At preesent there are 12 months having different days for each month.
Every year we have to see the calender.
Also date and days are different for every month.

Instead of this consider 7 days /week, 4 weeks/month and 13 months/year
This becomes 364 days.
Every year we shoud have holiday as year ending day as extra day.
During leap year we can have extra holiday after year ending day.
Thus 1st of every month will be always on Monday.
Since there are 4 weeks/month, every month will be identical.
13th Month can be named as Thirteenember
Year Ending Day can be named as YEDAY (Date will be 29th Thirteenember)
Leap Year Day can be named as LEDAY((Date will be 30th Thirteenember)

By using this calender our measuring system becomes very simple.

Can anybody answer why are we not implementing this ?

P.J.LAKHAPATE
pjlakhap@bechtel.com

Remember the Millenium virus scare? There was a glitch in the computer stuff? Imagine all the reprogramming that would have to be done just to fix the computers. Then there's changes to national holidays, religious holidays (Catholic Easter and American Thanksgiving would be particularly tricky). People would forget your birthday, and that would be sad. Voting systems would change. I cant imagine the world community is ready to take on that much effort. The financial costs would absurd. Those countries that couldn't afford it would be in a fix.

Sheesh, we can't even finish switching over to the metric system--how we gonna implement an entirely new calendar?

I also have an idea. We can read time differently. I have created a series of dots, letters, numbers, exclamation points, and animals that will help us read time easier.

Example: 1:30pm would be ..sw42!23..goose...fj44:

Easy huh?

actually 1.30pm would be 55.42dt, metric time wolud be pretty easy to implement really

as for the calendar:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6835

Can anybody tell me the name and address (phone/fax no/ email ) of the committee or panel who decides about the accptance of new calender system ?

P.J.LAKHAPATE
pjlakhap@bechtel.com

yeah lets do it, lets change the world, maybe if we get enopugh people, just us oin the forum to change our calander, everyone will follow after all, we are the cool nerds!!
I mean i dont leave my computer much but if you guys did i am sure we could start a tread, because that would make us cool tready nerds
cool idea

lets just start with time for now, we can write a proram for a metric clock

I count time in ATU's (Avatar Time Units),
everything befory my this-life is b.a.c.e. (Before Avatar's Current Era).

how does that work?

Well, since my position in timespace continum varies I can not use a time counting system based on full moons, etc, because at one place there may be no moon at all, or be some 15 of them, so 850 carbon-based life cycles ago I thought that I need to count my being in something that is always where I am, that is myself. Because I'm not always carbon based my prime time measuring unit is Avatar Time Unit (as told). An ATU is basically the time it takes for 1 RIGT (or Random Idea Generation Time) to occur in particulary my mind.
The only problem is that it is rather difficult for other entities to accept time measuring in ATU's, and they always annoy me and convert ATU's in moons, many summers, seconds, cesium decay times, etc.

lol @ Gondolin

plakhapate,

Maybe the ISO.
The week-based ISO 8601 system is used in commerce and industry.

Sheesh, we can't even finish switching over to the metric system--how we gonna implement an entirely new calendar?
In England, they have succesfully switched to the metric system.
Now they are trying to switch to drive on the right side of the roads. They are preparing to prepare an experiment where all cars in England will be driven on the right side of the roads. If, after on month, this experiment succeed, they will let trucks and buses drive on the right side of the roads also.

why drive on the right? the left works just fine. despite the avoidance of crashes caused by ignorant americans on the wrong side of the road, there are no advantages, it wolud jsut cost money and during the first few years ther wolud be a limbo state where no-one knows where to go, and crashes are 10x more often

we should have -

10 long months of 36 days each (have a global vote on which 2 monthnames to drop).

5 special days not part of any month, 1 fitted in between evry 2 months. these would be public holidays - the 1st would come before january, and thatd be New Years day. The 2nd special day could be Easter, so we wouldnt have to keep changing its date every year. Thhe 5th special day could be Halloween, and the other 2... we could invent names.

Christmas + Indepndence day would stay inside their months, of course. For leap years, just make the New year holiday 2 days long before starting January.

p.s. possible only in the USA :p

I am quite happy with the current system. Do we really want to have the same date always falling on the same weekday? Boring, in my view. Stay with what we have until tidal forces have slowed us down to another day or two per year.
If you want a serious calendar discussion then have a look at what we will need for Mars.

A discussion about that in Sciforums? A link?

Sorry Avatar, was that question directed to my comment on Martian calendars? If so there is no discussion at present, it just has interesting possibilities. These are explored in some detail in Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy. I think Robert Zubrin also addresses the issue in The Case for Mars.

