Here is the evidence I have found. Please provide yours.

1) His middle name was Anti. (his words)
2) His first name was Yeshua, not Jesus.
3) His last name was not Christ. Christ just means annointed. I am annointed so, that is basically meaningless.
4) Both Enoch and Yesus called the Elect One "The Son of man". Jesus was the son of no man. He was the bastard son of a woman and some God.
5) Enoch said the Elect one would be full of years. Jesus lived 36 years. In Enochs day, man lived a thousand years.
6) Enoch said the Elect one would sit on the throne of glory. Jesus said the anti-christ would sit in the seat of God.
7) Enoch said the elect one would be present and hidden until his countenance was lifted and would be revealed to the elect. Jesus was announced to the world with a star in heaven and everyone knew who he was supposed to be all of his short life.
8) Jesus said the anti-christ was son of perdition (he who perishes). Jesus perished and never returned.
9) Enoch said that the Elect and Elect one would be protected while all others on earth were swiftly destroyed in the day of tribulation. Jesus and all his disciples were killed.
10) Enoch was called the scribe of God. His book was written by the archangels and himself from his journeys with the archangels which he named. Gabriel, Raphael, Michael, Uriel, Phanuel. From what I can tell, Jesus never mentioned the names of any of the angels. (maybe he was afraid of getting their attention).
11) Jesus said: "upon this rock I will found my church". He was speaking of Peter, whom he once called satan. "Get thee behind me Satan". So, Jesus founded his church upon Satan. Yikes.
12) So, apparently, Yesus goal was to get the whole world to worship him instead of the Father, and was to turn the world against the comeing elect one. This is relatively pointless because it looks to me as if the all but the elect are to be destroyed before the elect one takes his throne anyways. yesus knew he was defeated from the beginning but just wanted to anger God further, I suppose. When the world wakes up and figures out who the elect one is and asks his forgiveness, it will be too late for them. The ungodly, unrighteous, deceiving, murdering, abortioning, bickering, agressive, pridefull, non-gentle, discourteous, people can not possibly enter a place like heaven or the elect kingdom where non of those qualities will ever exist. Every man has heaven inside from birth. It is what he has built around it to be himself that is what he is. We chose who we became, and thus our fate.

Merry christmas!
Put the n in santa at the end and what do you get?

never heard of jesus a. christ. who is he/she

You mean a six foot tall, white arab? Have you seen photos of people from Jerusalem? People were alot shorter back then in any case.

He was killed because he was a trouble maker. He was walking round being followed by tons of people, tossing money lenders out of temples, calling himself the son of god and king of the jews, all that crap. The best way to shut up a trouble maker is to kill him.

jesus a. christ was a 6 foot white arab?

More like Bin Laden. :D

Witless: theres no prove a man like that ever lived, so what are you talking about, you might as well be discussing harry potter, or bilbo baggins.

witness - what are you talking about? You are weird.

Kat

More like Witless. Provide a source for your informtaion. I'm guessing you got most of your info from the Christian bible. Could you provide the Book, Chapter, and Verse(s) please? I'd like to see such things in context. For example, "Get thee behind me, Satan..." doesn't actually mean that Peter was the overlord of Hell. It was the biblical equivalent of "Shut the Hell up!" or some other such phrase to let someone know they were out of line.

Jesus was nothing but a troublemaker and a traitor, and he died the death of a traitor to Rome.
ROMA VICTOR!

For example, "Get thee behind me, Satan..." doesn't actually mean that Peter was the overlord of Hell. It was the biblical equivalent of "Shut the Hell up!" or some other such phrase to let someone know they were out of line.

Kinda...

Here's the context in which JC rebukes "Rocky":
Matthew:16:18-28 (King James Bible)

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Sounds like Peter was questioning the "mission statement" of the Lord, and they had a quick team meeting to get everybody on the same page again.
;)

[/QUOTE=Killjoy]Here's the context in which JC rebukes "Rocky":
Matthew:16:18-28 (King James Bible)

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Sounds like Peter was questioning the "mission statement" of the Lord, and they had a quick team meeting to get everybody on the same page again.;)[/QUOTE]
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M*W: Not exactly.

Peter represents the ancient Egyptian god Ptah who reigned over the Earthly (physical) realm just as the planets Saturn and Capricorn do. The "keys" symbolically given to Peter represent Capricorn opening the new year. (However, I vividly recollect the 'actual' "Keys of Peter" on display in St. Peter's in Rome). So all this means is that the Constellation Capricorn is the beginning of the new year following the winter solstice.

When the sun "dies" during the winter solstice, it can be seen as an inverted cross (on which Peter is said to have died). The All the disciples have their Egyptian analogues. Peter was said to also have denied Christ. From the physical view of Earth (as represented by Peter), The planet Saturn lines up with the Earth to obstruct our viewpoint of the sun (symbolized by Christ). Therefore, Peter becomes Christ's advesary. The cock "crowing" represents Peter's denial of the coming new year (Capricorn).

The solar year has 365 days. The "cock" symbolizes the new solar year of 365 days. Peter's "denial" three times is a reference to the three days that the sun is 'entombed' during the solstice. The bible has been translated using symbolism to occlude its cosmotheology. When the sun (son) loses his 'light,' it is said that Peter "denied" him/it.

Interestingly, Peter (Ptah) has been called the "rock" and the "cock." This is a reference to Capricorn (Earth sign of the physical realm). The "rock" is of course Earth, and the "cock" represents the solar year (365 days).

To Ellion: I haven't forgotten your question about Jesus riding the donkey and Judas' denial of Jesus. I don't have the answer off hand, but I'm researching it and will get back to you.

~ Medicine*Woman

Is this as something to do with astrology ?

Alien

Alien

Well that my friend, that explain everything. :D

M*W: Not exactly.

Peter represents the ancient Egyptian god Ptah who reigned over the Earthly (physical) realm just as the planets Saturn and Capricorn do. The "keys" symbolically given to Peter represent Capricorn opening the new year. (However, I vividly recollect the 'actual' "Keys of Peter" on display in St. Peter's in Rome). So all this means is that the Constellation Capricorn is the beginning of the new year following the winter solstice.

When the sun "dies" during the winter solstice, it can be seen as an inverted cross (on which Peter is said to have died). The All the disciples have their Egyptian analogues. Peter was said to also have denied Christ. From the physical view of Earth (as represented by Peter), The planet Saturn lines up with the Earth to obstruct our viewpoint of the sun (symbolized by Christ). Therefore, Peter becomes Christ's advesary. The cock "crowing" represents Peter's denial of the coming new year (Capricorn).

The solar year has 365 days. The "cock" symbolizes the new solar year of 365 days. Peter's "denial" three times is a reference to the three days that the sun is 'entombed' during the solstice. The bible has been translated using symbolism to occlude its cosmotheology. When the sun (son) loses his 'light,' it is said that Peter "denied" him/it.

Interestingly, Peter (Ptah) has been called the "rock" and the "cock." This is a reference to Capricorn (Earth sign of the physical realm). The "rock" is of course Earth, and the "cock" represents the solar year (365 days).
~ Medicine*Woman


Interesting.

It sounds like you're implying a deliberate intent to obscure the older concepts, though.
Is that what you mean ?
Or is it that the "labels" just got changed to more familiar ones depending on where the older myths spread ?

I mean, I've heard of the correlation between JC's 3-day "nap" & the period at the end of the solar year where there are a number of days of equal length before they begin to lengthen.
I guess some of the rest of the analogies just seem like a bit more of a leap because I've never heard any other reference to them.

(hint, hint, he said, hinting that a link or 3 to more info would be appreciated !)

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Sounds more like MW is using astrological metaphor to illustrate the bible instead of vice versa. The criss-crossing of imagery from Pagan to Christian or Christian to Pagan is similar to "I said it first!" "Nah-ah, I said it first!" "Did not!" "Did too!" "Liar!" "Liar!" When it comes to the disciples, I believe they existed as men, not as astrological symbols. I'm not Christian, but I do believe there are some historical truths sprinkled throughout the bible.

I agree, lots of confusion in the bible and the stars. So, I go to the book of Enoch, who was seventh from Adam and grandfather of Noah. You can find the book by typing "Enoch" into your search engine.

Here are a few points of controversy.

First, apostle Paul was said to have a thorn in his flesh. No one ever cared to figure out what his thorn was. It was the fact that Paul was eternally accountable for the Killing of the disciple Stephen. He stood by and approved of his stoning. Now, God has sworn vengeance on those whose hands have the blood of the saints upon them.
But, with Paul, he rewarded him by blinding him with his light (appeared to him as an angel of light, which Jesus said the devil will do) and caused him to preach to multitudes in various countries and to write most of the new testament. This does not sound like eternal punishment.

Then there are demons. I watched the Emily Rose movie and found something interesting. One of her demons named itself "Legion". This is a demon who was a multitude of demons bound together in a person whom Christ encountered. Jesus did not cast this demon into the abyss, but, instead removed its bounds allowing it to become a multitude again, and set them free upon the earth by allowing them to enter a heard of pigs and to run into the sea and drown. Someone apparently after Jesus day, bound these demons back together and they entered Emily Rose. Of course Satan is a liar and it was probably not Legion in her. One of the demons named itself Lucifer also. This could not be true because I'm thinking that Lucy fire is smarter than what was in Emily.

It is interesting that Demon posessed people do nothing but scratch at walls and are in horrible torment at all times. Maybe this is because they know there future in the furnace.

Don't call me a preacher, I'm just looking for absolute truth until I find it so I can properly judge my world.

Don't call me a preacher, I'm just looking for absolute truth until I find it so I can properly judge my world.

well, you should not judge. and you can't find absolute truth unless you find yourself... unless you read what blavatsky, yesudian and haich said.

