Why Have Governments...?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by dkb218, Sep 13, 2005.

  1. dkb218 Banned Banned

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    I agree with the idea the people should be accountable for themselves, however, if the shit were to hit the fan and I had NOTHING to live on, I'd want help from my government.

    I hear too many people saying "They should have left, they knew the hurricane was a' comin! Phuck 'em, why should the government help them?"

    What the fuck is the government there for in the first place? To help themselves? Take my tax dollars and start wars? Give it the rich while the poor get poorer?

    All you who've said that the government shouldn't be helping the poor and needy, those left with no homes - what is the reason for government in the first place if not to help it's needy? You seem to have no frickin problem with some billionaire getting welfare. Why not the small fry? [Youse sheep have been hypnotize by the corporate media! Brains so fucked up you think the rich should have more money while people starve to death in the streets!]
     
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  3. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, six thousand years of reality just slugged you right in the face, huh?
     
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  5. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Government is there mainly as a framework that society can be built around. It keeps things stable enough to keep chaos from reigning supreme and to allow things like free trade and the like. It also takes care of things that corperations and private citizens don't have the resources to do on a large scale, like keep up national infrastructure and a standing military.

    Do you really think any other country could have taken this hurricane better? If it slammed into Europe, whole nations would be broken and twisted ruins that would take decades to rebuild. Europe is just lucky it gets some of the planet's most mild weather.
     
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  7. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    If you want to know what governments are for ....begin small and work your way up.

    In a one-man cave, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

    In a two-man cave, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

    In a family of husband, wife and two children, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

    In a tribe of ten families, is there any government? If so, what? And is it needed?

    Keep going like that until you've figured it out to YOUR satisfaction.

    Personally, I think governments should pay us all just to live, breathe, eat and play! We shouldn't be responsible for any of our actions and the government should give us everything that we want ...regardless of what it costs or how difficult it is to obtain!

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  8. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    If you can net us enough slave labor, its quite possible.
     
  9. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    What textbooks are they feeding you children nowadays? Are you serious? It's the exact opposite. Government is there, according to the constitution, to represent society. Ever heard of "By the People, For the People?" To do the jobs that society wants it to do. Not "as a framework that society can be built around." Get a clue.
     
  10. radicand Registered Senior Member

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    Read the Declaration of Independence it provides the best example of the purpose of government; too bad most fail to grasp its concept!!!







     
  11. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The Constitution of the Russian Federation

    Ratified
    December 12, 1993


    Preamble
    We, the multinational people of the Russian Federation, united by a common destiny on our land, asserting human rights and liberties, civil peace and accord, preserving the historic unity of the state, proceeding from the commonly recognized principles of equality and self-determination of the peoples honoring the memory of our ancestors, who have passed on to us love of and respect for our homeland and faith in good and justice, reviving the sovereign statehood of Russia and asserting its immutable democratic foundations, striving to secure the wellbeing and prosperity of Russia and proceeding from a sense of responsibility for our homeland before the present and future generations, and being aware of ourselves as part of the world community, hereby approve the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

    SECTION ONE
    Chapter 1. The Fundamentals of the Constitutional System
    Chapter 2. The Rights and Liberties of Man and Citizen
    Chapter 3. The Russian Federation
    Chapter 4. The President of the Russian Federation
    Chapter 5. The Federal Assembly
    Chapter 6. The Government of the Russian Federation
    Chapter 7. The Judiciary
    Chapter 8. Local Self-Government
    Chapter 9. Constitutional Amendments and Revisions
    SECTION TWO
    Concluding and Transitional Provisions
     
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  12. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    jesus, that was almost a thread killer CT.
     
  13. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Firstly, a government for the purpose of representing the society was pretty rare until the American Revolution. Monarchies, dictatorships, and most other forms have society existing purely for the purpose of serving the leaders in their every whim. Representative democracies represent the people in addition to, not to the exclusion of, being a framework for society to build up from.

    Government must exist for people in any sizeable number to be able to live and work together. Even if you break down nations, every village will have its elder and every tribe its chieftan. Things tend to split into lots of gangs or local warlords to fill the power vacuum but it is always filled. There is just usually one hell of a lot of chaos while things work themselves out, usually ranging between months and decades.

    And cosmictraveler: You have been here more than long enough to know that you should post a link and not the entire effing document.
     
  14. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    Finally, a little passion.
     
  15. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Good point.

    Lazy bum!

    Yaba Daba :m:
     
  16. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    The government should be taken down, dismantled, dissolved, and new one put in it's place. Our democracy has failed us.
    As the good song goes:
    "Fuck the Po-lice! Fuck the po-lice!"
     
  17. Giskard brainious maximus Registered Senior Member

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    It should now be clear that those that stayed behind had neither the means nor the inclination to take care of themselves. They have been lead down the welfare/socialism path for decades by the liberal left. When it came time to save their own lives and the lives of their families, they were incapable. They simply waited and waited for "someone" to help them just as they have all their lives. It is clear evidence that capitalism, free enterprise, ownership of property and the desire to take personal responsibility for ones actions is what enabled others to save themselves.
    You reap what your sow, and this Country has allowed the liberal left to sow the seeds of self destruction in our inner cities and among the poor.
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    No, democracy didn't fail anyone ....we failed to make democracy work.

    As to the "police chant" ....next time you need some help, call a hippie or a ghetto pimp to help you and see how much you get!

    Baron Max
     
  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Good post, Giskard .....I hope many read it and think about it seriously. But I'm afraid that the very things you said is the reason that most won't read it OR take it seriously.

    Baron Max
     
  20. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Yes and no. It is well known amongst psychologists that people who are raised in dysfunctional households throughout their childhood cannot function properly in society. For that reason, they are found to be helpless within the capitalist system, which requires people to be knowledgable and psychologically healthy. Those who are raised in unhealthy households are bound to become criminals or fall into the welfare system, as they are incapable of functioning properly. If enough was invested in incorporating parenting and psychology within the school system, particularly high school, then we would see a noticeble difference in the number of poor people and criminals.
     
  21. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    That's bullshit! Even psychologists (those who speak in "Psycho-Babble"!) don't agree with that pronouncement! There are many, many instances of children from dysfunctional families go on to perfectly "normal" lives.

    I'd also think that many psychologist could/would find that many "normal" families had SOME degree of "dysfunctionality" in it.

    Baron Max
     
  22. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Eh. Same thing to me. Doesn't work. Switch it for something that does.

    Bitch, I help my own self out. It's called fists, motherfucker.
     
  23. Cottontop3000 Death Beckoned Registered Senior Member

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    "Well, I don't know why I came here tonight;
    I got the feeling that something ain't right.
    I'm so scared in case I fall off my chair;
    And I'm wondering how I'll get down the stairs.

    Clowns to the left of me;
    Jokers to the right.
    Here I am,
    Stuck in the middle with you."

    -Pulp Fiction soundtrack.
     

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