In case anyone here doesn't know, I'm Australian, and I've attended Monash University (I'm not going to state the campus, for obvious reasons) for the past two years.

I grew up in the country, which was a fairly homogenous society. Most of my countrymen were Anglo-Saxon. Some were mainland Europeaners (Slavs, French, Spanish) etc., but you usually couldn't tell due to the process of assimilation over many generations.

Hence it was a shock for me to visit one of our cities, where multiculturism thrives. In my particular university campus, there are more foreign students than native students, and most of these foreigners are Chinese or Malay/Indonesian Muslims (usually from Malaysia and Indonesia). Often they form their own exclusive groups, and speak in their own lingo. Many restaurants and places in the campus seem to be almost entirely populated by Malaysian Chinese. Several suburbs near the campus suffer from drug trade problems and high crime, due to Asian gangs.

The effect of this is simple: I feel like an alien, a stranger, in my own country. Our society is fragmented, there is a lack of unity and patriotism amongst Australians in my area. Quite simply, Count Suduko is right. First world countries are being invaded by foreigners who refuse to assimilate, and who tend to produce more children than their white counterparts. It is inevitable that if this continues to occur, whites will become a minority group, aliens in their own country.

We are being invaded, much as the old colonialists invaded the natives. Hell, violence wasn't even necessary. They just established their own businesses, their own villages, extracted natural resources, outcompeted the natives, and hey presto, whitey wins. Now the shoe is on the other foot. There is no need for guns, when you can use stealth.

Why are whites so docile regarding this invasion? Why do they allow their jobs, and the university places for their children, to be snapped up by foreigners? Hell, even the abbo's fought back against British colonialism. In fact, pretty much every colonized civilization, no matter how small, weak and pathetic when compared to the British Empire, resisted in some fashion. So why does whitey not resist? Are we truly more pathetic than the aborigines of old, who were willing to fight white guns with spears and stones?

Why do I feel like a stranger in my own country?
I don't know...
Because you're a bigot?

Why don't you just start a competitive procreation group or something if you're worried about being out-reproduced?

i totally understand how mountainhare is feeling. i went to Chinatown in Sydney and i got looked at so funny by so many Asian people. Probably coz i have red hair lol
but yeh i felt really out of place too.. but im glad its not like that where i live. where i live every nationality seem to embrace each other and get along.

And i dont think invasion is the best way to put it either.. it sounds very harsh and threatening. but guess that's the look you were goin for. i think multiculturalism is a good thing. But only when people embrace it and accept each other's differences. not like at Cronulla. thats an example of when it all turns pear-shaped and people cant accept other races.

are you against multiculturalism? or just to the point where it gets too overwhelming and too much of a majority?

So why does whitey not resist? Are we truly more pathetic than the aborigines of old, who were willing to fight white guns with spears and stones?

Perhaps this "invasion" isn't going to subjugate "whitey"? In North America, the indigenous tribes cooperated in large part until it was obvious they were being shafted. Then they fought back, and they lost. What was at stake then is different from now. They stood to start at parity and fall away to inferiority. White cultures of imperial association stand to start at superiority and fall in to parity. It's a huge difference.

Sucks to be you, I guess. I have never felt the necessity of being surrounded by monochromatic people to validate my existence.

On the bright side, I've never felt the need to believe in a radical religious dogma straight from the Dark Ages.

The natives are coming!

Natives?
I seriously doubt mountainhare is an indigenous Australian.

Most of my countrymen were Anglo-Saxon. Some were mainland Europeaners (Slavs, French, Spanish) etc., but you usually couldn't tell due to the process of assimilation over many generations.

Multi-culturalism is OK, if they all pretend they are all of the same culture - even though THAT so-called culture usurped the culture that WAS there.
It's just fine for Europeans to live anywhere they want - and they even call it their own - when Asians (or anyone else) tries to move into another country, that's another story. If they do it illegally, they are aliens and should be stopped. If they do it legally, they are covert insurgetns and should be stopped. Don't let them buy the land we stole!

On the bright side, I've never felt the need to believe in a radical religious dogma straight from the Dark Ages.

Still sucks to be you, since the mooslims are taking over your monochromatic idyll. :)

So you admit that Muslims are attempting a covert takeover of foreign territory? Why on earth would they do that, when they have such shitho... umm, lovely 'native' land to dwell on?

one_raven:

It's just fine for Europeans to live anywhere they want


Not according to the Asians, the Indians, the Arabs, the Persians, the Turks, and the Africans. They fought fiercely to drive whites out of their respect countries/Empires. Why can't I be afforded the same luxury?

Oh, wait, silly me. 'My' white ancestors conquered the territory I live on, whereas the Arabs, Indians, Africans and Asians not once in their life use war to gain territory. The poor bastards never used violence for means of conquest.

Keep justifying your bigotry.
You will regardless, so I won't bother arguing your inane "points".

Okay, teasing aside, perhaps you should look at this in a different way. Take the opportunity to learn a new language, a new culture.

My two closest friends right now are a conservative Catholic Korean and an atheist lesbian liberal American.

Where I worked previously, my favorite person to work with (because he was funny and sweet) was an Egyptian Christian who could only speak and understand Arabic and had never been anywhere outside the ME; I had to work really really hard at my Arabic to understand him, but it was worth it.

A second person I liked was a young Saudi guy who worked with me (he even called me in India when I was on vacation).

Superficially I have absolutely nothing in common with any of these people, but knowing them and interacting with them has enriched my life and outlook in many different ways.

Or perhaps I should move to China with my buddies, and set up 'Aussietown'. It will be populated by whites who eat Aussie cuisine, speak English in public, and show a total disdain for the Chinese peoples and their culture. And if any of the Chinese residents complain, I'll label them 'bigots', and ask them if they are native to Tibet.

What a very silly fellow you are! :)

It's a shame to live life entombed and shrouded in such fear and hatred.
I feel pity for you.

S.A.M:

What a very silly fellow you are!


Is that an insult? Should I hit the 'Report' button?

Oh, wait, silly me. 'My' white ancestors conquered the territory I live on, whereas the Arabs, Indians, Africans and Asians not once in their life use war to gain territory. The poor bastards never used violence for means of conquest.



This shows what degree of understanding and education you have. Better get back to those books called HISTORY and just look up the MOORS for one example. I can go on but it would be silly seeing that you seem to know alot about HISTORY.

Mountain the reason this happens is because there are a few native Aussie's who benefit from cheap labour etc. There are also many native Aussie's who are prepared to let their society become fragmented and claim it to be a good thing.

The very same has happened here in the UK. However, there is now a shift away from everyone claiming multiculturalism is the best thing since sliced bread. But the wake up call to what was already so clear only came about from the London bombings.

I think Governments are playing a very dangerous game because any country is only built on it's people and if it's people are divided it could crack under the right circumstances.

I don't know...
Because you're a bigot?


Typical reply, you cannot discuss the problem or offer a solution. So, you resort to labeling. Very popular among the American left.

Please spare me the routine.

cosmic:

This shows what degree of understanding and education you have. Better get back to those books called HISTORY and just look up the MOORS for one example. I can go on but it would be silly seeing that you seem to know alot about HISTORY.


Do you know what SARCASM is?

alex:

There are also many native Aussie's who are prepared to let their society become fragmented and claim it to be a good thing.


But why?

Don't these Australians/British know that their society is being changed for the worse? Why do they allow themselves to become aliens in their own country?

...Don't these Australians/British know that their society is being changed for the worse? Why do they allow themselves to become aliens in their own country?

maybe they care more about humanity than nationality?

Orleander you seem to be presuming that it is only the indigenous race that has a social problem with migration. Races do not mix well, look at Indian/Pakistan or North Island Catholics/Protestants or Hutu and Tutsi the list is properly as long as races themselves. If you mix races within a society you divide a society and that is good for no one.

I am not passing judgment on anything here just giving an observation that can unfortunately been seen globally.

Orleander you seem to be presuming that it is only the indigenous race that has a social problem with migration. Races do not mix well, look at Indian/Pakistan or North Island Catholics/Protestants or Hutu and Tutsi the list is properly as long as races themselves. If you mix races within a society you divide a society and that is good for no one.

I am not passing judgment on anything here just giving an observation that can unfortunately been seen globally.

Thats because its an emulsion, you need to mix it properly. We need more mixing, not less.

I agree with you sam but the mixing of race's is governed by economics rather than social needs.

I think I'll marry a Chinese girl next time so I'll bot have to worry about being taken over, I already will be! ;)

Mountainhare the reason that minoritys have gained so much freedom to spread and claim powers within English society is due to the National Front.

When I was growing up it was common where I lived in London for Asians to have their houses petrol bombed and many people died. These actions caused a shift towards the Asian community and therefore did the exact opposite that was intended by the NF.

This state has gone on for years and years and it has only been halted by the london bombs so now the shift is moving back in the opposite direction. But the cost has been great and I find it hard to see how the damage can be undone. England has in many ways now lost its sense of identity and the government are planning to teach it in schools. It is a sad day when your nation identity needs to be taught.

I also think that English people have allowed this to happen because the race card is used so often that people have been unable to speak out. Any negative connection with any minority group is labeled racist. We have seen this behavior in this very post and you will always see it in any post of this nature. Therefore, if nobody speaks then nobody listens and nobody can act.

Mountainhare the reason that minoritys have gained so much freedom to spread and claim powers within English society is due to the National Front.

