If you haven't watched it, watch this video
http://www.archive.org/details/20041102-Last-Chance-911-Timeline.

In the left navigation under view movie you can either stream it or download it. It's 44 minutes. This, to me, is the definitive online 9/11 video. I felt like I was back on the day of 9/11 again. I cried. I asked why.

Did you know that 16/20 of the terroist were college students or had recently graduated? These men were not monsters. These men were not blood thirsty terroists. They were young men like me with familys and friends. Why did they do it?

Very simple once you understand the nature of American economic criminality in the mideast and I will explain it for you .
1) The 1st and 2nd planes targeted the World Trade Centre was because it represented to those hijackers the financial colonization of the mideast by America as each year $1 trillion is injected into the American economy from control of the mideast oilfields . This is at the expence of the Arabs who mostly live in 3rd world squalor whilst those trillions of dollars goes to benefit that nation of overfed fat bastards .
2 ) The 3rd plane targeted the Pentagon because this represents to those mideast nations the military instrument of terror that America weilds enthusiastically over that region . Those cowardly bastards in the American military employ without hesitation highly advanced and lethal military technology and applications on literally defenceless mideast nations or nations that don-t have adequate means of fighting back .
3 ) Now this 4th plane was shotdown as their is enough evidence to suggest now . The official story was that it was heading to Camp David , it wasnt it was heading for the CIA building , this follows a logical targeting sequence of American establishments of oppression in the mideast the CIA represents to those Hijackers the main American establishment that sets up corrupt regimes such as the Saudi royal family and Sadam Hussein to act as enforcers of market policy , suppressors of popular determination and protectors of economic policies on behalf of American business interests .

Camp David, an "American establishment of oppression"? That's a good one. :D

Camp David, an "American establishment of oppression"? That's a good one. :D
Read it again real slowly ......
The official story was that it was heading to Camp David , it wasnt it was heading for the CIA building , this follows a logical targeting sequence of American establishments of oppression in the mideast
Got it .

Did you know that 16/20 of the terroist were college students or had recently graduated? These men were not monsters. These men were not blood thirsty terroists. They were young men like me with familys and friends. Why did they do it?

First off colleges are loaded with jerk offs. Some of the smartest most innovative individuals never went to college at all.

Secondly given enough time and cultivation people can be made to believe anything :)

read up on cults and stuff like that.

If anyone here is following the Moussoui (sp) trial you would see that this is no intellectual dynamo, but he surely admitted to alot.

this thread is leftwing gatekeeping. is claiming that terrorists ALONE targeted goliath , the superpower, wit box-cutters?hah!. how fukin convenient. no, it is INSIDE JOB! this the leftgatekeepers will not accept....it is NOT just American imperilaism as scapegoat, but the invisibly gov. pulling the strings.
why are you all in denial?

why are you all in denial?

you mean the earth isnt round? do snails do pee pee?

you mean the earth isnt round? do snails do pee pee?
why have you reverted(?) into baby talk?
explain yourself man!

why have you reverted(?) into baby talk?
explain yourself man!

Not untill you answer my questions.

you mean the earth isnt round? do snails do pee pee?

this thread is leftwing gatekeeping. is claiming that terrorists ALONE targeted goliath , the superpower, wit box-cutters?hah!. how fukin convenient. no, it is INSIDE JOB! this the leftgatekeepers will not accept....it is NOT just American imperilaism as scapegoat, but the invisibly gov. pulling the strings.
why are you all in denial?

im glad this happened before i get banned:
i fully 100% agree with you, duendy.

yes deifinitely more shit went down then we know.

we have to remember that Bush is good for Bin laden and bin laden is good for bush

Not untill you answer my questions.
yes earth is round. not sure about snails. i am assuming they must excrete urine. they is always munchin for sure.

over to you

how come so many of those alleged "hijackers" are still alive?

one of the so called "19" - his mother saw him on television when the fbi released the "19 hijackers". She telephoned him and told him, and he was very pissed off.

Wow. Have any of you even bothered to watch the video that I posted?

First off colleges are loaded with jerk offs. Some of the smartest most innovative individuals never went to college at all.

Secondly given enough time and cultivation people can be made to believe anything :)

read up on cults and stuff like that.

If anyone here is following the Moussoui (sp) trial you would see that this is no intellectual dynamo, but he surely admitted to alot.

