Why do people call him an evil dictator?
What evil acts has he done?
Is he corrupt?


He seems to be doing a hell of alot of good for Venezuela.

"Why do people call him an evil dictator?"

He's a socialist, he doesn't kowtow to Washington, and he has a firm grasp on a number of short and sensitive North-American economic hairs. The people calling him an evil dictator are somewhat dishonestly expressing their discomfort and fear.

That is what I had figured. He doesn't seem to be corrupt in any way. He refers to GW Bush as the devil. He is right.

He's a socialist, he doesn't kowtow to Washington, and he has a firm grasp on a number of short and sensitive North-American economic hairs. The people calling him an evil dictator are somewhat dishonestly expressing their discomfort and fear.



Hell, I'd have discomfort and fear is this fucknut got on the security council, something is currently pushing for. Doesn't help us that he's buying support with his oil money. When asked about it he said "I want to radically oppose the US"


He is a serious threat. He's slowly moving toward a communist state as he is trying to combine all his parties supporters into one mega party, with its party members automatically re-elected and him at the helm.

So what? If it's for the best of his nation, more power to him. Nevermind what the US says, socialism is pretty good.
And if he rid the country free from the US oil megacorps - cool!

He is a serious threat.
That says it all. That is probably why the media has blown him out of proportion.
Castro, somebody that kills you for saying the wrong thing, is a dictator.

Chavez might be as crooked as Billy Clinton, but he nonetheless is doing an excellent job at reforming his country, and progressing towards the betterment of South America.

"He is a serious threat" are the lines the media has us regurgitating. He is a threat to the United States control over South American resourced.

i like Chavez.

-MT

he nonetheless is doing an excellent job at reforming his country, and progressing towards the betterment of South America.

Doing an excellent job ?
He is sitting on $60/barrel oil which is what funds his foolishness.
Like a trust fund liberal, he can afford to destroy his people's economy becasue he lives like a dictator king [yes they elected him, but half of Russians would bring back Stalin and he exterminated 25 million of his own people thru starvation].

Chavez is nationalizing everything he can.
Communism and Socialism have been discredited now for 20 years. Countries moving toward markets and away from Statism are improving their living standards [India, Bolivia, Chile, Mayalsia, UK, Ireland, China].

Chavez is an egomaniacal leader who recenty moved to abolish term limits so he can be an dictator indefinitely.

Who is Chavez:?
Chavez is what Venezuela deserves.

Chavez is a pimple on America's ass.

America has a fat ass, and when that pimple starts to itch, will it's arms be long enough to scratch it?

...he lives like a dictator king ...Chavez is nationalizing everything he can. ... Communism and Socialism have been discredited now for 20 years. ... Chavez is an egomaniacal leader ...On how he lives:
I know of few kings who drive themselves in an old VW beetle car and are so loved and trusted by their masses that they have passes out 30,000 AK 47s to the people’s militia to insure that US does not try to invade. - He trusts them and they trust him.

On Nationalization:
Yes, he is taking ownership back to Venezuela (and much of the profits) but unlike the old USSR, letting industry experts, instead of government bureaucrats, even many foreign and US ones, run the nationalized industries. All of the 6 or 7 international oil companies, including the last holdout US's Conico, have now agreed to the new contracts and will continue to manage current oil production and new field developments, but with Governments (and some on loan from Brazil's Petrobras) making overruling decisions. (How this all works out, what the former owners will be paid for their investments, etc. is still in state of flux. In Bolivia the tables have exactly turned. Now Bolivia keeps 82% of profit and foreigners get 18%, instead of their old 82% - Perhaps that will be the division in Venezuela.)

On Com. & Soc.:
Yes, he is trying to throw out capitalistic control, and make "21st Century Socialism." For example, in Brazil there are many landless farmers and huge unproductive regions held by a few historic families. With vote and occupations, demonstrations etc, these landless masses have forced the redistribution of many large holding, even productive ones. Many fail as farmers and soon the lands are back in a few hands.
Chavez is doing this land reform slightly differently. The landless get their farms but not ownership of the land. That remains with the state. If they fail as farmers, they go back to being landless and some other landless person is give the chance to make the small a farm a success. I think he has a better plan than Brazil. In any case the families that were given areas larger than New England states 300 years ago, should not still hold vast regions unproductive, while many landless are nearly starving, living under bridges etc. in the cities, IMHO.