When I was growing up it was common where I lived in London for Asians to have their houses petrol bombed and many people died. These actions caused a shift towards the Asian community and therefore did the exact opposite that was intended by the NF.

This state has gone on for years and years and it has only been halted by the london bombs so now the shift is moving back in the opposite direction. But the cost has been great and I find it hard to see how the damage can be undone. England has in many ways now lost its sense of identity and the government are planning to teach it in schools. It is a sad day when your nation identity needs to be taught.

I also think that English people have allowed this to happen because the race card is used so often that people have been unable to speak out. Any negative connection with any minority group is labeled racist. We have seen this behavior in this very post and you will always see it in any post of this nature. Therefore, if nobody speaks then nobody listens and nobody can act.


That is unfortunate but you can see this as a line of cause and effect. If you let in others who are different, you have to be prepared to understand them and realize your culture will need to change. A human being is not an object and no, they can't become "english." It's unrealistic to the degree people expect it. Otherwise, letting in others and not realizing that you are racist or prejudicial will cause these types of problems when you are not prepared or ready to truly by multicultural.

In case anyone here doesn't know, I'm Australian, and I've attended Monash University (I'm not going to state the campus, for obvious reasons) for the past two years.

I grew up in the country, which was a fairly homogenous society. Most of my countrymen were Anglo-Saxon. Some were mainland Europeaners (Slavs, French, Spanish) etc., but you usually couldn't tell due to the process of assimilation over many generations.

Hence it was a shock for me to visit one of our cities, where multiculturism thrives. In my particular university campus, there are more foreign students than native students, and most of these foreigners are Chinese or Malay/Indonesian Muslims (usually from Malaysia and Indonesia). Often they form their own exclusive groups, and speak in their own lingo. Many restaurants and places in the campus seem to be almost entirely populated by Malaysian Chinese. Several suburbs near the campus suffer from drug trade problems and high crime, due to Asian gangs.

The effect of this is simple: I feel like an alien, a stranger, in my own country. Our society is fragmented, there is a lack of unity and patriotism amongst Australians in my area. Quite simply, Count Suduko is right. First world countries are being invaded by foreigners who refuse to assimilate, and who tend to produce more children than their white counterparts. It is inevitable that if this continues to occur, whites will become a minority group, aliens in their own country.

We are being invaded, much as the old colonialists invaded the natives. Hell, violence wasn't even necessary. They just established their own businesses, their own villages, extracted natural resources, outcompeted the natives, and hey presto, whitey wins. Now the shoe is on the other foot. There is no need for guns, when you can use stealth.

Why are whites so docile regarding this invasion? Why do they allow their jobs, and the university places for their children, to be snapped up by foreigners? Hell, even the abbo's fought back against British colonialism. In fact, pretty much every colonized civilization, no matter how small, weak and pathetic when compared to the British Empire, resisted in some fashion. So why does whitey not resist? Are we truly more pathetic than the aborigines of old, who were willing to fight white guns with spears and stones?

Is it true that Australians are bared from serving on Jurys involving a Aborigine defendant? Due to the countrys problem with extrem racisim?

Or perhaps I should move to China with my buddies, and set up 'Aussietown'. It will be populated by whites who eat Aussie cuisine, speak English in public, and show a total disdain for the Chinese peoples and their culture. And if any of the Chinese residents complain, I'll label them 'bigots', and ask them if they are native to Tibet.

Move to Iceland problem solved. I don't know why racists complain all the damm time. Do what the Southern Blacks did. Move North!

No thanks. I'd much rather fight back against invasion, instead of flee.

You just need to be surrounded by jews they'll protect ya.

I don't know how Australians can complain about immigrants when they have only been in the country for a few hundred years. They're immigrants themselves! If you want to fit in, try learning one of the aborigine languages, or perhaps the didgeridoo.

Mountainhare.
How's your toothache by the way?

Or perhaps I should move to China with my buddies, and set up 'Aussietown'. It will be populated by whites who eat Aussie cuisine, speak English in public, and show a total disdain for the Chinese peoples and their culture. And if any of the Chinese residents complain, I'll label them 'bigots', and ask them if they are native to Tibet.

Whats Aussie Cuisine ?
I'm Australian, and i could never properly define that, even fish and chips seems to have come from overseas.

Why do you feel like a stranger in your own country ?
Probably because you don't know your country well enough. Things are changing, with the advent of globalisation which NOBODY can stop, multiculturalism is the only way to go. Sydney and Australia will become a different mix of religions and ethnicities. So unless you want to go back to your dark age mentality, then you must adapt.
Yes, its annoying when they speak in their own language, but only because you don't understand, When that same person speaking chinese comes over and starts talking in fluent english as many of my friends do, you'll turn right around.
O and why aren't we patriotic enough ?, well, we've always had prime ministers who didn't stand up for our interests and were always allied toward the UK (Hughes) and the US (Menzies, Howard). Everything else about morals, values that make you different from them are not really that different. Oh, and try not to think that the extreme is reality.

So go on, make some multicultural friends, lose your fear of the unknown.

Whitey has been taught multiculturalism is good and everyone else has been taught to value their culture. White men and women bought this hook line and sinker. So taxes are paid for foreigners to have lots of babies and whitey go bye bye quietly into the night.

I don't know...
Because you're a bigot?

Because white people have way too many people like One Raven in their ranks.

i totally understand how mountainhare is feeling. i went to Chinatown in Sydney and i got looked at so funny by so many Asian people. Probably coz i have red hair lol
but yeh i felt really out of place too.. but im glad its not like that where i live. where i live every nationality seem to embrace each other and get along.

And i dont think invasion is the best way to put it either.. it sounds very harsh and threatening. but guess that's the look you were goin for. i think multiculturalism is a good thing. But only when people embrace it and accept each other's differences. not like at Cronulla. thats an example of when it all turns pear-shaped and people cant accept other races.

are you against multiculturalism? or just to the point where it gets too overwhelming and too much of a majority?

Cronulla was where groups of lebs would assault and harass white people. Funny that some whites didn't appreciate that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Cronulla_riots

The 2005 Cronulla riots were a series of ethnically motivated mob confrontations which originated in and around Cronulla, a beachfront suburb of Sydney, Australia. Soon after the 'riot', ethnically motivated violent incidents occurred in several other Sydney suburbs.

On Sunday, December 11, 2005, approximately 5000 people had gathered to protest in response to some recently reported incidents of assaults and intimidatory behaviour by groups of non-locals, some of whom were identified in earlier media reports as Middle Eastern youths from the suburbs of Western Sydney. The crowd had assembled following a series of earlier confrontations, and an assault on three off-duty lifesavers which had taken place the previous weekend. [1]

Does anyone see the irony in white racists crying victim?

Why don't you just start a competitive procreation group or something if you're worried about being out-reproduced?

Why didn't the Indians just reproduce more than the Euros coming into North America?

Or perhaps I should move to China with my buddies, and set up 'Aussietown'. It will be populated by whites who eat Aussie cuisine, speak English in public, and show a total disdain for the Chinese peoples and their culture. And if any of the Chinese residents complain, I'll label them 'bigots', and ask them if they are native to Tibet.

Non white countires are funny. They don't let in a flood of foreigners to colonize their country. Look at Mexico for example.

Whats Aussie Cuisine ?
I'm Australian, and i could never properly define that, even fish and chips seems to have come from overseas.

Why do you feel like a stranger in your own country ?
Probably because you don't know your country well enough. Things are changing, with the advent of globalisation which NOBODY can stop,

That is bullshit. I don't see Japan, Israel, South Korea or any non-white country flooding themselves with aliens.

Multiculturalism is the only way to go.

Only a retard would believe this. Throughout history, multracialsim has been a curse not a blessing.

Sydney and Australia will become a different mix of religions and ethnicities. So unless you want to go back to your dark age mentality, then you must adapt.

Maybe he should band together with some other like minded white people and tell you to take a flying leap.

It is time for white people to stop voting for any political party that allows the mass invasion of their homelands (which is almost all of them). Christ, even the fucking Green party is in favor of this when mass immigration is bad for the environment.

Non white countires are funny. They don't let in a flood of foreigners to colonize their country. Look at Mexico for example.

That's because we're a greedy capitalist country. The elites will even throw it's own citizens under the bus just so they can make an extra buck. They refuse to protect the borders. Let floods of illegals come through, then we have to foot the bill with our tax dollars. That's the elite punishing us for not doing their menial jobs. I live in California, so I know the effects of immigration. However, in my part of town they've actually improved it. The streets have never been cleaner. They're excellent cooks, they're staffing the kitchens in just about every 5 star resteraunt in the Bay. If you need anything done on your house. You can guarantee that's it's done quickly, without sacraficing quality, nor do they rip you off in the process like the average contractor. They've been a benefit in my area, I'm sure the citizens in L.A willl beg to differ however.

That's because we're a greedy capitalist country.

Japan, South Korea and Israel aren't capitalist countries?

Mountain the reason this happens is because there are a few native Aussie's who benefit from cheap labour etc. There are also many native Aussie's who are prepared to let their society become fragmented and claim it to be a good thing.

The very same has happened here in the UK. However, there is now a shift away from everyone claiming multiculturalism is the best thing since sliced bread. But the wake up call to what was already so clear only came about from the London bombings.

I think Governments are playing a very dangerous game because any country is only built on it's people and if it's people are divided it could crack under the right circumstances.

