Who turned off my signature?

I see my signature when I Preview my posts, but then it vanishes. I don't think I see it in old posts either, although I saw it before.

I checked my control panel, and everything checks out okay, show, use signature. So where is it?

Look here (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13125)

Well my signature worked before.

I have too many bills to keep up with now.

I don't want to pay to subscribe to anything else right now. I already subscribe to another forum service, where I host a forum, that has lots more forums, and a "My Forums" screen that gives me links to all my replies to me.

I have a job with mediocre pay and don't have time to be "nickled and dimed" by signing up to pay all sorts of websites for cute posting features.

telemarketer excuse: Taxes are too high, so I refuse/can't-afford to buy.

So why did my signature work before? Trial offer thing?

Besides, somebody on some other forum, said Paypal seized his online banking account "to use its awesome online de facto banking monopoly to stop effective Christian teachers, like me, from maximizing their Internet ministries." So I apparently need to boycott Paypal.

Paypal Seizes Contents of Online Bank (http://forums.delphiforums.com/prolifeviews/messages?msg=3341.1)

$%#(%^*$#(%*#$(*!!!!!!!!

Will people never fucking READ!??!?!?!!?!??!

I have a job with mediocre pay and don't have time to be "nickled and dimed" by signing up to pay all sorts of websites for cute posting features.

you should be happy you get to post at all. and greatful that someone else has decided to pay for you! Do you think the admin have lots of money to just throw around and dont mind the monthly fees they are charged while letting everyone else use sciforums for free?

while you do get the "cute" posting features, more importantly the money is a thank you to porfiry. This isn't cheap, and he doesn't ask for much in return.

I don't want to pay to subscribe to anything else right now. I already subscribe to another forum service, where I host a forum, that has lots more forums, and a "My Forums" screen that gives me links to all my replies to me. good. go there. You dontwant to pay for what you want. and i don'twant to listen to you whine about it.
Besides, somebody on some other forum, said
no comment needed.
"to use its awesome online de facto banking monopoly to stop effective Christian teachers, like me, from maximizing their Internet ministries." So I apparently need to boycott Paypal. apparently? you do't really know? just having an urge based on no real information at all?
but now i am left wondering if you carry yourself around with the same "perfect christian" attitude without any ablility to think for yourself our do anything but whine. If so, i can't wait to see the replies to some of your other posts.
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what happened to Porfiry's Avatar?


PS: hey, Nightfall,

...how's the ol' Atko diet going???;)

I wonder if he does his offerings to the church the same way?

Is it me or did the subscription rate go up a dollar?

Originally posted by NightFall
you should be happy you get to post at all. and greatful that someone else has decided to pay for you! Do you think the admin have lots of money to just throw around and dont mind the monthly fees they are charged while letting everyone else use sciforums for free?

Yes, I am happy I get to post at all. The reason why forums should allow free posting, and for people to at least read-only before registering, is to attract new members/potential-customers.

Should people get to watch TV for free? But of course. If I had to pay for every program I watch on TV, I wouldn't have a TV. It wouldn't be worth the bother. So of course I don't complain about most of the advertisements, as long as they aren't too offensive. As the advertisers are glad to pay for me. I don't mind seeing banner ads, on a "free" website, as obviously not all websites can be entirely "free?" Somebody has to pay something.

One reason why at least general forum features should be free, is that computers do not cost much for the few seconds per user that they process data. Electricity is cheap. Memory is getting pretty cheap too. What costs money now, is the computer servers (which still cost just as much to sit idle without users), and the maintenance and software upgrades. Therefore not everybody should pay, but rather the advertisers, and if that really isn't enough, then the people who use the forums the most, who apparently then, loggically, wouldn't "mind" paying, especially if they get bonus features that actually do tie up server bandwidth or memory all the more. Computer resource intensive features like website space, or video/audio chat, etc. Or unusually high frequency of posting, or "long" signatures. My signature was very short, just a link to my forum.

