Hello:May somebody answer this question...

Why the israeli´s run from one place to another since long time ago?

WHAT THEY DID?

And why do people not like africans, and why do they generalize and label muslims, and why do they make fun of Jehova wittnesses and mormons, and why do the poor hate republicans and the rich hate democracy...... why why why???

Because noone is minding their own business.....and would rather make other people business their own.

There are two ways of tackeling a problem:
1- Concentrate on self and excel forward
2- Concentrate on your enemy and try to stop it.

Sometimes, the whole world seems to follow number 2 when tackling a problem.

it appears they killed the christian god

;)

Hola Flores:You didn´t answer the question so you are not "concentrate" in what i ask,and with this you show you don´t understand what is going on.
But i can tell you why "A FEW" people don´t like africans,because they´re originally

naturals from this planet Earth and "somebody" want since long time they

disapear because this "one" want to be the owner and globalizate the

planet with his own race(do you imagine who i´m talking about)the only place where still a little of this hate what are you talking about is in U.S., and you know the states?,
Also they´re and more connected with this planet ,than the white race and,and ,and

About muslims,also somebody want to exterminate them,do you know who i´m talking about?(don´t forget what Spain,U.K,U.S made a few days ago and before if you know little of history)

About poor people to republicans you sound like a northamerican citizen,I don´t bilieve that is poor people in U.S than where i´m from.

And i can tell you that you are wrong because rich like democracy and you don´t see that.

So PLEASE i would like somebody answer the question.
Muchas gracias

Too bad my spanish is not as good as yours, my arabic is excellent though.

I answered you quite clearly, it seems that you are overdue at the ear doctor for wax removal....

The reason people don't like jews, because people don't mind their own business and they are lazy to be critically of themselves. People look for scapegoats to hang their propblems on so they feel good about themselves.

That's the best answer you will get out of this thread and I'm willing to put a bet on it.....Not the longest answer, but the best one.

Hola Spookz:In the rigth moment i was written you send message.Also is

what i heard somewhere.But this one told me the Kain (jewish)they KILL with

STONES to María...

Do you know something else?, because is very interesting to know

Than you Spookz....

it appears they steal gentile babies for hideous sacrificial rituals

Spookz

Elaine Pagels' The Origin of Satan is an excellent book that includes historical examinations of the context of the Bible, and alludes to, if not downright suggests (I don't feel like looking up a page number) that the events surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus are, in fact, a concession to the Roman authority. The tragic result, of course, being that "the Jews killed Jesus" evaporates as a myth upon which so much bad sentiment has been staked.

IRDÍN

Take the normal nationalisms, ethnic hatreds, and outright racisms of the world and throw in there a heap of religious fervor.

Most reasons for general dislike of Jews are either broad applications of narrow stereotypes, projections of individual conflicts onto other people, and also a series of events in history that are somewhat circular.

To this point I look back to Hitler's talk of Jewish dominance of money. After all, the Jews and their money continue to be a stereotype of comic tragedy.

Because it is true, to a certain degree, that for a population of 13.5 million worldwide, Jews have an awful lot of influence in the United States. The television conspiracy? Heck, NBC was in New York. There were a lot of Jews in New York. Hasids, at least, have a rich storytelling tradition that I would imagine bleeds influence into other forms of Judaism. To me, it seemed natural that a lot of Jewish writers would be hired; plus, they weren't Catholic at a time when anti-Catholicism was problematic in the US. But "Yiddish mama" jokes look an awful lot like Irish-Catholic mother jokes in a certain form. Cuffing the head, twisting the ear, outrageous and histrionic outbursts of maternal authority ... it almost makes market sense, though I haven't analyzed the old market that deeply.

And the Hollywood conspiracy? Yes, there were a lot of Jews willing to loan money to finance, but the stereotype of Jews and money goes way back, and it was in the context of Hitler that a history professor once made the observation: Of course Jews had money. If you don't let a people own property, they have to find some way to survive. About the only thing they were allowed to own in certain times in Europe was money itself.

And now a bunch of people complain about the results. I hope I never hear the parent of a junior beauty-pageant queen make a crack about a Jew raising their kid to become an accountant. What? With the crap on American TV these days, it's bound to happen someday.

I was, for instance, surprised to find out that the reason we have a Rothschild liquor made in the Pacific Northwest has something to do with a Rothschild that took part in 19th and early-20th century labor and shipping issues in the region. It's not worth dragging up a page citation, as the book is a history of labor in Seattle written by ILWU (a labor union), but it is in fact a source of comfort that we have so few Rothschild conspiracists in the area. Perhaps having a Rothschild who was no better or worse than his EuroChristian neighbors dispelled a bunch of the Rothschild-related flak that I never really heard much about until I was on the web.

I admit, one of my favorite bigot jokes is, What do you call a Jewish dilemma? Free ham." It's more civil than my favorite anti-black bigot joke (Why can't little black kids play in the sandbox), but when we stop and think that two-thousand years after the Christians started climbing the power ranks with a slanderous ladder of anti-Judaism, I always hoped that people would have gotten past kosher, money, and nose jokes. (Why do Jews have large noses? Because air is free.)

(In history, when the Devil is painted with a long, crooked nose, it's because the painter or patron had some problem about Jews. It's a recurring theme; cf. Burton, J.R. Lucifer: The Devil in the Middle Ages. Ithaca: Cornell, 1984.)

But after two millennia, you'd think the bigots could get better material.

I remember as a child, reading Judy Blume's Blubber, and even the infamous (among boys of my time) Are You There God ...? and I can't say that the Jews who appeared among the dramatis personae seemed particularly different than my own family and culture. And I can't say that my living experience has been any different than that.

I personally don't get it. In the modern day, you can no longer presume someone Jewish based on their name, and as far as appearances go I keep waiting for the dark-skinned Jew to get beaten in the US for being Muslim (hey, a Sikh cabbie was beaten in Seattle shortly after 9/11 for the "crime" of being Muslim ... it could happen).

I think anti-Judaic sentiments are a unique crossroads of ethnic and religious turmoil.

In the US, whites of different national ethnicity get along, go to the same churches. Heck, despite our treatment of the Mexicans in this country, they still have it reasonably good for being Catholic. Much like the Jews, look at Americans in another crossroads of ethnicity and religion: We wiped out 95% of the indigenous American population and tried to herd the rest onto "reservations".

"Ethnic cleansing" alleged (and proven) in the long post-Yugoslavia mess again demonstrates the peculiar crossroads of ethnicity and religion. (I can't figure Rwanda; not to say that "they all look alike to me", but there's obviously something I'm missing about the difference between Hutus and Tutsis.)

And you'll notice that, despite all else, aside from greedy commercial policy amid a blight, the Irish-British situation never really got tremendously out of hand in the sense that I don't recall Britain, in the last few centuries at least, rolling through Ireland laying waste to whole villages of Catholics. There might be something that I missed, but it seems you have to go back a little way in history to find such atrocities. Of course, everybody in that conflict was generally white and vaguely related to one another in the long picture.

But it's a combination of ethnic and religious distress; ethnicity compels bad sentiment for stupid reasons, and religion seems to license action.

Or something like that.

Note on Edit: Obviously I need to smoke more dope today; sorry, I completely forgot about the actual context of the topic question.

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Tiassa :cool:

Hola Tiassa:You know what?I didn´t understand what do you want to say?May be because i´m from the third world.May you help me and make a resume please
Gracias

Irdin : Why the israeli´s run from one place to another since long time ago?

This question is not a logical one , it could be but I am sure you didnt mean it that specific way .

You see there is no Israeli people since long time ago . I am sure you mean the Jewish people , but there is not 1 Jewish people from long time ago either , there are multiple Jewish tribes and I am not speaking about the 12 tribes of the Hebrew Israelites . A people of Judaism can be considered one in certain cultural and religious cases , but not as one nation or one race or one people , their problems arent of the same kind .

As far as the Israeli's go , they just exist 55 years , thats not a long time ago .

I think each conflict with each peoples that practiced Judaism in one form or the other , is related much more likely than to social or political problems , rather than religious , but religion did play its role with for instance the Spanish Inquisition .

The conflicts the Israeli have , are rather political and not religious , after all it is their conflict with the religion of Judaism that has started their anti-semitic philosophy zionism .

But i can tell you why "A FEW" people don´t like africans,because they´re originally
naturals from this planet Earth and "somebody" want since long time they
disapear because this "one" want to be the owner and globalizate the
planet with his own race(do you imagine who i´m talking about)


The western Europeans perhaps ? It is correct that the origins of mankind have been pushed away a long time ago , as it could never have been accepted by the racist intellectuals that their beloved white man developped from what they considered to be of low value , lets not even bring in the civilized aspects of the entire matter .

