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View Full Version : Why are the earth sciences so neglected in the usa?
angrybellsprout 01-19-06, 09:30 PM It just really gets to me how the americans put minimal effort into physics, chemestry and biology, but nil into geology or really any of the earth sciences.
I've had liberals come up with hillarious stuff about global warming when they didn't know anything about earth sciences.
Well I've had a few conservatives throw out some funny stuff too, but never anything on the level of lol as the loony liberals.
Hell let's take a simple example from the forums...
Why was the thread
facies are hawt sex
moved?
Oh that's right because westerners don't know a damn thing about earth sciences, thus they wouldn't recognize the term facies and its importance in such a field.
James R 01-19-06, 10:32 PM Perhaps if you'd explained the term for all the liberal dumb-nuts...
mountainhare 01-19-06, 10:48 PM James:
Perhaps if you'd explained the term for all the liberal dumb-nuts...
Can't you use a dictionary, google, or wikipedia?
angrybellsprout 01-19-06, 10:51 PM If they could, then they wouldn't be ignorant illiterate liberal idiots...
identityless 01-19-06, 11:44 PM What kind of high school did you went to? Believe it or not, the remedial high school science classes teach physical general science with a bit geology, as oppose to honors and AP science classes that focuses on chemistry, biology, or physics.
angrybellsprout 01-19-06, 11:51 PM Only time we had earth sciences was year 8...
Then again the fact that the average retard knows even less about the earth sciences than things such as biology which is constantly pushed in public school though never understood by the peons somehow...
angrybellsprout 01-19-06, 11:53 PM Perfect example of what westerners think of earth sciences...
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51571
der what's facies i'm too stupid to figure it out...
Mosheh Thezion 01-20-06, 12:07 AM I THINK IT IS BECAUSE.... earth science is the most boring.
simple.
-MT
identityless 01-20-06, 12:14 AM I think it's the most fun. I mean, learning about what you see everyday - rocks, dirt, the sun, moon, etc. The bigger thing that affects you - weather (rains, the sun's heat, snow, etc). What's affecting the world right now? Tsnuami, Earthquakes, hurriances, etc. It's stuff on the news.
angrybellsprout 01-20-06, 12:20 AM the only science that can compare to earth science on intereast level are the life sciences
Mosheh Thezion 01-20-06, 12:22 AM chemistry is where it all started... and is the foundation to all the other science.
-MT
angrybellsprout 01-20-06, 12:25 AM Bleh to chemistry...
I understand enough of it but still bleh...
Only real fun in chemestry is comming up with home made explosives or getting into the relm of pharmacy which blends into life science
identityless 01-20-06, 12:26 AM There's a Master's student who turn his chemistry lab in to a drug lab to create x-tasy and cocaine. But was later arrested.
angrybellsprout 01-20-06, 12:27 AM well i was going to say something about using chem to make meth...
well i was going to say something about using chem to make meth...
Going back to your original question, the answer is very simple. Can you spell M-O-N-E-Y? Generally speaking, jobs in earth sciences don't pay as well as the others.
angrybellsprout 01-20-06, 12:46 AM people who sell out to money are trash
i know that my intereasts won't yeild me too much money, though plenty of money to pay my bills, but i don't care as long as long as i'm involved in what i live
identityless 01-20-06, 12:59 AM People need to make a living of course. Maybe it's about supply/demand? Not much demands for geologists right now, but in the wake of some recent natural diasters that have occured and global warming issues, I think that's about to change.
angrybellsprout 01-20-06, 01:05 AM geology / other earth sciences teachers?
metorologists?
volcanologists?
gemology?
state geological surveys?
civil engeenering?
military needs geology to do ce?
oil field / other natural resources harvesting?
archeology?
then again i'm a history major who wants to teach public school so i've never looked at money in a real ways. sure i'll have enough to pay my bills, and then some in the district that i live in and hope to work in, but i'll never be wealthy...
well i might get wealthy with my desires to gain political office as lt governor / governor of texas and / or with my music productions which are based in history / politics...
James R 01-20-06, 01:12 AM Can't you use a dictionary, google, or wikipedia?
Well, I could if I wanted to. I thought angrybellsprout was posting a thread to display some of his vast knowledge. But I guess he didn't really want to discuss anything after all.
angrybellsprout 01-20-06, 01:14 AM Why bother discussing with those too inferior to understand?
identityless 01-20-06, 01:46 AM geology / other earth sciences teachers?
metorologists?
volcanologists?
gemology?
state geological surveys?
civil engeenering?
military needs geology to do ce?
oil field / other natural resources harvesting?
archeology?
You mention potential careers for geology majors but are those really in demands? The news station is flooded with metorologists predicting the weather. Volocanologists are probably only useful in Washington or Hawaii, and civli engineers are not in demand as it was once was.
The biggest demands for geologists are mostly in the UN or international affairs I think. If you're in America, most geology work are in academia or research based. But is the state or NSF providing enoughing funding for these researchs to be done? Without a strong demand, there's not enough promotion for these type of geology careers.
angrybellsprout 01-20-06, 10:31 AM Still not an excuse for completly ignoring the earth sciences...
Not everyone is going to be a doctor, yet they take life sciences?
guthrie 01-20-06, 12:42 PM Ignoring the earth sciences? The USA used to be a hotbed of them, seeing asi t had large numbers of mining engineers, geologists, petroleum geologists, paleontologists, etc etc.
Oh look, heres some jobs:
http://www.fwgs.org/fwgsjobs.htm
US burea of labour stats:
http://geology.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=geology&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fstats.bls.gov%2Foco%2Focos050.htm
Median annual earnings of geoscientists were $68,730 in May 2004. The middle 50 percent earned between $49,260 and $98,380; the lowest 10 percent earned less than $37,700, the highest 10 percent more than $130,750.
According to the National Association of Colleges and Employers, beginning salary offers in July 2005 for graduates with bachelor’s degrees in geology and related sciences averaged $39,365 a year.
I would say that is pretty good remuneration. So, what evidence do you have that Earth sciences are being ignored, apart from your own personal experience?
angrybellsprout 01-20-06, 02:23 PM Just because there are jobs doesn't mean that there is a focus on the earth sciences in the american educational system.
You get many more years of life sciences than earth sciences.
guthrie 01-20-06, 03:27 PM Well, then I suggest you get on your local school board, lobby your representatives, and generally kick up a fuss. Not being a USA'ian, I can't do anything. If you are at school, start a geology club. Get well employed geology graduates to make representations to school boards. Or stuff. Stop being so negative and go do something.
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