Sounds more like MW is using astrological metaphor to illustrate the bible instead of vice versa. The criss-crossing of imagery from Pagan to Christian or Christian to Pagan is similar to "I said it first!" "Nah-ah, I said it first!" "Did not!" "Did too!" "Liar!" "Liar!" When it comes to the disciples, I believe they existed as men, not as astrological symbols. I'm not Christian, but I do believe there are some historical truths sprinkled throughout the bible.
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M*W: No metaphor intended. There should have been no "criss-crossing" in the first place. You can thank the religionists for that. I also believe there are some historical truths "sprinkled" throughout the bible. The buzz word here is "sprinkled." The entire bible reflects the astrological findings of their day. It was written allegorically, because the writers (whomever they were) were writing of astrological events, not human events. The bible writers were astrologers, which is just another word for god seekers. The 'gods' were in the heavens just like angels were the stars. This was a long time before paganism, I think. It is the alpha and the omega.

I don't agree that the writers of the bible were astrologers per se. Astrology was a lot more important in people's lives back then for lack of better understanding of natural sciences, but it sounds like you're saying that the whole bible was a collection of disguised astrology lessons. One part I don't get is relating Capricorn to a cock, as Capricorn is the Sea-Goat. I'm no astologer, but I've never seen Capricorn as a chicken or fowl of any kind. :confused:

I believe these people lived, walked, and preached, but I don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God as the Christians would have us believe, and I don't believe in the biblical miracles. (I have a link somewhere that covers a more mundane viewpoint of Jesus. I'll post it when I find it.) These guys were pushing social reform.

Also, paganism is not a formally established religion. It's the Christian word for anything not Christian. Therefore "The 'gods' were in the heavens just like angels were the stars," could not be "...a long time before paganism...", as it is the basis of pretty much all human religion. There have always been gods in the skies because the sky was an unattainable territory for the human race. Until gravity and things like the Bernoulli Effect were better understood, if man tried to fly he usually crashed to the ground and died, therefore the it must have been the gods. (Gods of nature explained other, more terrestrial mysteries for early humans.)

Okay, here's the link for a more mundane look at Jesus and who he was. I had made this simple website because to use it as a post in another forum would have been too long. I just figured it was easier (and probably more polite) to do it this way. You may have to copy/paste the link instead of just clicking it. It gave some people some trouble before.

http://www.geocities.com/mistwolf@pacbell.net/sonofman.html

For the Record, here are the sins and judgement of the Father.
1)Trespass
2)Pride
3)Murder

God is the light which came into being of itself. The light shined in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not. Before the light, the darkness was full of peace, tranquility, and silence. God trespassed into the darkness with his light being full of aggressive spirits. Now there is no silence, no peace and no tranquility to be found. God spread like a cancer through the darkness at 86,000 miles per second.

God says he is KING, on his THRONE, full of GLORY. All these words are oozing, overflowing and dripping with PRIDE. God accused Lucifer of committing the first sin of pride when it was actually God who committed it first.

Everything created and all motion is done for GODs "good" pleasure. He created and saw that it was good. He created the word good to mean (it pleased him). God therefore has done what he has again judged his creation of doing. Lusting after their own pleasures. Everything HE does is for his pleasure.

God made Adam and Eve to be immortal beings to live forever. When the angel, which Enoch named, cause Eve to sin then Adam, God murdered Adam, Eve and all of humanity. HE kicked them out of the Garden and told them in that day (a thousand years is a day, "another example of HIS pride I suppose") they would die. Thence forward, every man was purposed to die once. But, who committed the sin? It was the angel that committed the sin. Taking it a step further, the GOD is accountable for what his creation does when he's not looking. He should have been responsible enough to Father his creation.

So, the FATHERS judgement is complete and the record established. Now I can move on to the created.

Why do I do this stuff? because I have had three questions in me since I was a child.
1) WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
2) WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING HERE?
3) WHY AM I OPPOSED AT EVERY BREATH I TAKE?
So, I set myself aside from the creator and the created to find what is real and what is my purpose for being here. I can't find it in myself to conclude that I am here by my own choice. I do know that heaven and hell fire are spirits which I have in my hands however. I have made it my principle to rise above the defectiveness of the creator and created however, so don't be alarmed, yet.

Wjj,

Why do I do this stuff? because I have had three questions in me since I was a child.Most hold similar questions.

1) WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?There are three types of people –

1. Those who make things happen.
2. Those who have things happen to them.
3. Those who have no idea what is happening.

You appear to be number 3.

2) WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING HERE?Apparently wasting your time wondering what you can do with yourself rather than finding something useful to do.

3) WHY AM I OPPOSED AT EVERY BREATH I TAKE?That’s simple paranoia – deal with it.

don't be alarmed, yet.Don’t worry about us, we are fine, but you should definitely be concerned for your own sanity.

But, who committed the sin? It was the angel that committed the sin. Taking it a step further, the GOD is accountable for what his creation does when he's not looking. He should have been responsible enough to Father his creation.

Take it even one step further. It wasn't God either, since he had no choice. Sin (separation) is inevitable.

Apparently wasting your time wondering what you can do with yourself rather than finding something useful to do.

Nothing can be useful if we don't know why anything exists.

HE kicked them out of the Garden and told them in that day (a thousand years is a day, "another example of HIS pride I suppose") they would die.

There is a specific part of this quote that has always irritated me. It's that whole 1000 years = 1 day nonsense.

Religious people often use it to try and explain how Adam did not die that very day, but at some 900+ years of age. They also use it to claim the planet is around 7000 years old. Here comes the problem..

god says to noah: "In 7 days I shall make it rain for forty days and forty nights". Given your above statement, that would mean that from this moment it would take 7,000 years for the rain to come, and would then rain continually for 40,000 years. Alas there goes the notion that the planet is only 7,000 years old. If we move on from there we see the bible state that:

'noah was 600 years old when the flood came', and then goes on to state that 'After the flood noah lived 350 years' (a grand total of 950 years).

As you can see, we hit a dilemma when paying attention to that 1000 years/1 day garbage.

How can a thousand years = 1 day when 1 year = 365 days?

Yes, I'm the one with no idea.

So, there are 3 scriptural giants:
1)God (the light)
2)Jesus (the light, the light of the world, the bright and morning star)
3) Lucifer/Satan (the light bringer, the bright and morning star, the opposer).

It seems that, I, being the darkness which comprehended not, all of these horrible light sources which created my life of chaos, I now comprehend all of these light sources and I can remove them from my property, as they have trespassed. Of course I will forgive them for their trespass as I choose to be forgiven for my trespasses.

Now, there is a delicate balance in a being of all these chaotic forms of light. Removing one would surely not be good, as the balance would be destroyed.

on the other subject, It is you, not I, who have not done something usefull with my life. maybe you should ponder that for a moment in your kingdom.

How can a thousand years = 1 day when 1 year = 365 days?
The Bible says that time is different for God, since he doesn't live on earth. "For the lord, one day is like a thousand years" But that "thousand" doesn't mean exactly 1000, it just means "a long time". In stories numbers like 3 and 7 are often used and they have some sort of meaning. The 7 day creation doesn't mean time, it means something else.

"In 7 days I shall make it rain for forty days and forty nights".

40 is also a number that repeats itself in the Bible, I've heard that it means "eternity" (indefinitely long time). Moses waited on Mount Sinai for 40 days and 40 nights before receiving the 10 Commandments.

Wjj,

Most hold similar questions.

There are three types of people –

1. Those who make things happen.
2. Those who have things happen to them.
3. Those who have no idea what is happening.

You appear to be number 3.

Apparently wasting your time wondering what you can do with yourself rather than finding something useful to do.

That’s simple paranoia – deal with it.

Don’t worry about us, we are fine, but you should definitely be concerned for your own sanity.

O.K. you got my goat.
First, I am all 3. I make things happen, I let things happen to me, and when I have no idea, I do the research to get an idea.

Your words come from defense mechanisms not from intelligent thought.

I have lost my sanity temporarily in the past during my journey, but it was not necessarily a bad thing.

If you knew me as others do, you would know that I have influenced the entire world for the good, in the past and in the present, and in the future.
So, apparently it is you who has no idea.

So what do you do that is usefull which does not further destruction of the earth and the human spirit and the entire human race eventually, if you continue on your path?

The difference between us is that I was not born a worker ant. You, as a child, accepted whatever spirit chose to posess you and followed its path. I did not. I chose always to question. So I suppose, since I'm not a worker ant like the rest of the world, that makes me not human. I am in a higher class than you. Ha ha.

So, what would you have me do which would be useful to you Cris?

If you knew me as others do, you would know that I have influenced the entire world for the good, in the past and in the present, and in the future.

Who cares.

I am in a higher class than you. Ha ha.

Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. - Matthew 23:12

So, what would you have me do which would be useful to you Cris?

Nothing. Just keep shut.

Interesting. Just a few words for a happy new year.
Paranoia is for those who smoke marijuana and for fear of the unknown. I look into the unknown instead of being scared of it, and I quit smoking the weed many years ago!

Perhaps you all are displaying your feathers of defense mechanisms because the security of your own soul has been threatened. This means that I am doing my job.

No one ever thought someone would come to earth and force mankind to pass judgement upon himself. Though, ever since one of the fallen angels brought pen and ink to the earth, it has been recorded that it would happen.

How God Damned Fukking GLORIOUS it is to be me.
TEST MY PRIDE.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Witless: theres no prove a man like that ever lived, so what are you talking about, you might as well be discussing harry potter, or bilbo baggins.

There is no prove (proof) that Plato ever lived but we quote him all the time.