Yk-sZ

Hola YitzhaKShimshelevitZ:Thanks for answer.But is normal that people who don´t understand what is going on they can think that what i write is going with the racism or etnias.So i don´t want to go too much out of the context of the question.I have a lot of israeli friends who also they share this:They´re tired of the way how the israeli o jewish treat to the rest of the people.How clever they think they´re bringing and changing a lot of traditional costumbres,how they continue manipulating the feelings of the people bringin them in the language of the money,how they use their sense of humor to make feel bad to other people.And many more things that are more dangerous and i don´t want to go right now inside that.So israeli jewish Kain are same genetic family and what are they waiting for change?Anyway what did they hide since long time ago that don´t help the situation of human beings?
Look! my friends ,I´m tired to listen lies and excuses. i grow in one place where still 23 indigenas nations.And i saw how this kind of people came and buy lands how they still making for cut trees for money.So what?is not this another kind of exterminetion.May be you don´t see that cos you live in the flat and thenyou go to the supermarket,but for aborígenes the supermarket is the forest and if it´s no more forest do you imagine what they have to do?Do this israelis do not help to mutate the ecosistem of humans?

"Why the israeli´s run from one place to another since long time ago?

WHAT THEY DID?"

What they did was prove, over perhaps 200 years, to be very inadiquate subjects of Rome, a real pain in the ass. Rome finally decided to do away with the provence/state of Isreal and, in doing so, renamed the province Palistine, making all of it's inhabitants "Palistinian".
Many of the Jews then found thier treatment as Palistinians intolerable and fled Palistine to England, Spain, Gemany, Poland and Central Europe in general.
Some of these lands at times baned the Jews, forcing them to move on again. Then came the 20th century...

Hola SuperFudd:Do you bilieve that the story start from that time,really?

Many of the Jews then found thier treatment as Palistinians intolerable and fled Palistine to England, Spain, Gemany, Poland and Central Europe in general.

But the Jews then again were kicked out of all those areas, firstly by England. They were all pretty much pushed into Germany,Poland, Russia, Hungary, etc. So the Jews have indeed "fled", or have been kicked out amany a time. Then the Progroms in Russia, fleeing to the US. But not all Russian jews were from the west, many were Khazari's, or the 13th tribe in my view.

yes irdin ,superfudd is right
but he forgot to say what happenend during rome and 20th century !
the jews were in whole europe ,and because nobody liked them (don´t ask me why ) ,they were forbidden to do the "good" jobs.
So much of these jews became money-traders and such stuff.
then ,later , they became bankers and the people hated them much for this .They used phrases like : "i want to be rich like a jew" !
because of hitlers dream ,they have now their own country (ironic ,isn´t it? ) , but you see what trouble it makes
hitler is the creator of this massive problem that we now have ,nobody else

"Hola SuperFudd you bilieve that the story start from that time,really?"

No.

It may have started earlier. They were invited to leave Egypt;)
They seem to have a thing about being subjugated.

So let me tell you something that say the bible writen in hebrew but with a good traslation:Only 3.300 years ago,before the jews entered to de Promised Land,a staff of 12 persons was sent by Moses to investigate the Land.When they returned they reported:the Land is very good,but the inhabitants of the Land are very strong.
Now the text of the Bible says:..."All the people we saw are men of great size.We saw the giants there-the Anaquites-the offsprings of the beigns fallen from the sky.And we looked like grasshoppers ourselves and so we must have looked to them". Numbers XIII,32-33.What also the traslation in hebrew have a mistake in two importants words mencinate as the same word.And this changed a lot of things....

hey irdin ,a lot of people misunderstood (sometimes interpreted to their needs ;) )
what i learned from this post is that the jews had no own country ;they were looking for a country that they can occupy !!

They learn how to occupy in a lot of dimensions.From country till persons...
About interpretations the Bible was written in a lot of lenguages but some where hiden till this days.Now is the time to compare and find out the diferences

Why a lot of people don't like the Jews? easy ... we fear and often hate what we don't know, it seems to be built in us, not just humans but most animals seem to have similar programing in this respect.

When I was a kid my school shared a field with another school and we were bitter rivals, us against them. I realized that was also the case with the different parts of my town. East vs west, south vs north .. etc. The province I live in has two major cities, guess what ... yup, rivals. My province is in the west and we are rivals with the east. My country borders 1 other country and suprise, suprise more rivalry.

Humans seem to basically fear anyone that can be called "them". We seem to need to be able to point at someone, on the other side of town or the planet, and say "it's them, they're the problem!". Its easier to blame the "them" for our problems than to look within. Politics seems to be built on this idea. Ironically this seems to prove that basically we're all the same beneath it all because this blame passing tendency is universal from what i can tell.

My province is in the west and we are rivals with the east. My country borders 1 other country and suprise, suprise more rivalry.

Where are you from Winnipeg, ohh it's them again LOL

Originally posted by spookz
it appears they killed the christian god

;)

That's the primary cause of the Christian/European hate of the Jews.

Another stems from the fact that for the Christians it was immoral to charge interest for money lent, thus European Jews became bankers and the like, and the image that they are shisters and greedy and so forth stuck.

The arabic hate is, I think, essentially a property dispute. That is, Israel was formed artificially after WWII by the UN. Ultimately, this gave rise to a dispute over Jerusalem, the most religious city for all three monolitic religions. I think the third holiest mosque in Islam is suppose to be there.

The form of hate prior to the Romans and Christ is just old fashion "gosh they're an odd bunch, being so reverent".

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You said - "Where are you from Winnipeg, ohh it's them again LOL"

nope, Im from Saskatchewan the land of the flat.


I guess the point i was trying to make was the question is not "why alot of people dont like the Jewish" thats just a symptom of a larger problem. How do we address fear and hate generally? Every culture is guilty of this. Some people dont like the Jewish, some Jewish don't like the Arabs, some Canadians don't like Americans, some Americans don't like the Mexicans and so on and so on. I think it would be more benificial to address this larger tendancy because its something all cultures share.

Listen everybody answer very nice things but just a few are concrete with the question.Since long time somebody teach to the white people to forget about the things and continue repeating the mistakes.Why is more dificult learn about what is wrong, for do not repeat it again.The real friends speak and tell what they feel is wrong between them, for evolution,they don´t shut up.So please don´t bring answers what want to show the"inocense of israeli propaganda ",that we know since long time.If israelis are so good so nice so poor victims ,why they still fighting in the year 2003.Come on!!!war people stop one time.you have all your sons and daughters allready acomodated everywhere.
The young generations don´t want any more agretions of any kind.If your nuclear Einstens still making stranges experiments,for what?You, little jewish o israeli o...why you still shut up?Ah! because is not good bussines.
Come on!!!WAKE UP open your heart. if you throw the first stone and then you hide your hand,is that right?Why you don´t think before you done it?And if it was a child mistake ,solearn for do not do it again.

I repeat again I have a lot of good new generation israelis who also they see the problem and they try to work on it (they say is very hard)but they try.They´re just a few.This for the next generations it will be good.

I gather your angry at the israelis but i couldn't really understand the rest.

did i said i´m angry with them?And also i do not hate them.what i said is very clear i that i don´t like the way how they are to the rest of the people what are no jewish o israeli o how you like to call them.So please don´t make opinion of psichologist.You mention the word angry,which patterns you have to say this?Did i hurt you?If i did it i´m very sorry.Just i want to listen something of true.

Other thing i forgot to write "friends" to this part of the text..."I repeat again I have a lot of good ..(here).......,new generation of israelis who also they see the problem and they try to work on it (they say is very hard)but they try.They´re just a few.This for the next" .....

And what you didn´t understand yet?

Originally posted by IRDÍN
Hello:May somebody answer this question...

Why the israeli´s run from one place to another since long time ago?

WHAT THEY DID?

The reason People dont like jews is bcause Jews are evil by nature, not all of them but most of them.

regarding the fact that they killed Jesus ( making christians hating the jews is not the only reason ).

As arabs, we dont like the jews too, not because they are jews, but because they STOLE our land, KILLED and keep killing our people on daily basis.....so they are hated because of their evil deeds.

Originally posted by WasiGermany
hey irdin ,a lot of people misunderstood (sometimes interpreted to their needs ;) )
what i learned from this post is that the jews had no own country ;they were looking for a country that they can occupy !!