Native Aussies?...Aborigines! :)

In the UK..and I can at least speak with some knowledge here..there is a breakdown as you suggest because of a sudden influx of immigration..far more than Australia. In fact most of the emigrants to Oz seem to be old English folk who don't like people of a different colour..so I dont know why he's complaining.

As for the so-called 'London Bombings'..well they pale into insignificance compared to the carnage inflicted by the Irish so perhaps you'd want the Irish removed as well?

That's because we're a greedy capitalist country. The elites will even throw it's own citizens under the bus just so they can make an extra buck. They refuse to protect the borders. Let floods of illegals come through, then we have to foot the bill with our tax dollars. That's the elite punishing us for not doing their menial jobs. I live in California, so I know the effects of immigration. However, in my part of town they've actually improved it. The streets have never been cleaner. They're excellent cooks, they're staffing the kitchens in just about every 5 star resteraunt in the Bay. If you need anything done on your house. You can guarantee that's it's done quickly, without sacraficing quality, nor do they rip you off in the process like the average contractor. They've been a benefit in my area, I'm sure the citizens in L.A willl beg to differ however.

Yeah we did the same with West Indians in the 50's and now Polish and East Europeans...theyre used to a lower standard of living so they can easily undercut the working class here..

..its when the working class get angry that you need to worry. Thats why theres a lot of unrest here at the moment.

Japan, South Korea and Israel aren't capitalist countries?

Their citizens don't have any problems doing menial jobs. However, ours do.

True..without immigration our transport system would have come to a halt in 1959..not that it needs much help.

:-/

Throughout history, multracialsim has been a curse not a blessing.

This is only true for people who invest their identities in such paltry assets as skin color. In other words, multiracialism and multiculturalism are only curses on the utterly stupid.

For the rest of humanity, it's natural. We've been mixing and matching throughout the whole of our history.

This is only true for people who invest their identities in such paltry assets as skin color. In other words, multiracialism and multiculturalism are only curses on the utterly stupid.

For the rest of humanity, it's natural. We've been mixing and matching throughout the whole of our history.

First off, there are way more differences than skin color. Second, if you look at Rwanda, Yugoslavia and Iraq you'll see the consequences of forcing different people to live in the same country.

Their citizens don't have any problems doing menial jobs. However, ours do.

Our citizens don't have a problem with menial jobs as long as they aren't paid slave wages.

Our citizens don't have a problem with menial jobs as long as they aren't paid slave wages.

Don't worry, when the economy tanks under the credit/debt burden, they'll be happy to work for half the minimum wage. Nothing like a little adversity to set priorities right.

Our citizens don't have a problem with menial jobs as long as they aren't paid slave wages.

In the U.S., the idea of paying a living wage to workers is viewed as a grave threat to the economy. There's a reason employers are willing to break the law to hire people viewed as having no rights.

First off, there are way more differences than skin color. Second, if you look at Rwanda, Yugoslavia and Iraq you'll see the consequences of forcing different people to live in the same country.

That's why I included multiculturalism in my response, despite your restriction of the issue to "multiracialism".

If no one was sweeping the streets the government would find a way to resolve the issue. It's just easier to ship in people to do the job.

Our citizens don't have a problem with menial jobs as long as they aren't paid slave wages.

Well at one point they didn't have any problem at all doing menial jobs but then they got lazy and resentful and it got to the state where they now regard doing menial jobs as beneath them. Its the celebrity culture I expect. Decadence has set in etc..

Although apparently sponging off the State is perfectly okay! So theres little point in grumbling about the situation.

A hotel that I have used regularly over the years used to have all British students as waiters, case humpers etc. Now they have all Polish. The owner explained
1 They always turn up for work, even when they are ill
2 When they arrive at work, that's what they do from the time they arrive, until the time they leave - work
3 Any sort of absenteeism is non existent - which leads on to
4 He only has to employ 70% of the staff that he used to
5 They are polite and do not have "attitude" with the hotel guests
6 They never turn up with hangovers from being out "clubbing"
7 The budget for these staff is the same, so he pays the Poles more than he was paying the British, because there is less of them and they do a better job. They have a guy with a degree in tourism, from the University of Warsaw, doing the washing up in the kitchen until he can get a better job.

The truth is that they're much more pleasant ,less begrudging and simply have more pleasant manners.

Our citizens don't have a problem with menial jobs as long as they aren't paid slave wages.

There's no such thing as slave wages in a capitilist society. You earn what you're worth.

Well at one point they didn't have any problem at all doing menial jobs but then they got lazy and resentful and it got to the state where they now regard doing menial jobs as beneath them. Its the celebrity culture I expect. Decadence has set in etc..

Although apparently sponging off the State is perfectly okay! So theres little point in grumbling about the situation.

A hotel that I have used regularly over the years used to have all British students as waiters, case humpers etc. Now they have all Polish. The owner explained
1 They always turn up for work, even when they are ill
2 When they arrive at work, that's what they do from the time they arrive, until the time they leave - work
3 Any sort of absenteeism is non existent - which leads on to
4 He only has to employ 70% of the staff that he used to
5 They are polite and do not have "attitude" with the hotel guests
6 They never turn up with hangovers from being out "clubbing"
7 The budget for these staff is the same, so he pays the Poles more than he was paying the British, because there is less of them and they do a better job. They have a guy with a degree in tourism, from the University of Warsaw, doing the washing up in the kitchen until he can get a better job.

The truth is that they're much more pleasant ,less begrudging and simply have more pleasant manners.

BINGO!!!! That's why the US Government won't shut down our borders. For the reasons that you eloquently stated above. They would hire a Mexican over an American in a heart beat. Because they take pride in their work no matter how shitty it is.

Because they take pride in their work no matter how shitty it is.

I'm just going to make the point that, while I'm pretty sure I understand what you're saying (the context makes it clear), that statement can be read as either praise or criticism of immigrants.

Really, Ganymede ... I do get you. But I also wanted to thank you for the chuckle. (If you ever run for public office, we might see that quote on FOX News ....)

Don't worry, when the economy tanks under the credit/debt burden, they'll be happy to work for half the minimum wage. Nothing like a little adversity to set priorities right.

Diversity will be a real blessing if you find ourselves in another depression. Imagine 1929 with half the population non-white.

In the U.S., the idea of paying a living wage to workers is viewed as a grave threat to the economy. There's a reason employers are willing to break the law to hire people viewed as having no rights.

It's not cheap when you factor in all the expense they cause the government.

That's why I included multiculturalism in my response, despite your restriction of the issue to "multiracialism".

AFAIK multiculturalism is multiracialism. What is an example of it not being so?

There's no such thing as slave wages in a capitilist society. You earn what you're worth.

There is when the government allows a huge number of illiterate peasants from Mexico into the country. It's not slave wages for them, it is for us. Any kids they have which grow up here will attest to that.

S.A.M:

Does anyone see the irony in white racists crying victim?


Does anyone see the irony in Mooslims crying victim?

Chris:

How's your toothache by the way?


Toeache.
Healing very slowly.

Thanks for asking. :)

S.A.M:


Does anyone see the irony in Mooslims crying victim?


I remember some very profound anti-semitic posts from you.:bugeye:

I grew up in the country, which was a fairly homogenous society. Most of my countrymen were Anglo-Saxon. Some were mainland Europeaners (Slavs, French, Spanish) etc., but you usually couldn't tell due to the process of assimilation over many generations.We Americans all think that Australia is just like here, except in a 50-year time warp. Haven't you already gotten waves of immigrants, and haven't their children and grandchildren all assimilated and become Australian like you? That's what invariably happens here. 150 years ago our people looked down on the Chinese, 125 years ago on the Irish, 100 years ago on the Slavic peoples, 75 years ago on the Italians. Now their descendants are all as American as apple pie and they've joined the descendants of the English, French, Dutch and Germans in looking down on the Latinos, Indians and Ghanaians. And in a generation or two those people's descendants will be eating pizza and playing baseball and looking down on whatever people are immigrating then. Is Australia not a Melting Pot like the USA?England has in many ways now lost its sense of identity and the government are planning to teach it in schools. It is a sad day when your nation identity needs to be taught.What an utterly preposterous thing for a "British" person to say. I thought you people looked down on us Americans for not knowing history! You're not even "British," you stole that name from the native Celtic people whom the Anglo-Saxon invaders conquered, marginalized and displaced. Then in 1066 the Normans came and did the same thing to the "Anglisc" people, although this time they intermarried with them and that resulted in a mixed ethnicity. Your national "identity" is nothing but a hodgepodge of one group of foreigners conquering the descendants of another. You, of all nationalities, have no right to complain about "invasions" of foreigners!Whitey has been taught multiculturalism is good and everyone else has been taught to value their culture.What, pray tell, is "white culture"? Our national food is pizza. The rock and roll music which symbolizes America to much of the world is a Latin American backbeat superimposed over the R&B that was created by African-Americans. Our breweries were all built by Germans.Non white countires are funny. They don't let in a flood of foreigners to colonize their country. Look at Mexico for example.Where do you live, Siberia? You known nothing of Mexico or Latin America. Latin America is like the rest of the Americas, a huge Melting Pot. They have all had huge waves of immigration. Mexico had a presdient name Guzman, Brazil had one named Kubitschek, Venezuela had one named Betancourt and Peru had one named Fujimori. The major difference between Latin America and the United States is that they did not marginalize their former slaves, so they now have no separate "black community" with its own food, music, slang and social customs.First off, there are way more differences than skin color. Second, if you look at Rwanda, Yugoslavia and Iraq you'll see the consequences of forcing different people to live in the same country.Yes, religion is often the greatest divider. That's the problem in Iraq (Sunni/Shia) and Yugoslavia (Catholic/Orthodox/Muslim). It was briefly a problem here in the late 19th Century in the South, when the KKK persecuted Catholics and Jews, but in general America has escaped serious religious strife. Most immigrants either are Christians before they come or convert when they arrive. Jews are so happy not to be persecuted that their community has become largely secular and is vanishing into the Melting Pot. It will be interesting to see whether the grandchildren of the new immigrants from Muslim countries follow the same pattern and either assimilate to America's dominant religion or become irreligious.Diversity will be a real blessing if you find ourselves in another depression. Imagine 1929 with half the population non-white.They left the countries in which their roots lie in order to find prosperity. If they don't find it here, what makes you think they'll be any more likely to stick around and be poor in a foreign country?