The point is that the world is fucked up. If you were a college age person in a middle eastern country, what would you be up to. Would you be studying computer science and physics or would you want to know why your home country is so poort and so fucked up? Yes, people can be made to believe anything but people don't hate just to hate. Who once said that every action has an equal and opposite reaction?

I agree, I think it reflects the amount of conditioning many people in the West have, when an American media station reports things as fact, most likely from government sources, and the public believes this without any inquiry. Then those proofs and arguments against the government's official story are called conspiracy stories.

People should not accept things as fact without questioning it. People in the Middle East have been lied to by their own governments, by their government-funded scholars, by the Western governments for years. Thus there is a general mistrust of any news and theories which are promoted as absolute truth. Middle Eastern people look more objectively than Westerners, this I have learned through experience.

I found it really strange when Bush said the terrorists who attacked on 9/11 were motivated by 'hatred for freedom, hatred for western values, and religious fanaticism.'

I personally believe it must have been a CIA job due to the relaxed security, the perfectness of the sequence of events, the coverup and secrecy of the attacks, as well as the US governments actions directly afterwards in which they used this war to invade Afghanistan and Iraq on lies.

The results of the attacks are: US control in Afghanistan, US bases in all the Ex-Soviet Republics of Central Asia, vast military presence and influence in Pakistan, presence on the borders of Russia, China, and Iran, US control of Iraq, elimination of Iraq (a opponent to US and Israel policies), pressure on Syria and Lebanon (both sworn enemies of Israel), control of Iraq's vast oil reserves, cultural clash between Muslims and Westerners, elimination of public dissent, and increased funding for military.

Looking at these points any way will lead you to one conclusion, America benefitted greatly form the 9/11 attacks.

Peace.

GREAT insights Diamond Hearts, and eloquently put.

but people don't hate just to hate. Who once said that every action has an equal and opposite reaction?

DOES EVERY action really have an equal and opposite reaction?

people dont hate just to hate? yes actually some do.

The results of the attacks are: US control in Afghanistan, US bases in all the Ex-Soviet Republics of Central Asia, vast military presence and influence in Pakistan, presence on the borders of Russia, China, and Iran, US control of Iraq, elimination of Iraq (a opponent to US and Israel policies), pressure on Syria and Lebanon (both sworn enemies of Israel), control of Iraq's vast oil reserves, cultural clash between Muslims and Westerners, elimination of public dissent, and increased funding for military.



In other words "The Middle East has begun to see a change for the better, Freedom from oppressive dictatorship... maybe the people of Iraq can share in the profits of oil, instead having their brutal leader living in golden palaces taking payoffs from the the likes of France and other countries. Maybe women will be treated as human beings and just maybe be allowed the same educations as man.

Wait a minute, that was just a dream. Islam wont allow any of that to happen.


Forget it, carry on with your conspircay theories.
My bad.

"Looking at these points any way will lead you to one conclusion, America benefitted greatly form the 9/11 attacks."

America has been thrown completely off-balance by 9-11. Our perceptions became clouded by fear, our Constitutional democracy was derailed, our foreign policy became extremely reckless, and we're still staggering today. Where's the benefit?

"Looking at these points any way will lead you to one conclusion, America benefitted greatly form the 9/11 attacks."

America has been thrown completely off-balance by 9-11. Our perceptions became clouded by fear, our Constitutional democracy was derailed, our foreign policy became extremely reckless, and we're still staggering today. Where's the benefit?
the POWER ELITE have benefited anot the people...! HOW can the people have benefitied...?? Ther/our freedoms have gone/are going because of 9-11!

keep up!

the POWER ELITE have benefited anot the people...! HOW can the people have benefitied...?? Ther/our freedoms have gone/are going because of 9-11!

keep up!

I agree, American people please have respect for your selves and the people of other nations and demand your government stop supporting this war on other countries and benefitting only the elite and hurting the common people.

If you do not care for people of the Middle East who are suffering, then please care for yourselves and do what is necessary to stop with this war for the benefit of your country.

Peace.

"the POWER ELITE have benefited anot the people...! "

I'm not sure what specific power elite you are alluding to, duendy. Republican leadership is increasingly scandalized, and losing ground.

Wait a minute, that was just a dream. Islam wont allow any of that to happen.


