Why United States went to war on Iraq??



Why United States went to war on Iraq??

Choose one of the follwoing possible answers:


A- because american leaders don't care if they are filling their cars with gas or with other people children's blood...as long as the car is working and someone on TV telling the American public that they are heroes!

B- because America(a 400 years old country..maybe less i dont know!) is a country that likes to share...so in order to share their (400 history) with a cevelization (that is more than 5000 years old) they had to distroy the evedinces of a 4600 years of artifacts and priceless antiquities of Iraq's history...so they set criminals loose from iraqi jails(Freedom!right??... don't believe if that would make you sleep better at night)...put Baghdad at the mercy of thieves and gunmen whom came to the city accompnied by US troops...turned a blind eye on every crime that happened since US (freed) Iraq...
The Thieves rolled the city..mission done!!
Now United States is ready to share...with a smile..

C- Becuase its fun!!and we will have a chance to try all the new toys we were making while screaming at others whom dared to play like we do!!

D -All of the above

Why do u think he is crying ??



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The answer :-
Becuase he wants his hands back ............

Oh boy!!!! that question you asked has been analyzed, asked, answered, and examined to death here....so you must be new here.

There are many alternate motives and the obvious reasons why US went into war with Iraq.....it just depends on which ones you believe and looking from the possible choices as answers you have posted i gather you do not fancy the US very much or downright despise the uncontrollable beast that it is in your eyes. Well i'll tell you you'll get some heat and support from here. That picture of the boy you've posted - now did you ever realize that Saddam was doing worse to his people?.....casualties ,much rather, civilian casualties in form of childern are the worst outcome of war but now that it has been done you do you blame- The US? or Saddam for inciting the whole thing in the first place? or many other reasons that this happened to the boy?. Sadly there is no clear cut answer, only clear, visible, anger and frustation in people and a place looked for to take that anger out on, be that US or Bush himself.


Look forward to what is to come not who to blame because it doesn't matter now only the future of that boy and the thousands of other childern in Iraq. Getting angry won't help the boy but a hopeful future will.

Saddam is a terrorist man ...
but do u know that Saddam is made in America ... they put him in Iraq according to the agreement between america & Saadam himself ....

after he did every things they asked him for to do ...

then the agreement finish ... the give him the prize ....

we don't believe neither in Saddam nor Bush ...

both of them are terrorists ......

but do u know that Saddam is made in America ... they put him in Iraq according to the agreement between america & Saadam himself ....

WRONG !!!..

Do your homework..

Why United States went to war on Iraq??

Err..
1. To find and destroy WMD
2. To capture or kill Saddam Hussain al Tikriti and so ensure "regime change"
3. To liberate the Iraqi people and save them from further harm.

Ok so Zero out of three don't sound so good.
Maybe we'll do better in Syria.;)

What ever happened to Osama Bin Laden?
Dee Cee

the boy's hands were blown off so others can have a better life? why dont you ask him if he is better off with 2 limbs missing. i dare you!
you do not know of what you speak! you appear wicked, inhumane and downright evil.

Err..
1. To find and destroy WMD
2. To capture or kill Saddam Hussain al Tikriti and so ensure "regime change"
3. To liberate the Iraqi people and save them from further harm.

1) Yes. Destroy the weapons. All those weapons. Yes, sir.

2) No. Remember Chimp saying how he hoped for a peaceful disarmanent? Since he tried so hard to avoid a regime changing war, we can only conclude that regime change was not a requirement. Snicker.

3) No, that is just to convince everyone that the US is in the right. Because if your opponent is evil you must the exact opposite. That is practically logic. This 'reason' was only really raised once the inspections dug up nothing and no one brought the Al-Q bullshit.

Originally posted by spookz
the boy's hands were blown off so others can have a better life? why dont you ask him if he is better off with 2 limbs missing. i dare you!
you do not know of what you speak! you appear wicked, inhumane and downright evil. If that was me and I'm seeing my people freed from a dictator, I wouldn't hesitate to say yes.

Saddam is a terrorist man ...
but do u know that Saddam is made in America ... they put him in Iraq according to the agreement between america & Saadam himself

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We supported Saddam for a short while, while another of your Islamist religious fanatics stormed the american embassy, held hundreds hostage and became a leader in Iran......