Governments like immigrants because they:

Drive down inflation
They will work for less, and harder.


They are motivated people with some spirit in them,
otherwise they wouldn't move

They cost nothing to educate and bring to working age
When a country loses a fit 20 year old to join our workforce,
they might as well be writing our government a cheque for £100,000.
It's a steal.

Do you think the US would have 20,000,000 immigrants (UK probably4,000,000) if the governments were serious about keeping them out?
They want them. They just can't make it part of their official policy.

<< What, pray tell, is "white culture"? Our national food is pizza. The rock and roll music which symbolizes America to much of the world is a Latin American backbeat superimposed over the R&B that was created by African-Americans. Our breweries were all built by Germans. >>

To be fair...they ARE white...apart from the music.

I don't know why the Aussies and the Yanks are complaining...the US was built on immigration purely because it was a vast under-populated continent and, despite this immigration..

“England is now nearly twice as crowded as Germany, four times France and twelve times the US"

So if all were fair...the Aussies and US should be taking in far MORE immigrants.

Fraggle Rock is being slightly disingenous when it comes to immigration...Muslims really aren't welcomed at all in the USA and are more likely to find themselves ghettoised alongisde all the other immigrants (whilst the whites live in rish gated communities) I know people who live in the US and most neighborhoods rarely intermix at night anymore..or even during the day. The new batch of Muslims in particular are cold shouldered by the Americans and are generally not welcomed at all or even given Mosques to worship in (unlike Europe).

Mexicans fill the lowliest of jobs and the Black population distrust the Jews and seem more and more prone to join up with Louis Farrakhan due to their mistreatment.

All in not well I'm afraid...it is an Empire that is ready to fall. I'd suggest that the Chinese and the Eastern Countries will take over...Putin, having fooled Bush and turned him into a poodle is handing lots of armaments and cash to the Muslim world and its only a matter of time before the US economy collapses.

Originally Posted by Count Sudoku

Non white countires are funny. They don't let in a flood of foreigners to colonize their country. Look at Mexico for example. ”

Where do you live, Siberia? You known nothing of Mexico or Latin America. Latin America is like the rest of the Americas, a huge Melting Pot. They have all had huge waves of immigration. Mexico had a presdient name Guzman, Brazil had one named Kubitschek, Venezuela had one named Betancourt and Peru had one named Fujimori. The major difference between Latin America and the United States is that they did not marginalize their former slaves, so they now have no separate "black community" with its own food, music, slang and social customs.“

I know Mexico has one of the most strict immigration policies in the World. As for the rest of Latin America, whatever immigration they allow isn't racially transforming the area like most white countries.

Originally Posted by Count Sudoku

First off, there are way more differences than skin color. Second, if you look at Rwanda, Yugoslavia and Iraq you'll see the consequences of forcing different people to live in the same country.

Yes, religion is often the greatest divider. That's the problem in Iraq (Sunni/Shia) and Yugoslavia (Catholic/Orthodox/Muslim). It was briefly a problem here in the late 19th Century in the South, when the KKK persecuted Catholics and Jews, but in general America has escaped serious religious strife. Most immigrants either are Christians before they come or convert when they arrive. Jews are so happy not to be persecuted that their community has become largely secular and is vanishing into the Melting Pot. It will be interesting to see whether the grandchildren of the new immigrants from Muslim countries follow the same pattern and either assimilate to America's dominant religion or become irreligious.“

Thank you. Religious diversity is a weakness as well.

Originally Posted by Count Sudoku

Diversity will be a real blessing if you find ourselves in another depression. Imagine 1929 with half the population non-white. ”

They left the countries in which their roots lie in order to find prosperity. If they don't find it here, what makes you think they'll be any more likely to stick around and be poor in a foreign country?

I don't want them here period. Most white people won't want them here either if there is an economic collapse and intense competition for resources.

Governments like immigrants because they:

Drive down inflation
They will work for less, and harder.


They are motivated people with some spirit in them,
otherwise they wouldn't move

They cost nothing to educate and bring to working age
When a country loses a fit 20 year old to join our workforce,
they might as well be writing our government a cheque for £100,000.
It's a steal.

Do you think the US would have 20,000,000 immigrants (UK probably4,000,000) if the governments were serious about keeping them out?
They want them. They just can't make it part of their official policy.

Massive legal immigration is official government policy and while it beneftis a few interest groups it works against the average citizen.

i love that i live in a multicultural envoiroment, i find that in mixed areas people are less racist. i live in the london inner city, we have every race you can imagine here and its great. the only people who dont like it are the old fashioned white racists who cant accept change.

english culture is still there it has not gone anywhere, but we have aquired new culture to go alon side it. i find that out in the all white suburbs the white people are more racist.


i love the look old fashioned racist peoples faces when i can tell they hate it but have not got the balls to say anything openly. i really love it so much.


praise change.


peace.

I know how you feel, I went on a camp where there were all country boys, and here i was a foreigner (from a different city and country) they weren't too bad, i suppose i'd be suspicious too if i were them. but the initial reaction and random ways they looked at me was hard to get over. Once you do, then you are fine.
But yeah, i enjoy having dinner at my (white) friends places and inviting them over to mine. Its interesting, to say the least.

Challenger:

I know how you feel, I went on a camp where there were all country boys, and here i was a foreigner (from a different city and country)


Imagine the same situation, but reversed. You are the minority, the outsider, in your OWN country!

Your country has changed, keep up. If not, go adopt another country, Harsh but true.

Sort of the like the Jews should have been forced to adopt another country after the rise of Hitler? ;)

Merely because my country is changing, does not mean I should accept that change. If the change is for the worst, I will be vocal, and fight that change.

Thats your prerogative. And yes, they should have been forced to adopt another country and not take one from the people of Palestine.
And for those who might call me anti semitic after this know its the truth.
So unless you can take say, Norfolk Island for yourself and establish a white culture only state, then go and join Pauline Hansen

This shows what degree of understanding and education you have. Better get back to those books called HISTORY and just look up the MOORS for one example. I can go on but it would be silly seeing that you seem to know alot about HISTORY.

Laughable.

And what did they leave behind, CT?

The Moors excelled in city planning; the sophistication of their cities was astonishing. Cordova alone "had 471 mosques and 300 public baths … the number of houses of the great and noble were 63,000 and 200,077 of the common people. There were … upwards of 80,000 shops. Water from the mountain was distributed through every corner and quarter of the city.

They turned a primitive society and transformed it into one of the greatest cities in Europe. We should be grateful!

i love that i live in a multicultural envoiroment, i find that in mixed areas people are less racist. i live in the london inner city, we have every race you can imagine here and its great. the only people who dont like it are the old fashioned white racists who cant accept change.

english culture is still there it has not gone anywhere, but we have aquired new culture to go alon side it. i find that out in the all white suburbs the white people are more racist.


i love the look old fashioned racist peoples faces when i can tell they hate it but have not got the balls to say anything openly. i really love it so much.


praise change.


peace.

Its wonderful isn't it..the wide variety of food is astonishing. English food used to be the laughing stock of the World...it can now be argued that we are the epicentre of good food.

The Music scene is thriving and in a constant state of flux as new influences intermix and create new forms..the cross pollination of cultural references is a blessing and makes for a vibrant society.

Leave these poor people to shiver in their gated communities, Chi! It must be tedious to talk and mix with people exactly like yoursefl and with the same opinions...one may as well talk to the bathroom mirror! :shrug:

<< Non white countires are funny. They don't let in a flood of foreigners to colonize their country. Look at Mexico for example. ” >>

Its a poor country..poor people don't emigrate to an even poorer country...they go to better themselves and find a richer country.

I'm rather surprised I have to point out the bloomin obvious!

Its wonderful isn't it..the wide variety of food is astonishing.

The Music scene is thriving and in a constant state of flux as new influences intermix and create new forms

You are referring to the true sense of multiculturlism. But this is not the mainstream sense of multiculturalism.

As usual most here deny the true meaning, and then when those who recognize have something to say about it. They are labeled or otherwise referred to negatively.

Not argeeing with biracial marriages or multicultural societies is not requirement for a racist or some other kind of "ic" or "ist".

One can harbor a sense of racial, cultural, or religious purity while still being appreciative of other races, cultures and religions. This is a truer sense of multiculturalism.

Failure to assimilate, creating laws designed to force segregation, creating more laws designed to police thought (hate crimes), are not ways to express multiculturalism.

