Please rad the pretty shocking New in Pictures on BBC's site :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_shooting_in_tal_afar/html/1.stm

So, if one of those children turn out to be a terrorist when they grow up..who is guilty? The child or the soldiers who caused thie unfortunute incident?

:m: Neither.

simple, err... too simple answer.
WHY? Do you think that neither of them is guilty
The soldiers can say that they were following orders...but then this reminds me of the movie "A few good man" and Bush's speech before the war where he said that "i was following orders" will not be taken as an excuse.

The parents were maybe afraid to stop when they saw "enemy" soldiers with guns pointed at them.

Complicated..but the only real thing is that those children will have a horrible time growing up with hate and revenge emotions (if they can survive)

simple, err... too simple answer.
WHY? Do you think that neither of them is guilty
The soldiers can say that they were following orders...but then this reminds me of the movie "A few good man" and Bush's speech before the war where he said that "i was following orders" will not be taken as an excuse.

The parents were maybe afraid to stop when they saw "enemy" soldiers with guns pointed at them.

Complicated..but the only real thing is that those children will have a horrible time growing up with hate and revenge emotions (if they can survive)

but the only real thing is that those children will have a horrible time growing up with hate and revenge emotions (if they can survive

they can join the 100 of 1000's of their "brothers" affected as such in the ME, whether displaced, killed, or rotting in some refugee camp.
Then we can all blame it on some ancient philosophy called "islam"

...besides they're all dirty Arab savages any way right?
:rolleyes:

overdose:

can you give your definition or terrorist within this context?

goofy:

I think you're wrong.
guilt in this case is inextricable linked with responsibility. Are you saying that no one is responsible for the the situation inwhich those soldiers had to be there in the first place? and by the situation where those soldiers had to be present, I don't mean at that particular place, I mean on a more wider level, ie: in the whole of iraq.

I did not say that no one was responsible.
But neither the children nor the soldiers are
to blame for the current situation. Those
were the only choices we were given here.

:m: Peace.

A father with a car load of his own children ignored the hand signals and warning shots thereby attracting the direct firing?!! don't you think this is an absurd military explanation for the troop firing?

there was at least one case of iraqis misinterpreting US soldiers' shouting and waving hands as signs of celebration a/ Saddam being gone
the driver kept driving, beeping, and getting a hail of bullets from the Marines manning the checkpoint

f&*king stupid deaths. all marines should've had cultural training before hitting the field

Explain to me how to make giving a hundred thousand soldiers advanced cultural training for each country they are likely to go into feasable, especially given little notice and without billions of extra dollars. Now tell me who the hell has ever been able to do that.

The soldiers are responsible for the deaths of the parents, for the children's loss, and responsible for the children becoming terrorists if that happens. Not only the soldiers but Republicans in general are responsible. Of course any American is liable to pay for this in practice. Trigger-happy thugs is what these soldiers are. The Republicans who put them there are hoping to profit from Iraq. Hard to understand how they can live with themselves.