POOR GERMANS: the jews keep sucking your money UNTIL now, 50 years after the HOLOHOAX and your generation and the young german generation who has nothing to do with the HOLOHOAX are still paying for the greedy jews !!!

The jews got such power that if you deny God, then it is fine, but if your deny the HOLOHOAX, then the hell will break lose and you will end up behind bars.....DISGUSTING ISN'T ???

Nothing is really disgusting but you......Shallow as a river in the middle of the summer. Even god wasn't that harsh on them, so why do you hate so much what god showed compassion toward.


The Cow
[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

You call them evil, they call you evil ... do you really not see how pointless it is? Your attitude only ensures the sorrow of your chilren and grandchildren ... but hey, as long as your right! it makes the endless misery and destruction worth it. Whats a few hundred more years of war gonna hurt? especially since its been so successful thus far.

Make up and play nice.

Hola proud Syrian:I sugest we don´t have to use too much the word evil.But i understand very well what do you mean.Old Sumerian texts said this :"the Nephilim came from Nibiru to this planet with the intention of take Gold for stabilize the atmosphere of Nibiru.So first they had to ask to the highest consciousness who are the Zetazees(whales and dolphins), who have been here long time before and had come from Oceana in the Sirius system.The Nephilim after a time here in this planet they decided to create a race to work for them,that could not reproduce themselfs.





Now the text of the Bible says:..."All the people we saw are men of great size.We saw the giants there-the Anaquites-the offsprings of the beigns fallen from the sky.And we looked like grasshoppers ourselves and so we must have looked to them". Numbers XIII,32-33.What also the traslation in hebrew have a mistake in two importants words mention as the same word.And this changed a lot of things....

Flores Spanish name who doesn´t know spanish.I hope that you put water to your flowers(it´s just a joke don´t feel bad).It´s true that they´re still sucking money from Germany and a few months before they wanted more ,so young german generations are still working for them do you think is that right?Germany was totally destroyed,by U.S,U.K.,and the germans built up again by themselves,why young generations still have to pay?

The whole world is festering with unhappy souls.
The French hate the Gemans, the Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch,
And I don't like anybody very much.;)

But we can be thankful and tranquil and proud
For man's been endowed with a mushroom shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lucky day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blown away! :(

Irdin,

you first said:

Quote - "So israeli jewish Kain are same genetic family and what are they waiting for change?Anyway what did they hide since long time ago that don´t help the situation of human beings?
Look! my friends ,I´m tired to listen lies and excuses. i grow in one place where still 23 indigenas nations.And i saw how this kind of people came and buy lands how they still making for cut trees for money.So what?is not this another kind of exterminetion.May be you don´t see that cos you live in the flat and thenyou go to the supermarket,but for aborígenes the supermarket is the forest and if it´s no more forest do you imagine what they have to do?Do this israelis do not help to mutate the ecosistem of humans?"

you then said:

Quote - "did i said i´m angry with them?"

true, you did not, specifically, say you're angry with the israelis but what else can i assume from what you said?

I should add i am a mere outsider to this conflict, Im just a bit tired of people who offer no remedies to the problem. Just a lot of finger pointing.

So,then buffys:Is clear that i´m not angry with them,just i explain what they still doing.Maybe for you is not clear what is, EXCHANGE NATURE FOR MONEY.

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...."i grow in one place where still 23 indigenas nations.And i saw how this kind of people (the jewish)came and buy lands, how they still making for cut trees for money.So what?is not this another kind of exterminetion.May be you don´t see that cos you live in the flat and thenyou go to the supermarket,but for aborígenes the supermarket is the forest and if it´s no more forest do you imagine what they have to do?Do this israelis do not help to mutate the ecosistem of humans?"
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Buffys said:
I should add i am a mere outsider to this conflict, Im just a bit tired of people who offer no remedies to the problem. Just a lot of finger pointing.
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Who shut up about what they do,don´t love them.When you say the things how it happens,you help them to see other point of view.

Look,the only remedy is change the D.N.A. and no only of the jewish also of all the ones who like exchange money for life.But is clear that jewish make promotion of "HOW GOOD IS THE MONEY"since long time, and teach this to all kind of cultures.
(one example:All what they grow in their land is trangenic,for make money)May be they want one plastic planet.
So i said before,... " israeli jewish Kain are same genetic family and what are they waiting for change?YES,WAITNG FOR CHANGE. They can´t because they ´re blind about themselfs.They need Help, but not MONEY help how they LIKE.


i´m not jugde them just i say what i see.......

IRDÍN,

So are you saying that if the rolls were reversed you'd do better? From what i can tell evil isn't in the genetics, the powerful tend to tread on the weak. Its a pretty broad human failure, in my experience that tendency is definitely not confined to one culture.



I (only an outsider) think the question is how do you solve a conflict when both sides are wrong AND both sides are right?

just a couple thoughts.

Originally posted by IRDÍN
Flores Spanish name who doesn´t know spanish.

I'm picky about who I speak spanish with.....I respect and honor cultures and languages and will only use them correctly under the correct circumstances. There is no need to speak to me in Spanish if you know that I speak English, unless I solicit it from you. I don't go calling every mexican that speaks perfect English in the streets of Texas, Amigo.....I despise people that do that....very untactful.

Originally posted by IRDÍN
I hope that you put water to your flowers

None of your business, mind your own fig plant.

Originally posted by IRDÍN
(it´s just a joke don´t feel bad).

I didn't get the joke, and I didn't feel bad either. You are insignificant and irrelevant Mr Irdin.

Originally posted by IRDÍN
It´s true that they´re still sucking money from Germany and a few months before they wanted more ,so young german generations are still working for them do you think is that right?Germany was totally destroyed,by U.S,U.K.,and the germans built up again by themselves,why young generations still have to pay?

I have no idea what are you talking about?? Germany was destroyed by a crazy dude named Hitler who defied the world and let us not get into Why Hitler is bad and caused the destruction of Germany. The US, UK have given Germany and Japan the biggest gift of life, full military protection, and the germans don't have to pay a single cent or soul or stupid army to support this unconditional protection. I wish I lived in a country that don't pay any money on defence and enjoy liberty and fear no invasion.

no flores ,that´s not right
ít´s not a gift ,it´s problem
nobody needed uk/us troops in west-germany ,nobody needed russian troops in east germany !
both countries had their own army !
and please don´t make you look stupid --- this whole story about the cold war is BS ,told on both sides
usa and russia played their little wargames on german ground ,that´s all !
and you are wrong again when you say it´s without cost s
what do you think is securing us-bases here ?
they do it alone ?
no no flores ,we have to pay for it and it´s really not cheap !
also their bases attract perhaps terrorist !

and i think irdin was talking about the money that the jews get from us even 50 years after ww2 !
that´s really not fair ,but i´m not complaining about it....
we supported a bad man and still have to pay for it :(


ps :ami ,go home :D

Yes you´re right evil isn´t in the genetic,but D.N.A. still in evolution,when is complete the next step of evolution you even will not remember this conversation.

humans must fix this problem by themselves;

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buffys said...."Its a pretty broad human failure, in my experience that tendency is definitely not confined to one culture".
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Yes,also you´re right that is your experience,you grow in the city,no?
Because in my experience when i made something wrong i try to not repeat it again,and then i make two o more things positive,is the way how i can help,and i´m also human.
But since how long these ones repeat wrong things,and with their lies screw over inocent people?,what, they didn´t learn yet?...buffys:.."I (only an outsider)"... ponete las pilas.!!!!!
Human beigns is one culture,that means,all of us must be One.The way,each have to take care of the other,but somebody teach PLAY OVER THE OTHER

The ones who laugh about what indian profecies say of this day,will suffer more.Because when it happens they will not ready.And for be ready the books don´t teach you this.
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buffys said:
So are you saying that if the rolls were reversed you'd do better?
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I tell you something i´m proud to be from the third word.The people from third word,we have faith in Mother Earth,the stars and God. Most of us live,without
many possetion and less consume,we will help to the ones who loose all material possetions,when the day hava come.For sure this you will not understand,the books or one month turist holiday in the third world don´t teach this.Be part of the third world is be happy every day without something.
I saw already what you mean and my heart told me never use artificial power against any beign.

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buffys...
I think the question is how do you solve a conflict when both sides are wrong AND both sides are right?
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Something so big,and dark how is happening one person cannot change,the whole humans as One can do something,the only one who can do it in one day is la PACHAMAMA.On this days Mother Earth shows us a little(earthquakes,tornados,etc)
only for remember that she is alive,and we do not take care of she,but one day She will make the Big shake,Because her D.N.A. also is changing and this change will be strong because we are not in armony and then all artifitial beigns will disapear.