Oh, ok.
I think that when we will have colonies on other bodies in our star system we (as humanity) should count the time not in years, because that is too local, but in solar orbits. Let's say, one solar orbit around our galaxy is 100 000 units. So we can have a time counting method that is one for all of our solar system. And it can be used in other star systems too.

plakhapate,

At preesent there are 12 months having different days for each month.
Every year we have to see the calender.
Also date and days are different for every month.

Instead of this consider 7 days /week, 4 weeks/month and 13 months/year
This becomes 364 days.
Every year we shoud have holiday as year ending day as extra day.
During leap year we can have extra holiday after year ending day.
Thus 1st of every month will be always on Monday.
Since there are 4 weeks/month, every month will be identical.

That all makes sense.

13th Month can be named as Thirteenember

This . . . not so much. This month could also be called Undecember. The old Roman calendar had ten months and didn't have July or August. This made December the tenth month of the year — hence the name, which translates into "tenth month" ("Decem-" meaning "ten"). "Undecember" would translate to "eleventh month" ("Undecem-" meaning "eleven"). Thus, Undecember would be the theoredical eleventh month of the Roman calendar, and therefore the thirteenth month of this new calendar.

Year Ending Day can be named as YEDAY (Date will be 29th Thirteenember)
Leap Year Day can be named as LEDAY((Date will be 30th Thirteenember)

This seems like an odd naming scheme. I think the Year Ending Day could simply be called Year Day. In the cases of leap years, there could be two Year Days, the first one being called First Year Day, the second Second Year Day.

By using this calender our measuring system becomes very simple.

I'm in total agreement.

Can anybody answer why are we not implementing this ?

The fact that we reckon all time by our current calendar may be a factor. It would be a pain to have to go back to every day in our past and assign a corresponding day from our new calendar. Then we'd hafta recall all history textbooks and print new ones which showed the new dates.

I wonder when ya propose Year One should be. This should be a religion-neutral calendar, so no doing this by Jesus's birthday. Perhaps we could put Year One at the time Sputnik 1 was launched, since that was the first manmade object to have reached outer space (to the best of my knowledge).

Can anybody tell me the name and address (phone/fax no/ email ) of the committee or panel who decides about the accptance of new calender system ?

There really is no such committee. It's not every day a new calendar system is proposed.

Gondolin,

I also have an idea. We can read time differently. I have created a series of dots, letters, numbers, exclamation points, and animals that will help us read time easier.

Example: 1:30pm would be ..sw42!23..goose...fj44:

Easy huh?

. . . What?!

vslayer,

actually 1.30pm would be 55.42dt, metric time wolud be pretty easy to implement really

Is there an existing system for metric time?

Avatar,

Well, since my position in timespace continum varies I can not use a time counting system based on full moons, etc, because at one place there may be no moon at all, or be some 15 of them, so 850 carbon-based life cycles ago I thought that I need to count my being in something that is always where I am, that is myself. Because I'm not always carbon based my prime time measuring unit is Avatar Time Unit (as told). An ATU is basically the time it takes for 1 RIGT (or Random Idea Generation Time) to occur in particulary my mind.
The only problem is that it is rather difficult for other entities to accept time measuring in ATU's, and they always annoy me and convert ATU's in moons, many summers, seconds, cesium decay times, etc.

. . . What?!

I think that when we will have colonies on other bodies in our star system we (as humanity) should count the time not in years, because that is too local, but in solar orbits. Let's say, one solar orbit around our galaxy is 100 000 units.

Ye'r talking about a Cosmic Year. It's one orbit around the Milky Way, which takes 250 million years long.

One 100,000<Sup>th</Sup> of a Cosmic Year &mdash; yer proposed "unit" &mdash; is about 2500 years long. That's longer than two millenia, a unit of time that we never reckon time with anyway. We should make a unit a smaller piece of the Cosmic Year to fix this problem.

So we can have a time counting method that is one for all of our solar system. And it can be used in other star systems too.

I don't see anything wrong with sticking to our Earth calendar. It is, after all, our home planet, and we should keep our ties to the planet, even when we're spread out hundreds of lightyears away from it.

jennyRater,

we should have -

10 long months of 36 days each (have a global vote on which 2 monthnames to drop).

It would make the most sense to drop either January and February, or July and August. January and February kuz . . . well . . . it just happens to work, and it's convenient. July and August kuz those months were additional months to begin with.

But really, any two months could be logically dropped, as long as neither of them are September, October, November, or December. The name of each month translates to "seventh month", "eighth month", "ninth month", and "tenth month", respectively. If we avoided dropping any of the last four months, their names would once again make sense.

