It's one thing to have faith in your religion, but it's another thing to blatantly lie to make your point. Why not just admit it? Why lie about it?

i think we should stop picking on sandy (Q) :p

If you believe it, is it a lie?

orleander, i think he means when they lie about religious texts, hes asking why cant they admit - "i don't know, but i have faith in this nonetheless - why do they try to justify themselves - its almost exactly the opposite of what jesus did

all part of the grand delusion and deliberate campaign of dishonesty and lies.

i think we should stop picking on sandy (Q) :p

Who said anything about sandy?

Almost every single theist here lies about one thing or another to make their points. I'm wondering why it's so easy for them to lie?

cause theres no fact in the first place? because they have such a passion? for example would you harbour your wife if she was a murderer or fraudster?

Why do Theists Lie and why do they Hide?


S.A.M.:
I would love for their committee on virtue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Propagation_of_Virtue_and_the_Pr evention_of_Vice)or whatever the BS wahabi group that keeps the people under their oppression to be shut down. :bugeye:


abu_afak:
Is this proclaiming, however Marginally, Your 'moderate' credentials on Islam?

You conspicuously did not answer all the Meat' in this ("Wanted: a Muslim Reformation') string:
The Title post and it's differentiating of Islam from other religions in piety and in Today's world (1)... and my post/Manji, that even Moderate Muslims are Literalists. (2)

Do YOU believe the Koran is literally true? (2b)

You stated your stance on abortion previously (islamic), but are you also like Most Muslims, Literalist, and a Creationist (vs Evolutionist)? (3)

Numbered for easy but Non-evasive Reply.
(Other Muslims welcome to respond with their views as well)


To which, S.AM. will not answer, and clearly ducks, after many attempts here http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=73035 and page two http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1600509#post1600509
My guess is This Theist is Very Theist; Fundamentalist/Literalist and doesn't want to share that piece of Madrassah.
Could it be the Moderator of the 'Biology & genetics' section is a Creationist!?!?

It's one thing to have faith in your religion, but it's another thing to blatantly lie to make your point. Why not just admit it? Why lie about it?
I'm not sure what you are talking about. I don't read all the posts here. Can you give an example or explain your question a little further?

Is it a lie to claim something is "true" based on faith? With no objective and conclusive evidence to support your claim? I think it is. But the religious lie is so ingrained in most people, they don't give it a second thought.

If an insurance company or used car saleman made claims at the same level theists do, they'd be out of business because nobody would believe them except the extremely gullable.

It's one thing to have faith in your religion, but it's another thing to blatantly lie to make your point. Why not just admit it? Why lie about it?

ROFL, you're talking about yourself, atheists lie the most out of everyone they try to trick and decieve everyone all the time...

Look at all the atheistic lies and propaganda....

"Everyone's born an athiest"
"There's a such thing as an agnostic atheist"
"Stalin wasn't an atheist, its a hoax"
"Lack of evidence when evidence shouldn't be present indicates non-existence"
"Flying Spaghetti Monster = God"

Atheists will lie and decieve others and try anything to trick someone into believing their false propaganda

Look at all the atheistic lies and propaganda....

"Everyone's born an athiest"

This is true. Why do you lie about it?

"There's a such thing as an agnostic atheist"
Maybe. Sounds like semantic trivialities to me, not lying.

"Stalin wasn't an atheist, its a hoax"
Who says that? Was he? I don't know or give a crap.

"Lack of evidence when evidence shouldn't be present indicates non-existence"
Huh? What kind of a ststement is that? In what situation other than the self-supporting delusion of religion does that ever occurr? Of course there's no possible evidence for god. Why? There is no god. I can't prove that, but that just leaves it on the same footing as the FSM. Oh, wait...

"Flying Spaghetti Monster = God"
As good as any god ever proposed. I.e. as useless a concept.

Atheists will lie and decieve others and try anything to trick someone into believing their false propaganda
Which encompasses all of the above I suppose? None of which is a lie, just simple factual observations?

You lose VO.

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/92/47/22964792.jpg

This is true. Why do you lie about it?

No it's not, you delusional liar

Last time I checked, everyone's born neither believing nor disbelieving in God at birth

Checkmate!!


Maybe. Sounds like semantic trivialities to me, not lying.
No it's lying done in order to preserve the atheistic faith, you can't be both at the same time


Who says that? Was he? I don't know or give a crap.
Yes he was an atheist, but atheists can't handle that, so they pretend it's not true


Huh? What kind of a ststement is that? In what situation other than the self-supporting delusion of religion does that ever occurr? Of course there's no possible evidence for god. Why? There is no god. I can't prove that, but that just leaves it on the same footing as the FSM. Oh, wait...
Thanks for the re-confirmation, you delusiona liar

You used another lie to justify a lie, the fact that something is unverifiable doesn't indicate that it's false, for instance the existence of quarks was unverifiable for the majority of human history, using your delusional atheistic propaganda you would've said "well no one can gather evidence, there's no shred of evidence, no one can prove quarks exist, so that means quarks must not exist"

ROFL


As good as any god ever proposed. I.e. as useless a concept.
Yet another delusional lie, can you tell me why you enjoy lieing for? Oh wait, that's right you're an atheist

Two different things with innumerably different attributes, characteristics, properties, etc...are NOT EQUAL you deluded atheist


Which encompasses all of the above I suppose? None of which is a lie, just simple factual observations?

You lose VO.
No all are lies, atheists enjoy lieing, its great to delude someone into believing your false propaganda

Checkmate
http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/92/47/22964792.jpg

It's one thing to have faith in your religion, but it's another thing to blatantly lie to make your point. Why not just admit it? Why lie about it?

In order for this thread to remain open, perhaps you might care to give examples. The premise is a hasty generalization without specific examples since it can easily be said that all people lie to make points, thus this is a feature of humanity rather than theocracy.

In order for this thread to remain open, perhaps you might care to give examples. The premise is a hasty generalization without specific examples since it can easily be said that all people lie to make points, thus this is a feature of humanity rather than theocracy.

My "Why are atheists fools?" thread had examples but you had to lock it due to your great atheistic faith

Your bias is wide open NAKED

In order for this thread to remain open, perhaps you might care to give examples. The premise is a hasty generalization without specific examples since it can easily be said that all people lie to make points, thus this is a feature of humanity rather than theocracy.

Forget it, I'll save you the trouble.