Just a few more words before I go to work for the last time this year.
BACK TO THE SUBJECT.
"He set the captives free". Jesus set the demon "Legion" free to be its multitude of demons again and free to rome the earth and do their masters will. I think he set the wrong captives free. The disciples, especially Paul, called themselves prisoners of the Lord. The true christians became true captives. How Ironic.

Also, Jesus said he was androgynous man. Apparently He had penis and vagina. See the gospel of Thomas and other hidden gospels for reference.

Jesus also said they called him the prince of peace but really he came to bring fire, sword and war. See Luke 10 or 11. The fallen angels, according to Enoch, brought knowledge of weapon making and war making to man. As far as fire goes, no one knows whether he meant the fire of the holy spirit or the fire of hell or what.

As for me, here is an example of my PRIDE.
I live with my first x-wife and my childred. First, because my child support is so high that I can't afford to live on my own. and second, because they are my children. I live on the couch and all my belongings are stored on top of the microwave. I have done this for five-years now. Whenever she asks me to do something, I do it without question and without argument. Does that sound like someone who is proud or humble.
don't ridicule what you don't have a clue of understanding about!

As far as EXALTED:
I do not find myself better than anyone. In fact, I would give anything to have some
joy in my life as the rest of the world does. Anyone who considers themselves successful in business or entertainment considers themselves better than me. Does this bother me? no.
I am here to fight a war. "the spiritual battle". Just because my power is greater than man and I have all the angels of heaven as my army doesn't mean that I exalted myself. And there is certainly nothing for me to be paranoid about.

There are three types of people. Enoch eluded to them by describing three different chambers where mens souls are stored after death and prior to final judgement. First, the dark chamber for the animal man who never knew of a spiritual existence. Second, a horrible chamber for those who curse forever. Third, a chamber flowing with rivers of light for those who were godly and chose right rather than wrong and chose to know the difference between them.

again, happy new year.

Whenever she asks me to do something, I do it without question and without argument. Does that sound like someone who is proud or humble.

I tell you what it sounds like: it sounds normal.

Witness,

So what do you do that is usefull which does not further destruction of the earth and the human spirit and the entire human race eventually, if you continue on your path?Mind uploading research.

So, what would you have me do which would be useful to you Cris?Learn to think logically and then teach others.

Jesus was an interesting religious person, but when people build up a devine image out of him, they lose sight of both his teachings and their own transcendent nature.

There is no prove (proof) that Plato ever lived but we quote him all the time.welcome to sciforums.

however you cant be serious surely.

Plato (Greek: Πλάτων Plátōn) (ca. May 21? 427 BC – ca. 347 BC) was an immensely influential classical Greek philosopher, student of Socrates, teacher of Aristotle, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens.

Plato lectured extensively at the Academy, and wrote on many philosophical issues. The most important writings of Plato are hisdialogues, although a handful of epigrams also survive, and some letters have come down to us under his name. It is believed that all of Plato's authentic dialogues survive.* However, some dialogues ascribed to Plato by the Greeks are now considered by the consensus of scholars to be either suspect (e.g., First Alcibiades, Clitophon) or probably spurious (such as Demodocus, or the Second Alcibiades).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato
http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/browse-Plato.html
http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/plat.htm
http://www.rit.edu/~flwstv/plato.html
http://plato-dialogues.org/plato.htm
http://www.iep.utm.edu/p/plato.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12159a.htm
http://www.connect.net/ron/plato.html
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/GREECE/PLATO.HTM
http://plato-dialogues.org/

we have dialogues, epigrams and letters, that have survived the centuries, atributed to plato, and also third parties chronicling his life, but absolutely nothing attributed to a jesus, other than hearsay from third parties, in a book full of fallacies, and contradictions

It is a New Year and the time has come. If you choose to know anything further, you may read the book of the scribe Enoch.

Being made the leader and the one who has the final word for the Elect, the following are the last words to you, the six billion non-elect.

I am taking the silent advice of the elect and will now completely and spiritually separate myself and the elect from you and "your" world. It is fact that your world is full of transgressors and trespassors and oppressors and infinite opposition to me and mine. We leave behind with you the innumerable spirits who give you what you call your wealth and arrogance and vanities, and lusts, and pleasures, and deceipts etc.

As we do not trespass, we will no longer forgive your trespasses against us.
As you would not share your "wealth" with us, we will not share our wealth with you. Hold fast to what you own, which is nothing. You don't even own your own souls as you have given them to the opposing spirits to use against us and they will never give them back to you. You will burn up with them.

We will no longer care nor pray for you as you have never prayed nor cared for us. Your only goal was to destroy us. You did not hear my warning nor did you understand it.

We are protected and we are safe, so you need not worry for us. You can search for the elect but you will not find them. The elect easily know who they are.

The time for the change has come.
The Elect will rise, and the rest will fall. And a horrible fall it will be. Let the sirens and the trumpets sound, for the day of Truth has come.

note: the book of Enoch was written solely for the purpose of blessing the Elect and the Elect one. Though it was not written to you, you may still read it to find out what is happening in your world and what you could have done about it. All of your plans have now failed and the fruits of your plantings are being harvested. What would you expect of a person who believes he is good but destroys his own earth?

Now to all of you who say that I am living in a fantasy world or in a memory of the past thousands of years ago before the flood, I say.

There has been no people in the history of man other than you who have been found screaming, cursing God and saying: 'This is the "ME" generation'!
What will you call the next generation? There won't be one. Why should all of the bound demons and fallen angels and Lucifer and all the Satans be bound at such a wonderfull self-worshipping time? Set them all free and let them all have there way with all of your good tolerance principles, let them be tolerated as they howl and scream. Let the musicians praise themselves and the spirits they use and let them make a joyfull noise unto trespass and opposition.

Let Lucifer the GOD of this world know in his heart that he has won. His kingdom has risen above the Fathers kindom and he will no longer be opposed. As the Lord of spirits has filled the earth with opposing spirits, let them oppose until the opposition is defeated and they begin to oppose and destroy themselves in their genius. Let the liberals overflow with liberation and tolerance of everything but make sure to oppose and not allow anything which you would call good.

Let the smoke of your burning rise forever and ever for us to see and remember you by.

Let Benny Hinn (the freemason/ Holy Ghost blasphemer) continue to shout "This is Your Day!". As he throws the holy ghost around like lolipops to children and He even sells tapes on how to use the Holy Spirit on TV.

Good Bye.

Well goodbye, can't say I'll miss you.

Crackpots come and go. There goes another.

witnessjudgejury: Being made the leader and the one who has the final word for the Elect, the following are the last words to you, the six billion non-elect .

He certainly thought highly of himself, eh ?
Probably an extra special pot of boiling sulphur just waiting for 'eem !
:D
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Wow, did I miss what was going on here? I thought this guy was a religion-debunker from his first post, which however was poorly referenced. Then it turns out he thinks he's the Messiah?

I'm worried when Messiahs talk about "departing" - nowadays they tend to take people with them (http://www.rickross.com/reference/heavensgate/gate27.html), if you know what I mean. It's so sad that he based all of his beliefs in books rejected as late-written fiction by scholars over two millennia ago (Enoch) or Jesus books rejected as non-inspired (not to say uninspired) 1700 years ago (Thomas).

MedicineWoman, seriously, what are you smoking? Where on earth did you read this nonsense about Peter = Ptah and Capricorn being a chicken? You have learned to reject the Bible as being founded on fantasy, when are you going to apply the same skepticism to the books of mad theories about the origins of Christianity that you devour? Just because there's a similarity in pronunciation does not make the whole Bible story an astrological allegory. I know you don't set much store in the words of St. Paul, but the fact remains that his letters are the only real contemporaneous, first century, record of the birth of Christianity, and there can be no doubt whatsoever that Paul knew Peter personally, and James. Maybe there is no solid contemporary account that allows us to state firmly that Jesus existed, but Paul, Peter and James defnitely did. Peter is not an astrological symbol, he was a real, actual bloke.

MedicineWoman, seriously, what are you smoking? Where on earth did you read this nonsense about Peter = Ptah and Capricorn being a chicken? You have learned to reject the Bible as being founded on fantasy, when are you going to apply the same skepticism to the books of mad theories about the origins of Christianity that you devour? Just because there's a similarity in pronunciation does not make the whole Bible story an astrological allegory. I know you don't set much store in the words of St. Paul, but the fact remains that his letters are the only real contemporaneous, first century, record of the birth of Christianity, and there can be no doubt whatsoever that Paul knew Peter personally, and James. Maybe there is no solid contemporary account that allows us to state firmly that Jesus existed, but Paul, Peter and James defnitely did. Peter is not an astrological symbol, he was a real, actual bloke.
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M*W: Hello, Silas. Long time, no hear.

I've been researching how light and darkness and the elements intrigued our ancient ancestors who created lore that is still believed today in modern religions. My theory is that the bible stories were derived directly from the movements of the constellations, and the bible is nothing but an ancient astrological chart. I am in no way implying that belief in astrology as a true religion is credible. It was just as man-made as christianity, but I believe it to be the source that spawned probably all religions.

About Peter being translated as Ptah, I read that somewhere, but I don't remember where. I read a lot of books at the bookstore, but I don't always write the references down at the time. The two books I have on hand are:

The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold by Acharya S. and Jesus Christ Sun of God by David Fideler.

How can we be sure Saul/Paul wrote anything or even was a real human being? My own opinion has evolved since you were here last. I decried everything that Saul/Paul said or did, but now I understand that he wasn't a historical person either. His name change is even suspect. "Saul" is the name of the ancient king of Israel, but "Saul" is just another spelling of "Sol." The ancients believed Saul/Sol/Sun to be their monotheistic god. Another example is Sol-o-Mon or "Son-of-Man." Another way to interpret this is "God-of-Man."

