Why couldnt we make ozone?

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by Hypercane, Aug 19, 2004.

  1. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    As far as I know, we have the materials and enough oxygen to produce it into its triatomic form Ozone, or O3. Why couldnt we just engineer ozone and "fill up" some of those holes or thin spots in the ozone layer?
     
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  3. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    That would work. But making a chemical by altering the molecule eats up a lot of money (I assume). We have the technology to do it, but it's too expensive to be practical (for some odd reason).

    And the ozone layer is very high up, so it would be very hard to get that ozone there even if we did make it.

    So obviously it's not cost-efficient.
     
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  5. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Btw, I like yer member name. Are the winds in a hypercane at Mach One?
     
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  7. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    laserprinters and copiers generate ozone, hell, even auto exhaust exposed to UV sunlight generates ozone , ozone is mass produced for making potable water in some areas.

    problem it is all generated down here, we have to get it up there, technically very much possible, but who pays for plugging the holes? that's the big question
     
  8. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    Well if a hot air balloon went as high as 2,360 feet below the ozone layer, I think something more advanced could carry the ozone up there.

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    Well, if hypercanes actually existed back then, possibly. But I'm presuming Mach One is the total maximum speed its winds could go. If there was a hypercane formed today, because of some extravaggant cause, I'm guessing its winds would just be a little below Mach One. Like 750 mph, 11 mph lower than Mach One.

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    Well obviously, no one cares much to spend their own money for the good cause of the human race.

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  10. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    How fast is that compared to a regular hurricane? I live on the West Coast, so I wouldn't know much about them.
     
  11. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    Heh, I live on the west coast too. But hypercanes are theoretical, they might have or might have not existed. But if they did... Hugo was the strongest hurricane recorded, and its winds were 250 mph, a mere 500 mph less. Thats because both a hypercane and Hugo are small. Whats this got to do with that? Think of the Law of Conversation of Angular Momentum, if the spiral arms of the hurri/hypercane are close to the eye, the speed of the winds at the surface will increase.

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  12. Athelwulf Rest in peace Kurt... Registered Senior Member

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    Cool!

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    . . . Wait, why are we talkin' about 'canes? Wasn't the thread about ozone?
     
  13. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    How about using a scaled up version of the australian solar tower concept, that would generate electricity while pumpin up hot ozone (using the same pun intended hot air effect as hypercanes)

    The tower, for it's sheer size, shouldnt be made of concrete, but rather pressurized walls of spectra, maybe the pressure gas could be helium to aid in keeping the smokestack up.
     
  14. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    Heh, yes it was.

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  15. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    Can you explain a little further? I'm a bit dimwitted right now.
     
  16. The Singularity The last thing you'll ever see Registered Senior Member

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    The simple answer is that it's not feasible to fill the ozone holes. To fill the holes, it would require something like 50 - 60 million tons of ozone and whether it is made here and transported up to the stratosphere ... or whether the chemicals are brought up there and ozone is produced at that level, it would require an enormous amount of energy and resourses to pull it off and its because of that that it's not feasible.

    The best solution is to allow the planet to heal itself and replenish its own ozone levels. Even if we did manage to get ozone up there, we may do more harm then good as it would be an unnatural process to the planet.

    As for the tower idea, it would have to be at least 20 miles high to be effective ... which is pretty darn high for a self sustaining tower.

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  17. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    At this rate of air pollution, and increasing chloroflourocarbon levels, I don't think the planet will replenish its own O3 for a while. And even if air pollution stopped, it will be no doubt, too long for the planet to heal itself.
     
  18. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    on a simmilar topic:

    A few days ago I thought (and I am terrible at chemistry, so I am excused

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    Why not create an agent that destroys CO2 in the atmosphere and transforms it into some other element together with the agent. (so we could control the ammounts of CO2 we destroy/transform (plants need it))
     
  19. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    I suggest plant more and more and more trees.

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  20. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    That is a great O great plan!!

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  21. Hypercane Sustained Winds at Mach One Registered Senior Member

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    Lol. Not really, people are kind enough these days to care if the world is ending behind their backs.
     
  22. The Singularity The last thing you'll ever see Registered Senior Member

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    -- The rate of increase of CO2 concentrations is 6 ppm ... or 26.7 billion tons of CO2 emitted into the atmosphere each year.
    -- By natural processes, such as photosynthesis, nature absorbs 3 ppm on an annual basis ... or 13.35 billion tons of CO2 ... which leaves an excess of 13.35 billion tons of CO2 per year to absorb
    -- Each cubic meter of wood binds around 200-250kg of carbon from the atmosphere per year

    If you do the math ... we would need about 65 billion cubic meters of wood to balance the levels of CO2 ... and that is if the rate of emission remains the same.
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    if there will be so many trees there won't be any place for the cars which is quite fine with me

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    people need to hike more, use bikes and public transport
     

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