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buffys....
....when both sides are wrong AND both sides are right?
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humans will stop to use the brain chakra for artificial intentions and will be open the third eye.For the moment human only see with two,left-right,
o black-white,how you like to call it.The thing is ,that the third eye can see more far away,cos is in the middle,fusion of the other two.

For the moment we wait,with peace inside,but not in silence about things that go against spiritual freedom, that others in same time want to control and use the others energy for their own satisfaction.


............THIRD WORLD IS MORE CLOSE TO THE FOURTH...DIMENSION

Originally posted by WasiGermany
no flores ,that´s not right
ít´s not a gift ,it´s problem
nobody needed uk/us troops in west-germany ,nobody needed russian troops in east germany !
both countries had their own army !

Wasi,
I'm a bit uneducated about the history of Worldwar II and the complications of it, but I know one thing. Germany and Japan may never assume the victims just because they lost....Afterall, they started the whole mess and the US merely finished by giving the whole world back their peace....Loosers could be agressors and not always are victims.

As far having troops in Germany, consider it punishmnet for Germany's ambition to control the world and disturb world order and peace. In time, I think the troops will go just like the wall did fall, and Germany will earn back it's freedom to have an army.

It wasn't just the U.S. Get off your high chair and go back to school and learn.

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJAAA Flores you´re very funny you have luck that a lot of people in the world speak your "globalizate" language,then is more easy for you to blablabla.So i explain; flowers it mean in espanol,Flores.Así que relajate histerica.
Drink your coca-cola y a la cama,to sleep a siesta.I love you.

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Hey Flores you forgot to write the u.....perfect English in the streets of Texas, AmigoUUU....




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WasiGermany ........ and i think irdin was talking about the money that the jews get from us even 50 years after ww2 !
that´s really not fair ,but i´m not complaining about it....
we supported a bad man and still have to pay for it
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Yes,man this is what i mean.And they get a lot los muy caraduras.

They take care of each other, that's why!!!!!

norad They take care of each other, that's why!!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yes,man They take care of each other,pocket money ,come one!!!! you forgot to complete the sentense

flores ,don´t get me wrong.....
it was a good thing that somebody came to germany and kicked hitlers ass !
sure ,let them stay here a while !
but 50+ years ?is that what will happen to iraq too ?
flores ,really no offense ,but they have to go now !
what do they want here ? i will tell it you :
they want to have bases in the whole world ,that´s all !!! :mad:
no danger that a "hitler" will come back here.......
really flores ,tell me your opinion about their bases here ,why do they need them ?
50 years is a DAMN LONG TIME !


ps : i heared just this morning some very disgusting news!
i have to search some informartions ,but if it is true ..... then damn the ami´s :mad:
i heared about secret US nuclear weapons ,here in germany !
when this is true --- uh-oh...............................


edit :....and Germany will earn back it's freedom to have an army.
what are you talking about ?we have an army since 40 years again

Originally posted by IRDÍN
Hey Flores you forgot to write the u.....perfect English in the streets of Texas, AmigoUUU....


That's it....I swear to god Irdin, I'll make you cry....Ask people around here, I can do it, and I have been banned for it too before. I'm not afraid to be banned again....

I'm sick of your assumption, so here it is. I'm 29 female, born in US, Michigan of Egyptian Parents that were naturalized Americans in the 70s. I Lived 14 years in Egypt and 15 years in US. I'm married to a hispanic that I met in college in US/Maryland......We worked and had fun as DINKies (Double income no kids)in many states, then we it was time to start a family, we decided to move back to Maryland for the family support...We happily live in Maryland with our two children surrounded by family......and my spanish sucks on purpose, so I can fake it that I can't talk with the inlaws.....Are you happy now?

Originally posted by WasiGermany
really flores ,tell me your opinion about their bases here ,why do they need them ?
50 years is a DAMN LONG TIME !


Come on Wasi, how are we supposed to employ and feed and house hundred of thousands of people that we have scattered all over the world for free. If you were the US secretaty of State, why would you order the return of all those people, so you can worry about paying them unemployment here.:confused:

so you say they won´t go ???
really ,they have to go ,especially when i read something about nuclear weapons here !

here is a german link :
http://www.friedenskooperative.de/ff/ff02/5-43.htm

germany (also 6 other euros) is a nuclear power ,never knew that this is allowed.......
don´t you see what they are doing here and everywhere ?
this information is REALLY DISGUSTING :mad:

ps :search with google for : B-61 warheads in buechel / büchel
there are 11 warheads in buechel and even 55 in ramstein

Ayy que miedo!!..Flores....I don´t mind what sex you´re.But i see that all this k.m. from Cairo to U.S. taught you nothing,rica.You sounds like live inside one termo.

Wasi, somebody told me that having a military base of another country is benefitial to the economy. Is that true (how does it work?) and if yes... shut the hell up ab our bases over there!

benefitial ? not for us ;)

no whitewolf ,this is not the case...
they make (us-bases) their surround economy dependent to them !
so it sometimes can hurt the economics when they move (we all know --- they´ll never do it :mad: ) ,that´s all !

ps :they should close the bases only to hurt us?please answer

Originally posted by whitewolf
... shut the hell up ab our bases over there!

Now comeon, I"m coming to your house tonight with my family and we are never leaving for the rest of your life and you need to shut the hell up about us being over there. We will feel free to make enemies with your best friend and use your kitchen knives to stab him, while we like to make a friend of your worst enemy and he is invited for dinner every night.

no flores ,you should really call back all your soldiers and nukes ,you will need them very soon ,more than WE ever did :D

Okay, on a serious note, I know I'm bouncing around like a YoYo. I don't see any emminent problem with the US army in Germany, it is not like Palestine or Kashmeer problem. Wasi, try to view the positive sides of having American military in Germany....Try real hard, like me and my family although we are inconveancing whitewolf, we are providing him excellent bully services.....Believe me there is some positive, concentrate on that, and you'll sleep better at night.

yes ,perhaps you could say that there are positive aspects .....
but they are very few and i know 1000x more negative aspects !
don´t thhink that i hate a single soldier for being here ,i´m angry with us-goverment (hehe ,who is it not...)
please ,tell me what you think what these positive aspects are !
no global terms like simply "security" or such stuff (cause we have an own army)

ps : perhaps we shouldn´t stretch this thread too far ,it´s about jews :cool:

Wasi,
I agree we'll be stretching the subject of this thread if we start discussing US troops in Germany, as far as why a lot of people don't like the jews, it will always be a mystery to me. It's phsycological, and all conspiracy theories, even the one that I speak sometimes of have no basis or fact.

Why? I think it's because they control the media and politicians of US. And made them work for the interest of Israel.

Quote, "Our Real Government Is in Israel

by

Annie Oakley

I watched Colin Powell speaking to AIPAC (the Israeli lobby) on a morning C-Span show. I almost threw up. He announced that the U.S. is immediately giving Israel $1 Billion to assist their economy which this war has impacted. The Jews stood and applauded loudly. With a big smile, he said, "And that's not all. The president has asked for an additional $9 Billion in loan guarantees" (which means a non-repayable grant since the Cramden bill -passed some years back- guarantees adequate U.S. grants to pay any Israeli debt. Israel pays us back not one cent -- ever). Cheering and loud applause ensued from the audience.

Then Powell in effect threatened war on Iran. He said they were gaining strength as a threat to Israel. The Jews jumped up and cheered, applauding with the greatest enthusiasm. Powell's speech left the impression the US is taking on the entire Middle East and handing it over to Israeli rule.

Anyone who doesn't see that our real government is in Israel isn't paying attention or is too timid to face the truth."

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/iraq_israel.htm

How I wished those cheering people were US veterans, elder people, students and unemployed people.

Originally posted by kathaksung
Why? I think it's because they control the media and politicians of US. And made them work for the interest of Israel.


Are you suggesting that the jews are holding guns in the back of every reporter and politician and forcing them to satisfy their agenda??

I hope you are not suggesting that skill in politics and business these days is not percieved as control....Bill Gates control the computer industry and he's not hated for it....maybe a little.

I'd like to know what type of weapon the jews and Bill gate are using to influence people so much and collect such wealth and influence, because I'm sure every country would like a 1000 tons of that to use it to satisfy it's own interest as well..

Please no conspiracy theories.

kathaksung,

Quote - "Anyone who doesn't see that our real government is in Israel isn't paying attention or is too timid to face the truth."

you know i just heard someone saying the exact same thing, except instead of israelis controlling the government they believed it was aliens. ive heard others claim its actually the Masons or the "liberal" media that are really in charge.