5 special days not part of any month, 1 fitted in between evry 2 months. these would be public holidays - the 1st would come before january, and thatd be New Years day.

Sounds kool.

The 2nd special day could be Easter, so we wouldnt have to keep changing its date every year.

That's a decision for the Christian church.

Thhe 5th special day could be Halloween, and the other 2... we could invent names.

Christmas + Indepndence day would stay inside their months, of course. For leap years, just make the New year holiday 2 days long before starting January.

Okay.

if it aint broke, don't fix it.

why drive on the right? the left works just fine. despite the avoidance of crashes caused by ignorant americans on the wrong side of the road, there are no advantages, it wolud jsut cost money and during the first few years ther wolud be a limbo state where no-one knows where to go, and crashes are 10x more often
We drive on the correct side of the road ( the left) because of Napoleon. When he went crashing round europe invading etc, he made every country adopt passing on the left when on horseback. He was left-handed and so would need anybody on that side to effectively be able to attack them with his sword. As he never invaded the UK we never implemented his rule, and as such drive on the left. Not like most of you " johnny forgeiner" types ;)

I wonder when ya propose Year One should be.

If we startd an all new calender, why not re-start the year count as well? THIS could be year 1 - or year 0, if you want to be trendy like new super hero comics...

Ye'r talking about a Cosmic Year. It's one orbit around the Milky Way, which takes 250 million years long.

One 100,000<Sup>th</Sup> of a Cosmic Year &mdash; yer proposed "unit" &mdash; is about 2500 years long. That's longer than two millenia, a unit of time that we never reckon time with anyway.

yeah, thats a bit too longterm. If you want a single yr length to use on all our suns planets, why not go with the sun's spin period (26 days isnt it?) as a month, and just count years as 12 months like we do on earth?

September, October, November, or December. The name of each month translates to "seventh month", "eighth month", "ninth month", and "tenth month", respectively. If we avoided dropping any of the last four months, their names would once again make sense.

I didnt know that! thanks!

That's a decision for the Christian church. now you mentiond it.. if it was to be a world calender, wed have to include festivals from the other big religions too. Do you know any that would fit wih my 5 inter month festival days?

Better ban organized religion altogether! >:)

So you are in favour of disorganised religion?

Not really, I don't favour any of them, but the organised ones are the most harmful because they unite infidel mob into one action and that can be and is dangerous.

if 1 religion did mange to take ove rthe world, like the Muslims wantd to - maybe they still do - then we would all have the same calender before long.

Never mind calling the months by diferent names... Id just hate not having Xmas any more.

We still have Christmas? I thought we had reverted to Saturnalia.

Anyways, why should we even need a new calendar system? The one we have works good since the ancient egyptians invented it. (http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/articles/egyptian-calendar.html)
Although it should be noted that we screwed up the ancient egyptian system, so we have an imprecise calendar now.

note. that wasn't a mere 365 day calendar, it was a 365.25636 day calendar
The difference of 0.00636 day (365.25636 – 365¼ days) for each year requires adding another day every (1/0.00636) 157¼ years, which the Egyptians continued to do until our present times. This is accomplished by adding an extra day every 157, 314, 471, and 629 year cycles.

And it was the Romans who screwed it up so it had to be rescrewed in
the Gregorian calendar was introduced in 1582 CE to correct this error. The Gregorian calendar is still off by about one full day every 3,000 years.
But the mathematicians of the gregorian calendar also were worse mathematicians and astronomers than ancient egyptians,
so we now have a less advanced calendar than the ancient Egypt used.
Talk about progress , eh?

The problem with switching to a new calendar is that future historians will have yet another set of dates to convert. The French Republicans created a new calendar, with Year One being the year of the revolution, every quarter having the same paradigm of months, and months with cute French names like Thermidor and Brumaire. Thankfully it never caught on and France quickly readopted the Julian calendar and eventually the Gregorian.

It's bad enough that China and Israel use their own ancient calendars, and that they aren't even in synch. They don't even celebrate New Year's Day on the same day as we do or as each other. They each claim that their calendar goes back 5,000 years or more and therefore should be respected. But I think in both cases someone invented the calendar more like 3,000 years ago and added 2,000 years to it to make it seem ancient and venerable. When you read a document in Chinese or Hebrew you have to go through an elaborate conversion to find not just the right date but the right year, because they handle Leap Year differently than we do. (Although both peoples often toss in the Gregorian date for our benefit)

The changeover from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian was a nightmare for the whole world. People missed their birthdays. That may seem trivial but most of us wouldn't feel that way if it was our birthday. Important dates like George Washington's birthday had to be recalculated. Not every country could get its government or its people to make the conversion in the same year, some procrastinated for decades, making the modern headache of flying from one time zone into another seem like a trifle.