Scholars say there is no proof of who actually wrote the bible, but when one re-reads it with an open mind, it becomes obvious that much of the bible reeks of astrology. If Jesus was not an historical person, then I doubt Peter and Paul and all the others were not historical persons. That leaves me to conclude that the NT must have been 'written' by the Romans who were heavy into astrology as a means of controlling the masses.

M*W, I certainly didn't want to denigrate your genuine efforts to find an understanding and to study. I'm somewhat nonplussed about an authoress who hides her surname. Anyway, following my usual practice, I checked out what Amazon readers have to say (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0932813747/ref=cm_rev_sort/103-7046952-6399026?customer-reviews.sort_by=%2BOverallRating&s=books&x=13&y=3), with the lowest ratings first. Clearly Acharya S leaves a great deal to be desired in her research. Answering Christian charges of atheistic mass murder on the part of Soviet Communism by claiming that Marx and Lenin were "practicing Jews" and Stalin was an Orthodox Christian is just plain contrary to the facts. All the source material appears to be of the highest dodgyness. Most of the books cited are published by a non-mainstream controversy-specialism house. Even those reviews which are relatively positive appear to completely discount the astrology theory.

I don't like seeing an obviously intelligent person like you simply succumbing to some other piece of unfounded flimflam.

Scholars say there is no proof of who actually wrote the bible, but when one re-reads it with an open mind, it becomes obvious that much of the bible reeks of astrology. If Jesus was not an historical person, then I doubt Peter and Paul and all the others were not historical persons. That leaves me to conclude that the NT must have been 'written' by the Romans who were heavy into astrology as a means of controlling the masses. There are two non-sequiturs there. First of all, I have never been remotely convinced by any "Jesus never existed" arguments. Accepting that his own existence is only secondarily-sourced, the letters of Paul are primary source material backing up (not completely but enough) the account of his travels recorded in Acts. No reputable scholar, whether theistic or atheistic, believes there's any reasonable doubt about Paul's existence. And it is very clear that the earliest doctrinal battles which pitted Paul (who wanted openness to the Gentiles) against Peter and James who wanted to maintain Jewish exclusivity, really took place and that consequently Peter and James also existed in actuality.

Then you say that because Paul and Peter were "not historical", then "the Romans must have written the NT". This is also a non-sequitur. Why the Romans, particularly, and not the Jews? Why would Romans create a religion that they then persecuted? Most of the writing of the NT is very clearly from a Jewish perspective, not a Roman one, and certainly involves deep knowledge of Scripture that no Roman possessed.

I'm concerned by your claims that this astrological idea is "your" theory, and that "you" conclude that the NT was "written by the Romans" etc, when they are the thesis of a book which is incredibly easy to debunk. Unless, MedicineWoman, Acharya S. is actually you!

As to the common use of 12 in a zodiacal system and the number of disciples, that's about it for a connection. And 12 is a small number with a large number of divisors (2,3,4,6) which is why it is an attractive number for mythologisers of all colours. But the number is certainly small enough to allow for the theory of it having simply been an accident. (ie if there were 57 zodiacal signs and 57 apostles, you might have had a case. But 12 is just 12 - a dozen, an important number in a huge number of applications, very few of which have anything to do with astrology. You might as well apply astrological connotations to a case of beer.)

MedicineWoman, seriously, what are you smoking?
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M*W: I somehow forgot to answer your question. Simon and Garfunkel didn't write Scarborough Fair for naught... "parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme...". Then there's Morning Glory seeds, an apt hallucinogen. If all else fails, dry some of those stringy things from bananas and smoke them. Saffron is called "Mellow Yellow," and there was a song in the 60s about it, too, by Donovan, I recall. And who needs Viagra when you can get a sexual high by drinking a tea out of or smoking Damiana?

Witless: theres no prove a man like that ever lived, so what are you talking about, you might as well be discussing harry potter, or bilbo baggins.

Actually there is plenty evidence of a Jesus.... There is also plenty of evidence tracing him back to King David's family.... now if anyone in here know's anything about jeudism you would know that the messiah which jesus claimed to be can only come from a family member from King David.

Now, unfortunitly the only proof of Jesus of Nazareth, i.e., Jesus Christ is text's. But, they are very ver reliable texts

Erm. You mean the completely different bloodlines reported by Matthew and Luke? One descends him from David through King Solomon, and the other descends him from David through his son Nathan (of a different concubine). It is one of the chief areas of evidence against bibliolatrous "inerrancy" arguments.

Isaac Asimov's view (Asimov's Guide to the Bible) was that Matthew, a Jew, presumably with access to synagogue records, might possibly have written a generation list closer to reality, though he could not contain the Kabballist inside himself, and omitted some names and repeated others in order to make 14 generations from Jesus to David (as he counted 14 from David to Abraham and 14 from Abraham to Adam). Luke, on the other hand, a Gentile, may have simply made up the names back to David, or had a different list. As Luke's Gospel is more historically sound it is perfectly possible that it he who had the reliable list, and it was Matthew who wrote the nonsense, being excessively concerned with numerology (and of course of descending the Christ not only from David but from his most famous mythological hero descendent - his son, King Solomon).

Actually there is plenty evidence of a Jesus.... There is also plenty of evidence tracing him back to King David's family.... now if anyone in here know's anything about jeudism you would know that the messiah which jesus claimed to be can only come from a family member from King David.

Now, unfortunitly the only proof of Jesus of Nazareth, i.e., Jesus Christ is text's. But, they are very ver reliable textscould you supplie some of this evidence you claim exists.

I think you mean judaism: if you do mean judaism you will find that they dont believe jesus to be a messiah, but just a rabbi.
if you go by the mythical christian version of jesus, he has no lineage to king david therefore cannot be the messiah, also the messiahs name was to be Immanuel

The development of the Christ myth is related to man's urge to dramatize when dealing with spiritual realities. The human mind is given to project an unconscious archetypal image onto people or objects, creating mythical figures. An image of a godman, who redeems heroically the fragile fragmented man of his failures/sins and offers an escape, a ray of hope, holds sway over him.

When the true nature of the target figure is seen, the projection is shattered into pieces. A fallen idol remains.


http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=39831

Was Jesus of Nazareth a real historical person? Today, we cannot give a positive yes or no answer to this question. But after studying the evidence it becomes highly plausible that, as portrayed in the New Testament gospels, Jesus of Nazareth, hereinafter referred to as Jesus, is a myth and nothing more. http://home.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html

some good reading.

http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_mccabe/religious_controversy/chapter_12.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm

could you supplie some of this evidence you claim exists.

I think you mean judaism: if you do mean judaism you will find that they dont believe jesus to be a messiah, but just a rabbi.That's not what he was saying. He was saying that the Jewish Messiah had to be a descendent of David. Obviously it was a claim of the Christians that Jesus fulfilled this requirement, but Ricky wasn't saying that the Jews thought Jesus was the Messiah.

if you go by the mythical christian version of jesus, he has no lineage to king david therefore cannot be the messiah, also the messiahs name was to be Immanuel There are quite separate reasons for dismissing Isaiah 7:14 as a valid prophecy of the Christ, but the fact that Is. got the name wrong, seven centuries prior, is not really considered a valid criticism. I mean, I made that point when I was about ten years old (when I first read the prophecy in the Bible), it's not like there hasn't been an explanation for at least 1700 years.


Was Jesus of Nazareth a real historical person? Today, we cannot give a positive yes or no answer to this question. But after studying the evidence it becomes highly plausible that, as portrayed in the New Testament gospels, Jesus of Nazareth, hereinafter referred to as Jesus, is a myth and nothing more. http://home.inu.net/skeptic/exist.html

some good reading.

http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_mccabe/religious_controversy/chapter_12.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm

As a rationalist and atheist it pains me when I see "my side" indulging in some pretty far out twisting and writhing in order to prove a point the validity of which has no real bearing on the existence or otherwise of God. In point of fact, many of the arguments cited do no more than demonstrate precisely the same argument techniques of strawman-ism, sneering and cherry-picking of the evidence available that those of us in Evolution debates are used to getting from Creationists.

From religioustolerance.org:Epistles from the Christian Scriptures (New Testament):
Liberal theologians believe that some of these were written as late as 150 CE, up to 4 generations after Jesus' death, by authors who were not eye witnesses of his ministry.

[...]

Conservative Christians believe that all of the books which state that they were written by Paul were actually authored by him prior to his death in the mid 60's CE. Although there is no evidence that he was an eye witness to Jesus' ministry, Paul wrote that he received personal revelations directly from Jesus, presumably in the form of visions. Paul mentioned that a fellow Christian, James, the brother of Jesus, headed up the Jerusalem Church. That would be a strong indicator that Jesus had lived in the early 1st century CE.
This disparity between the opinions of the "Liberal Theologians" and the "Conservative Christians" is depicted so throughout the article. But it is at this point, in the Pauline Epistles, that the clearest evidence that Peter and James did exist and did interact with a historical Jesus, can be found. The part of that page that mentions this as a strong indicator that Jesus lived in the early 1st Century is in the section headed "Conservative Christians believe all the books which state that they were written by Paul were actually authored by him prior to his death". In this particular case it is not only religious nut Conservative Christians (who believe demonstrably wrong stuff like the Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch) who believe that the majority of the Pauline Epistles were written by Paul. Some Liberal Theologians believe that too. But, what did the supposed skeptic say about the Liberal Theologians' beliefs? That they believed that some of the epistles were quite late! No shit sherlock, but what does that actually have to do with the argument? We've got a false dichotomy here, which portrays the mythical Jesus argument as the view of the right-thinking Libs. This is a distortion, in my view.