On his personality:
He sees himself as a great liberating (from US power and control) leader. He wants to be the new "Simon Bolivar," who liberated South America from Spanish power and control a couple of centuries ago. I.e. He repudiates the US right to control South America claimed in the Monroe Doctrine.

Who is Chavez? A threat to Washington.

the great latino hope.

the great latino hope.

Hope for what? He's done virtually nothing for the poor people of Venezula to date. What makes you believe his bullshit rhetoric? Blind faith and hope???

Baorn Max

Chavez is a thug dictator. We should tell him and his oil to go to hell. He exists only because Venez has oil which we buy a lot of. He knows he can impress his tyrant friends around the world by telling us off and getting away with it because we need his oil.

I think we should drill ANWR, FL, and the rest of our own oil-rich areas.

Commie Chavez plans to get rid of a Venezuelan TV station purely because it opposes his ideological beliefs.:rolleyes:

He calls capitalism the road to hell. What a moron.:( Capitalism is the one economic system responsible for getting more of the world's people out of poverty than any other in history.

I could go on for days about Chavez but he is not worth my time.

Chavez is a thug dictator. We should tell him and his oil to go to hell. He exists only because Venez has oil which we buy a lot of. He knows he can impress his tyrant friends around the world by telling us off and getting away with it because we need his oil.

I think we should drill ANWR, FL, and the rest of our own oil-rich areas.

Commie Chavez plans to get rid of a Venezuelan TV station purely because it opposes his ideological beliefs.:rolleyes:

He calls capitalism the road to hell. What a moron.:( Capitalism is the one economic system responsible for getting more of the world's people out of poverty than any other in history.

I could go on for days about Chavez but he is not worth my time.Why couldn't the 50 years + of rightwing dictatorships help Venezuela's people? Why is there still poverty after a half century of rightwing leadership? Oil companies got a sweeet deal from the rightist thugs that ran Venezuela for so long. The Gravy Train has come to a stop. Long Live Chavez!

He's done virtually nothing for the poor people of Venezula to date. ...Hard to believe even you are so ill informed.

Most of them never saw a doctor, not even a nurse at a clinic before Chavez came to power. Now even small villages have free clinics, staffed by well trained Cuban doctors. Etc. for dozens of other basic things, like eating every day and having a steady job, probably in one of the thousands of small government manufacturing cooperatives. They are part of the reason the GDP growth of Venezuela was second only to China in 2006 and probably will be the highest in the world in 2007 as China is trying to slow its growth.

It is little wonder he can pass out 30,000 AK-47 to these people, who are so thankful to him that they will die using them against any one who tries to take him down, especially invading Americans. - His anti-US rhetoric is mainly for this home crowd, - It is what they want to hear.

A few more equally ignorant posts and you will become the only one on my ignore list - I do not want to waste my time reading such ignorance.

Communism and Socialism have been discredited now for 20 years.
Capitalism has been discredited for more than a hundred years? Nobody cares.
Furthermore, you have no basis. Anybody can discredit anything for any number of years they want.

Chavez is mad. I like him.

Hard to believe even you are so ill informed.
YEah, right.

Socialist despot Chavez just took over the last privately owned oil field in Venezuela. :mad:

Who does the oil belong to?

Obviously, to the American people.... :)

Socialist despot Chavez just took over the last privately owned oil field in Venezuela. :mad:

research a bit.
this was done with the consent of the operators of said fields.

are you really this stupid?

Hope for what? He's done virtually nothing for the poor people of Venezula to date.
Wrong. That sounds alot like republican rhetoric. I listened to the republican radio station a few times, and they never talk about anything significant. All I was listening to was a psychological brainwashing campaign.

Socialist despot Chavez just took over the last privately owned oil field in Venezuela. :mad:Poor oil barons:( They have to share their stolen billions now.

Let the rise of the Dictator begin

Venezuela enabling Chavez's dictatorial goals, says critic ...
Lawmakers in Venezuela have unanimously approved an "enabling law" that gives President Hugo Chavez special power to decree changes to the country's oil, ...
http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/02/venezuela_enabling_chavezs_dic.php

Lawmakers in Venezuela have unanimously approved an "enabling law" that gives President Hugo Chavez special power to decree changes to the country's oil, gas, and electricity industries. Apart from that, Chavez is nationalizing all the major sectors of the economy, and plans over the next 18 months to transform "social matters" and public life in the oil-rich nation. Associated Press quotes critics who say the move "propels Venezuela toward dictatorship" in much the same way that Fidel Castro monopolized leadership in Cuba years ago.