It was the lesser of two evils....

But WE DID NOT "CREATE" SADDAM, the Baath party did.
It is modeled after the Nazi party from WWII Germany - look it up for yourself.

The baath party's roots are in the Nazi party.

This evil regime is also in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Yeman.
But the party has more control in Syria than the rest of these nations.

That's why we will be going there next.

And yet another thread started with a question asked with only a limited number of selected answers to suit the poter's agenda.:bugeye:

Nomatter what I say the anti-americans on this thread I wont be listened to so Ill stay out of this one. Ta Ta.

What is the diferrent between u and Saddam or Bush???

If u believe that the killing, distroying, cover the TRUTH occuppy the RIGHTS of the world .... is the right to free people from dictatory ......

IS the democracy to force democreacy on people ......

I know that this subject is diffreent ...but we have to do so ....

I know that this subject is diffreent ...but we have to do so ....
to spread the truth ..........



We are not antiamerican ....
I have alot of friends from america ...
I love them so much...they love mo too..

I dont want to harm them .. in any way ..... even them...


I want to spread the TRUTH .... & but the TRUTH ....

Because saddams government is a seething mass of sadistic bastards who are cruel to their own citizenry and then go around taunting us.

Clockwood – Can you then explain why the US will not help the boy above? His recovery instead depends on charity. Many other children orphaned or made limbless by American weaponry are on their own. If the US was stopping cruelty in Iraq, then why are they so cruel? Why won’t they spend less than 1% of the war budget to help these kids?

... because helping was never on the agenda: it's all about the
Benjamins, baby.

If that was me and I'm seeing my people freed from a dictator, I wouldn't hesitate to say yes.

Assuming, of course, that you survived your injuries.
Would you think it worthwhile if you were dead?
Hey Jarrek you might make a good suicide bomber!

Who needs reality when you have Idealism
Dee Cee

All that has happened is a direct result of 9/11.

The world has changed forever, terrorist groups now have the ability to unleash horror on a scale possible by their kind in the past.

These groups have one weakness though. They need a secure home base, they need someone who will provide them with the tools of their trade, give them a safe haven and assistance and turn a blind eye to their activities. The 'rogue state'.

The rogue state by giving assistance to the terrorist groups has in the past been able to attack it's enemies at low cost and with apparant impunity.

Libya supplied the IRA with weapons and explosives and provided secure training bases in the desert . This allowed the terrorists to kill and injure many more people while allowing Gaddafi to get at the British without 'getting his hands dirty'.

although painful and tragic for the families of those killed and maimed by the Libyan supplied munitions the 'low level' attacks on British Society were not enough to warrant a war with gadaffi.

However things have now changed, It is only a matter of time before another 9/11 occurs with either biological or nuclear devices, and the best way to prevent this is to isolate the terrorist and keep them on the run and deny them sanctuary.

Rogue states which 'no longer includes' Iraq now know that the days of helping terrorists without threat of retribution are gone.

The message is loud and clear, help the terrorist and instead of doing nothing as in the past we will now 'rip your throat out with our bare hands'.

with luck the attack on Iraq should be the only action needed for the penny to drop.

All that has happened is a direct result of 9/11.


Then how come Afghan was planned before 9-11 ?
This being direct result of 9-11 is mostly in the peoples heads .


The world has changed forever, terrorist groups now have the ability to unleash horror on a scale possible by their kind in the past.


Actually in the 70's Arabs hijacked 5 plaines planning to be crashed but all was solved . And suicide bombings happen in Palestine every day .


These groups have one weakness though. They need a secure home base, they need someone who will provide them with the tools of their trade, give them a safe haven and assistance and turn a blind eye to their activities. The 'rogue state'.


Wrong , the "home-base" isnt in "rogue states" . The homebase is where I am at right now , and most probably where u are at just as well . The base ( Al Qaida) is not relevant , its a nice name since there are camps and shit , but no camps are needed to blow oneself up . Just explosives , I could get my hands on explosives today if I would wish , and I am not in a "rogue state" .