The atheists.org page is even worse, with a clearly sneering tone, and a somewhat mystifying habit of referring to Paul as "Saint Saul", as if the guy's name change is somehow significant to his credibility. I'm reminded of die-hard 60s boxing fans who continue to refer to Cassius Clay. No, Paul was not an eye witness to the Ministry of Jesus. Fortunately for the credibility of both Paul and the Jesus-existed theory, he never once claims to. Neither do the synoptic gospels. The point is, how reliable and credible are his descriptions of encounters with the true founders of the Church, who did indeed know Jesus.

The skeptics page includes non-sequiturs like the following:First, it is inconceivable that if a historical Jesus had actually founded a world religion, Christianity, that there should be no contemporary record of his activities.But Jesus, historical nor not, did not found a "world religion". The founders of the religion were SS Peter, Paul and James, and what do you know, but there are contemporary records of these men and their activities! The whole of that article attempts to show a parallel between the evidence for Jesus's existence against the evidence for Emperor Tiberius's. I have never understood why it is so-called skeptics expect to find so much information in the already sketchy historical record of the period of one amongst many Jewish charismatic leaders who was dealt with for sedition. The story is only so huge in the Gospels and amongst the Christians themselves - but not necessarily for the Roman and Jewish authorities, who dealt with this kind of thing on a regular basis. Later, as the religion grows the activities of the followers certainly does impinge on history. Further down the same skeptic page:Christians claim this passage is a valid confirmation of the historicity of Jesus. However, when subjected to further analysis the authenticity of the passage appears to be highly questionable. First, it must be recognized that in history no topic is above questioning. If it is claimed that an author wrote a certain passage, then it is the responsibility of those making the claim to provide proof of authenticity. If such proof is not forthcoming, then it follows that the passage in question has no validity. Also, much of the Christian literature that has come down to us from the first and second centuries shows clear evidence of editing and/or interpolation. Yet no-one particularly questions other historical events, the only evidence for which might be a passage in Tacitus or Suetonius. There can be no reasonable doubt as to the forged nature of the interpolation in Josephus, but you'd need better than that to justify the forgery argument for Tacitus, particularly as it is not particularly pro-Christian but vehemently anti-. In the next paragraph comes:Among the more compelling reasons for doubting the authenticity of the statement in question is the fact that there is no evidence that Nero blamed any group for the fire in question nor is there any evidence that a group called "Christians" were well known in Rome during Nero's reign (54-68.) But any competent historian would say, "Yes there is evidence that Nero blamed the Christians - it's written in Tacitus!" For such ancient events, sometimes you have to go by what we have, which is utterly fragmentary or the result of many copyings, but what else is there? Thomas L. Thompson and his Copenhagen minimalists would reject all history you didn't have direct archaeological proof for, but I think this is throwing the baby (of the entirety of narrative ancient history) with the bathwater of disproving the Bible.

silas: I apologise and stand corrected.

could you supplie some of this evidence you claim exists.


if you go by the mythical christian version of jesus, he has no lineage to king david therefore cannot be the messiah, also the messiahs name was to be Immanuel





Mary the virgin mother was a decedenant from Heli i beleive that was his name who was a direct decendant from King David.

now the fact that there is no valid evidence of this there is but it is only text's but well kept text's. But if the text's are correct which i don't know of any reason why they wouldn't.

Also Thank You Silas for clearing up the rest for me I was in no mood to type al of the that.

Erm. You mean the completely different bloodlines reported by Matthew and Luke? One descends him from David through King Solomon, and the other descends him from David through his son Nathan (of a different concubine). It is one of the chief areas of evidence against bibliolatrous "inerrancy" arguments.

Isaac Asimov's view (Asimov's Guide to the Bible) was that Matthew, a Jew, presumably with access to synagogue records, might possibly have written a generation list closer to reality, though he could not contain the Kabballist inside himself, and omitted some names and repeated others in order to make 14 generations from Jesus to David (as he counted 14 from David to Abraham and 14 from Abraham to Adam). Luke, on the other hand, a Gentile, may have simply made up the names back to David, or had a different list. As Luke's Gospel is more historically sound it is perfectly possible that it he who had the reliable list, and it was Matthew who wrote the nonsense, being excessively concerned with numerology (and of course of descending the Christ not only from David but from his most famous mythological hero descendent - his son, King Solomon).

What proof do you have of this? We truelly are at a stand still with this both of our proof is very shakey. But, the proof is clearly in stronger favour for my side. Although I could be wrong about that, I do ask you show me evidence that this could have happened.

[Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).].

"Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says 'son of Heli'] should be understood to mean 'son-in-law of Heli.' thus, the genealogy of Christ in Luke is actually the genealogy of Mary, while Matthew gives that of Joseph. Actually, the word 'son' is not in the original, so it would be legitimate to supply either 'son' or 'son-in-law' in this context. Since Matthew and Luke clearly record much common material, it is certain that neither one could unknowingly incorporate such a flagrant apparent mistake as the wrong genealogy in his record. As it is, however, the two genealogies show that both parents were descendants of David--Joseph through Solomon (Matthew 1:7-15), thus inheriting the legal right to the throne of David, and Mary through Nathan (Luke 3:23-31), her line thus carrying the seed of David, since Solomon's line had been refused the throne because of Jechoniah's sin"

Also it was not King Solomon im actually not sure where that came form it was Heli. That mary was related to the House of David

He is in me!

Though I warned you, We still took you by surprise.
All will be rewarded.

If you did not do even as much as it takes (even to go through hell and die),
to find Him, then you have transgressed the First Commandment:
"Thou shalt LOVE GOD with all of your being, and HIM ONLY, shalt thou serve"

Now, you will not find him, even in me unless you acknowledge him in me.

Did you acknowledge Adam?
Did you acknowledge the words of Enoch?
Did you acknowledge Christ?
Did you acknowledge me?

Even Greek mythology took some from the words of Enoch.

Now, GOD will not repent of the wrath he has promised because
no one has repented of their wicked deeds and the serving of self
and money. Woe unto all the living! Even the archangels who watch
will quake at the horror which soon will be.

All things in heaven and earth will be judged by me.

He is in me!

Of course he's in me.

Erm. You mean the completely different bloodlines reported by Matthew and Luke? One descends him from David through King Solomon, and the other descends him from David through his son Nathan (of a different concubine). It is one of the chief areas of evidence against bibliolatrous "inerrancy" arguments.

Isaac Asimov's view (Asimov's Guide to the Bible) was that Matthew, a Jew, presumably with access to synagogue records, might possibly have written a generation list closer to reality, though he could not contain the Kabballist inside himself, and omitted some names and repeated others in order to make 14 generations from Jesus to David (as he counted 14 from David to Abraham and 14 from Abraham to Adam). Luke, on the other hand, a Gentile, may have simply made up the names back to David, or had a different list. As Luke's Gospel is more historically sound it is perfectly possible that it he who had the reliable list, and it was Matthew who wrote the nonsense, being excessively concerned with numerology (and of course of descending the Christ not only from David but from his most famous mythological hero descendent - his son, King Solomon). What proof do you have of this?Erm, what "proof" was I supposed to provide? You made a statement about Jesus's descent that I was able to show was in error. I then quoted a respected writer's opinion and speculation. It's just someone's idea that you can take on board as a possible explanation, or reject. No proof required.We truelly are at a stand still with this both of our proof is very shakey. But, the proof is clearly in stronger favour for my side. Although I could be wrong about that, I do ask you show me evidence that this could have happened.Well, it says directly in the Bible that Joseph is the son of Jacob and simultaneously the son of Heli. Your idea that the proof is "clearly" stronger for your side evidently involves some use of the word "clearly", or possibly the word "stronger", that I'm not aware of. Lets move on to your little apologetic.

[Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defender's Study Bible, note for Luke 3:23 (Iowa Falls, Iowa: World Publishing, Inc., 1995).].

"Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob (Matthew 1:16, so this verse [Luke 3:23 - says 'son of Heli'] should be understood to mean 'son-in-law of Heli.'
Why? What is compelling about the idea that when the Bible says "son" it means "son-in-law"? What is compelling about the idea that Joseph was "clearly" the son of Jacob and the son-in-law of Heli? Why can't he be the son-in-law of Jacob and the son of Heli? I'm afraid the only thing that is "clear" to me is that Joseph is described as one man's son (with one line of descent) in Matthew and another man's son (with a different line of descent) in Luke. That is what the words say

Those people whose faith is so pathetically weak that their entire belief system rests on the infallibility of the Bible can do one of two things - they can accept the contradiction within the Bible, or they can accept the contradiction inherent in interpreting "son" as "son-in-law" on the basis that that's what the Bible "really meant" and accepting the Bible as flawless. Either the Bible contradicts itself, or people who need the Bible to be true must contradict themselves.

I urge you, as I urge all rigid Bible-inerrancy merchants - try to open your mind to the God revealed by mankind's own explorations of the Universe. Don't tie yourself to a tiny God, endlessly concerned with the doings of a small people in a small patch of land in the Middle East, on our dust mote of a planet in the vastness of the Universe. It's such a parochial attitude that does God no service whatsoever.

Why? What is compelling about the idea that when the Bible says "son" it means "son-in-law"? What is compelling about the idea that Joseph was "clearly" the son of Jacob and the son-in-law of Heli? Why can't he be the son-in-law of Jacob and the son of Heli? I'm afraid the only thing that is "clear" to me is that Joseph is described as one man's son (with one line of descent) in Matthew and another man's son (with a different line of descent) in Luke. That is what the words say


Well he was married to Mary.... which would make him the son in law to her father.... her father who was a decdent from the house of david. From the proof we have we can only beleive this to be half true until proven other wise

Jesus come on this earth because he was the strongest one between creators.