Though I cannot speak for the original posters thoughts, or others who are in line with those thoughts; I do think that this is more of what they are trying to express, in addition to, the other issues they have written of.

Mountainhare, I am a Australian like you and I have a question...Who were the first peoples to arrive in Australia? Were they white?

Sorry to any native peoples who read this thread!! Even educated people are not very intelligent sometimes.

Racism is the lowest form of intelligence!! The white Australia policy ended in the sixties, come out of your time warp mountainha it is the year 2007!!!

<< Non white countires are funny. They don't let in a flood of foreigners to colonize their country. Look at Mexico for example. ” >>

Its a poor country..poor people don't emigrate to an even poorer country...they go to better themselves and find a richer country.

I'm rather surprised I have to point out the bloomin obvious!

Mexico has an illegal immigration problem from the countries south of it. They however treat their illegals way differently than we do.

Your country has changed, keep up. If not, go adopt another country, Harsh but true.

And it can be changed right back.

Mountainhare, I am a Australian like you and I have a question...Who were the first peoples to arrive in Australia? Were they white?

Sorry to any native peoples who read this thread!! Even educated people are not very intelligent sometimes.

Racism is the lowest form of intelligence!! The white Australia policy ended in the sixties, come out of your time warp mountainha it is the year 2007!!!

Being "racist" is part of a well rounded education. White people who aren't racist are just idiots that have been brainwashed into meekly accepting their own displacement.

Being "racist" is part of a well rounded education. White people who aren't racist are just idiots that have been brainwashed into meekly accepting their own displacement.

your an idiot.



peace.

your an idiot.

Huh? Don't you mean "You are an idiot."? In which case, it's "You're an idiot." See? The "you" and the "are" have been contracted into "you're". The use of "your" indicates possessive ...which I'm sure you didn't mean.

So now, .....who's the idiot? :D

Baron Max

Being "racist" is part of a well rounded education. White people who aren't racist are just idiots that have been brainwashed into meekly accepting their own displacement.

Hey, I like that!! It does rather explain a lot, don't it?

Can I copy it and use it?

Baron Max

Huh? Don't you mean "You are an idiot."? In which case, it's "You're an idiot." See? The "you" and the "are" have been contracted into "you're". The use of "your" indicates possessive ...which I'm sure you didn't mean.

So now, .....who's the idiot? :D

Baron Max

your also an idiot ad are only saying that to defend a fellow racist. i dont use appostraphes youre does not look right. and if i made an exception for that, then i would have to start typing everything correctly, and before you know it i would be using capital letters, correct sentance structure and all around good grammar. wich will take up alot of time.


peace.

Everyone is a little racist but its not one of our shining moments when we are.

Hey, I like that!! It does rather explain a lot, don't it?

Can I copy it and use it?

Baron Max

it would have been better and more acceptable if you constructed your sentance like this. Hey, I like that. It does rather explain a lot doesn't it.


also the first "it" was not needed. "can i copy and use it" would be ok.



peace.

Everyone is a little racist but its not one of our shining moments when we are.

Why not? Why's it not a "shining moment"? Or would you prefer that people lie about who they like and who they want to be friends with and who they want to associate with? Is that what you'd call a "shining moment" for us? To be liars?

Baron Max

Why not? Why's it not a "shining moment"? Or would you prefer that people lie about who they like and who they want to be friends with and who they want to associate with? Is that what you'd call a "shining moment" for us? To be liars?

Baron Max


now, this is a prime example of somebody who does not know when to include a full stop/period into his text. and a classic example of a run on sentance.



peace.

But why should you hate some1 because he/she looks diffrent?

But why should you hate some1 because he/she looks diffrent?

I agree, there are SO MANY BETTER reasons to hate people.

Or would you prefer that people lie about who they like and who they want to be friends with and who they want to associate with? Is that what you'd call a "shining moment" for us? To be liars?

Most people who aspire to move beyond their own racism, sexism, and other negative -isms do so because they do not consider the giving over to superstition among their brighter acts.

For instance, let's use me as an example: Were I to make the same leaps that Sciforums' racist contingent wants, the truth is that white people are the problem. Even if we put aside all of the abstractions about economy, education, dignity, and the socio-economic roots of crime and unrest, the truth is that the greatest and most abundant evils visited upon me have been at the hands and consciences of whites.

It was whites, not blacks or hispanics, that beat me for being Asian when I was a child. It was a white teacher--not a black, hispanic, asian, or otherwise--who held me in detention for the crime of being assaulted. It was a white school principal who used a 6-10 white professional basketball player with an accent as a role model to explain why I shouldn't let racial violence bother me. It was a white guy who abused his daughter, who happened to be a good friend of mine. It was a white guy who raped at least one good friend of mine. It was a white preacher who lied about the dead and left us all wondering what the hell just happened when I was fifteen and saying farewell to a schoolmate. It was a white guy who stole my car when I was in college. (It was also a white guy who tried to bill me for the costs of storing my car while it was missing.) It was a couple white punks who broke into my car and stole a few tapes and my radar detector. It was a couple of white punks who broke into my brother's car and stole his CDs and my daughter's DVDs. It was a white cop who wrote the bogus incident report when I was arrested. It was a white man who explained to me, in the 1990s, that exploited children working dangerous jobs under poor safety conditions ought to be thankful to even have a job.

In all my life, I can only recall being wronged in any relevant sense by a nonwhite twice. Once, at a track meet, a black kid called me "honky", which got a hearty laugh out of my teammates. (The irony of someone who gets shit for having Asian blood being called a honky ... hell, my teammates were white teenagers, and even they could understand; that should count for something, shouldn't it?) And then it was most likely a nonwhite who stole my car last year, but we shouldn't be so rash as to draw that conclusion merely from the facts of a badly-constructed blunt and the radio being set to KUBE 93.3 FM.

Even if I could construct a thesis that whites are the real problem, though, there are myriad factors contributing to that suggestion. In the end, I can no more pretend the white disposition toward sleaziness and hatred is genetic than our racist contingent could prove the genetic inferiority of nonwhites. In truth, we are all human, and before we can blame genetics, we must consider the influences over how genes are expressed in society. As such, to rest comfortably on racism is to submit to superstition, and history shows that resting on superstition accomplishes less good than the pursuit of truth.

Certainly, we have worse moments than the act of giving over to superstition, but the terrible moments in our lives are definitively connected to our surrender to one or another superstition, myth, or other surrogate in lieu of truth. That we are not perfect is a challenge, not an excuse.

I mean i'm white and I have black, mexican and a philpino friend, I have my racist moments just the same as any1 but every1 is human just like I am we are all brothers and sisters in a sence, but people look for something diffrent about a persons looks and judge them by that.

I am we are all brothers and sisters in a sence, but people look for something diffrent about a persons looks and judge them by that.

True 'nuff. I tend to judge people more by their haircuts or fashion choices than skin color, but it's still an appearance-based superstition.

your an idiot.



peace.

It is "you're" not "your"...idjit.

Hey, I like that!! It does rather explain a lot, don't it?

Can I copy it and use it?

Baron Max

Sure you can use it. I probably stole it from somewhere. The term "racist" is a Marxist invention used to silence white people into accepting their own displacement.

edit: I highly recommend reading "Their Only Weapon"

http://westernsurvival.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

Their Only Weapon

A correspondent on Lawrence Auster's site, commenting on republican Arkansas Governor Huckabee's feeling that racism is fueling the anti-immigration sentiment, wrote:

"All he has to do is stand up there, give one inane comment after another and use the word that puts trembling in the hearts of the American people and shut them down. Racist."

A cartoon I saw recently showed a Mexican-flag-waving illegal snarling at a white man, saying something like "Let me into your prosperous country, you damned racist xenophobe." It captured perfectly the dynamic involved in the immigration debate: people who have no leverage other than guilt are using it to control us.

What are they going to do the day that white people stop running from that word, "racist"?

I have begun, among my white friends, to acknowledge that I am a racist. I say, "If by racist, you mean that I think there are actual differences, genetic differences, between racial groups that have real consequences, then yes I am a racist. If you mean that I feel more of an affinity for people of my ethnic group, that I feel more comfortable and at home with them, then yes I am a racist. If you mean I put the interests of my people, my ethnic group, ahead of the interests of others just as I put my family's interests over others, then yes I am a racist. But if by "racist" you mean someone who believes in genocide or slavery or hatred or oppression of other ethnic groups, then no, I am not a racist."

I sense that many white people have had enough of being bullied with the "racist" label. But there are two ways of handling that accusation. One is to claim that you're not actually a racist. This is the approach most whites take right now, but it hands all of the power over to the non-white person, who can then act as judge and jury on the evidence to decide whether the white person is a racist or not. The other approach is to say, "yeah, I'm a racist; so what?" There is no answer to that. If you prefer your own people and put their interests ahead of others' without engaging in hatred or violence, what's it to them?

Perhaps the non-whites and liberals are flinging the "racist" accusation with such vehemence because they sense that the white majority is losing patience. Their one tool, their one way of controlling white people, is losing its efficacy, so they ramp up the volume and the bitterness to try to keep the upper hand. Their worst nightmare is that white people stop flinching at the word because that will be the day that anti-whites (both non-whites and whites who scorn whiteness) lose their only weapon.