Hurling accusations with nothing concrete to back it up is not just useless, it's destructive.

"...too timid to face the truth"? If anyone isn't facing the truth id say its you and the other conspiracy theorists i mentioned. Its a lot easier to blame some faceless concept (intent on world domination no less) than it is to look at yourself.

If you take the normal nationalisms and ethnic hatreds, and legitimize them with religious overtones, that pretty much seems to be the problem.

Land and economic issues were frustrating enough for Roman-Judaic relations, and still there was a religious connection to the tension. Christianity climbed to Roman respect through anti-Judaic juxtapositions, and from there a large part of it really seems to be that the Jews are described as killing Jesus.

There are modern theories that suggest the anti-Jewish depiction of Jesus' execution was a concession by Christians to the Roman authority, who would have cracked down if the Romans were vilified in such a manner as having murdered Jesus.

I actually distracted myself with modern concerns, working more with the title of the topic than with your actual topic post; that is my error.

The rest of that post was just scattered wanderings to reinforce the (erroneous) context I was working with.

But Christians persecuted Jews for centuries, and in older times, Jews and Muslims got along reasonably well; it was Christians who expelled the "Spanish Jewry", who had lived relatively peacefully beside the Moors for a decent period.

(I know there's a more formal and proper word for "Spanish Jewry", but I can't remember where I picked up the term I'm using. It's the one that occurs to me at the time.)

So it seems that the Holy Land is a major point of contention, but that brings us up to the modern time.

In the beginning, it was convenient politics. In the end, it was vicious persecution justified by religious ideas.

As a result, the Jews ran all over the place for centuries because they kept getting kicked out of wherever they settled. People have always, it seems, had a bone to pick with the Jews, but millennia later, it's a tired old bone.

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

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....."Are you suggesting that the jews are holding guns in the back of every reporter and politician and forcing them to satisfy their agenda??
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Blind,Blind,Blind ,ayayayyy!!!!Some people is really dry brain,
At this time the things are working diferent,than other times,o you think this is a western movie?
On this days humans live time of ambition, prostituite life for money,so is clear that the gun is the money.

Jews:

Merely an observation.....

From being the despised MONEY CHANGERS (I guess they ripped off people then also) in early bible times, to the worshippers of the GOLDEN CALF (money), a few chapters later, the Jew seems to have always brought anger, dispute and violence as part of his life's equation.

Today, we condemn the Palestinian's for hating the Jews. :rolleyes: While we look the other way at Jewish atrocities committed against them by these "People of the Book."

Yesteryear it was the Germans and before that the Polish, Hungarians and the Russians before that.

Note: Encyclopedia Brittanica: "Prior to 1850 all Jews lived in Eastern Europe," in the Cacasus/Black/Caspian sea areas, in the Kingdom of Kahzaria and we didn't have much of a "Jewish" problem on this side of the planet, but after they migrated north, south, and northwest to Europe, Mama Mia whatta semi-Kosher mess!

The demise of Czarist Russia has been justifiably attributed to the "Jewish influence" ( Trotsky, Lenin, Rasputin, et. al. ) and today, America begins its death throes on its long journey--seemingly tracing the decline and fall of the Roman Empire--under the same "Jewish influence." ( Rumsfeld, Wolfkowitz, Perle, Lieberman, Levin, Feingold, Boxer, et. al. )

God help us all!

Abdulla....

Originally posted by IRDÍN
Flores, "Are you suggesting that the jews are holding guns in the back of every reporter and politician and forcing them to satisfy their agenda??
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Blind, Blind, Blind, Ay Ay Ay Ay!!!!

Some people is really dry brain, At this time the things are working diferent, than other times, you think this is a western movie?

On this days humans live time of ambition, prostituite life for money, so is clear that the gun is the money.

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Abdulla: Hey Flores, when you own and operate the US media honey--and every reporter runs scared of being BLACK LISTED in his profession for writing ANYTHING that disparages the "people of the book," why do you need a gun? :)

AIPAC/ZOA own the US Congress--haven't you seen all the AIPAC poster boys in the US Congress voting more money to kill Palestinian's with? ( McCain, McConnell, Kyl, Levin, Hagel, LIEberman, Biden, Torricelli, Durbin, Harkin, Inouye, Lugar, Glenn, Rockefeller, Spector, Nichols, Kerry, Hatch, Leahy, Warner, Byrd, et. al. ).

So no guns needed here, either! :rolleyes:

Abdulla....

SLWK

The arabic hate is, I think, essentially a property dispute


I say its essentially a colonial dispute .

Syrian

The reason People dont like jews is bcause Jews are evil by nature, not all of them but most of them.


This is the dumbest thing Ive heard today , congrats u beat Flores with her mythological atheism crap .....


HOLOHOAX


Are you seriously denying holocaust ?

buffys

I (only an outsider) think the question is how do you solve a conflict when both sides are wrong AND both sides are right?


and how would this be , that both are wrong and right ? In what precisely ?

Flores

Germany was destroyed by a crazy dude named Hitler who defied the world and let us not get into Why Hitler is bad and caused the destruction of Germany


Get your head out of 10 year olds western history books Flores .

Flores

I'm a bit uneducated about the history of Worldwar II and the complications of it


As you showed by stating the previous quote

Flores

Are you suggesting that the jews are holding guns in the back of every reporter and politician and forcing them to satisfy their agenda??


They dont , its simply a miracle they report and propagate what is in the interests of imperialism , and this happens the same as zionist interest .


I hope you are not suggesting that skill in politics and business these days is not percieved as control....Bill Gates control the computer industry and he's not hated for it....maybe a little.


skills in business and politics ? LMAO
PS : Bill aint longer in charge , a JEW is , Steve Balmer .
I dont think Bills or Steve's interest differ somuch from eachother , nor from Imperialism nor from zionism .


Please no conspiracy theories.


Please no reality repression , why does everything involved with jewish power has to be conspired as if its the damn elders of zion . You check out who run USA's coorporations , media and politics , then come back whining about theories . Im sure not any of them even knows how many power they hold , Im sure it wasnt planned to become such a block 50 years later , but I am sure it IS a block and that kayks DO hold power . More than a quarter of the Forbes 400 is Jewish , while the Jews dont even hold 2% of USA's population ? And those others who are not Jewish certainly hold the same interests as those kaykls in top positions within all the coorporations .

Tiassa

I know there's a more formal and proper word for "Spanish Jewry", but I can't remember where I picked up the term I'm using. It's the one that occurs to me at the time


Sephardim
I do wonder why even you Tiassa seem to view the Jewish peoples who are not one poeple who all have had different confrontations and conflicts , in the same perspective . The Khazars for instance were not opressed at all within their own environment , and the enlighters in the West as being anti-jews themselves would also show an appreciation of those who at least came from Jews .

Abdi

The Khazarian influence......
From being the despised MONEY CHANGERS (I guess they ripped off people then also) in early bible times, to the worshippers of the GOLDEN CALF (money), a few chapters later, the Jew seems to have always brought anger, dispute and violence as part of his life's equation.


I really dont understand why you keep bringing up biblical jewry to point to Khazaria .....

Why don't a lot of Jewish like people?

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Why don't a lot of Jewish like people?
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Man,i think this is the right question?

Originally posted by IRDÍN
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hypewaders...

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Man, I think this is the right question?


Abdulla: Lemmie guess-OK?

It's like you have a chicken coop full of chickens ( what else :) ) that you are going to eat over the next few weeks---you don't fall in love with them because they are your "food" man! :rolleyes:

Thus the Joo sees the Goyem as "food," perhaps this is why the Jooish Talmud sez. "If you want to do bad things leave the land of the Joos and go into the Goyem's lands.

Abdulla....

Hey Abdulla you´re funny how you speak,but i understood something like why the jewish don´t like the people?is not that right.I´m not so fast in the grammar of english lenguage.E xplain me,master,o you think with all what i wrote here i will lend them money?

Originally posted by IRDÍN
Hey Abdulla you're funny, how you speak, but I understood something like why the Jewish don't like the people? Is that right? I'm not so fast in the English grammar. Explain this to me, Mr., do you think with all what I wrote here I will lend them money?

Abdulla: Just don't try to charge the "masters of usury" any interest and "yes" they will borrow from you. :rolleyes:

But a little piece of advice-OK?

Get the papers to their house in Brooklyn because once they "fly the coop to do their "Alyiah" you can't send the collectors to Israel to collect from the Joos unless you're another Joo with dual citizenship like, Ari Fleicher, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz or Joe LIEberman! :eek:

Abdulla....