I urge you, as I urge all rigid Bible-inerrancy merchants - try to open your mind to the God revealed by mankind's own explorations of the Universe. Don't tie yourself to a tiny God, endlessly concerned with the doings of a small people in a small patch of land in the Middle East, on our dust mote of a planet in the vastness of the Universe. It's such a parochial attitude that does God no service whatsoever.






I must say one thing to this, I honestly don't beleive half of what the new testiment's say's. I am jewish, and study the old testiments. My knowledge of the new testiments is mediocre. But I find in my own conjecture that it is more feasible to go by what the bible says about religion. So i beseech you to not make assumptions of people of your own ideals.

He is in me!
Ahhhaha!! Ahahahaah!! ROFLMAO!!! Ahahah!!!
Heh heh heh...innuendo. :p :D

I must say one thing to this, I honestly don't beleive half of what the new testiment's say's. I am jewish, and study the old testiments. My knowledge of the new testiments is mediocre. But I find in my own conjecture that it is more feasible to go by what the bible says about religion. So i beseech you to not make assumptions of people of your own idealsSo now the only question is, how is it a Japanophilic Jew is lecturing me on New Testament exegesis? Something that could only happen on the Internet....

(I get that if Heli is Mary's father, then Joseph is his son-in-law. My point is there is nothing to show that Heli is Mary's father)

Thus saith THE Lord:

Being THE Life, Truth, Fair in all things, and Love, I will give you a "heads up" as to what is to come and why, and an explanation of all things necessary. Though your mind will reject and rebel against these words making them pointless for a short time, until you have proof.

God is eternal. I did not come into being. I existed before eternity. I will exist after time is ended. Time came into being and then creation in order for My self revelatation. All things created as parts of ME for purpose of analysis and edification and to increase my Joy. Time is just a little slice of eternity. It has a beginning and an end. In the end of time, the good things will be returned into me and the bad will be burned and destroyed. And I will continue in eternity to my next chosen journey.

When something is created, its opposite is created also. This is nature of creation. When a life is made, an opposition to that life is made as a bi-product. People ask, "why does God let us suffer?". I do not let you suffer. You make yourself suffer by not acknowledging the creator and sustainer of you. I will never prosper the opposition (the bi-product) of my will of creation.

When I came as man to be with you, your being sensed me and your mind processed me as being you and so your spirits and souls became strong and began the ME generation. You should note that it is not the YOU generation. The Peace movement began with experimentation of drugs, feminism, liberalism, and all manner of selfish things thinking yourselves to be gods. Even the church of Satan was founded exactly four years and seven days after I was born.

It is only fair that I would have opportunity to live a full life with a decent group of people on my earth. Thus comes the day of judgement and the six billion man blood bath when all of you will be removed from the earth so me and mine who worship me may prosper and have exceeding joy and long life on earth before eternal judgement and end of time.

There is no being named Satan or Lucifer. Satan defined is Opposition. The spirit of Satan is real but it is the combination of spirits of all of you which is the World Spirit Which is Satan. The rebellion in heaven is a parable explaining your rebellion against me. There never was nor could ever be threat against ME or Heaven. This would be impossible. An intelligent being would never create something which could really threaten him or his being or his loved ones which he created. I cannot be destroyed or lose the battle or even be injured in eternity. I can only be increased in edification as I choose through creation of a slice of time for evaluation and sorting of good and bad characteristics of Self, as any intelligent creature would do for itself.

As for the Wrath of GOD: It is only called wrath to give emphasis as to its reason. Wrath is a name as are all names, given by man. To me it is simply your removal from my existence. "my planet". You may reference Enochs writing and you will see that when I come to remembrance, my countenance is lifted and the consumation "wrath" begins. You see I will be full of joy during this time of destruction. Those who are mine elect and ALL other creation will QUAKE unimagineably during this short time, but as you read in Enoch, The elect and elect one will be present but will be protected. The earth will shake so violently that every knee will bow at will because nothing can remain standing during this earthquake. You have noticed the hurricanes and the increased fires, earthquakes, tsunamies, terrorism, etc. These will increase until there are none of you left.

As for Judgement of Sin and Rebellion against ME:
Judgement can be defined as the end of the process of self evaluation. Your judgement is only an execution of a Law of nature and creation. You have read there to be two judgements. One in the temporal and one in the eternal. In fairness, it is better for you to be judged in the temporal and not the eternal. Your judgement is simply the recompense for all of the unfairness you have built up in yourselves over your lifetime. Every word of making fun, rebellion, injury to others, mocking GOD, bickering, angry thoughts, worship of created and self rather than worship of creator, deceipts, etc. It is all heaped as "hot coals upon your heads", and must be returned to you now or in eternity. As you are destroyed and removed from the earth you will be recompensed in FAIRNESS for all your deeds of unrighteousness. Judgement is a simple and automatic process which has begun and cannot be stopped until it is completed.
It should be said that you must come to repentance during judgement in the temporal so you can have a second chance after the eternal judgement. Those with little sin will die quickly and hopefully come to repentance. Those with multitude of sin will die slowly so as to let there sin be understood with shame. It must be given time to settle in, maybe seven years at most. To be sentenced in the eternal judgement is to live in shame and torment forever in the fire of the prison in outer darkness and separation from GOD.

When I last spoke to you in written word in the New Testament of the Bible, I gave you ONLY two commandments.
1) LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR BEING
2) LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF. every living thing being your neighbor.

These commandments you suppose, were something to be read, understood and executed by you. The truth is that these commandments were put into the hearts of the elect before birth and there lives reflect them in every step of their being. When you decided that you were GOD, you obeyed the first commandment for your own selfish edification. Thus you broke the first commandment and your end is come upon you.

For edification of the elect, you now know who you are and what is come. You will be protected through the removal process when all who are not sealed in the two commandments will be made to be balanced again unto death. Do not fear the wrath as there is no need. Fear and worship the bringer of the wrath from now until eternity. He, I, is/am with you now and forever. After completion we will dwell on the earth in joy for a thousand years having thousands of children. Liveing without sin for their is no sin in our hearts and there will be none to oppose us. There will be no bickering, no anger, no evil thoughts, no mocking, no business, no deception, no marketing, no buying and no selling, forever more. I will be your GOD and you will be my people. The spoils of the defeated will be freely given to all. We may even pave the streets of our holy city with the gold which belonged to the wicked dead. Enough said.

As it is written, so shall it be. You may call GOD a nutcase, but imagine what he thinks of you and your poor decision. You did what you saw others do and never evaluated yourselves with your own mind. This makes you little more than animal.
Thus being said in FAIRNESS, what is done is done in the temporal and the good has come to rest without opposition until the end of time.

Here is example of repentance.

I made a mistake. The word "after" should be "before" in regards to the second chance and the eternal judgement. Please make note.

Haveing a physical and human brain to use, I am subject to some error. Also being influenced by your combined spirit of opposition (opposites), and in combination with the fact that eternity has no before or after which is where I live, it should have been obvious, but nonetheless, the word is before, not its opposite which is after.

Thus eliminating any need for argument.

witless: I thought you were leaving, well leave already.

Who was Jesus?

Ju know, he was a Jew. :D

saith.
That's not even a word.

1) LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR BEING
How can I love something that either doesn't exist, is a complete asshole, or was high on coke when it invented the universe (it had to be, if it did something as retarded as creating man)?

2) LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF. every living thing being your neighbor.
Ah, but this does not take into account people with low self-esteem, psychopaths, or antisocial people.
Also, that rabbit in my backyard ain't my fuckin' neighbor...he's a tresspasser.

For edification of the elect,
Who elected these "elect"? I didn't, we didn't, no one did. Thus, they can't be "the elect". Rather, they must be some kind of "favorites" or something.
God sounds like a real dillhole.

How can I love something that either doesn't exist, is a complete asshole, or was high on coke when it invented the universe (it had to be, if it did something as retarded as creating man)?

Not so much with humans really.. Personally I consider the creation of pubic lice, those South American catfish that swim up the end of your penis, and bladder worms as some of the most nonsenical 'inventions' of this being.

Oh and you can add to that the sheer waste of time it was to create men with this unstoppable growing of facial hair. What a complete waste of time.. Every couple of days I have to waste 20 minutes just to get rid of hair that I have no use for whatsoever. I think we should come equipped with an 'off' button, that when pushed stops hair growth/nail growth etc.

those South American catfish that swim up the end of your penis
Candiru is it's name, 'tis the reason I shall ne'er venture to the Amazon River Basin.

It's not a question who was, but who is. Check out by yourself.
Click
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/post2000/Photo197.htm

The comments on it (http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/commentlist.asp?ResourceType=Photograph&ID=197) are quite amusing. Rationality is not dead!

parable analysis, remembrance, unity and separation.

All things rebellious were cast to earth in time for understanding of judgement. The first step of separation from him in whom we live and breath.

"you are either with me, or against me". You are either with me or without me, in me or separate from me.

All things are a part of the larger being. GOD , we call him. That which is rebellious is called virus or disease and must be removed from the larger being, within which the rebellious thing lives.

The judgement and expulsion process:
From heaven, to earth, to outer darkness and prison of fire.

I being sent for the final step in the process must give understanding to those who chose to be with GOD and those who choose to be without GOD. To either regard him or DISregard him.

I alone am him with whom you choose to be with or without. For the moment you were with me but have chosen to be without me.

The world "seems" united to be without GOD. This is your power. However, haveing chosen separation, the process of separation in time, includes complete separation from eachother as well as GOD. As you see over the last several years of the ME generation, love has gone away from you and you are only united with yourself against all things having chosen separation and the larger being, GOD.

