Catholicism The Bible doesn't say priest can't married so why is this a hang up for the Vatican? Sincerely, I don't undestand why the Vatican condems that which is blessed by God. No, marriage won't solve all the problems of the R.C.C, but perhaps it could have stopped alot of kids from being victimizied. So if you understand Catholicism please inform me why priest can't marry? I'm Christian but not Catholic, please explain the exact position of the Pope what he hopes to accomplish and the text used. In particular, when it comes to issues of marriage, what reason makes the Pope right and God wrong on any issue.
In the catholic church there are about 12 functions, just as there were 12 apostles.. there is a pope, cardinal, archbishop, bishop, priest, deacon, monks, friars, nuns, laymissionaries, altar server, and those who annoints the sick by giving them eucharist (LOL, I forgot what its called). St. Peter, St. Paul never got married, I dont know about the rest of the apostles however. Why? Because their sole mission is TO GO ONTO THE WORLD AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF MAN, BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND KNOW THAT I WILL BE WITH YOU TILL THE END OF TIME, said by Jesus before departing them. Not everyone is called to go unto all nations and the world and preach the gospel. Some are called to be a family man and get married, Like st. Joseph, just a carpenter. Some are called to be a soldier, like the Roman soldier whom God healed his daughter. And some are even called to be just a typicall housewives, like Martha and Mary. IF YOU WANT TO GET MARRIED IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND AT THE SAME TIME SERVE GOD, YOU CAN BECOME A DEACON AND CELEBRATE THE MASS AS WELL. You can also become a lay missionary, or just a typical construction worker, you can serve God in any aspects in life. When you become a priest, or a bishop, or a pope, YOU ARE CALLED TO GO ON TO THE NATIONS AND EVERY CORNERS OF THE EARTH TO PROCLAIM THE GOSPEL. IF U HAVE A FAMILY, YOUR KIDS WILL END UP GROWING WITHOUT A FATHER BECAUSE U WILL MOVE FROM ONE LOCATION TO ANOTHER AND ARE CALLED TO MANY MISSIONS. ON TOP OF THAT YOU WILL BE TOO BUSY. As a priest you embraced the church as your bride. The whole community will have to call you "father" because you are their spiritual father...
Lady, there are so many protestant attack against catholicism, but all attacks have answers, they are like atheism's attack against God. I have been a catechist teacher for a while, I am the perfect guy to ask about your bible confusion if u have one, one of them are "Call noone on earth your father, for you only have one father, God alone" some protestant use this against catholicism...This are all too basic, THERE ARE TONS OF THEM, but you are free to debate with me if you want, its all on you, or you can have faith in the catholic church and the confusion will end. Just realize this, all religions I know of, from buddhism, to hinduism, to protestantism, etc. have some truths in them, some are very very less, some are more, but the COMPLETE TRUTH, the fullness of truth is in the Roman catholic church, unwavering "ROCK". Jesus have founded this directly Himself "ONE RULER", OUR CHURCH IS HANDED DOWN FROM MOSES, TO ABRAHAM, TO ISIAH (who prophesied Jesus coming) TO JESUS CHRIST, TO ST. PETER, TO THE NEXT POPE, TO THE SAINTS, TILL TODAY, WE ARE HANDED DOWN.. MUSLIMS AND JEWS- Ishmael and Jacob are the sons of Abraham, they were sworn enemies, Jacob however was the weak one, he is afraid of Ishmael, but God favored Jacob more. As they grew up, they went their own way. The descendants of Jacob are the jews today living in Israel, and the descendants of Ishmael are the muslims today. Today they are still sworn enemies. Thats why in the Quran, and muslim religion, their GREATEST prophet is Abraham, the father of Ishmael. Every 4 hrs (I think) every muslims in the middle east have to face the direction where the tomb of Abraham was believed to be buried. Jews would have been ok if they were not victimized by the hipocrite Pharisees and Saducces, the teachers at the time. If they listened to the law written by the prophet Isijah, they would have accepted Jesus Christ because he was written. Till this day, the jews are still hoping for that coming Messiah, over 2000 years has gone by since Jesus has arrived, they still havent found their Messiah, Jesus came but they didnt recognize Him because their hearts were evil, poor them, they paid for their parents fault. When jesus was crucified, women in the streets were weeping, Jesus said "Woman dont cry for me, but cry for your generations because they have rejected the Messiah who came to take away the sins of the world"....Ever since then, Jews were hated by almost all races. hitler in world war 2 proved Jesus prophesy to be true. Ishmael never hhad the chance to meet the handed down prophets because he went on his own after Abraham's death.. He was a violent man in the bible, viscious and strong, he was powerfull. Today muslim believes everything in the oold testament, but they have not met some prophets at the time, and their new testament came from Muhammed, the book of Quran is their New testament. And quran allows multiple marriage, and I even heard it is written there that Allah rewards those who murder unbelievers, Jesus doesnt state that. Muslims even persecutes woman, giving them no equal rights. In summary, Roman catholic church is the original descent from Moses, to Abraham, to Isijah, to jesus the christ, to Peter, to popes today. We are the fullness of the truth. The rest of the other religions are too uncivilized, unwavering, and non convincing at all. note: To be saved, it is not because you carry the title "Christian", you will be saved by your virtuous life, the stronger your faith, the more it shows through your good deeds, you know the man by his fruits. Whether your buddhist or christian, it is by yur virtuos works that u r judged by God. Now the question is, where does the fullness of virtues come from? Christianity of course. The sad thing is, almost everyone have a hard time following the virtues and moral values, the world have strong influence for us to do the opposite, to be greedy, lustfull, etc. Maybe it is more easier for the atheist or pagans to be saved and do good 2000 years ago because the influence of them doing bad isnt very strong, but today it is. We need to pray to God alot and have strong faith to follow His words, the virtues and morals. Today, I can almost say you have to be Christian to follow God and His virtues, because unlike atheist or pagans, we try to surround ourselves with goood influence, and we have faith in God and pray. Meanwhile if your an atheist or a pagan TODAY, you will be consumed with media and evil influences of the world, to be pervert, abortion, euthanasia, its ok to be gay, adore materials, be greedy, etc. Atheist allows those to consume them, thats why I can almost say TODAY, unlike 2000 years ago, you have to be christian to be morally good....(Again I cant generalize and speak for all atheist or all christians, ok?)