But while we need to assert that we, like every other healthy people on earth, are indeed "racists", what we want to avoid this time is letting the pendulum swing back the other way into hatred. We don't want another Hitler. We don't want burning crosses. We don't want oppression and injustice. We just want to assert our right to survive as a distinct people and to separate ourselves physically and politically from those who threaten our safety, prosperity, and unique identity.

mountainhare:

I grew up in the country, which was a fairly homogenous society. Most of my countrymen were Anglo-Saxon. Some were mainland Europeaners (Slavs, French, Spanish) etc., but you usually couldn't tell due to the process of assimilation over many generations.

What makes you think that in another couple of generations, the current Asian immigrants, for example, won't find themselves in exactly the same position as your Slavs, French and Spanish people, with regard to your cultural acceptance?

I think you just prefer familiarity - you'd like the whole of Australia to be jsut like your home town, just on a bigger scale. You're afraid of difference. You're afraid to face an unfamiliar world. Probably, you like being a big fish in a small pond.

Hence it was a shock for me to visit one of our cities, where multiculturism thrives. In my particular university campus, there are more foreign students than native students, and most of these foreigners are Chinese or Malay/Indonesian Muslims (usually from Malaysia and Indonesia).

I don't think your perception is accurate. The majority of places in your university are Commonwealth supported places for Australian citizens. Your university does, however, provide many services to you using money it obtains from full-fee paying foreign students, who in effect subsidise your education.

Often they form their own exclusive groups, and speak in their own lingo.

So do you.

The effect of this is simple: I feel like an alien, a stranger, in my own country.

You're just worried you're not given the preferential treatment you think you deserve for some reason.

Our society is fragmented, there is a lack of unity and patriotism amongst Australians in my area.

Look where patriotism is leading America. I'm not convinced it's such a great thing.

Quite simply, Count Suduko is right. First world countries are being invaded by foreigners who refuse to assimilate, and who tend to produce more children than their white counterparts.

Australia is not be "invaded" by foreigners. It's like you get your information from One Nation, or something. Australian immigration policies are among the most restrictive in the world. We let in who we choose to let in.

Also, do you know what the number 1 country of origin is for Australian immigrants? England. I don't see you complaining about all the English immigrants. You're only worried about the ones who have different coloured skin to yours. It's just xenophobic racism.

With Sudoku, you're in good company. Effectively, you make yourself a laughing stock among decent people.

We are being invaded, much as the old colonialists invaded the natives. Hell, violence wasn't even necessary. They just established their own businesses, their own villages, extracted natural resources, outcompeted the natives, and hey presto, whitey wins. Now the shoe is on the other foot. There is no need for guns, when you can use stealth.

It's such a shame that the current strong Australian economy is being buoyed up by all those nasty successful businesses run by nasty immigrants, isn't it?

Why are whites so docile regarding this invasion?

There's no invasion. Immigrants are invited to apply for Australian citizenship and residency.

Want to change things? Don't run to Sudoku - he and his KKK buddies are just impotent noise-makers. Instead, petition your government, or run for office yourself, making your policies public. Who knows? You might be the next Pauline Hanson.

Why do they allow their jobs, and the university places for their children, to be snapped up by foreigners?

Are you afraid an immigrant might take the job you feel you're entitled to? You do realise that many people can't afford a university education like yours, don't you? You're immensely privileged, and yet you pick on groups who are often struggling to make their way in the world, while you get opportunity served up on a platter to seize or squander as you see fit.

Or perhaps I should move to China with my buddies, and set up 'Aussietown'. It will be populated by whites who eat Aussie cuisine, speak English in public, and show a total disdain for the Chinese peoples and their culture.

Go to it. It would be good for you to get out and see the world, and hopefully broaden your limited horizons. Have you ever been outside Australia? Ever been outside Victoria?


Ganymede:

Is it true that Australians are bared from serving on Jurys involving a Aborigine defendant? Due to the countrys problem with extrem racisim?

No. That's not true.

Everyone is a little racist but its not one of our shining moments when we are.

You should read post #97. Being racist could mean as little as preferring the company of other white people instead of blacks. I assume you prefer and care more about your own family than other families. Just because you do doesn't mean you hate everyone else's family.

But why should you hate some1 because he/she looks diffrent?

First, it is not necessarily hate, and second it usually has nothing to do with "how people look". The idea that we are all the same except for different paint jobs is a lie which the government, media and education system promotes.

As for James R. latest post, he is right that we aren't being "invaded" in the military sense, but we are being invaded nonetheless. And yes I agree that the way to get results is to vote and petition the government and all that crap. Of course informing people of what is going on will motivate more of them to do these things.

I have begun, among my white friends, to acknowledge that I am a racist. I say, "If by racist, you mean that I think there are actual differences, genetic differences, between racial groups that have real consequences, then yes I am a racist. If you mean that I feel more of an affinity for people of my ethnic group, that I feel more comfortable and at home with them, then yes I am a racist. If you mean I put the interests of my people, my ethnic group, ahead of the interests of others just as I put my family's interests over others, then yes I am a racist. But if by "racist" you mean someone who believes in genocide or slavery or hatred or oppression of other ethnic groups, then no, I am not a racist."

I sense that many white people have had enough of being bullied with the "racist" label. But there are two ways of handling that accusation. One is to claim that you're not actually a racist. This is the approach most whites take right now, but it hands all of the power over to the non-white person, who can then act as judge and jury on the evidence to decide whether the white person is a racist or not. The other approach is to say, "yeah, I'm a racist; so what?" There is no answer to that. If you prefer your own people and put their interests ahead of others' without engaging in hatred or violence, what's it to them?

Just don't be surprised if other people still don't want you around their children. The span 'twixt acknowledging that people are genetically diverse and advocating genocide is a large one, and there are many stops along the way from one to the other. That you base decisions or make moral assertions based primarily on race or ethnicity is all people need to know.

Trying to whitewash your stance by pretending it's something it isn't doesn't help your credibility much, either. I have yet to encounter a single experience in life when race or ethnicity was the sole, or even primary, factor influencing my decisions pertaining to another person.

Of course, I live in the United States, where Omni Syndrome is a huge factor compelling middle-class white youth to want to act like they're poor blacks. Consider the "wigger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigger)" phenomenon. (Click Here for image (http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/wigger-15513.jpg))

Of course, this is probably because the white kids are under the nefarious spell of the evil blacks, right? Falling victim to the negro ESP gene? Oh, wait. Maybe it's African witchcraft.

Wanting to be around your own kind is natural except there are people who feel different from everybody and they have a whole different set of challenges. Even within your own community, there are those who will sell you out and as long as there are people like that, multiculturalism is the way to go. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

I think our allergy to differences is there for a greater threat and that's probably out there in space possibly another species. The whole "alien" concept is, I think, the natural reaction to this in our genes and those reactions are misplaced or at crosspurposes but there in case of real threat.

Just don't be surprised if other people still don't want you around their children. The span 'twixt acknowledging that people are genetically diverse and advocating genocide is a large one, and there are many stops along the way from one to the other. That you base decisions or make moral assertions based primarily on race or ethnicity is all people need to know.

Gee, if white people were as racist as non-whites, we'd close our borders just like they do. How terrible.

Trying to whitewash your stance by pretending it's something it isn't doesn't help your credibility much, either.

Just what is my stance?

I have yet to encounter a single experience in life when race or ethnicity was the sole, or even primary, factor influencing my decisions pertaining to another person.

I'm pretty sure I can say the same myself.

Of course, I live in the United States, where Omni Syndrome is a huge factor compelling middle-class white youth to want to act like they're poor blacks. Consider the "wigger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigger)" phenomenon. (Click Here for image (http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/wigger-15513.jpg))

Of course, this is probably because the white kids are under the nefarious spell of the evil blacks, right? Falling victim to the negro ESP gene? Oh, wait. Maybe it's African witchcraft.

Maybe it has to do with the crap coming from TV?

It's a complete waste of time of trying to debate anything with Sudoku. He's and admitted racist and white supremicist. There's no reasoning with a person like that. On the ignore button you go. So fire away, just glad I don't have to see you ilk any longer.

Gee, if white people were as racist as non-whites, we'd close our borders just like they do. How terrible.

Right. (chortle!) Alright, you're it. Go secure the border between Rwanda and Uganda. You're on.

Just what is my stance?

Um ... the one you posted? Do you really need me to quote it again?

I'm pretty sure I can say the same myself.

Well, if you work to keep yourself isolated among "your own kind", that's a decision you've made that has to do with race. In fact, the decision to acknowledge (among your white friends) that you are, indeed, a racist is a decision you've made that has something to do with race, and, by your own admission, has much to do with their skin color.

Maybe it has to do with the crap coming from TV?

Why blame TV? Is the viewer completely blameless? Or only if s/he's white?

It's a complete waste of time of trying to debate anything with Sudoku. He's and admitted racist and white supremicist. There's no reasoning with a person like that ....

True, but you might as well play to the future hatemongers of the world; they need to know that petty bullsh@t and half-assed evasions don't work. Since one of the attractions of racism is that it doesn't require much thought, maybe some will think twice when they realize they'll have to put an effort into legitimizing themselves. And perhaps some of them will be smart enough to realize the impossibility of legitimacy, and decide to seek real answers to their questions instead of the ones that merely look comfortable.

Right. (chortle!) Alright, you're it. Go secure the border between Rwanda and Uganda. You're on.



Um ... the one you posted? Do you really need me to quote it again?