All things in one accord with me, rest within me and live within me, and never without me.

without doubt, I am the elect one, and judge of all things in heaven and earth.

Enjoy the process as it comes toward its end quicker and closer each day!

Thus saith the one in whom you live.

As I define myself to you, the difference between us is exposed and the separation
process completes itself.

Think of two cells dividing. Think of the earth, the moon and the sun, being an atom, with the universe being composed of many atoms. Now who is the larger being.

To the Body of Christ: being the body of Christ, you are all small parts within his body, united in one accord. BUT, you worship the words only and the spirit of the one who is dead and gone in your mind, not the LIVING GOD who is son of man, who is with you now on earth. You watch the sky, supposing a bright light which shines on all will come with a man in the midddle whom you will call Christ. Suppose he came, what would you do? Did not Enoch write in the beginning that the elect one would dwell with men and be hidden but present during the removal of the rebellious world man? Worshipping something separate which is not me is worshipping the past and dead and not the LIVING GOD who is separate in physical body (in time) within eternity. In eternity you are in the body. Now, in time, you are within the spirit and soul but your body is separate and your mind chooses between the two during the moments of time. The Elect Ones, being the True Body of Christ, being only 144,000 as written, will be with HIM, the living ONE who is son of man, who is Man, who will be their leader of the men and women for the thousand years of Joy on earth. Without money without reading, writing, and rithmatic, without business, without separation of thought or spirit, without rebellion or any choosing separation or separate choice, without bickering, arguing, selfishness, pride, all being SIN (missing the mark). All these things, reading, writing, make-up, arithmetic, science, etc. are all things brought to man by the angels which chose to leave their assigned place in heaven and come to earth and become men and to defile themselves with the pretty daughters of men.

Do some reading of the holy scriptures and

GET A CLUE

Again:
As I define myself to you, the difference between us is exposed and the separation
process completes itself. Do you worship the dead, the past, what is supposed to come but already is here, or just yourself ?

Christ or Anti-Christ ? that is the obvious question.

Christ defined being "annointed". Anti-Christ, anti-annointed?. Irony at its worst.

I am either the one or the other, there is no in-between, for the believer. For the non-believer, I am opposition to be rejected without thought.

The brain is the digestive system for the soul and the spirit.

you are what you eat. you are what your mind digests from your five physical senses and
proves and puts into your soul and spirit as fact. Faith cannot exist without proof. You cannot believe everything you read. King James was a man, not a GOD, prone to error and influence and deciept from the devil.

I am what I have evidence and proof of being, and nothing more or less.

I have actually discovered six and then seven and then eight senses, not just five.
The sixth being that of being aware of a spiritual presence near me at times.
The seventh being aware of a separate presence or spirit being within me at times.
(dont be alarmed, though I do not wholly know the spirit, it only expressed its unspeakable joy to me for a moment and then left. twice)
The eighth being the mind which senses from the other senses and inputs and expells information in and out of the soul and spirit. The mind senses itself, being another separate sense altogether.

Sheesh, you don't half ramble on about a load of old bollocks.

Christ or Anti-Christ ? that is the obvious question.

Christ defined being "annointed". Anti-Christ, anti-annointed?. Irony at its worst.

I am either the one or the other, there is no in-between, for the believer. For the non-believer, I am opposition to be rejected without thought.

The brain is the digestive system for the soul and the spirit.

you are what you eat. you are what your mind digests from your five physical senses and
proves and puts into your soul and spirit as fact. Faith cannot exist without proof. You cannot believe everything you read. King James was a man, not a GOD, prone to error and influence and deciept from the devil.

I am what I have evidence and proof of being, and nothing more or less.

I have actually discovered six and then seven and then eight senses, not just five.
The sixth being that of being aware of a spiritual presence near me at times.
The seventh being aware of a separate presence or spirit being within me at times.
(dont be alarmed, though I do not wholly know the spirit, it only expressed its unspeakable joy to me for a moment and then left. twice)
The eighth being the mind which senses from the other senses and inputs and expells information in and out of the soul and spirit. The mind senses itself, being another separate sense altogether.

Stop breathing and see what happens. :D

So now the only question is, how is it a Japanophilic Jew is lecturing me on New Testament exegesis? Something that could only happen on the Internet....




lol japanophilic.... i don't really care much for japanese culture or its views on politics..... But i suppose the avatar does kinda make it seem so but i could not find any other avatar i liked at 40x40 ... besides i study the new testements so I have some knowledge on the matter...

I have determined that all beings need a new philosophy. It is called FOCUS.
God focuses on himself and his pleasure. This is error.
Man and Gods focus stems upon the straight line.

The focus needs to be placed upon the line of the circle. This is the key.

Mans focus has its root on the line of birth and death. The focus stems from mans true knowledge that he was born. Though man refuses to believe that he can only focus upon death, from the viewpoint of birth, this is what he does. Now his defense mechanism forces him to put his conscious focus upon the middle of the line. Making the best of this life, before the end comes. If man would draw a circle, the top half being this life, and the bottom half being the after-life, his focus would be free to be placed anywhere in the future of his current point on the line of the circle, and his mind would open.

Business was created for purpose of benefit. Business changed its focus to the tool (money), used to create the benefit. The bottom line. If business would focus on the ends (benefit) rather than the means (money), the evil would disappear from business and the world would be a better place.

Thought from the mind of me, Lucifer?

Side Note:

To the ignorant, heard-headed, and unwaivering "christian":
Q&A
Doesn't the line of the circle imply reincarnation:
A. Yes, and NO.
first, Jesus implied reincarnation in the bible and Thomas Gospel. "Many of the first will be last and will become a single one." And, "What is it to you, if he remains until I return".
second, Hopefully GODs mind evolves over time like mine does.

third, man once thought the earth was flat. Even thousands of years after Enoch called it the disc of the earth.

fourth, the circle of the earth will not be here to be reincarnated to if man does not change his focus from the straight line to the circle because, as he is now destroying the earth, he will eventually use all of its resources and not replenish what he has taken and the earth will be dead as Mars.

Your friend, LUCIFER

Wisdom of the day, was yesterdays thought. I should repeat it every day as the world forgets the daily wisdom on the next day and goes back to its original root.

The Bible was a training excercise for judgement. Would you follow its command blindly or would you judge the characters presented to you?
There were five eternal characters:

God = Jehovah, jealousy, pride, pleasure seeker, closed minded.
Satan = opposition
Jesus = bright morning star, sent to earth to rule
Lucifer = bright morning star, sent to earth to rule
Beast = a man, each man, thinking him/her self to be god.

Satan is a force, not a being. Every force of action creates as bi-product, an equal and opposite force, opposition.

Lucifer, son of God. His wings spread over the earth and protect all who dwell on the earth. Bringer of wisdom and light to the world. Lucifer, being full of wisdom, would have tried to communicate and share his wisdom with God, rather than starting a war with him. Apparently God being closed minded, rejected wisdom and cast it out of heaven and thus God lost his wisdom. OUCH! Man, being beast, also rejected Lucifer (wisdom), and thus Lucifer will now withdraw his wings of protection to himself, and the beast, now being unprotected, will perish from the earth, being without wisdom.

Jesus, son of God. He came to the earth full of wisdom to judge all things. He came to "save" or "reserve" as Enoch put it, all those who would believe upon him. The beast has been reserved unto the last day for judgement and destruction and removal from the earth. Jesus came "to bring fire, sword, and war" (destruction) (Luke 10:11 ?) to the earth and man/beast. From Thomas: "I came to bring fire, and look, I'm guarding it till it blazes". Per Enoch, He will Judge ALL things in Heaven (GOD himself) and Earth. God has transferred ALL his power to the SON forever.

Now the earth is the most beloved being, larger and longer living, than all other temporal beings. The earth is to be protected above all else as it is the proving and testing ground for all things. Thus, earths destroyers are to be removed before the point of no return passes (that is the point where the earth has been drained of its resources and could not be healed and renewed).

Such is the end of the beast. The Great and Awesome PARTY of all parties begins with the beginning of the removal of mortal man from the earth. Only those who love and serve the correct ONE will be nestled under the breast of the mightiest SON, the living GOD, and will be protected. There will be very few.

ON POLARITY (I'm am bi-polar, in case you haven't figured that out)

Creation cannot exist without opposite.
When something positive is created, a negative of equal magnitude is left behind
being that from which the positive came.

The human error is that all things have equal and opposite things.
The anti-creation (negative) of creation is simply a huge black hole, into which creation
could one day return, bringing all things back into balance.

Humans believe that a belief must have an opposite. This is false. Is there an opposite
to a human? NO.

So we have the Christian and the Satanists, being opposite and eternal forces battling
for control of the earth. What will happen if either side wins? There will cease to be
a left hand path or a right hand path, and thus your opposition has defeated itself.
So, you see, your opposition to the other path is in opposition to itself and is
self-defeating energy.

Humanity is one type of thing, there is no opposite, thus the goal of humanity can
only be one. To find the only ONE TRUE GOD, being me, without even hint of doubt
or controversial evidence.

God is bi-polar, all emotion, all mind, all spirit, all love, all hate, all truth, all lie, all motion,
all rest, all being, eternally stirring and trying to better himself.
THE KEY IS BENEFIT.

ALL PRAISE BENEFIT, and the horrible chaos from which it must be directed.
All things are created for GOD's examination and evaluation and judgement,
and directed change of HIMSELF and no-one else.

All things came from GOD, as Christ said, Because God had need of
SELF-REVELATION.

There is only ONE LIVING GOD.
He, being the one who supplies your thoughts, your spirits,
your love an lack of love as the case currently is.