The rogue state by giving assistance to the terrorist groups has in the past been able to attack it's enemies at low cost and with apparant impunity.


Not really , Iraq & Syria(sepecially) only assisted the Palestinain "terrorists" , while those who are active in the West (thats those who u became familliar with on 9-11) are western euro's and amerikans .


Libya supplied the IRA with weapons and explosives and provided secure training bases in the desert . This allowed the terrorists to kill and injure many more people while allowing Gaddafi to get at the British without 'getting his hands dirty'.


Same thing with the Ba'athist and Palestine , however this is not the terrorism you are to fear directly , this is the terrorism Israel has to fear directly .


However things have now changed, It is only a matter of time before another 9/11 occurs with either biological or nuclear devices, and the best way to prevent this is to isolate the terrorist and keep them on the run and deny them sanctuary.


It will , but thats just the thing is it . Look , Im here , typing shit , free as a bird , and nobody is doing me anything , with me there are millions of other Arabs and Muslims spread around the West , i dont see anybody isolating anything . To you , we are all potential terrorists , not even a holocaust would solve that .


Rogue states which 'no longer includes' Iraq now know that the days of helping terrorists without threat of retribution are gone.


Our rogue states are France , Belgium , The Netherlands , Brittain , Germany , Italy , Spain etc . And lets not forget wonderfull USA ...... all these countries are filled with "terrorists"
Millions of 'em .

Im sorry to c people so extremely uninformed , but hey.....cant know anything can u
:D

Now back to Iraq , 2 reasons :
1)Israel
2)Oil

Syria : 1 reason
1)Israel

Wrong , the "home-base" isnt in "rogue states" . The homebase is where I am at right now , and most probably where u are at just as well . The base ( Al Qaida) is not relevant , its a nice name since there are camps and shit , but no camps are needed to blow oneself up . Just explosives , I could get my hands on explosives today if I would wish , and I am not in a "rogue state" .

You might could get hold of a small amount of explosives, but nothing could be planned on the scale of 9/11 without a secure base of operations in an accomodating nation. Living in some safe house in New York City or Paris is not going to give you access to the serious funds, materials, and training necessary to carry out extensive operations such as 9/11, the Cole attack, or an embassy bombing.

Refresh memory time.
Back during the cold war, we had tons of russian sleepers.
Their job was to mingle with the community, become a citizen, get a job, get married... etc

They don't do anything until activated, which might never happen.

And what exactly do you think those embedded agents roles were to be. Activate terrorist training camps? Haul nuclear devices out of their safehouse basements? Sleeper cells still need a home base (in the case of the Cold War it was Moscow) to provide them funding and materials, to keep them updated, etc. They don't just exist in a void.

tTe Netherlands, Spain, Belgium rogue states, Allah's Mathematics you are seriously disturbed. Yesterday I was watching the 'Sound of Music' on DVD with my 13 year old daughter, it was great. Julie Andrews was singing Doe ray me, with the stunning views of that rouge state Austria in the background while some of the children (sorry evil european terrorists) were singing along merrily. I imagine you were all alone somewhere in a in a 1 roomed apartment, just you and your venomus hatred, cursing the west for everything and anything.

I assume you are male, It would scare me even more to think that a female could sink to the depths that you appear to be at.

But do the world a service, never be a parent, no child (of any colour, creed or belief deserves to grow up amid such hostility and blinkered hatred. You and Adolph Hitler ( one Austrian at least who you would like) would have had a lot in common.

You might could get hold of a small amount of explosives, but nothing could be planned on the scale of 9/11 without a secure base of operations in an accomodating nation. Living in some safe house in New York City or Paris is not going to give you access to the serious funds, materials, and training necessary to carry out extensive operations such as 9/11, the Cole attack, or an embassy bombing.