Remember Y2K? Even though the IT profession rose to the challenge and prevented it from being a catastrophe, it was still a big pain in the ass. That's nothing compared to what a complete calendar changeover would be. Nobody wants to go through that again.

I doubt very much that by the 23rd Century, Star Fleet will even be able to suggest that we switch over to Star Dates, without being booed.

Dont star dates actualy derive from an earth calender like the Gregorian? Going over to them'd be more a nightmre for the other Federation planets than for us..!

What are stardates? How are they calculated?

inertia. We will not be able to switch to a new calendar system until some sort of catastrophic break from our cultural past occurs.

"It is only when you loose everything that you can do anything."

"It is only when you loose everything that you can do anything."

Who said that?

A roughly translated Fight Club movie quote, don't know if it comes from somewhere else directly.
I first encountered the idea in the Dao De Ching, which states that the best way to learn is to be like a child, un-encombered by assumptions.
In this case, a new calendar can't really be adopted unless our culture is forcefully brought back to the level of a child, by dictator, war or natural disaster. The current calendar isn't bad enough for everyone to accept the change willingly.

If we all come together and decide to change the existing system, it can happen.
Should we have public voting for this change ?

P.J.LAKHAPATE

In England, they have succesfully switched to the metric system.
Now they are trying to switch to drive on the right side of the roads. They are preparing to prepare an experiment where all cars in England will be driven on the right side of the roads. If, after on month, this experiment succeed, they will let trucks and buses drive on the right side of the roads also.
What, nobody else laughed at 1100f's joke? I thought it was funny....

We're pretty damn lucky in fact, despite all the differences in different calendrical systems employed by various different religions, that the whole rest of the world has consented to utilise a system that originated in Europe only relatively recently. Islamic countries even put the CE date on their coins alongside the Mohammedan date. Expecting everybody in the world to convert to a new system is utter fantasy, I'm afraid. And as has been sensibly pointed out, the computer programming involved would be quite prohibitive. (As a computer programmer, I wasn't expecting the world-wide catastrophe predicted for Y2K because really that wasn't such a big deal to change.)

J.R.R. Tolkien invented a new 12 month calendar that eliminated the need for week day names, since the calendar was synchronised so that each date was on the same day each year.

Each month had 30 days, for 360 days of the year. In addition, the day before New Years Day was called ForeYule and New Year's Day was called Yule. Midsummers's day (or Mid-Year's day) was called Lithe and the days preceding and succeeding were Forelithe and Afterlithe. These five extra days were outside the months, so that "December" 30 was the day before Foreyule, and "January" 1st was the day after Yule. In leap years there is an extra day's holiday at Lithe, also outside the months.

How about a metric Calendar? We could switch to a metric clock at the same time. There could be 10 months in a year, 100 days in a year, 10 days in a month, 10 hours in a day, 100 minutes in an hour, 100 seconds in a minute etc.

All of those except the year - which is fixed and still of considerable importance in our technological world. The position of the Earth around the Sun affects the climate in diffferent ways, and it always takes 365.2422 solar days to move around one orbit.

i can take or leave systematizing months. but the real prob is with the length of the week. i'm for the 4-day werk-week and the 3-day weekend. or vice-versa, of course.

i can take or leave systematizing months. but the real prob is with the length of the week. i'm for the 4-day werk-week and the 3-day weekend. or vice-versa, of course.
Well, weekends aren't a technichal part of the calendar; they're laid ontop in a way that makes them easy to change.
If the US gov't decided to make the full-time work week only 32 hours long, then you'd have your 3-day weekend.

I'd vote for it.

riv-wind....

you're right , though i don't think the gov would go for it, least this current bunch.

beside trimming the hours , i did think changing the number of days per week.

can i offer the new model 8-day week, with four 6-hour work days and four week-end days...

The real question is why we want everything to be base 10. I mean, it was fine when we were learning to count: five fingers on each hand and then start over. But the number scales we're dealing with now might be much easier if we dealt in say base 8 (that's a random number I threw out there). Does anyone know the base that would fit our solar orbit best?

ok if we would make the extra days ( or the less days w/e) we could just add / remove hours from the "normal" earth day i rly think we should use star dates but i liek his idea to if there was a public voting id vote for it. Ill even help wit hsoem of the nameing who ever made this thread PM me or tlak to me on aim or msn ( Xriku124X AIM) (riku_124@hotmail.com msn messanger / email)