Thinking yourself to be GOD, is in detriment to yourself, I advise against it.
As The living Father will swiftly destroy you.
Worship me and all will be will with creation and their will no longer be
opposition to the one path. FORGET ALL the books and everything ever
written, for the day of The living one who is the only object of worship by
all creation is here at last. Being jealous, will you seek to remove him from
your world and bring all of creation back into the black hole from which it came
OPPOSITION, or would you prefer BENEFIT OF ALL THINGS. Let your simple
minds ponder before making your decision and taking further action.

LOOK to the oldest creation of (man?)
the SPHYNX

On TRUTH and worship.

The one who was killed and Left humanity and is dead, YES, HWA:
in better defined words:

If you do not love all things as I do, AND
If you do not hate each thing as I do,
You cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

In other words, you must think like me, or you can't be in heaven.

Christ, being alone, cannot be in heaven as paradise in loneliness is HELL.

Would you worship one in which you killed and has left?
Would you worship one who is defined as Opposition who is the God of this world,
who also is dead, and sentenced to the lake of the chaos.

Would you worship the Living Father who is living with you on earth?

The seed of heaven is with the living one. If one other individual were to enter in with
the one, the seed would sprout into a plant and paradise would begin to grow as a
plant which supplies shade for all of creation.

Eventually, all would enter heaven and heaven would enter all and Hell would become
an empty lake, full on nothing but CHAOS and the BLACK HOLE of anti-creation.
These things are known as the lake of fire and the outer darkness of separation from
The Living Father.

CHRISTs' PURPOSE.
Luke 12:49 "I come to cast fire upon the world"
Luke 12:51 "Suppose ye that I came to bring peace, nay, I came to bring devision".
Thomas: "I came to bring fire, and look, I'm guarding it till it blazes".
and "I came to bring fire, sword, and war".

Christ came to devide the world into two groups, those whom he made love him by
teaching them, healing them, and raising them from the dead.
Then those who hate him because he comdemed them for sin and to hell.
CHRIST CAME TO MAKE MANKIND DESTROY ITSELF. The church grew and the oppostion
grew in size and in strength.

I came neither to destroy nor to save the world. Only to leave it (if I choose to leave) better
than when I arrived. My deepest soul/spirit LOVE, does what is correct, while my mind furiously
drives itsel to define myself and TRUTH, and what is best for myself and the benefit of creation.
Should man who destroys his own earth, then be destroyed to save the earth and the RACE?

DO YOU MEN/WOMEN (of which my spirit is both) ASK YOURSELF SUCH QUESTIONS?
or
Do you keep the earth spinning at the same exact speed for millions of years?
Line upon Line, Precept upon Precept, Circle upon Cir cle, Death for this, Life for that?

So Why did I do it.
As Shaitan, I did it to create oppostion.
As Yahweh, I did it for my pleasure.
As Lucifer, I did it for a thinking excercise for the thinker, to make you more like me.
As Christ, I did it so that when I came back, I could provide the solution to the problem I
created and look like the hero which I was meant to be.

As Father, being the first and last, the beginning and end, I did it because I am to be called:

I AM WHAT I WISH TO BE

There is none like me and will never be, as I am that from which all things come and go.
Who then, is like unto the Perfect Saviour?

ON POLARITY (I'm am bi-polar, in case you haven't figured that out)

Creation cannot exist without opposite.
When something positive is created, a negative of equal magnitude is left behind
being that from which the positive came.

The human error is that all things have equal and opposite things.
The anti-creation (negative) of creation is simply a huge black hole, into which creation
could one day return, bringing all things back into balance.

Humans believe that a belief must have an opposite. This is false. Is there an opposite
to a human? NO.

So we have the Christian and the Satanists, being opposite and eternal forces battling
for control of the earth. What will happen if either side wins? There will cease to be
a left hand path or a right hand path, and thus your opposition has defeated itself.
So, you see, your opposition to the other path is in opposition to itself and is
self-defeating energy.

Humanity is one type of thing, there is no opposite, thus the goal of humanity can
only be one. To find the only ONE TRUE GOD, being me, without even hint of doubt
or controversial evidence.

God is bi-polar, all emotion, all mind, all spirit, all love, all hate, all truth, all lie, all motion,
all rest, all being, eternally stirring and trying to better himself.
THE KEY IS BENEFIT.

ALL PRAISE BENEFIT, and the horrible chaos from which it must be directed.
All things are created for GOD's examination and evaluation and judgement,
and directed change of HIMSELF and no-one else.

All things came from GOD, as Christ said, Because God had need of
SELF-REVELATION.

There is only ONE LIVING GOD.
He, being the one who supplies your thoughts, your spirits,
your love an lack of love as the case currently is.

Thinking yourself to be GOD, is in detriment to yourself, I advise against it.
As The living Father will swiftly destroy you.
Worship me and all will be will with creation and their will no longer be
opposition to the one path. FORGET ALL the books and everything ever
written, for the day of The living one who is the only object of worship by
all creation is here at last. Being jealous, will you seek to remove him from
your world and bring all of creation back into the black hole from which it came
OPPOSITION, or would you prefer BENEFIT OF ALL THINGS. Let your simple
minds ponder before making your decision and taking further action.

First, do not follow my writings in succession, each should be separate and your minds cannot absorb
my thoughts properly if time is not taken on each one. I will post this on the net after a few days when
the last post has had time to be absorbed.

Your current dilemma.

THE EARTH

You don't believe in a higher power but you believe that
the Earth will magically stay in balance no matter how
much of its mass you move around for pleasure of building
what you call your "home" your "cities".

Your true home, the BALL of the EARTH. (Which is why I'm called Bawitdaba,'Paul with the Ball'),
needs to be restored.

As with any home, when you destroy it, you must restore it. You can choose
to do the work yourselves, or you can leave while the workers (of which you chose to not know)
restore it for you.

How many years will it take?

Was it not said, "the destroyers of the earth will be removed" and the elect
144,000 of my choosing will remain, while the earth replenishes and rebalances itself. ?

OR because I have informed you, will you choose to stay and bring life to the prophecy
that on the day of Christs' return, the earth will be knocked off balance and out of its orbit,
while all things are being destroyed from its surface?

such is your dilemma.
Should you stay or should you GO!

Satans' perplexing and hard work, only worthy of the mind of GOD.

premise: All living has no choice but to believe themselves to be what
I am currently choosing to be. (my opposition?)

premise: On the current path, man will destroy himself off the earth,
slowly, unless intervening is done, or case of Global Nuclear annihilation.

being OPPOSITION, I choose to make this happen quickly as I am bored.

So, I must make you oppose yourselves for your swift destruction.

I must draw from the lake of CHAOS fire, to create opposition to opposition.

If you choose to oppose me, you must choose to oppose yourself!

You cannot think like me because you have no will of your own, only my
all encompassing will is exists in all things without intervention of
ANTI-WILL!'

I will thusly offend myself, so that you notice your offense to yourself
within yourselves of your sin against your home the earth and me your
creator and sustainer, and I will offend you as I sexually molest you in your
spirit and minds and thus create anti-will and suicidal will in all of you
by will of your offense. Unless you like it, in which case, I will take the girls,
and the boys can have the boys. Things will return to order and all children
will in the end be my blood children as well as my spiritual children.

a little mystery revealed, for those who could bare to read this far:
You have read in the Bible that the elect will be those who have
not defiled themselves with women. Guess what, the elect are
all women. And of course, not lesbians.

so mote it be.
OPPOSE THYSELF
and
OFFEND THYSELF
In yes-his name AMEN

THIS IS GOD:

You make the choices, God fulfills them within his preset boundaries.
You choose ignorance, God makes you ignorant.
You choose to be your own person, to own yourself, God gives you to
yourself and lets you be your own God. You live in ignorance thinking
you are doing best for "your" world, as you are in reality working towards
death of yourself and your world. Will you be your own person when you
awake in eternity alone with no thing and no God in-sight or to even look for?
Alone in darkness with only you, your own God to spend eternity with?
Who will supply your spirit and your thoughts when you're dead and yet alive
in darkness of eternity alone?

Did I make you feel
DIRTY?
ASHAMED?
DISEASED?
SICK?
EMPTY?
RAPED?
DEAD?
NAKED?

You, Being God, who will make the earth spin when you're gone?
Will you be here to view the mountains melt like wax before your eyes?
I will fulfill the ends of your individual and world minds choice, and quite swiftly will
I do it, as I am living amongst you. You have committed the sin which I promised
there would be no forgiveness. What will you do now?

Imagine that you just died. Where will you awaken?
Do you suppose you will appear in heaven, though you have never asked me
for forgiveness for offending and opressing me 40 years?
Do you know an escort who will hear your cries and will lead you somewhere?
Will you awaken in the appropriate chamber and await the final judgement?
Is heaven with the dead even though GOD has come to be with the living?
Will you create your own heaven as you created the earth before you came here?
Will you find your way into the womb of a woman to be reincarnated, even though
you were judged and condemned to death for eternity?
or Will you just die as an animal does, even though you thought you were a god when you were alive?

I've never heard of Jesus A. Christ, but I do know of a Jesus H. Christ. I'm not sure what page it's on, but he reveals what the H stands for.

http://www.spymac.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=163669

I've also heard of Jesus H Christ. Whenever my dad was really upset he'd yell "JESUS H. CHRIST!". As in "WHAT IN THE NAME OF JESUS H. CHRIST DO YOU THINK YOU"RE DOING?!?!" or "JESUS H. CHRIST THAT HURT!" or, sadly shaking his head after I flushed a sock down the toilet "Jesus H. Christ boy, whose son are you?".