Well, if you work to keep yourself isolated among "your own kind", that's a decision you've made that has to do with race. In fact, the decision to acknowledge (among your white friends) that you are, indeed, a racist is a decision you've made that has something to do with race, and, by your own admission, has much to do with their skin color.



Why blame TV? Is the viewer completely blameless? Or only if s/he's white?

Not skin color, race is what he means.

Not skin color, race is what he means.

Alright ... someone's going to have to give me a copy of the New Racists' Handbook, since I'm obviously not hip to the latest terminology. Or is this one of those distinctions designed to make sure the Jews don't slip too far from our consideration?

Alright ... someone's going to have to give me a copy of the New Racists' Handbook, since I'm obviously not hip to the latest terminology. Or is this one of those distinctions designed to make sure the Jews don't slip too far from our consideration?

He means it' not about skin color but just about being with his own race because of the common genetic and cultural similarities.

Sudoku:

The term "racist" is a Marxist invention used to silence white people into accepting their own displacement.

No. It's merely a descriptive term for people who wish to oppress others based on the colour of their skin. There are black racists and white racists and yellow racists.

I have begun, among my white friends, to acknowledge that I am a racist. I say, "If by racist, you mean that I think there are actual differences, genetic differences, between racial groups that have real consequences, then yes I am a racist. ...

The problem is that the only "real consequence" that racists care about is that they may not be treated as special and more important, and privileged above people of different coloured skin. It's bigotry, pure and simple, based on the false assumption that the world owes you a living just for being you.

...If you mean that I feel more of an affinity for people of my ethnic group, that I feel more comfortable and at home with them, then yes I am a racist.

How a person feels is largely irrelevant to the "debate" about race. What is deeply offensive about racism is not that some people feel more comfortable with other people who are just like them, because they are the centre of their own private universes. It is that they seek to subordinate all people of a different skin colour to the colour they happen to be, which is completely arbitrary and self-serving.

If you mean I put the interests of my people, my ethnic group, ahead of the interests of others just as I put my family's interests over others, then yes I am a racist.

The difference is again glossed over. While there are good reasons for a person to preference their family over others in some situations, it is not clear (and no argument is given) as to why one race ought to be preferenced over all others.

But if by "racist" you mean someone who believes in genocide or slavery or hatred or oppression of other ethnic groups, then no, I am not a racist."

And yet, the most militant racists form societies and commit violent acts with the explicit aim of genocide, slavery, hatred and oppression. So, once again, this is a deliberate gloss which hides a really nasty agenda.

I sense that many white people have had enough of being bullied with the "racist" label.

Are you really surprised people don't want to be challenged about their bigotry?

...The other approach is to say, "yeah, I'm a racist; so what?" There is no answer to that. If you prefer your own people and put their interests ahead of others' without engaging in hatred or violence, what's it to them?

It becomes important to them when you try to oppress them or negatively discriminate against them, in defiance of accepted equalities of basic human rights. But you knew that, didn't you? Your entire post is an attempt to spin a shiny gloss over a fundamentally hateful agenda.

But while we need to assert that we, like every other healthy people on earth, are indeed "racists", what we want to avoid this time is letting the pendulum swing back the other way into hatred. We don't want another Hitler. We don't want burning crosses.

I don't believe you. Given half the chance and an ounce of courage, you'd be out there lighting crosses and churches, I'm sure.

We don't want oppression and injustice. We just want to assert our right to survive as a distinct people and to separate ourselves physically and politically from those who threaten our safety, prosperity, and unique identity.

Clearly, the majority of your society is more enlightened than you are, since they disagree with you.

First, it is not necessarily hate, and second it usually has nothing to do with "how people look".

Sure it does. What else is race apart from "how people look"?

The idea that we are all the same except for different paint jobs is a lie which the government, media and education system promotes.

What important differences do you imagine exist?

As for James R. latest post, he is right that we aren't being "invaded" in the military sense, but we are being invaded nonetheless.

An invasion by invitation. Interesting concept.

And yes I agree that the way to get results is to vote and petition the government and all that crap. Of course informing people of what is going on will motivate more of them to do these things.

Most racists also hate governments - particular when they stand for equality under the law, fair treatment for all and other wishy-washy "liberal" crap. They'd prefer a Saddam-like dictatorship, where they were in control and free to oppress anybody and everybody they don't like.

Thankfully, many western democracies have laws which seek to avoid a decent into racist barbarism of that kind.

How a person feels is largely irrelevant to the "debate" about race. What is deeply offensive about racism is not that some people feel more comfortable with other people who are just like them, because they are the centre of their own private universes. It is that they seek to subordinate all people of a different skin colour to the colour they happen to be, which is completely arbitrary and self-serving.

So wise as usual. Your whole post was but this especially nailed the problem pretty much except I wouldn't say color but race as most racists will not consider color revelant as they cite dark and light within thier race.

Right. (chortle!) Alright, you're it. Go secure the border between Rwanda and Uganda. You're on.

Just because they can't doesn't mean they wouldn't if they could. Do you think Saudi Arabia would allow 5 million white people to move in?

Um ... the one you posted? Do you really need me to quote it again?

I don't need anything from you. I was just interested in hearing what you think my stance is.

Well, if you work to keep yourself isolated among "your own kind", that's a decision you've made that has to do with race.

Well that would include a ton of white people who moved out of their neighborhoods when black people moved in or black kids were bussed to their schools.

In fact, the decision to acknowledge (among your white friends) that you are, indeed, a racist is a decision you've made that has something to do with race, and, by your own admission, has much to do with their skin color.

It has nothing to do with skin color. It does have everything to do with behavior.

Why blame TV?

Well gee, where do people get most of their "culture" from? The library?

Is the viewer completely blameless? Nope.

Or only if s/he's white?

Most people are sheep no matter what race they are. They'll do or believe whatever someone "in authority" tells them to. Explains why so many white people who have no real contact with blacks think they are just white people with a different skin color.

True, but you might as well play to the future hatemongers of the world; they need to know that petty bullsh@t and half-assed evasions don't work.

Who is evading whom?

Since one of the attractions of racism is that it doesn't require much thought, maybe some will think twice when they realize they'll have to put an effort into legitimizing themselves.

Lol. Goes double for you.

And perhaps some of them will be smart enough to realize the impossibility of legitimacy, and decide to seek real answers to their questions instead of the ones that merely look comfortable.

I wouldn't bet on it. In fact I wouldn't be surprised in 60 years if liberal whites aren't as despised and ridiculed as racists are today.

It has nothing to do with skin color. It does have everything to do with behavior.

Then why only your white friends?

Explains why so many white people who have no real contact with blacks think they are just white people with a different skin color.

What a stunning display of ignorance intended to attack ignorance. Seriously: "White people with a different skin color?" Wow. Haven't actually heard that one before, but it does make some sense. And it points out a vital problem: People are "humans", regardless of their skin color.

White people with a different skin color ... that's awesome. Really, man, a golf-clap for you on that one.

Then why only your white friends?



What a stunning display of ignorance intended to attack ignorance. Seriously: "White people with a different skin color?" Wow. Haven't actually heard that one before, but it does make some sense. And it points out a vital problem: People are "humans", regardless of their skin color.

White people with a different skin color ... that's awesome. Really, man, a golf-clap for you on that one.

I have no problem with people who are different or practice a different culture etc or lifestyle. It only bothers me when they are bigots to me, discriminate against me or mistreat me. Unfortunately, a lot of people do this anyways which makes race and culture relations strained for a lot of people but this blame also goes to white people as much as to any other race. He is taking the stance it's mostly others behavior and that's not true.

I'm a good example because i would be considered a law-abiding citizen who pretty much stayed to myself yet I found that the racism and discrimination had nothing to do with my behavior but just my race and hatred of that based on the 'superiority/inferiority' dynamic.

So though he wants to cite others bad behavior, I for one was longsuffering for way too long and only lately do I act as nasty as they did to me.

It is not just one way. But I will admit also that blacks, hispanics as well as whites have discriminated against me and treated me badly from growing up and into adulthood because most people are racist or prejudiced even with laws, it just prevents them from taking it to the point of outright anarchy.

The racism of one breeds racism of another as you are offended. If something is to your dislike and they disrespect you, then you feel they are not allowing your own space BUT they can also equally have value systems that inherently undermine or would encourage injustice toward you or others so on another level, you can't tolerate that as well. When it comes to supremacists, they expect to not be questioned but you to adjust to them and the problem is often they will not stop until you get pretty nasty to them because they want you to be meek and take it. In essence, they set up an all or nothing situation where it's either you or them as they don't really want to coexist but do live the way they want without any consideration for you too. The problem is too many people think like this anyways.

Sudoku:

No. It's merely a descriptive term for people who wish to oppress others based on the colour of their skin. There are black racists and white racists and yellow racists.

And yet the only ones villified and punished are white while race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are heroes.

The problem is that the only "real consequence" that racists care about is that they may not be treated as special and more important, and privileged above people of different coloured skin. It's bigotry, pure and simple, based on the false assumption that the world owes you a living just for being you.

I am a white separatist. I don't want blacks in my house cleaning my bathroom, on my yard mowing my grass, in my neighborhood, in my city, in my state or in my country. Now how the fuck would I be treated "specially" in such a situation?

How a person feels is largely irrelevant to the "debate" about race. What is deeply offensive about racism is not that some people feel more comfortable with other people who are just like them, because they are the centre of their own private universes. It is that they seek to subordinate all people of a different skin colour to the colour they happen to be, which is completely arbitrary and self-serving.