Forget it, carry on with your conspircay theories.
My bad.
No Oliver of course islam allows the equal rights etc.. of women for eduction and all. it is just the dumb fuckwits wbho run the countries who don't. Like in the US backed Saudi Arabia, pakistan, Eygpt.

unfortunetly most of the countries which have muslim majorities are run by the biggest buch or moranic dickheads this world has seen in the last 50 years or more, so what do we expect.

Oliver, i am getting sick to death with all this islamiphobia, which is backed up by the actions of a few fuckwits

No Oliver of course islam allows the equal rights etc.. of women for eduction and all. it is just the dumb fuckwits wbho run the countries who don't. Like in the US backed Saudi Arabia, pakistan, Eygpt.

unfortunetly most of the countries which have muslim majorities are run by the biggest buch or moranic dickheads this world has seen in the last 50 years or more, so what do we expect.

Oliver, i am getting sick to death with all this islamiphobia, which is backed up by the actions of a few fuckwits

I agree, without American and Western support Saudis or Musharraf or Mubarak would never stay in power. The people of these countries hate them and they are very unpopular, they are selling out national soveriengty to do America favors and get more money for themselves.

Peace.

"the POWER ELITE have benefited anot the people...! "

I'm not sure what specific power elite you are alluding to, duendy. Republican leadership is increasingly scandalized, and losing ground.
No, not the republicans, the democrats. they are shop front orgs belonging to SAME org.inc/the invisible government

The iLLUMINATi got all the Iraq Oil wells.
So where is the question of Iraqi people with regards to oil ?

I agree, without American and Western support Saudis or Musharraf or Mubarak would never stay in power.

Peace.

are you serious? exactly how is that so?

Have any of you great intellectuals even done the basic reasearch of reading the charter of aL Queda before unloading these great big piles of bull crap you call reasonable thought, I may not be the brightest bulb on this web, but I do know to try and do some reasearch before I expound!!!
Buffalo Roam

"are you serious? exactly how is that so?"

That's easy to answer very clearly. Come back in 5 years. The Saudis wa Busharraf wa Mabrook wullahi. Finished, all out of the politics thing, many fatally. Then you'll finally understand: Blood

For must we always and forever so circuitously talk and torment each other?

I think not. Well, I mean I think, not... Oh, I'm sure you all understand.

Haha you guys are getting spied on by Bush, and yet 3/4 of America still supports him.

Retarded. I'm glad I live in Canada, that is until America invades us for our freshwater supplies.

Haha you guys are getting spied on by Bush, and yet 3/4 of America still supports him.

Retarded. I'm glad I live in Canada, that is until America invades us for our freshwater supplies.

you know, i hate to say this but at first no one disliked Bush more than I. But lately I am beginning to understand him.

i cannot elaborate right now (too busy) but i will.

cheers.

I only come for beaver, eh?.

HA (HA)

"are you serious? exactly how is that so?"

That's easy to answer very clearly. Come back in 5 years. The Saudis wa Busharraf wa Mabrook wullahi. Finished, all out of the politics thing, many fatally. Then you'll finally understand: Blood

For must we always and forever so circuitously talk and torment each other?

I think not. Well, I mean I think, not... Oh, I'm sure you all understand.

Yes, you are completely right. In Pakistan already, there must have been already five to six close assassination attempts on Musharraf. I myself and Pakistani and I am extremely against the foreign policies of the President because he is giving up sovereignty voluntarily to American government everytime they ask. Also, the vast majority of Pakistanis are completely against Afghani, Waziri, and Balochi wars. These rulers of Muslim world suppress the vast majority of their people and even try to censor the history of our people because they fear Islamic revolution or even Islamic reform. They will not last very long, these dictators always have a very bloody and violent death, even looking at the history of only Pakistan, many of the past rulers were executed or assassinated. These rulers are supported and funded because they are for western interests and against people.

Hypewaters, by chance, are you Arab?

Peace.

If you haven't watched it, watch this video
http://www.archive.org/details/20041102-Last-Chance-911-Timeline.

Did you know that 16/20 of the terroist were college students or had recently graduated? These men were not monsters. These men were not blood thirsty terroists. They were young men like me with familys and friends. Why did they do it?
Men must be judged by their actions, not their demographics. They were clearly terrorist, blood thirsty, monsters. Their minds were perverted by a fascist varient of Islam that promised 72 eternal sex slaves to the man who dies during a jihad.