PS: I did my best to correct your English inasmuch as you are a fellow (non-resident) Goyem, OK? :p

Gracias Abdulla but i know very well what i have to do,i do not need somebody who i don´t know to tell me what is right,and if i ask something i need a simple answer,no washing brain answer,so you also have to learn to know the position of others,i know jewish i know muslim and many more....
We have to learn to listen for grow ourselves.But i said already what i understood.If for you is no clear so is your problem,not mine because i know jewish ideas muslim ideas,Vale te quedó claro cumpa.....

Oh my! hehehe what a thread - really this should be a serious but damn i got the laughs, nonetheless, I wanted to point out how the world has increasingly lost the ability to conceptualise the whole which I put down to nothing else but divisions- the collective is now singular & any hope of a supreme being is dashed by science...man feels very alone in this world & in his fear lashes out at any who seem different - Jew, Gentile, Pharisee, tax collector none are exempt......the meek have inherited the earth.

Originally posted by Flores
Nothing is really disgusting but you......Shallow as a river in the middle of the summer. Even god wasn't that harsh on them, so why do you hate so much what god showed compassion toward.


The Cow
[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

I dont know what is your background, but let me remind you that the JEWS tried to kill our prophet Muhammad (PBUH) many times before.

He made a treaty with them, they broke it TWICE and they allied themselves with the pagans to eradicate the prophet Muhammad and the early muslims, the prophet(PBUH) had enough and ordered his army NOT to pray AL-ASAR ( before sunset prayer) BUT IN THEIR LAND , they were EVIL so the prophet expelled them from the arabian peninslla to avoid their EVIL.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
I dont know what is your background, but let me remind you that the JEWS tried to kill our prophet Muhammad (PBUH) many times before.

He made a treaty with them, they broke it TWICE and they allied themselves with the pagans to eradicate the prophet Muhammad and the early muslims, the prophet(PBUH) had enough and ordered his army NOT to pray AL-ASAR ( before sunset prayer) BUT IN THEIR LAND , they were EVIL so the prophet expelled them from the arabian peninslla to avoid their EVIL.

It does not matter what the jews or Quraish or whomever do to us or Prophet Muhammed, God will judge them. It is not our job to judge the entire jewish people.

Prophet Muhammed loved people who stayed Kafir until they died like his Uncle Abd Elmutaleb, He loved Jews like Khadija's relative Nofel Abu Warraqah, and I'm sure he would have hated muslims that killed and did bad thingsin the name of Islam like Muawiyah Abu Sufian who killed Ali and Bin Laden and other muslims.

God have told the prophet that his heart can love or hate whoever he wants, but onlyl god will guide people.....So follow the advise and don't assume that muslims are automatically good and jewish are automatically bad, only god knows what is in the hearts.

Originally posted by Proud_Syrian
I dont know what is your background, but let me remind you that the JEWS tried to kill our prophet Muhammad (PBUH) many times before.

He made a treaty with them, they broke it TWICE and they allied themselves with the pagans to eradicate the prophet Muhammad and the early muslims, the prophet(PBUH) had enough and ordered his army NOT to pray AL-ASAR ( before sunset prayer) BUT IN THEIR LAND , they were EVIL so the prophet expelled them from the arabian peninslla to avoid their EVIL.

Abdulla: Correction.... Zionists ARE evil---not WERE evil!

As for trying to kill prophet Mohammed, lemmie just say that they succeeded in getting Christ crucified... and life hasn't been the same for them for 2,000 years. :(

Yeah, yeah, anti-Semitic drivel, huh AlanH, Jerrek and that cross dresser from Latvia (I never can remember DARTH VADAR's real name)... but remember, these dudes were EVIL even before Anti-Semitism was KOOL! :eek:

Abdulla....

Originally posted by Flores
It does not matter what the jews or Quraish or whomever do to us or Prophet Muhammed, God will judge them. It is not our job to judge the entire jewish people.

Prophet Muhammed loved people who stayed Kafir until they died like his Uncle Abd Elmutaleb, He loved Jews like Khadija's relative Nofel Abu Warraqah, and I'm sure he would have hated muslims that killed and did bad thingsin the name of Islam like Muawiyah Abu Sufian who killed Ali and Bin Laden and other muslims.

God have told the prophet that his heart can love or hate whoever he wants, but onlyl god will guide people.....So follow the advise and don't assume that muslims are automatically good and jewish are automatically bad, only god knows what is in the hearts.

Very interesting views. I wish every one would think like that. But there are plenty of irgnorants in every religion. I hope they think more logically then emotionly.

Thank you so much, but believe it or not, beside the few bad apples that are screaming on the surface and trying to hog all the attention, there are plenty of simple people that mind their own business and understand life for what it is.

Why do people hate jews? They don't!

People confuse and often mix the line btwn a Jew and a Zionist. I became informed on Zionism after joining my old forum. I was shocked at who ruthless the ideology is. The Zionist's don't care about morality why? Because the real Zionist doesn't have a belief system, i.e. they reject the Torah. They see the Torah as being the weakest link in the Jewish race! (We all know, I even asked a rabbi that Jew is a faith not a race). In 1975 Zionism was officially considered a racist policy. Of course it was revoked in 1991 after pressure, but none the less the statue stands. I don't mind Jews, they aren't bad people. Most religious Jews don't think that Israel is right, even down-right sinful. Many Jews are angry at how the Zionists use Judaic symbols i.e. the Shield of David, the Minorah, etc. Some may consider that blasphamous. So to hate Jews is wrong to worry about Zionists isn't.

Judaism, Christianity... the same crazy religion.

Originally posted by Abdullathebomber
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Abdulla: Hey Flores, when you own and operate the US media honey--and every reporter runs scared of being BLACK LISTED in his profession for writing ANYTHING that disparages the "people of the book," why do you need a gun? :)


So are you suggesting that the arabs get smart and earn a spot to own and operate and US media and then the world will clap and be ever happy because arab views smell like roses and taste like honey.

Are you guys missing from some bad fairy tale book or something.

Cant we just have some Buddhists running the media ? At least it will bring peoples of Tibet in focus as well instead of those poor old Israeli suffering from terrorism and USA color-games .......

But no Zen-Buddhists like Seinfeld , I aint buying that trick :D

People confuse and often mix the line btwn a Jew and a Zionist. I became informed on Zionism after joining my old forum. I was shocked at who ruthless the ideology is. The Zionist's don't care about morality why? Because the real Zionist doesn't have a belief system, i.e. they reject the Torah. They see the Torah as being the weakest link in the Jewish race! (We all know, I even asked a rabbi that Jew is a faith not a race). In 1975 Zionism was officially considered a racist policy. Of course it was revoked in 1991 after pressure, but none the less the statue stands. I don't mind Jews, they aren't bad people. Most religious Jews don't think that Israel is right, even down-right sinful. Many Jews are angry at how the Zionists use Judaic symbols i.e. the Shield of David, the Minorah, etc. Some may consider that blasphamous. So to hate Jews is wrong to worry about Zionists isn't.

So I suppose you know more about the belief system of a zionist than does a zionist? Well, sir, your biggest problem then is that you allow yourself to be told things. Your assertations are completely untrue. Let's start out with/

The Zionist's don't care about morality why? Because the real Zionist doesn't have a belief system, i.e. they reject the Torah.
This is one stupid statement. EVERYBODY has a belief system. I'm not even going to explain it to you. You should know by now.

-- what does the Torah, if anything, have to do with the presence of morals? Besides that, who said anything about Zionists rejecting the TOrah? Your statement is a mockery to 'anti-zionists'.

They see the Torah as being the weakest link in the Jewish race! (We all know, I even asked a rabbi that Jew is a faith not a race).
Umm...no. Jews are not a race, and the Torah is not a weak link. It's actually a very strong one. I recommend you get your facts straight.

(Of course Judaism isn't a race :confused: Do you actually know what a 'race' is?)

In 1975 Zionism was officially considered a racist policy. Of course it was revoked in 1991 after pressure, but none the less the statue stands.

Yes, by the uh humm.. UN (United Nazi's). The UN is hardly a justified institution. I'd think twice before labelling their hypocritical statements with any mustard.

I don't mind Jews, they aren't bad people. Most religious Jews don't think that Israel is right, even down-right sinful.

You don't mind them? As in, a non-stereotypical way, fired by the opinion that all Jews behave in the exact same manners and follow the exact same rules? And how...