See above. I have no desire to enslave, harm or commit genocide. I just want what every other race has which is their own homelands.

The difference is again glossed over. While there are good reasons for a person to preference their family over others in some situations, it is not clear (and no argument is given) as to why one race ought to be preferenced over all others.

There is a good reason. People are more likely to help those who resemble themselves. Therefore, protecting people like yourself equals protecting yourself. This is why blacks insist that OJ is innocent and would let him walk no matter how much evidence there is against him.

And yet, the most militant racists form societies and commit violent acts with the explicit aim of genocide, slavery, hatred and oppression. So, once again, this is a deliberate gloss which hides a really nasty agenda.

And yet I'm not a "militant racist" so WTF is your point? The only genocide going on here is against the white race which is a consequence of flooding their countries and only their countries with non-whites. What would you think if all black countries and only black countries were flooded with non-blacks and blacks were bred out?

Are you really surprised people don't want to be challenged about their bigotry?

You miss the point (again). White people are tired of hearing the "racist" term everytime some whiny minority disagrees with them. But keep yelling "racist" and "nazi" louder and more frequently. It loses it's meaning a little more every time you do.

It becomes important to them when you try to oppress them or negatively discriminate against them, in defiance of accepted equalities of basic human rights. But you knew that, didn't you? Your entire post is an attempt to spin a shiny gloss over a fundamentally hateful agenda.

So only non-whites are free to oppress with AA, one way hate laws, set asides etc etc. I'm not interested in living with non-whites so how would I "oppress" them if they weren't even in the same country?

I don't believe you. Given half the chance and an ounce of courage, you'd be out there lighting crosses and churches, I'm sure.

See above.

Clearly, the majority of your society is more enlightened than you are, since they disagree with you.

Do they? What happens when huge numbers of blacks move into a white neighborhood? If the country were split in half, and in one half only white people could live and in the other anyone could live, I bet in 10 years at least 90% of white people would be living in the "white only" half.

Sure it does. What else is race apart from "how people look"?

Holy fuck you are ignorant.

What important differences do you imagine exist?

Oh gee, nothing important, huge IQ differences, aggression level differences, ability to delay gratification, personality differences.

An invasion by invitation. Interesting concept.

Who invited them? I don't recall any white country having a referendum on allowing huge numbers of racial aliens settle into their country. I do recall a bunch of governments just doing it (with Ted Kennedy) assuring that it would never, never affect the demographic balance of the country and then making it a hate crime to complain about it.

Most racists also hate governments - particular when they stand for equality under the law, fair treatment for all and other wishy-washy "liberal" crap.

They hate governments that flood their country with racial aliens without consent, make it a crime to complain about it and then treat the native white population as 2nd class citizens.

They'd prefer a Saddam-like dictatorship, where they were in control and free to oppress anybody and everybody they don't like.

If I lived in a country of like minded people why would there be a need for dictatorship? If you liberals want to live in a "multicultural paradise" go move to South Africa. We won't stop you.

Thankfully, many western democracies have laws which seek to avoid a decent into racist barbarism of that kind.

They have laws designed to thwart the true desires of the population. So much for democracy eh Stalin?

Then why only your white friends?

WTF? Try rephrasing that.

What a stunning display of ignorance intended to attack ignorance. Seriously: "White people with a different skin color?" Wow. Haven't actually heard that one before, but it does make some sense.

I'm not sure if you can't read or your last response is just stupid.

And it points out a vital problem: People are "humans", regardless of their skin color.

And dogs are dogs no matter what breed they are. So lets have an experiment. You try pissing off a pitbull and I'll try pissing off a poodle and we'll compare notes afterwards.

White people with a different skin color ... that's awesome. Really, man, a golf-clap for you on that one.

Well that answers my first question, you can't read. To spell it out for you dumbass, liberals think black people are exactly the same as white people but with a different skin color. Therefore, blacks are just white people with a different skin color. Got it? Now go back to high school for remedial English.

And yet the only ones villified and punished are white while race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are heroes.



I am a white separatist. I don't want blacks in my house cleaning my bathroom, on my yard mowing my grass, in my neighborhood, in my city, in my state or in my country. Now how the fuck would I be treated "specially" in such a situation?



See above. I have no desire to enslave, harm or commit genocide. I just want what every other race has which is their own homelands.



There is a good reason. People are more likely to help those who resemble themselves. Therefore, protecting people like yourself equals protecting yourself. This is why blacks insist that OJ is innocent and would let him walk no matter how much evidence there is against him.



And yet I'm not a "militant racist" so WTF is your point? The only genocide going on here is against the white race which is a consequence of flooding their countries and only their countries with non-whites. What would you think if all black countries and only black countries were flooded with non-blacks and blacks were bred out?



You miss the point (again). White people are tired of hearing the "racist" term everytime some whiny minority disagrees with them. But keep yelling "racist" and "nazi" louder and more frequently. It loses it's meaning a little more every time you do.



So only non-whites are free to oppress with AA, one way hate laws, set asides etc etc. I'm not interested in living with non-whites so how would I "oppress" them if they weren't even in the same country?



See above.



Do they? What happens when huge numbers of blacks move into a white neighborhood? If the country were split in half, and in one half only white people could live and in the other anyone could live, I bet in 10 years at least 90% of white people would be living in the "white only" half.



Holy fuck you are ignorant.



Oh gee, nothing important, huge IQ differences, aggression level differences, ability to delay gratification, personality differences.



Who invited them? I don't recall any white country having a referendum on allowing huge numbers of racial aliens settle into their country. I do recall a bunch of governments just doing it (with Ted Kennedy) assuring that it would never, never affect the demographic balance of the country and then making it a hate crime to complain about it.



They hate governments that flood their country with racial aliens without consent, make it a crime to complain about it and then treat the native white population as 2nd class citizens.



If I lived in a country of like minded people why would there be a need for dictatorship? If you liberals want to live in a "multicultural paradise" go move to South Africa. We won't stop you.



They have laws designed to thwart the true desires of the population. So much for democracy eh Stalin?

He means it usually doesn't stay that way as most will want to screw over somebody by conquering and invading other countries and start all over again.

You say you want to live with like-minded people without realizing many of your own race that think like you are actually supremacists not just separatists. Either way, back to square one. The same people who think invading iraq is right, god is thier right hand man and tells them what to do and all others are 'subhuman' and would join you.

WTF? Try rephrasing that.

No need. I already have my answer, thanks to your most recent posts.

I hate evil people more than race of any kind. I hate evil people within my own race and others. Interestingly they are very similar in the way they think. They condone evil, make excuses for not only the evil acts committed by them but all others.

These are what supremacists are and they are not separated by race (though some may they think they are). They are the same. They support eachothers supremacy by condoning the darkness and ego that is behind it. It's not a separate supremacist agenda or organization, it's exactly the same one because they are a certain breed of dark-hearted people and they all want to get rid of those that are different and it's not about race either. The same people that support hitler-type thinking, other dictator like tactics, torture of any kind or anything stepping on others, they are exactly the same. That's how much evil is real.

You say you want to live with like-minded people without realizing many of your own race that think like you are actually supremacists not just separatists. Either way, back to square one. The same people who think invading iraq is right, god is thier right hand man and tells them what to do and all others are 'subhuman' and would join you.

If "supremacists" separate themselves from non-whites, who cares what they think?

If "supremacists" separate themselves from non-whites, who cares what they think?


Well, that would be good.

I hate evil people more than race of any kind. I hate evil people within my own race and others. Interestingly they are very similar in the way they think. They condone evil, make excuses for not only the evil acts committed by them but all others.

These are what supremacists are and they are not separated by race (though some may they think they are). They are the same. They support eachothers supremacy by condoning the darkness and ego that is behind it. It's not a separate supremacist agenda or organization, it's exactly the same one because they are a certain breed of dark-hearted people and they all want to get rid of those that are different and it's not about race either. The same people that support hitler-type thinking, other dictator like tactics, torture of any kind or anything stepping on others, they are exactly the same. That's how much evil is real.

Explain to me how separating one's self is evil? The only evil I see are the likes of lying Ted Kennedy ("the 1965 immigration act won't change America from being 90% white" and the 1986 Amnesty ("this will be the first and last amnesty") forcing tens of millions of non-whites upon white Americans who don't want them.

Peta, if you want to see what a supremacist looks like just look in the mirror.

Explain to me how separating one's self is evil? The only evil I see are the likes of lying Ted Kennedy ("the 1965 immigration act won't change America from being 90% white" and the 1986 Amnesty ("this will be the first and last amnesty") forcing tens of millions of non-whites upon white Americans who don't want them.

I'm talking about supremacists who step on others and condone torture and exploitation.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Peta, if you want to see what a supremacist looks like just look in the mirror.

ha! I'm not a supremacist. I don't agree with sweat shops or exploiting other countries resources or oppressing groups of people even when my own race does it.

Sudoku:

And yet the only ones villified and punished are white while race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are heroes.

The difference is that they were fighting against inequality, while you are fighting for it. See the difference?

I am a white separatist. I don't want blacks in my house cleaning my bathroom, on my yard mowing my grass, in my neighborhood, in my city, in my state or in my country. Now how the fuck would I be treated "specially" in such a situation?

Ok. How does this sound: we'll gather a group of black people together, and you