In Christianity we have the deathbed confession. A fine tradition started by Constantine. Do what you want, just be careful to die in bed with time for confession. In Islam you just need to take out a few infidels to guarantee your eternal reward.

Men must be judged by their actions, not their demographics. They were clearly terrorist, blood thirsty, monsters. Their minds were perverted by a fascist varient of Islam that promised 72 eternal sex slaves to the man who dies during a jihad.

Yet you don't know what is exactly Jihad. Jihad by definition is a fight for freedom, and 9/11 cannot be considered a Jihad it is a crime, so don't spread false information.


In Christianity we have the deathbed confession. A fine tradition started by Constantine. Do what you want, just be careful to die in bed with time for confession. In Islam you just need to take out a few infidels to guarantee your eternal reward.

In Islam, if you live your life well and have proper belief, you will be admitted to Heaven. This is up to Allah swt's will. In Islam, we don't need to make punlic our sins, we just have to feel bad for them and seek forgiveness for them. It's wrong that you say to kill any Non-Muslim you get into Paradise, I thought you were more intelligent than that. We believe that those of our martyrs who die defending freedom and alleviation of oppression will be given Paradise, but that is not the only way. Also what is wrong that Islam teaches men and women can have anything they want in Paradise. It is a righteous reward for men and women to have as many partners as they desire, and all drink and pleasure you will want. If you don't want to have partners, you dont need to have them, it is offered. Also its better than sitting on clouds and playing harps for eternity. :D

Peace.

Yet you don't know what is exactly Jihad. Jihad by definition is a fight for freedom, and 9/11 cannot be considered a Jihad it is a crime, so don't spread false information.

me)))your freedom aint freedom. it's a sham!

In Islam, if you live your life well and have proper belief, you will be admitted to Heaven. This is up to Allah swt's will. In Islam, we don't need to make punlic our sins, we just have to feel bad for them and seek forgiveness for them. It's wrong that you say to kill any Non-Muslim you get into Paradise, I thought you were more intelligent than that. We believe that those of our martyrs who die defending freedom and alleviation of oppression will be given Paradise, but that is not the only way. Also what is wrong that Islam teaches men and women can have anything they want in Paradise. It is a righteous reward for men and women to have as many partners as they desire, and all drink and pleasure you will want. If you don't want to have partners, you dont need to have them, it is offered. Also its better than sitting on clouds and playing harps for eternity. :D

Peace.
yeah. one silly patriarch slaggin another silly patrarch off---ie., a POT calling a KETTLE black.

Men must be judged by their actions, not their demographics. They were clearly terrorist, blood thirsty, monsters. Their minds were perverted by a fascist varient of Islam that promised 72 eternal sex slaves to the man who dies during a jihad.

In Christianity we have the deathbed confession. A fine tradition started by Constantine. Do what you want, just be careful to die in bed with time for confession. In Islam you just need to take out a few infidels to guarantee your eternal reward.

Dude, did you even bother to read about who the terroists were?

the POWER ELITE have benefited anot the people...! HOW can the people have benefitied...?? Ther/our freedoms have gone/are going because of 9-11!

keep up!

They benefited because they have control of the 4th largest oil supplier in the nation, among other things. I'm not saying the US wanted 9/11 to happen. From the US, my heart goes out to the people in Iraq.

They benefited because they have control of the 4th largest oil supplier in the nation, among other things. I'm not saying the US wanted 9/11 to happen. From the US, my heart goes out to the people in Iraq.

Nope, the U.S. didn't want 9/11 to happen, but I can point you to a group that did, whom our leaders are a part of:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

- N

They benefited because they have control of the 4th largest oil supplier in the nation, among other things. I'm not saying the US wanted 9/11 to happen. From the US, my heart goes out to the people in Iraq.

Allah swt bless you for support of freedom of the Iraqi people.

Thank you for the much needed support.

It's good to see an American who wants peace in the world, if only more Americans believed like you we might have prevented this war in the beginning and be able to prevent war on Iran.

Peace.

DiamondHearts: "Hypewaters, by chance, are you Arab?"

I'm a mostly Scotch/English American, but I was raised in the Mideast.