I suppose you weren't informed that Jesus didn't lay down any laws about his "church" but rather he was against a rigid authoratarian religion and put great stress on each individual's personal relationship with god. This and the fact that the Roman Catholic Church has been one of the most corrupt institutions in past centuries leads me to question your sanity when making the above statement.
YOU ARE JUST LIKE THE ATHEIST AND THE IGNORANTS, I CAN BE STUPID TOO, "the fact that the EUROPEAN NATIONS has been one of the most corrupt institutions in past centuries leads me to question your sanity when making ANY statement OF HUMANITARIAN." You aare blaiming the whole church for leaders fault, why dont u look up in the doctrine of the faith and point to me the wrongs, instead of judging the Pope's sin, the presidents sin, the europeans sins, the asians sins, the human mistakes. IF U WANT TO BLAIM THE NATIUON,BLAIM THE RULES IN THE NATION, NOT THE PEOPLE IN THE NATION. ASIANS ARE CORRUPT NATIONALITIES TOO, SO I QUESTION PEOPLES SANITY IN CLAIMING CHRISTIANS TEACHES TO DO GOOD, THERE IS NO GOOD IN ASIANS, ONLY EVIL...LOL....GROW UP.... JESUS DIDNT WANT AUTHORITY? BUT DIDNT JESUS SAID "FULL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME BY THE FATHER BOTH IN HEAVEN ON EARTH, AS THE FATHER HAS SENT ME, SO I SEND YOU, ETC." SO AS GOD THE FATHER SENT JESUS WITH AUTHORITY, IN THE SAME WAY JESUS HANDED THAT AUTHORITY TO THE APOSTLES. HE EVEN SAID TO PETER "U R MY ROCK UPON MY ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND NOT THE GATES OF HELL SHALL PREVAIL AGAINST IT, WHATEVER U BIND ON EARTH WILL BE BOUND ON HEAVEN", SO WHATEVER PETER BOUND ON EARTH WILL BE BOUND ON HEAVEN, SO IF HE SAID "I BOUND THIS TO BE THE TRUTH" THEN THAT AS WELL WILL BE TRUTH IN HEAVEN, UNLESS GOD IS LYING, PETER IS GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.. YOU THINK ANY OF THE CHURCH'S TEACHING IS IMMORAL, OR CONTRADICTORY, U SEE ANY EVEN IN THE BIBLE? THEN POST IT AND ILL GLADLY PROVE U WRONG. HE ALSO SAID TO THE APOSTLES "WHOSE SINS YOU SHALL FORGIVE, THEY SHALL BE FORGIVEN", IF YOU DONT CALL THIS AUTHORITY, THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS, THE WORD AUTHORITY MUST BE A MYTH, EVEN JESUS TOLD YOU TO RESPECT THE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY "GIVE TO CEASARS WHAT BELONGS TO CEASARS, AND TO GODS WHATS GOD'S". JESUS DIDNT LAY DOWN ANY LAWS IN THE CHURCH HE FOUNDED? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME, A CATECHIST TEACHER.. ....LOL...Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! U GIVE ME A GOOD SMILE, THANK YOU...
Bad example since I think all nations are corrupt and should be abolished. States and countries are tools of the wealthy and should be done away with. Secondly the Pope is just an elevated Bishop, back in the early days of the church some thought the Bishop of Jerusalem or whatever should be Pope, there were great political struggles over this, since that was Jesus' birthplace, to think he somehow inherited Peter's authority is ludacris. Thirdly, since there is no God to bestow Jesus with authority, let alone allow him to pass that authority to Peter, your second argument is pointless.