Please understand, I was not complaining about not having a signature, but about a bug in the software which caused my signature to mysteriously disappear. Now if "Show Signature" was grayed out, along with a tiny link such as "Sign up to have a signature," then I would have had little reason to complain. As I wouldn't have to inquire why my signature quit working.

Originally posted by NightFall
while you do get the "cute" posting features, more importantly the money is a thank you to porfiry. This isn't cheap, and he doesn't ask for much in return.

Originally posted by NightFall
good. go there. You dontwant to pay for what you want. and i don'twant to listen to you whine about it..

Don't you get it? I have forum members on my forum who are "free" members, so I probably in effect pay for their usage. I am willing to pay, because I spend so much time there, that having to pay for the features is not that bad a value, even though I wish I could have them for free. The "free" members would not pay if they had to. They would just leave and move to free forums, or the Internet would die a slow "nickle and diming" death. It's not like I am consuming anything tangible or making anybody work. So it shouldn't cost much more than the banner ad revenue. If my own computer had forum software on it, and an alway-on connection, I would simply leave it on most all the time, if that's what it took to allow people to use forums or my website for free. Of course I would try to sell something tangible somewhere, once I learn how, to make some money off the deal. Put a handy link to "the store" on every screen. The computer servers do most all the work automatically. Just like my "free" forum members don't want to pay on my forum and other forums on the servers, I don't want to pay here. I can't afford to be a paying member of every club. I would like to subscribe to cable TV and the magazine subscriptions I like, but don't, because I don't have the money, can't manage any more monthly bill paying, or don't have the time for them. My TV has its original "bunny ears" antenna on it. I can't find all my bills in the midst of the junk mail. And of course I don't buy that liberal junk about if I watch PBS without paying, or walk out of the room during TV commercials that I am somehow "stealing." Huh?

Computers operate so cheaply there is no need to be "greedy" and bill people by the minute, or anything like that.

Originally posted by NightFall
no comment needed.
apparently? you do't really know? just having an urge based on no real information at all?
but now i am left wondering if you carry yourself around with the same "perfect christian" attitude without any ablility to think for yourself our do anything but whine. If so, i can't wait to see the replies to some of your other posts.
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Customers do not need any real "proof" to boycott a company. One bad experience that the company didn't bother to resolve, story heard from a friend, is all it takes to scare people into not spending their scarce money.

ahh
you are the guy who wants humans fucking like bunnies and making babies by the dozen

welome to sciforums, o insane one!

Well my signature worked before.

bullshit. works in preview but not otherwise

__________________
the more i learn the less i know

When the internet, bandwidth, music, and programs are free then there will be no need of charging. Till then it takes dollars to run a large site. If you are too cheap to contribute then you have a choice, make the best of it or go elsewhere. Moaning and groaning won't change anything except to put more people who do help support the site against you. Welcome to reality...

2.99 a month is such a low amount, it amazes me how many people whine about it. I mean really, we're talking less than 0.10 cent a day.

after inflation is factored in, it goes up by a buck
;)

Originally posted by wet1
When the internet, bandwidth, music, and programs are free then there will be no need of charging. Till then it takes dollars to run a large site. If you are too cheap to contribute then you have a choice, make the best of it or go elsewhere. Moaning and groaning won't change anything except to put more people who do help support the site against you. Welcome to reality...

My, those are some expensive electrons. It's not like I would be consuming something tangible or running up somebody's labor hours?

Most websites are "free" until a person buys something tangible.

You can go in a restaurant and get a glass of water for free.

We get "free" TV programming, just to get us "in the store" to watch the commercials, and hopefully buy something so we can help pay.

I do contribute. I pay a fee to for the main forum server I use that covers all of the special features of all the forums on their servers.

I would probably refuse to pay the fee, if other users couldn't post for free, because everybody would leave, and the forums would dry up, so why would I still want to run a deserted forum there then? I even posted a post telling "free" users how to use some of the features they had before for "free" before they were crippled, that I found on another forum there. If people are too willing to pay, we will probably see more "crippleware" going on? People pay too much to watch TV, because they are too willing to pay. Better to buy books. They are a better value, and one can learn far more. And the media is so hungry for customers, they would have to drop prices if they though high prices were losing them money. As their fixed expenses do not increase with more customers, but their revenues do.