One step down three to go.

2. create a one-party state out of a multi-party state [and] he's amending the constitution to eliminate presidential term limits."

3. stifling freedom of speech, [and]

4. making his court system less independent."



He is in good company, isn't this the way that Hitler took over Germany,

Rise of the Nazis in Germany
This law granted Hitler the right to:. make laws w/out Reichstag approval; make treaties w/ foreign states w/out Reichstag approval ...
http://www.revision-notes.co.uk/revision/25.html

And yet, American won't do anything about it. Why? Because America is a happy customer of Venezuela's oil. Americans can complain as much as they like. As long as the oil is flowing, Americans won't do CRAP about Chavez and his dictatorial rise.

Of course, once Chavez (inevitably) starts diversifying his customer base and concentrates more on the Latin American countries and China, THEN America will do something about it.

terryoh

So your advising that we go down there and kick Chavez's ass? remove him from power?

terryoh

So your advising that we go down there and kick Chavez's ass? remove him from power?The US again deposing a democratically elected leader to be replaced with a rightwing military junta. BR, are you not aware that is how we drove Latin politics to the Left? Do you not realize strongarming other countries in this hemisphere emboldens anti American sentimemt in the region? The old days of Empire have passed my friend.

Republicans have been pushing to drill ANWR, FL, and our other oil-rich areas but the whiney-@ss liberals won't have it.:mad:

Republicans have been pushing to drill ANWR, FL, and our other oil-rich areas but the whiney-@ss liberals won't have it.:mad:Republicans have had 7 years running every aspect of the government and it's policies. "Liberals" have been out of power since. Why is it the oil barons and your party (GOP) Party of God haven't accomplished anything since 2000? You had a blank slate. No terrifying "liberals" to blame for the failure of Party of God policies.
Truth is the American People are opposed to handing over our national parks and wild areas to the oil barons. ANWAR, according to scientists and some drilling contractors has limited reserves, not worth the billions it would cost to tap it, then run dry in less than a decade.
Nope Sandy, you can't always run for your "Blame the Liberulls!" card every time your party unveils failure after failure after failure. It is your party that fell out of favor with the American people.

I'm not exactly happy with the Republican party either right now. They have been pathetic on immigration and spending.:(

The liberals are against drilling ANWR, FL and all the other areas yet they are b!tching the loudest about gas prices.:confused:

I am mostly concerned about keeping my fellow Americans alive while there is raw evil plotting our demise.:eek:

I'm not exactly happy with the Republican party either right now. They have been pathetic on immigration and spending.:(

The liberals are against drilling ANWR, FL and all the other areas yet they are b!tching the loudest about gas prices.:confused:

I am mostly concerned about keeping my fellow Americans alive while there is raw evil plotting our demise.:eek:There is more to America than Republicans and liberals. You do realize liberalism died with LBJ don't you? Now it's just a term to label anyone that doesn't line up behind neocons. Alot more people than the few liberals left in this country are against drilling in our parks and wildlands you know. There aren't enough true liberals in North America to stop the oil industry! It's not popular with the public.
BTW the US gets it's oil from Mexico and Nigeria. Both US backed rightist corrupted governments in bed with the barons. You should be happy.

Genji

The US again deposing a democratically elected leader to be replaced with a rightwing military junta. BR, are you not aware that is how we drove Latin politics to the Left? Do you not realize strongarming other countries in this hemisphere emboldens anti American sentimemt in the region? The old days of Empire have passed my friend.

Buffalo Roam
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Today, 06:32 PM #27

It is the Path of Hitler, he started out as a elected leader.

Genji



Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior User (4,353 posts)
Today, 06:32 PM #27

It is the Path of Hitler, he started out as a elected leader.Do you run for that card every time someone you dislike is in charge somewhere? Gotta do a helluva lot better than that. BTW I have more posts than you:D

Genji, and least sense, in those post, hell when you started on this site you couldn't even link citation or sites, post count don't mean a thing, quality of those post do, I could run my post count with a bunch of one lines that make no logic, but I leave that to you.