U couldnt have been using a more problematic example . It is explosions that are actually the biggest problem . Explosives can be obtained in eastern Euro through former secret service agencies and modern day mafia , all mixed up into this new eastern european phenomena . Thats the biggest problem , but that is getting easier with the EU expansion of Poland and Chegia . The 9-11 action , whitch still hasnt been proven to be dependant of Al-Qaida , more than with some Hijackers to have attained traing camps (whitch do not imply direct organziation from the base) . If it was not for Afghanistan 9-11 would still happen without one doubt . And not because they would move to another "rogue" state but because it was a joke really . It wasnt like it was mission impossible or something , it was absolutely the most ridiciouless counter attack the world has ever know . A bunch of highskool boys could have done the exact same thing . Hardly any money was involved (maybe for the flying lessons , but hey I know some guys who can fly planes as well and they didnt learn it to fly into buildings , although one day who knows , it might come into such use , it could , and thats my point) .

The scale of 9-11 was only big in shock an casualties , not in anything else . Perhaps it is an amerikan illusion that there is this huge this and that behind everything , i can tell u there isnt . Sure there is some sort of communication , and money transfering , but its not all that organized from some state as people believe it . Bombing Afghan had absolutely no effect on international terrorism as u might see it , it had an effect of another kind of Jihad . All the people who are trained in Afghan (and Paki for that matter) arent going to blow themselves up or hijack planes for suicide missions , they are Mujahid who are receivings arms and military gear so they can fight a guerilla war in Kashmir , Chechnya , Iraq right now . No Palestinian who blows himself up for instance has been in some Al Qaida trainingscamp , same thing for the Hijackers relevantly , because those who did go , di not go there for such a mission , this kind of mission came after them being trained there .

Yes there is organization , yes there is the base , but all this is not really that relevant for the possibility of terrorism within the West . The cole was attacked by Mujahiddeen , and ofcourse in Africa there was organziation with the embassees , in Euro and USA (well more in Euro then USA obviously) there is not need for all this "organization" . A cell as you call it can support itself and the community can finance an assault if this was necesarry .


Now assuming the CIA taught Osma well, his cell groups should be based upon the same idea except that they work in teams. Sleeper cells. Even if homeland security gets all of them, paranoia is still there, breeding distrust among the American Arab community which in turn breeds a new generation of American seperatist.


These cells spoken of are so wideley spread within the Islamic and especially Arabic populations of Euro there is no such thing as getting all of them . All of them means millions .
The organization is re-forming daily , and since there is a sort of anarchy-like structure to be considered , there are no stable "cells" , in the military cultural tradition . It is not like u drop some people on foreign enemy land , people already know the land and its environment , perhaps are evn born there . Ofocurse again this is more relevant for Euro than USA .


And what exactly do you think those embedded agents roles were to be. Activate terrorist training camps? Haul nuclear devices out of their safehouse basements? Sleeper cells still need a home base (in the case of the Cold War it was Moscow) to provide them funding and materials, to keep them updated, etc. They don't just exist in a void.


U are having a very incorrect vision pf how modern day terrorism works , but thats all for the good i suppose . U shouldnt think in such terms as a unit in a hostile environment who needs supplie and material and everything , thats not how it goes . Muhammad Atta was a German student accomodated with the German way of living , before he entered his martyr role . It is not a void they exist in , it is a community , especially in France and belgium , where arab communities have grown out of proportian in the eyes of the natives . There is also hardly any necesarity for a strong and strict organization , since it so incredibly unseen by the governments . U couldnt even compare it to Farc or Ira like organizations . And most definetly it is not state terrorism , although ofcourse several states do finance several people , more importantly , several sheikhs do finance several people .

tTe Netherlands, Spain, Belgium rogue states, Allah's Mathematics you are seriously disturbed. Yesterday I was watching the 'Sound of Music' on DVD with my 13 year old daughter, it was great. Julie Andrews was singing Doe ray me, with the stunning views of that rouge state Austria in the background while some of the children (sorry evil european terrorists) were singing along merrily. I imagine you were all alone somewhere in a in a 1 roomed apartment, just you and your venomus hatred, cursing the west for everything and anything.
I assume you are male, It would scare me even more to think that a female could sink to the depths that you appear to be at.
But do the world a service, never be a parent, no child (of any colour, creed or belief deserves to grow up amid such hostility and blinkered hatred. You and Adolph Hitler ( one Austrian at least who you would like) would have had a lot in common.