I thought I explained why I can't subscribe to everything.

I don't like the idea of crippleware (software with many features that don't work, just because some mean person has "crippled" them), but had it been clear why a signature that shows in my Preview doesn't appear in posts, I wouldn't have complained. I was of course wondering if I was doing something wrong, or if the server was having software problems, because I saw my signatures before. I don't have time to keep track of bills to a dozen forum servers.

I have paid shareware fees, because I like the concept of "shareware" software. I even paid the $5 shareware fee for a little Calendar desk accessory program. Because, although it didn't really do a whole lot, I used it a whole lot, and thought its value to me to be worth more than $5. And I could pay but 1 time and be done with it. Some programmer sent me back the code to deactivate the shareware reminder, and I didn't even get around to entering it, because the program wasn't "crippleware." It wasn't essential. If I write some programs I would like to sell, I want to try shareware. Rather than "crippleware," I like the "reminder-ware" approach. All features enabled, but a reminder pops up every time the program is used, to "register" it and pay the shareware fee. What do I care if they keep using it without paying? It doesn't cost me anything for them to use it if they wouldn't have paid anyway. Rather, I want to remind people to pay, so I can have the time to write such programs full-time, as my only job. And I want them to copy it and give it to their buddies, so I can get more potential customers, and make more people's lives a little easier or more pleasant. So their choice buttons on the reminder dialog is Pay "Now" or "Later." I had one trial game that only came with 20 uses. I think I deleted it long before I used them all, because a program that "wears out," is a waste of space on my hard drive. Too many better programs to choose from.

I wasn't insisting that I need a signature. I was asking why isn't my signature working. Now I know the answer. sciforums uses "crippleware" that isn't well documented so that newbies here, can understand what is going on.

I still see the wrong message on the signature checkbox. It says that only "registered users" may have signatures. Well I am "registered" ... Shouldn't it read "paying users?"

Originally posted by static76
2.99 a month is such a low amount, it amazes me how many people whine about it. I mean really, we're talking less than 0.10 cent a day.

Yeah, no problem at all for rich people who have accountants to pay all their bills, and make sure the bills don't sit in a pile until they are late.

Let's see, I pay $20 a month for dial-up ISP, + $5 a month for my main forum services, + "free" for other lesser used forums, and you claim I only have to pay $3 more? How long until I am paying $100 for all Internet-related stuff, paying to every website?

Nah, I have a different theory why it went up to $3.99 a month.

Too many people signed up, so they thought they could squeeze another $12 out of us, per year. Just for using a few cheap electrons. (automated computer data)

Originally posted by Pronatalist
Yeah, no problem at all for rich people who have accountants to pay all their bills, and make sure the bills don't sit in a pile until they are late.

Instead of buying one fast food meal next month, save that 4-5 bucks and use it on sciforums...

*Takes a bite of caviar and tells maid to run him a bath*

Let's see, I pay $20 a month for dial-up ISP, + $5 a month for my main forum services, + "free" for other lesser used forums, and you claim I only have to pay $3 more? How long until I am paying $100 for all Internet-related stuff, paying to every website?
The Internet's advertising revenues have collapsed because of free-loaders who want everything for free. Look at how many users use sciforums and imagine how much it costs to support his place.


:m:

PS: hey, Nightfall,
...how's the ol' Atko diet going??? , lol i quit before my liver burst, me kidneys failed and my heart beat itself to death. but on the lighter side every pound i lost stayed off. i will probably keep it as a back up for those short notice events. lol. thanks for askin. :)
Is it me or did the subscription rate go up a dollar? inflation. -would be a smiley sticking out his toungue here but i ran out of emoticons-
It's not like I am consuming anything tangible or making anybody work. So it shouldn't cost much more than the banner ad revenue. of course, becuase one person doesn't make a difference.:rolleyes: Now if "Show Signature" was grayed out, along with a tiny link such as "Sign up to have a signature," then I would have had little reason to complain. As I wouldn't have to inquire why my signature quit working. most of us figure that a sticky on every page as well as the banner that is an inch think that has a header including avatars and signatures would do the trick.
Would you pay an admission fee for the priviledge of entering a restaurant or store? it happens all the time. its called a cover charge.
Yeah, no problem at all for rich people who have accountants to pay all their bills, and make sure the bills don't sit in a pile until they are late. hah! you think im rich? im a 7th month nail tech. i make $600/month! my rent is $200, my supplies and other bills are about $125. that leaves me with $275 for lunch, gas, car parts (frequent but cheaper than a new car + insurance), credit card, and a little moeny tward classes. I can't pay all the time, but i do what i can. its not that difficult.
Instead of buying one fast food meal next month, save that 4-5 bucks and use it on sciforums...hey... thats a really good idea.. every time i go to fast food i stick a dollar in my glove box. at the end of the month ill deposit... this could be the next best thing since atkins!:D

My, those are some expensive electrons. It's not like I would be consuming something tangible or running up somebody's labor hours?

Well, I'm obviously not the one setting prices on bandwidth. If you want to go rant to my internet provider about the cost of electrons, best of luck to you.

you claim I only have to pay $3 more

You don't have to pay. Isn't that obvious?

I'm not sure why you're writing so much on such a simple issue. If sciforums did not have a revenue stream, it would be shut down. So if you want it to be totally free, then you don't really want it to exist at all. Even as it is, sciforums is not making a profit and it's certainly not breaking even.

are you seriously in the red? :(

by that I meant are you in the red by a significant margin, or is there some way the present situation may be turned around?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/newbie6.jpg

Originally posted by static76
Instead of buying one fast food meal next month, save that 4-5 bucks and use it on sciforums...

Save what $5?

I already don't eat out, unless I have to to be with family or something.

I am already about as frugal as I know how to be.

And I already pay my dues to another forum service, with lots more posters, lots more forums, and lots more features, where I host a forum.

Why should I pay to post? I should be paid to post. I have to pay for the priviledge of posting my essays for people to read for free and pay me nothing?

I probably should be a radio talk show host. If I made as much money as Rush Limbaugh (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com), I would probably have to pay for every piddly website that wants to charge me something, as I wouldn't have time to deal with crippleware? Of course I wouldn't write the check. I would direct my accountants to pay them for me.

Originally posted by static76
*Takes a bite of caviar and tells maid to run him a bath*

Caviar? Maid? What's that? I know what a bathtub is. At least I have one of those.

Originally posted by static76
The Internet's advertising revenues have collapsed because of free-loaders who want everything for free. Look at how many users use sciforums and imagine how much it costs to support his place.

:m:

Nonsense. It collapsed because of a gold-rush mentality in which everybody thought the Internet was the trendy thing, and all the money would just come pouring in. Many websites still make money. My gas logs came from a website, when my Dad found the same exact same model on some website for less money than the store was selling it for. Guess who he ordered my gas logs from? After the store showed me the gas logs all hooked up in their showroom.

And I just saw something about a whole 99 active members on sciforums?

Huh? Maybe if they gave out all the software features for free, they could make their money off banner ads to 1000+ "freeloaders" rather than squeezing a dozen people to sign up to pay, to talk to well under 100 people?

The only way I found this little itty bitty place, is by a search engine search for a few keywords. And being a sucker for free forums where I can pontificate about stuff, I stuck around a little. But there are at least a half dozen forums I poll around on once in a while, to see what is going on. Most don't even offer to sign people up for money, and I couldn't afford to pay all of them. There are thousands of forums on the forum server I do pay for, that I don't have time to visit. If I had to pay, perhaps I would just be locked in the region for which I had paid, and there would be slim pickings for potential customers for paid member forums.