Genji, and least sense, in those post, hell when you started on this site you couldn't even link citation or sites, post count don't mean a thing, quality of those post do, I could run my post count with a bunch of one lines that make no logic, but I leave that to you.I HAVE MORE POSTS INFINITY!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Genji

I HAVE MORE POSTS INFINITY!!!!!!!!!!!!

And a vacuum between your ears, total emptiness, void, endless space.

Obviously, to the American people.... :)

Well obviously!!

Do you run for that card every time someone you dislike is in charge somewhere? Gotta do a helluva lot better than that. BTW I have more posts than you:D

me too. screw that clown.

terryoh

So your advising that we go down there and kick Chavez's ass? remove him from power?

No. I'm just exposing that both sides are foolish in complaining.

Chavez himself rails on America and it's "imperialist hegemony", yet still sells oil to America because no other nation can refine the high-sulphur content in Venezuelan oil. Chavez is helping to fuel American hegemony.

At the same time, Americans complain that Chavez is a bully and dictator, yet America buys a large percentage of their oil from Venezuela. America is helping to fuel Chavez' bully tactics and dictatorial policies.

Both sides are guilty in this debate. Americans need to stop complaining about Chavez or boycott Venezuelan oil (latter is not possible). At the same time, Chavez needs to stop complaining about America or stop selling America oil (latter is not possible).

terryoh

Chavez himself rails on America and it's "imperialist hegemony", yet still sells oil to America because no other nation can refine the high-sulphur content in Venezuelan oil. Chavez is helping to fuel American hegemony.

So what do we do when Chavez completes the trip down memory lane and becomes a full fledged Dictator? and decide that He need more living space, and it is his right to have more, When he decides to cut the oil exports and sell it to some one else.
My thoughts on this is yes we can stop worrying about him, we can make the middle east much less important to our energy need right now, and move on to alternative energy, the best and easiest way is to for now drill for our own oil, all of it every were, and start on the alternatives and the infrastructure that will be needed to utilize those new energies, remember that having a new energy source inst going to do use any good unless we have a way to get it to markets were it is needed, and we don't have that infrastructure now we don't even have that new energy available now.

First Chavez took the oil fields, then tv stations, and now he is on to the banks. Is there anyone that can stop this mad man?:eek:

I think Pat Robertson had the right idea.;)

One of the best things we can do in America is boycott Citgo. I will never give that company a dime.:mad:

The US again deposing a democratically elected leader to be replaced with a rightwing military junta. BR, are you not aware that is how we drove Latin politics to the Left? Do you not realize strongarming other countries in this hemisphere emboldens anti American sentimemt in the region? The old days of Empire have passed my friend.
Yes. Today 6 South American countries signed Memorandum of Understanding to create their own development Bank by 2010 (Most have paid off Bird, and some have withdrawn, asking for their deposits back.) Brazil has paid off IMF (I do not know about the other 5. Long term goal is one currency for all. This and “Bank of the South” are first steps to get US influence entirely out of South America.) Left is winning most elections in South American now. US policy is why, using only Chile as example (but there are many similar histories - Almost all of South America was under US backed military dictators pre-1978):

Following from: http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1371102&postcount=231

The CIA can not think more than one year into the future. For example, on 9/11 (1973) its agents killed the democratically elected President of Chile. The CIA's replacement and his henchmen killed and or tortured more than 50,000 persons (from Chile’s own “operation condor” records of the era, recently discovered in Argentina - not all got destroyed!) “Disappeared” more than 10,000 others, mainly by dropping them drugged but alive into the sea with the helicopters the CIA supplied. The current president of Chile's father was among those tortured to death and her non-political mother was also tortured. Is it any wonder that most in South America, hate the US and are taking the current period of US preoccupation to regain control of their futures (paying off the IMF etc and electing far left leaders etc.)

Like I said in those earlier posts, because the CIA is only concerned with the next few months, not the long term, it has caused more damage to the US than any other agency of any government (including the old KGB, etc.) Pakistan is just the latest example of a consistent, > three decades, short-sighted policy. The people of Pakistan once like the US, but in a decade they too will join the majority and hope the US goes down in flames.:(

Dictator Mushsark first closed opposition newspapers, then the elected congress, which he packed with his paid supporter before reopening. As this produce considerable international complaint (none for the "democracy loving US" of course) He decided to hold and election (as Nigeria has just done.) There were two serious opposition candidates applying to run, but rather than hope they would divide the vote, he played it safe and disqualified them both (at least one was force into exile, as I recall) As in Nigeria, the existing government (a dictatorship) was re-elected overwhelmingly! (Big surprise ):rolleyes:

US is of course a great promoter of democracy in the Mid East - look at how democracy is advancing in the three countries US is controlling the governments of - Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan - all pillars of democracy.:rolleyes:

terryoh



So what do we do when Chavez completes the trip down memory lane and becomes a full fledged Dictator? and decide that He need more living space, and it is his right to have more, When he decides to cut the oil exports and sell it to some one else.
My thoughts on this is yes we can stop worrying about him, we can make the middle east much less important to our energy need right now, and move on to alternative energy, the best and easiest way is to for now drill for our own oil, all of it every were, and start on the alternatives and the infrastructure that will be needed to utilize those new energies, remember that having a new energy source inst going to do use any good unless we have a way to get it to markets were it is needed, and we don't have that infrastructure now we don't even have that new energy available now.
Why can't we just invade S America. Take all of the oil from all of those nations, and enslave all of their people. Wouldn't that be the best solution?

lixluke

Why can't we just invade S America. Take all of the oil from all of those nations, and enslave all of their people. Wouldn't that be the best solution?

You tell me its your solution.

terryoh
So what do we do when Chavez completes the trip down memory lane and becomes a full fledged Dictator? and decide that He need more living space, and it is his right to have more, When he decides to cut the oil exports and sell it to some one else.
My thoughts on this is yes we can stop worrying about him, we can make the middle east much less important to our energy need right now, and move on to alternative energy, the best and easiest way is to for now drill for our own oil, all of it every were, and start on the alternatives and the infrastructure that will be needed to utilize those new energies, remember that having a new energy source inst going to do use any good unless we have a way to get it to markets were it is needed, and we don't have that infrastructure now we don't even have that new energy available now.

If he does indeed invade someone else, then the world can decide to do to him what they want, diplomatically or militarily.

Cutting oil exports to America and selling it to someone else is his and his country's right.

Why can't we just invade S America. Take all of the oil from all of those nations, ...?

We will when we run out of oil!

Baron Max

We will {invade others} when we run out of oil!Already tried that - place called Iraq. Result was only 2/3 as much oil now being produced, four years after the invasion, compared to pre-invasion production rate.

If really running out, can not invade as planes and ships need oil based fuel. Modern war is very fuel intensive - 16 times more so per soldier than in WWII!

For more details (and recent review by US military on the urgency of the fuel problem) see:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1375023&postcount=237
where Milton R. Copulos, National Defense Council Foundation president and an authority on the military’s energy needs, said:

“We are at the edge of a precipice and we have one foot over the edge.

We will when we run out of oil!

Baron MaxHa! The US couldn't subdue Surinam! Let alone Colombia or Venezuela or Brazil! This is the kind of arrogance that makes being American embarrassing as hell. Even as the world watches the mighty self righteous US get it's ass handed to them in Iraq AND Afghanistan we still have these uneducated and childish arrogant fools that really believe the world is in awe of US military strength!:p Come On! Failing 5 years in a row cuts into public opinion you know.:rolleyes:

Ha! The US couldn't subdue Surinam! Let alone Colombia or Venezuela or Brazil! This is the kind of arrogance that makes being American embarrassing as hell. Even as the world watches the mighty self righteous US get it's ass handed to them in Iraq AND Afghanistan we still have these uneducated and childish arrogant fools that really believe the world is in awe of US military strength!:p Come On! Failing 5 years in a row cuts into public opinion you know.:rolleyes:

There are always nuclear weapons. Before the mighty SUV, all else is trash, including people.

Yeah, the libs told us we'd NEVER get Saddam or alZarqawi too.:rolleyes:

I wish libs who hate America so much would just move to Iran. Ugh...:(

But they won't. They'd rather sit in the cheap seats, hurl insults, and aid terrorists.:mad:

sandy

I wish libs who hate America so much would just move to Iran. Ugh...

They won't do this, because if they moved it would be a eye opening reality that would hit them right square between the head lights, they would open their mouths to bitch about something they didn't like in their new home land and find out that free speech just cost them a trip to the local inquisition chamber, and if they were lucky, just a few pulled finger nails, a drill bit through their tongue, maybe just a little friendly rape, a gouged out eye, or the ever loved flying lesson, 4th story, no parachute, landing on your face optional.