Most of the anti-zionist Jews are Chassidic. An Ultra-orthodox, eastern European wing spawned in the 1800's, I believe. And -Don't tell me what a religious Jew thinks about Israel, either. As a matter of fact, I go to a synogogue of orthodox principles, and the people there supports Israel(both zionistically, and politically). Again, you're making false assertations.

In that you basically said:
"since the most religious Jews (chassidim) don't generally support Israel, I do not mind them, and therefore hold that zionism is anti-Jewish policy"--This is false.

Many Jews are angry at how the Zionists use Judaic symbols i.e. the Shield of David, the Minorah, etc. Some may consider that blasphamous. So to hate Jews is wrong to worry about Zionists isn't.
Nobody cares what 'many Jews' are angry about. Conversely, a disproportionately larger amount of Jews(many super-religious in nature) are angry at their 'anti-zionist' companions. And nobody seems to take them with a shred of credence. Because it's more convenient? I can't help but wonder.

To inform you further, I should let you in on a sweet little secret that debases your entire argument as I've seen.That is>> There are a greater number of ultra-orthodox Jews (the kabbalists as an example) who support the cause of Israel. I'll add, that in most groups, these brands of the Jew are considered to be MORE religious (measured by the same standard as your average Chassid,) than your 'proto'-Judaist.

Most religious Jews don't think that Israel is right, even down-right sinful.

Many Jews are angry at how the Zionists use Judaic symbols i.e. the Shield of David, the Minorah, etc. Some may consider that blasphamous.

Don't you mean the 'star' of David. (Yeah, I guess it could be grammatically referenced as a shield..but really.)

So to hate Jews is wrong to worry about Zionists isn't.

So, by what I've dissected, your logic is the following --
it's wrong to hate a Chassid, but any other Jew that is pro-zionist can be discriminated against w/o charge?

Elbaz :
Umm...no. Jews are not a race, and the Torah is not a weak link. It's actually a very strong one. I recommend you get your facts straight.

Are you denying that Zionism deals with the Hebrew ancestry , a racial issue ? They even speak Hebrew today in Israel , while most are Yiddish-tongue , Mizrahim were made to learn Hebrew instead of speaking Arabic is they do , Zionism is a people that no longer is Jew , it is a new Identity as a nation .

As a matter of fact, I go to a synogogue of orthodox principles, and the people there supports Israel(both zionistically, and politically).

There are even neo-nazi's supporting Israel , does that mean they now love the Jews ? Dude , your orthodox peoples can be pro-zionism all they want , many other orthodox jews (even in Israel) are not . Zionism is pure secularism , and the orthodox who supports it end up short anyways , its no longer a Jewish state , Judaism has little to do with this ........

Again, you're making false assertations.

And nobody seems to take them with a shred of credence. Because it's more convenient? I can't help but wonder.


Who cares what religion they claim ? Zionism doesnt deal with religion , zionism is created out of anti-semtism .

There are a greater number of ultra-orthodox Jews (the kabbalists as an example) who support the cause of Israel. I'll add, that in most groups, these brands of the Jew are considered to be MORE religious (measured by the same standard as your average Chassid,) than your 'proto'-Judaist.

Does that change the fact that there are many religious jews that denounce zionism ? Hey I know raelian-sect peoples who support Israel and want an alien embassy and Ive seen videos of seriously crazy Israeli's with aliens telling them about terrorists etc , they all like Israel to ........ its all irellevant .

it's wrong to hate a Chassid, but any other Jew that is pro-zionist can be discriminated against w/o charge?

I think the deal was its wrong to hate a person because of his religion but you can discriminate because of his political ideals , I tend to agree with that ...........

This is one stupid statement. EVERYBODY has a belief system. I'm not even going to explain it to you. You should know by now.

What is their's? What the belief in the secular state of Israel, not a good not a moral, a state.

-- what does the Torah, if anything, have to do with the presence of morals? Besides that, who said anything about Zionists rejecting the TOrah? Your statement is a mockery to 'anti-zionists'.

A true Zionist denies the Torah scriptures due to the simple fact that it denies the Jewish people a homeland until the comming of the Messiah, and we all know that ain't happening soon. Unless you consider Jesus the messiah.

Umm...no. Jews are not a race, and the Torah is not a weak link. It's actually a very strong one. I recommend you get your facts straight.

Okay, re-read my statement:

They see the Torah as being the weakest link in the Jewish race!

Not me they, obviously the Jew is not a race it's a faith. I am not stupid, but the goal of Zionism is to make Judaism a race to allow a secular state in the Levant. And they do see the Torah as the only thing that was holding them back, especially in terms of credibility. Also:

(We all know, I even asked a rabbi that Jew is a faith not a race).

Before you start talking B.S read my entire post, kay!

Yes, by the uh humm.. UN (United Nazi's). The UN is hardly a justified institution. I'd think twice before labelling their hypocritical statements with any mustard.

I don't answer to rhetoric.

As a matter of fact, I go to a synogogue of orthodox principles, and the people there supports Israel(both zionistically, and politically).

Well I can give you website to read my friend:

www.nkusa.org

Don't you mean the 'star' of David. (Yeah, I guess it could be grammatically referenced as a shield..but really.)

I may use whatever I want as long as it is correct!

So, by what I've dissected, your logic is the following --

False hope is always the worst fate!

Say no to Judaism!

Jews are indeed a race, or rather, two races, Ashkenazi and Sephardim. Their race is like most races formed from mixture of other races, and like mixed race populations in the New World and Middle East, they in pure form resemble brown African-Asian-Caucasoid hybrids somewhere between Mexicans and Arabs.

Most by now are so mixed with Caucasian that it's more proper to point to Italian(*) or Irish or Scots or Eastern European as a closer heritage (most Ashkenazi are mixed to the greatest degree with Eastern European blood, including Asian).

Judaism and Christianity are the same sick, psycho religion.

http://www.fuckchrist.com/

* - some believe that Italian and Jewish girls are the best, uh, partners during cold winter night "snuggling"... yeah, that's it. My limited testing of this hypothesis has led to some interesting results.

Resluts, you said?

Originally posted by prozak
Say no to Judaism!

Jews are indeed a race, or rather, two races, Ashkenazi and Sephardim. Their race is like most races formed from mixture of other races, and like mixed race populations in the New World and Middle East, they in pure form resemble brown African-Asian-Caucasoid hybrids somewhere between Mexicans and Arabs.

Most by now are so mixed with Caucasian that it's more proper to point to Italian(*) or Irish or Scots or Eastern European as a closer heritage (most Ashkenazi are mixed to the greatest degree with Eastern European blood, including Asian).

Judaism and Christianity are the same sick, psycho religion.

http://www.fuckchrist.com/

* - some believe that Italian and Jewish girls are the best, uh, partners during cold winter night "snuggling"... yeah, that's it. My limited testing of this hypothesis has led to some interesting results.

Resluts, you said?

Abdulla:

You scare me prozak--and I am hard to scare, huh?

Better take your prozac.......... and call me in the morning, K?

Psst: The Joos have big t!t's and that's GREAT. But the Italian's--TOO MUCH PUBIC HAIR, yuck! :eek:

You like psychotic religions?

Originally posted by prozak
You like psychotic religions?

Abdulla: Hey, I don't call myself Prozak, right? :rolleyes:

Abdulla....

PS: You know, I once had the idea that prozac in the aquifers of the Middle East would solve 98% of their problems--and adding some powdered contraceptives--would solve the other 2%, what do you think Prozak? :)

Jews are indeed a race, or rather, two races, Ashkenazi and Sephardim.

Ashkenazim and Sephardim deals with religion and culture not race , it is known though that most Ashkenazim and Sephardim dont resemble racially , but neither do Sephardim amongst eachother or Ashkenazim amongst eachother or both in Falashmuri who are closest to Hebrew Israelites .

So you're just full of bull on this . Its quite weird that you are because you are obviously aware of the mixing .

Resluts, you said?

Thats just stupid dude

Judaism and Christianity are the same sick, psycho religion.

Not really , Christianity be it what you wish to call it I am not interested or familliar enough to get into it , but Judaism is no religion there's no Hebrew word for religion , maybe a Yiddish one I dunno , religie .... :confused:

I do know Arabic equavalent witch is Din , Im sure Hebrew knows a similar word .

But hey you're a Jew-hater obviously , so I wouldnt expect you to even get passed whatever you accidently know about them religiously . Just for you're info you're incorrect

And that site ofyours , its STUPID , as far as Islam and Judaism go at least ......sentences like :

like Jews, Muslims are genetically descended from the Semites

simply proves retardness in logics (religion-religion(as u call it) > genetics) , and its incorrect as well . So premis wrong logic wrong all wrong blah

Allahs/Jihad (whoever you are today)

Judaism is no religion there's no Hebrew word for religion , maybe a Yiddish one I dunno

Judaism IS religion - and regardless of whether or not a word for religion exists in Hebrew does not change that fact.