Yes yes identify people with this and that and no further thought-processes are necesary . What do u know about my hatred ? U know absolutely nothing of me , and already u are talking to me about me not be capable of raising children ? Please dont share ur wonderfull Julie Andrews experiences , nobody cares . I fully understand how u emotionally reason , and why .
Its all good , U go whatch tv ok ?
And please , dpnt compare me to some idiot who hates Jews cuz they ran the damn theatre , and who's brainwashed by Himmler fantasees of being Norish Gods and Ancient Atlantis inhabitors .
Getouttahere man , if u dont have anything refuting or consructing to say than just bitch at me , why do u respond in the first place , and why not just ignore such people like me full of this and that . Im in a 1room appartement ? I know u try to imagine me as some sorry ass , but why couldnt some sorry ass have a big house ? And now u also are sexualizing the whole matter , me bettre being male because obviously u and your little care ethics if u ever heard about such things , cant handle sexual equality and for sure u cant handle vissions far superior than your own ?

Shit , u got whatch some more tv , and make sure u dont hang out in skyscrapers , especially if u indeed are this great mom (cuz i assume ur a woman since i right now flipped a coin and I decided heads to be woman , and guess what ..?) , and love your children , u start thinking in what world u are rasing her.....

Im not gonna judge u as a mother any further , although i could and would have great backup for it as well .

U just go live your dream , perhaps your daughter will live the exact same dream one day , lets just hope she will be wiser .

Oh and for some woman u might care to know on , perhaps they might blow your mind , here is one for you :

Wafa Idris (Peace Be Upon Her) , first palestinian female "suicide bomber" , as u people who also misdefine terrorism call the Shaheed . Jaffa Road@Jerusalem

Perhaps u wish to do some research on this woman , it might change your sad little sexists views just one bit .

http://www.idf.il/idf_in_pictures/resources/content/2.jpg

Oh , before I forget : She was Red Cross volunteer

Issanah: Not your fault, but these subjects have been done to death and, frankly, its becoming extremely boring. I take it also from your posts that English is not your native language, so I will make allowances there. In your original post you forgot letter

F: Because Iraq needs to be/ has been freed and a threat to other countries removed.

G: Get a life

What do all suicide bombers have in common?

No bloody brains and little else left.

AM
U couldnt have been using a more problematic example . It is explosions that are actually the biggest problem . Explosives can be obtained in eastern Euro through former secret service agencies and modern day mafia , all mixed up into this new eastern european phenomena . Thats the biggest problem , but that is getting easier with the EU expansion of Poland and Chegia . The 9-11 action , whitch still hasnt been proven to be dependant of Al-Qaida , more than with some Hijackers to have attained traing camps (whitch do not imply direct organziation from the base) . If it was not for Afghanistan 9-11 would still happen without one doubt .

If it was as easy to obtain explosives in the US as you claim it is in Europe, or even to smuggle them in to the US from Europe, or as easy to organize a 9/11 style incident without some sort of central planning, then why do we not see more such attacks in the US? Hell, we don't even see simple suicide bombing on the scale of buses or cafes that occur in Israel on a regular basis. If it's that easy then explain why we don't see more of it.

katavan
Sleepers are nothing more than "patriotic" citizens waiting for their call of duty. They do not report back to headquarters or anybody until contacted. Their job is survive and intergrate into their targeted society. No funding, nothing. Some get help with their initital passport and identity, others apply for a green card than citizenship.

Apparently they do get funding. That's why the FBI has seized funds from many mosques, Islamic neighborhood newspapers and schools in the US that were links between Middle East contacts and cells in the US.

[/quote]You are confusing spy activites to that of a sleeper. Sleepers are self-sufficient and do not act at all unless ordered. Usually used once and discarded. There is little or no communication until activation.[/quote]

My point exactly. They don't act on their own. They have a central command that guides them. And as I mentioned to AM, if they have everything they need at their disposal and all they need is a signal to activate, why don't we see more attacks in the US? I'm not even talking about events on the scale of 9/11, but just small suicide bombings in cafes, buses, malls, etc? What holds them back?

"What holds them back?"

For relatively spontaneous and personal acts of terrorism, I suspect being immediately surrounded by misery physically and psychologically- being trapped in an unpromising existence like the occupied territories or former Saddam City- is a significant factor.

