of ITER have they?

Nasor
07-04-07, 01:53 PM
Moon Juice

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_000630.html

psik

Yeah, people love to bring up helium-3 on the moon. There's the slight problem that it's much easier to fuse deuterium and tritium or even deuterium and deuterium than to fuse helium-3. And no one has yet been able to actually make a working deuterium/tritium reactor yet. Also, the supply of deuterium in the earth's ocean's is basically limitless. So, by the time we have the technology to build a helium-3 fusion reactor we will probably also have the technology to build deuterium reactors that have unlimited fuel right here on Earth. For some reason these "let's go to the moon to mine helium!" articles always forget to mention that.

There are some big advantages for using helium-3 in spacecraft propulsion, since it has a higher energy density than deuterium/tritium or deuterium/deuterium. Also the reactor can be lighter, since it would require less shielding. So yeah, if you want to build a fusion-powered interstellar space ship, helium-3 is a really good choice. But if you want to build big power plants to provide energy here on Earth, it's probably never going to be able to seriously compete with deuterium and tritium.

guthrie
07-12-07, 02:26 PM
The only snag with ITER is that it will take many years to get anywhere. The last time line I saw ended in something like the 2020's.

D H
07-12-07, 05:01 PM
The U.S. government has pulled funding on fusion research.

THis is news to me, and apparently to the fusion research budget planners (http://www.ofes.fusion.doe.gov/News/BPMLinks2007.html) in the US Department of Energy.

llong
07-12-07, 09:15 PM
Probably because the efficiency of other sources of energy (wind, solar, biomass, etc) are becoming more promising both economically and politically.

cosmictraveler
07-16-07, 11:16 PM
The U.S. government has pulled funding on fusion research. Why do this considering the tremendous benefits of such technology?


After 50 years of research and over 5 trillion dollars spent worldwide it seems that fusion can't be achieved as yrt. So do you think it is worthwile to pour more trillions of dollars into a project that shows NO signs of working or try to invest money into other forms of more environmentally friendly energy sources.

John J. Bannan
07-17-07, 08:08 AM
Where did you get the 5 trillion dollar figure? That's impossible to believe.

cosmictraveler
07-17-07, 09:28 AM
I'm thinking of all of the countries that have been trying to develop fusion for the last 50 years and I'd think that figure worldwide is close to the amount all countries put together have spent. Some countries like Russia won't tell us how much they spent but is is more than America I'd bet.

John J. Bannan
07-17-07, 09:32 AM
Yeah, but 5 trillion is so enormous a sum, I can't believe that's anywhere close to the truth.

cosmictraveler
07-17-07, 09:36 AM
Well what would you put the figure at. Also with all that money spent we reall have nothing to show for it.

Klippymitch
07-21-07, 09:46 PM
How do we know nuclear fusion even exists?

Read-Only
07-21-07, 10:22 PM
How do we know nuclear fusion even exists?

For the simplest and most direct answer, just look straight up at the sky at noon. For a slightly less direct answer, check out thermonuclear devices.

Seems to work VERY well, indeed! :)