Judaism IS religion - and regardless of whether or not a word for religion exists in Hebrew does not change that fact.

It includes religion , like Islam Judaism includes much more than just that , thats why it IS relevant for the Hebrew word , as it shows there's is no such thing as religion as identification for Judaism , because the Hebrew (original) understanding of Judaism doesnt exist merely out of religion .

Im not denying it is ALSO a religion ofcourse , Im just saying there's more to it .

Here's an example , Qabbalah ....sure its a part of Judaism (well its origins are pre-Hebrewic but thats beside the point) , but its not religion . You can be a Qabbalist without being a Jew .

Allahs/Jihad (whoever you are today)

Here's an example , Qabbalah ....sure its a part of Judaism (well its origins are pre-Hebrewic but thats beside the point) , but its not religion . You can be a Qabbalist without being a Jew .

You never seem to be able to get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth.

Qabbalah (Cabbala) is a medieval JEWISH mystical system based on the BIBLE. If based on the Bible, then it is religion. You can be Cabbalist without being a Jew but that doesn’t mean its not a religion.

Remember, anything can qualify as a religion if there exists a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.

Allahs/Jihad (whoever you are today)

Whats this dude your opening sentence ?
Oh well .....

You never seem to be able to get your facts straight before shooting off your mouth.

Obviously you speak of what you mentioning next , Qabbalah , while you seem to not care much about the essense of the message , the Hebrew understanding of that what you call religion . Its all good

Qabbalah (Cabbala) is a medieval JEWISH mystical system based on the BIBLE

First of all , so many Bibles ....lets keep it to the proper Jewish scriptures OK ? Biblicism is a Christian game , not a Jewish one .
Also its not medevil , the Zohar is , Qabbalah itself dates back to Kemet .

If based on the Bible, then it is religion.

Thats totally untrue , its not religion because you base it one some book only , at least that for sure conflicts your following statement : belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.

Obviously you can base plenty things on the bible without dealing with superpowers controlling human destiny .

You can be Cabbalist without being a Jew but that doesn’t mean its not a religion.

You seem to point out Qabbalism to be a religion itself ? Thats the only way your statement makes any sense , especially when you follow with ..remeber anything etc ..... am I correct ?

Anyways I dont agree with your definition , all religions seem to have quite some more essential aspects they are defined by than just that . Just being convinced of what you mention doesnt make it into a religion dude .

Allahs/Jihad (whoever you are today)

Whats this dude your opening sentence ?
Oh well .....

You are Allahs_Mathematics and you’ve created another sciforum member account for some reason. For example, you both use the word “witch” instead of “which” – your writing styles are almost identical. If you thought you fooled anyone into thinking you’re not Allahs then you’ve done a pretty bad job.

Thats totally untrue , its not religion because you base it one some book only , at least that for sure conflicts your following statement : belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.

Obviously you can base plenty things on the bible without dealing with superpowers controlling human destiny .

The Bible is not just “some book” – it is the so-called word of God and has everything to do with supernatural powers that control human destiny.

Do you deny that the Bible is the word of God according to theists?

Anyways I dont agree with your definition , all religions seem to have quite some more essential aspects they are defined by than just that . Just being convinced of what you mention doesnt make it into a religion dude .

Yes, I know – you never agree with accepted definitions, you would much rather make them up as you go along to suit your purposes. Religions may have other aspects to them but their primary one regards a belief in supernatural powers, as does your religion, Allahs… oops sorry – Jihad.

Don't like Jewish...what? Bread? art? music?

Originally posted by (Q)
You are Allahs_Mathematics and you’ve created another sciforum member account for some reason... And before you begin to bleat protestations that this is incorrect, you should know
that the recorded IP's for these two users is identical down to the fourth octet.

Originally posted by goofyfish


Is that your computer DNA or something.....Shoot...And I thought I can get away with the perfect crime.

And before you begin to bleat protestations that this is incorrect, you should know
that the recorded IP's for these two users is identical down to the fourth octet.

Are you talking to me Goofyfish ? Get real dude what do you think a big AM wannabe-conspiracy here ? This isnt the first person being Columbus here , simply not answering or getting into it (deals more with the peoples who ask this here on forum instead of others with PM u know , maybe you can make that public as well ) doesnt mean "bleat protestations" , I havent protested in anyway ........ so please . It all deals with this silly superstition of what motives one might have to do such , obviously the logics here dont go any further than trying to fool (like Q proposes or whatever) ....

Q :
you both use the word “witch” instead of “which”

wow , thanks ......

The Bible is not just “some book” – it is the so-called word of God and has everything to do with supernatural powers that control human destiny.

ehm, , thats your opinion who'se word it is , to many people it is a word of god , to others a word of satan , to others a historical book to others just a very thick book .

Do you deny that the Bible is the word of God according to theists?

theists ? some theists ? no

Religions may have other aspects to them but their primary one regards a belief in supernatural powers, as does your religion,

Im assuming you are pointing to Islam , well Islam isnt my religion . In Arabic there is no word "religion" , Islam is Din , your concept of religion is merely a part of this Din .

Anyways , seems you have little to say for anything else you claimed but got refuted .

music?

I like Klezmer

Allahs/Jihad

Islam is Din

‘Din’ is defined as a loud harsh noise or the act of making a noisy disturbance – I therefore agree with you.

Anyways , seems you have little to say for anything else you claimed but got refuted .

The delusional always assume refutation – that’s one of the reasons why they’re delusional.

BTW – why did you change your sciforum userid to ‘Jihad’ – did the ‘Allahs’ userid get banned?

Or did your reputation precede you?

‘Din’ is defined as a loud harsh noise or the act of making a noisy disturbance – I therefore agree with you.

Sure it does caveman

The delusional always assume refutation
that’s one of the reasons why they’re delusional.

What the hell does one have to do with the other ?
I mean if we have dropped to the level of making you understand what the value of a refutation is in a discussion , just nevermind then . If you are claming you are not refuted then prove so or just shut up

PS : Are we back at your silly hate game ? Havent you been humiliated enough ?

BTW – why did you change your sciforum userid to ‘Jihad’ – did the ‘Allahs’ userid get banned?

Guess again pops . It does surprise me that from only one potential explanation you have advanced to 2 , wow . You doubled pops , thats worth an applause .....

Originally posted by Flores
Are you suggesting that the jews are holding guns in the back of every reporter and politician and forcing them to satisfy their agenda??

I hope you are not suggesting that skill in politics and business these days is not percieved as control....Bill Gates control the computer industry and he's not hated for it....maybe a little.

I'd like to know what type of weapon the jews and Bill gate are using to influence people so much and collect such wealth and influence, because I'm sure every country would like a 1000 tons of that to use it to satisfy it's own interest as well..

Please no conspiracy theories.


Jewish influence in Congress.

Quote, "U.S. ELECTIONS 2002
No matter who controls Congress,
voices against Israel will be muted

It’s anyone’s guess which party will hold the majority in Congress come November, but one thing is for sure: Several leading anti-Israel voices no longer will be heard in the Capitol’s halls.
That’s because a number of representatives whom Jewish activists have deemed anything from “not a friend of Israel” to “anti-Israel” are not returning to their jobs.

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=11878&intcategoryid=3

Originally posted by buffys
kathaksung,

Quote - "Anyone who doesn't see that our real government is in Israel isn't paying attention or is too timid to face the truth."

you know i just heard someone saying the exact same thing, except instead of israelis controlling the government they believed it was aliens. ive heard others claim its actually the Masons or the "liberal" media that are really in charge.

Hurling accusations with nothing concrete to back it up is not just useless, it's destructive.



Quote, "THE IMPACT OF JEWS IN THE USA
http://www.baldeaglejournal.com/chp22.htm

Congressman Apologizes for Remarks About Jews and Iraq
By Nick Anderson, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON -- A Virginia congressman was engulfed in criticism Tuesday for recent comments suggesting that Jewish leaders were behind the drive toward war with Iraq and had the power to stop the war if they wished.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-moran12mar12001446,1,6736465.story?coll=la%2Dheadl ines%2Dnation

Hey, are you the same kathaksung who was posting odd stuff on the sunday herald webforum?

(checks profile, then homepage.) wow, looks like you are! Have you recovered yet?