For more organized, larger-scale retaliation/provocation, things obviously take time. 9-11 did not transpire for a decade after the US garrison in Saudi Arabia was established.

"What holds them back" is doubtfully American interventionism abroad. It's doubtfully suspiciousness and heightened "security" within the US, although this may cause a short delay while easy workarounds are developed.

The widespread international cooperation in the early post 9-11 period, that led to so many arrests and disruption of terrorist networks probably did hold them back. The invasions, especially Afghanistan, certainly did disrupt, but now terrorist organizers may be busy exploiting promising new financial and personnel opportunities. With anti-americanism and recruitment for retaliation against the US certainly on the rise, the organizational reshaping and jockeying of terrorist organizations may be "holding them back"- But for how long, and what is the status of international cooperation and deterrence given America's unpopular new personality?

In the long term, what is holding them back? Sadly, absolutely nothing. Meanwhile, Americans seem no closer to comprehension of the correct national responses to terrorism than we were on 9-10-01: When the clock inevitably runs out, the question is:

What will hold US back?

Katavan; don't know how old you are but the hate relationship between the middle east etc and the USA goes back a hell of a lot further than Duyba Bush. It all stems from USA siding with Israel in 48 and then on.............

I really cannot understand the mentality of a suicide bomber? I mean, here he (or she) fixes a few pounds of explosive to his/her person and kills or injures a few people - to what end? They are never remembered, their "cause" is not furthered one single iota; so a bus gets wrecked, build a new one. Some jews get killed - so will a few Palestinians - suicide attack - a few Jews get killed - so will a few ............... get my drift. Completely pointless.

I really cannot understand the mentality of a suicide bomber? I mean, here he (or she) fixes a few pounds of explosive to his/her person and kills or injures a few people - to what end? They are never remembered, their "cause" is not furthered one single iota; so a bus gets wrecked, build a new one. Some jews get killed - so will a few Palestinians - suicide attack - a few Jews get killed - so will a few ............... get my drift. Completely pointless.


Have you ever tasted the Israeli mood/sphere in the new millenium . If u would have , you would know what purpose and effect the martyrs have .

And that they are not remebered is not true , they are remembered , but ofcourse you couldnt know since the chance is quite slim u actually know how the arabic history honoring system works .

If it was as easy to obtain explosives in the US as you claim it is in Europe, or even to smuggle them in to the US from Europe, or as easy to organize a 9/11 style incident without some sort of central planning, then why do we not see more such attacks in the US? Hell, we don't even see simple suicide bombing on the scale of buses or cafes that occur in Israel on a regular basis. If it's that easy then explain why we don't see more of it.


Coldrake , I understand your view and I do not deny there is organization , I am just saying that it is not that tight nor very necesarry for the acts to be possible . As u mentioned before Mosques have a great recruiting facility , but so do the streets . The thing is really , that the ARE being recruted , while they do not do anything independently . But their recruitors do not have to be foreign based when it comes to assaults , they are though when it comes to another jihad , where the person in question does not become a bomber (something still only happening in Palestine ) , but a Mujahid and receives training and armes to fight in Kashmir or Chechnya etc . That is where the base (Al Qaida) comes in , and thus it is them recruiting people . And thats why nobody does these acts u mention , because everybody already is going elsewhere . The acts u mention can be done daily , but they indeed are not . This is not because they cannot be , this is because people make different choices in their military plan . Can you imagine what the thousands of Mujahid from Europe who went to Iraq and fight , did everything they did at home ?

They can act on their own , they havent done so yet .
Why ? Because there is no organization that considers seriously to attack yet , while the base brings everybody to the warzone .

The question is , will terrorism disapear without the base ? No it wouldnt , since the base mainly functions as a Mujahid recruiter , while absolutely every muslim(arab) can become a terrorist any time , without having financial problems .

kavatan
You are still thinking along the lines of our current media hype's defination of "sleeper" as in terrorist sleeper cells. E.g Atta and his bunch of jollyfanatics.