If I started a forum server, I would probably link it to some store, and use the forums, as bait to keep people near the store in hopes they would buy something. It's probably cheaper than advertising. I wouldn't use any annoying pop-ups or pop-under ads, but would use banner ads, and perhaps even dummy advertising posts, that insert themselves between posts. You don't pay, you get to see ads. That's how "free" TV has worked for decades. You get most perks, but get to see ads too. You don't pay, the advertisers will be glad to pay for you, and at least I can make some money from them. I don't see the point of crippleware, unless it costs me extra to let you use that perk. Just like "free" email websites give limited mailbox space, but give a larger mailbox for people who pay. They don't have to charge for every little feature, but just for more memory space reserved for you, on their hard drives? Promptly delete or read or download all your spam, and you keep your "freeloader" costs under what the banner advertisers will pay for. Oh, I think "free" email websites sell your email address to advertisers, but then they don't make you read those emails. I have 2 email addresses I pay for, and 2 that websites gave me for "free."

Originally posted by NightFall
... it happens all the time. its called a cover charge.

Cover charge? What's that? I don't go to bars that try to get rich off of promoting drug abuse (alcohol).

Originally posted by NightFall
hah! you think im rich? im a 7th month nail tech. i make $600/month! my rent is $200, my supplies and other bills are about $125. that leaves me with $275 for lunch, gas, car parts (frequent but cheaper than a new car + insurance), credit card, and a little moeny tward classes. I can't pay all the time, but i do what i can. its not that difficult.
hey... thats a really good idea.. every time i go to fast food i stick a dollar in my glove box. at the end of the month ill deposit... this could be the next best thing since atkins!:D

I use direct deposit, and shop and spend almost as little as possible, and still I don't run up my savings very fast, because the pay, after taxes (Uggg!), is so low.

:( I think it terrible how the modern technology is being used to promote a class divide between rich and poor, in which the poor are locked out of features that don't cost anything to be shared with them, like cable TV channels, etc.

A few more electrons wouldn't cost anything. Caller ID equipment for telephones cost nothing more to allow more customers to use it, but they deny service, just for not paying premium costs, to *paying* customers!

Now on the flip side, technology has also made more things available to the poor, like even people without computers can get on the Internet at the library or their friend's house.

Originally posted by bhudmaash
are you seriously in the red? :(

by that I meant are you in the red by a significant margin, or is there some way the present situation may be turned around?

Well I guess I could say my forum is running "in the red," as I have to pay on another server, for enough priviledges to run it (after they baited and switched me, having created my forum when it was free), and make no money off of it.

But then I want to keep it open, and make my money from my regular lousy job.

I am an entreprenuer wanna-be, and as such, I realize that not everything has to make me money, at least not right away, as long as I have enough income stream to cover all the things I still want to try that are currently still "losing money."

After all, he who dies with the most money, is probably not really the winner.

(a take-off of "He who dies with the most toys, wins.")

Someday, I will probably invent something really great, and some Bill Gates wanna-be will steal my idea, and make most of the money from it?

Oh well, such is life. At least all those people will get to use my invention and have their lives improved that way. Even if I don't get right away all I deserve.

Originally posted by Pronatalist
whine...whine...whine...

Or at least thats what I am hearing. We're all have to pay our dues. I'm in college living completely off my assistant researcher job and scholarships I earned in Highschool. I don't have a great deal of money. Yet I can afford to pay for this wonderful site. It's a place I draw a lot of enjoyment out of. Plus, you don't need to pay to post, you need to pay to have a signature. No one is asking for money, they're inviting you to donate. There's a difference.

-AntonK

Originally posted by Pronatalist
Save what $5?

I already don't eat out, unless I have to to be with family or something.

I am already about as frugal as I know how to be.

Your not frugal, your cheap...

And I already pay my dues to another forum service, with lots more posters, lots more forums, and lots more features, where I host a forum.
Once again with the whining. It's $3 bucks, you can't save that amount once a month???

Why should I pay to post? I should be paid to post. I have to pay for the priviledge of posting my essays for people to read for free and pay me nothing?
Actually, I think you should be paid NOT to post...:D

Why should I pay to post?

<font size="+6"><b>You don't.</b></font>

After all, he who dies with the most money, is probably not really the winner.

Neither is the one who dies with the least money. And as much as I'd love to keep paying money from my own pocket to finance your inane whining, that would just be stupid.