You claim there is no God? THEN PROVE YOUR CLAIM, PROVE TO ME GOD DONT EXIST, Im waiting.... Yes, Pope meaning "father" as in "Papa" is an elevated bushop, just as St. Peter is an elevated apostle, I agree...And yes people make msitakes and struggles, you are right, humans are not perfect. There was a time when there were 2 popes appointed at once, but then the decision was made for one to remain, yes human beings make mistakes, otherwise do you disagree with me, and propose that humans are perfect? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!. I claim God is real, and i have tons of evidence to support my claim... Now you make a claim there is no God, so prove it...u have the burden of proof on your claim.
Explain to me why I have the burden of proof when you're the one trying to prove somethings existance. I merely say I have never seen convincing proof for god's existance so I don't believe god is real. Just like I don't believe an honest president is real. I've never seen proof for either one.
whatsupyall: Oh God, finally here is the one who knows all the truth and can tell us the truth% in each religion. So whatsupyall, why do you think we should all realize that all religions you know of, from buddhism, to hinduism, to protestantism etc. have some truths in them, but the complete ROCK is Roman catholic church? Please let us know (without too many pages and the CAPS please) how you managed to know the total truth, so you could judge all the religions (those you know of). Handed over by whoever you mentioned? I thought some of the religions (that you know of) were handed over many centuries before. Please also let us know what the partial truth in the other religions (those you know of) is and what religious texts and scriptures you have referred in this gigantic truth-seeking exercise. I am sure you must have spent a large part of your life on this. But if you haven't, please realize that it is loose, biassed statements like what you have made that entice everybody, from atheists to followers of other faiths to move to a state of moderateness to one of vitriolic criticism. And if you say God intended the priests not to marry, why did he not create them sans the apparatus? Church is the bride? sounds obscene!!! What we know in this world is limited. If one cannot appreciate the good in other faiths, one should not make judgements.
priests can't marry only... ...in the Roman Catholic Church. In the Byzantine (European) Catholic Church, the priests have been allowed to be married and have children for eons. They are also under the Pope's rule. You don't hear about any perverted molestations in that side of the "house" only because the men who choose to be priests are not a bunch of sexually frustrated men. They also are better suited as marriage counselors because they've "been there, done that" as family men. I don't know what the problem is implementing this law for the Roman Catholic Priests. Celibacy is not a normal thing for the male species in the human race, unless you've been castrated. There's a novel idea....
I understand, Im a malee too, but do you guys understand? No. Listen, WHEN YOU WANT TO BECOOME A PRIEST, IT IS ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING YOU WANT TO BECOME SINGLE, THEREFORE YOU WANT TO BE SINGLE, SO YOU WILL BE SINGLE, THEREFOORE YOU ARE LEFT TO BE SINGLE, SO YOUR SINGLE. GET IT?? IF YOU DONT WANT TO BECOME SINGLE, THEN DONT BECOME A PRIEST, BE A LAY MISSIONARY, DO SOMETHING ELSE, THERE R MANY OTHER OPTIONS. You will decide that for yourself. BUT WHY DO MANY PEOPLE STIL BECOME A PRIEST AND TAKE THE SACRIFICE TO BE SINGLE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE? MAYBE U SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE WORD "CONVICTION", YOU THINK THIS IS SO HARD? U THINK GUYS MUST BE CRAZY TO DEVOTE THEIR ENTIRE LIFE SERVING GOD AND BEING SINGLE? THEN THAT JUST PROVES GOD'S EXISTENCE, THEIR CONVICTION, THEY ARE 100% SURE GOD IS REAL AND IT IS VISIBLE BY THE DIFFICULTIES THEY STEP IN ORDER TO SERVE GOD. TO YOU IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THATS WHY YOU ARE NOT A PRIEST, Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Yes other catholic churches allow you to marrry, THEY MAY CLAIM TO BE UNDER THE RULE OF THE POPE, BUT THEY ARE NOT, THEY DONT LISTEN TO HIM, otherwise their priest will not be married by now BECAUSE THE POPE DOESNT ALLOW THAT. the ORTHGODOX CHURCH SPLIT FROM THE BEGGINING BECAUSE PREVIOUS POPE'S WERE CORRUPT, there were even a pope who have kids wwhile in the position. Some popes in the past were so cruel they even gave permission to massive murder for the sake of evangelization, powers were abused, ALTHOUGH THEIR ACTION ISNOT IN THE DOCTRINE BUT AN INDEPENDENT ACT. So the church at the time, for the right thing to do would have been to wait for the next Pope, then explain to themwhy they split, and be united again, but thats not the case, they are still under the closet and on their own traditionally for almost 1000 years now.
whatsupyall, These reasons are confusing simpliy because the Bible doesn't condem it. But before I waste my time, for clarification, is the R.C.C considered Christian, if not, please clarify.
The RCC attitude regarding women seems to stem largely from to Paul's apparent misogyny. 1 Corinthians 14:34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 1 Timothy 2:11-12 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. http://www.crosscurrents.org/eisenbaum.htm http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/women.html This, of course, is not a complete explanation but it does reference the central position of the RCC: The Vatican's primary reasoning is as follows: "the position of the Catholic Church: "She holds that it is not admissible to ordain women to the priesthood, for very fundamental reasons. These reasons include: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God's plan for his Church." Here's the full text right from Pope John Paul himself. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/j...i_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html ~Raithere