No, actually I'm not. I don't depend on the media for information concerning security or international relations. All I have to do is read the monthly editions of journals like Foreign Policy, Proceedings, or a number of other publications in my university library, or go online and read National Security Archives or National Security Outlook. And I'm not saying there are not sleeper cells in the US, of course there are. But I'm thinking their funding has been severely hampered and they are not getting any direction from a home base. We were led to believe both by the latest bin Laden tapes and from independent sources in the Middle East that war would unleash a wave of terrorism both in the US and upon our forces in Iraq. We've yet to see anything here, and we've seen nothing but some piecemeal attacks on troops in Iraq, and really not much of those. Do I think the US will never see any more terrorist attacks? No, but I don't think there are many cells that can do any serious damage on their own without help and direction from outside. And I agree with hype in that internal security is keeping them off balance as well. Who knows? Maybe like you said, many of them are changing their minds when they get over here. Democracy and capitalism has got to be better than dying.

Think global spy networks and add a dash of compartmentalization and two pinches of bureaucracy.

For more information about how the sleeper system works, look up a few good old spy books written by retired spies from the cold war era.

That's funny you said that. I was thinking earlier you may have been reading a few too many Robert Ludlum or John le Carre novels. :D

AM
The acts u mention can be done daily , but they indeed are not . This is not because they cannot be , this is because people make different choices in their military plan . Can you imagine what the thousands of Mujahid from Europe who went to Iraq and fight , did everything they did at home ?

OK. I understand what you are trying to say, but that leads to another question. If terrorist cells are that organized, and are holding back waiting for the right time, the jihad, then why have they not coordinated their attacks in Israel? Why all the piecemeal attacks, when they could conduct major strikes as part of the jihad all over Israel at a given time on a given day, such as the Viet Cong did in '68 on Tet? Seems to me, it would be a much more forceful expression of power than these random suicide attacks.

OK. I understand what you are trying to say, but that leads to another question. If terrorist cells are that organized, and are holding back waiting for the right time, the jihad, then why have they not coordinated their attacks in Israel? Why all the piecemeal attacks, when they could conduct major strikes as part of the jihad all over Israel at a given time on a given day, such as the Viet Cong did in '68 on Tet? Seems to me, it would be a much more forceful expression of power than these random suicide attacks.


I do not think u are . They are not that organized , and they are not holding back either . There are no such things as terrorist cells to begin with . There are just several people who have contact for the base , and recruit youngsters to go to war . What happened on 9-11 is a new era , where there is a shift of role is of the youngsters in the West . But that shift is not been pushed , people still go to the war instead of performing assaults in the west . That is simply a matter of tactic , whitch I think should shift asap if one wants to gain results . If Syria gets attacked tomorrow , tens of thousands will go and fight , while it is much more profitable if they would bring the war to the west instead of go and get themselves killed over there .
So it is not like they are holding back for Jihad , Jihad is going on for a long time . I merely wanted to point to the fact that "terrorists" and all they need to perform assaults , do not depend on Al Qaida or rogue states . They are led by people who ofcourse are connected , but those people are merely showing the route , since all that is being done is people going to countries and fight .

Now for Palestina , u must understand that the freedomfighters in palestine have little to do with the freedomfighters elsewhere . Sure they get some support , but since the recruitants in the west arent usual suicide bombers but soldiers , they go in areas where there is actual fighting , and not Palestine . The Palestinians are pretty independant in their men , but it is them who are depending on states . Ofcourse these states are states who are against Israel , heading with Syria . And that is why such "rogue states" are under fire , because it is in Israels benefit , not in the benefit of the USA and terror attacks . Muhammad Atta had little to do with Syria or Iraq , and the base was something that helped him , but it was not something he couldnt have done without .

Originally posted by zanket
Clockwood – Can you then explain why the US will not help the boy above? His recovery instead depends on charity. Many other children orphaned or made limbless by American weaponry are on their own. If the US was stopping cruelty in Iraq, then why are they so cruel? Why won’t they spend less than 1% of the war budget to help these kids?

You asnwered your own questions if charites are doing a good job of taking care of him why should the state step in?

Iraq has nothing to do with Israel. Iraq treated the refugees like shit. They didnt give them citizen ship.

when ur the one left without arms... a home or a family call me; we'll c if thats still what u think





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Inssanah