.... But they won't. They'd rather sit in the cheap seats, hurl insults, and aid terrorists.:mad:Main US aid to terrorists is the buying oil from the governments (like Saudi Arabia) who fund the terrorists. Clean up the air you breath and decrease global warming.

Especially, when a proven alternative (sugar cane based alcohol) with 30+ years of practical experience (in cars in Brazil) is available. Not only is it much cheaper for the car driver, but also alcohol fuel removes slightly more CO2 from the air while using it as car fuel than car is releasing.

More details at
Thread: "Alcohol the obvious answer -Yes or No?" See post:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1379628&postcount=100
AND
Thread: "How DUMB can US voters Be?" see post:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1177480&postcount=70

End the 54 cents per gallon tariff against imported alcohol, the 50 cents per gallon subsidity (at tax payers expense) to the already rich alcohol refinery owners, the corn subsidy (largest of all farm subsidies by far! - More taxpayer expense, but it does bring in big campaign contributions to politicians not interested in the public welfare.) Stop driving up the cost of your food. (Corn diverted to alcohol production should be feeding people and animals)

SUMMARY: Before worrying about a very minor psychological aid to the enemy stop sending them dollars! (and get clearner air, lower cost for same food, and more economical driving of your car as other side effects !)

Yeah, the libs told us we'd NEVER get Saddam or alZarqawi too.

Yeah, and the Neo-Cons told us we'd get Osama Bin Laden :rolleyes:

I wish libs who hate America so much would just move to Iran. Ugh...

Libs don't hate America. Even Republican politicians have said that you can love the troops but hate the President. Do you want me to pull out the quotes?

And why would libs want to move to Iran? That's like asking, "why won't Neo-Cons move to Israel?".

But they won't. They'd rather sit in the cheap seats, hurl insults, and aid terrorists.

Neo-cons are the same. They sit in cheap seats, hurl insults, and fuel terrorism. :mad:

Anything you say, someone a lot more intelligent will counter. :)

sandy

They won't do this, because if they moved it would be a eye opening reality that would hit them right square between the head lights, they would open their mouths to bitch about something they didn't like in their new home land and find out that free speech just cost them a trip to the local inquisition chamber, and if they were lucky, just a few pulled finger nails, a drill bit through their tongue, maybe just a little friendly rape, a gouged out eye, or the ever loved flying lesson, 4th story, no parachute, landing on your face optional.

Iran sounds like Guantanamo Bay :)

Nah. Club Gitmo is better than most 5-star hotels: kosher food, nice rooms, new Korans, air conditioning, free medical and dental care...:rolleyes:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/illustrating_absurdity/clubgitmo.guest.html

Nah. Club Gitmo is better than most 5-star hotels: kosher food, nice rooms, new Korans, air conditioning, free medical and dental care...:rolleyes:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/illustrating_absurdity/clubgitmo.guest.html

Rush Limbaugh as your source? LOL. Amateur.

Fine, I'll play your kindergarten game too.

FBI reports Guantanamo 'abuse' (http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/08/guantanamo.abuse/)

Soldier lifts lid on Guantanamo 'abuse' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4523825.stm)

Guantanamo Abuses Caught on Tape, Report Details (http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/1430)

Your turn.

I have NO problem with soldiers using whatever it takes to get one of those evil muslim puke terrorists to confess and give up information.

I have NO problem with soldiers using whatever it takes to get one of those evil muslim puke terrorists to confess and give up information.

You can always get Benny Hinn to go and lay on his hands and 'praise the lord' to get them to confess miraculously.

I'd take the torture myself.:rolleyes:

I have NO problem with soldiers using whatever it takes to get one of those evil muslim puke terrorists to confess and give up information.

The terrorists say the same things about America. I guess they're justified as well.

Funny seeing how people were bashing Saddam for torturing Shiite/Kurdish armed dissidents for trying to kill him and trying to find out their leaders and locations, yet when Americans do it, it's OK. LOL.

Funny how we Americans must stoop to the level of those pathetic terrorists and use their tactics too. I guess we can put all of us, including the terrorists, in the same level.

WOO HOO! I have no problem with that. :) :D

Yeah, because we know negotiating with them works. Not. Remember Jimmy Carter's disaster with the hostage situation in Iran? Disgusting...:(

You can go sing Kumbaye around the fire hoping the terrorists will negotiate a stop to their killing. Good luck with that.:rolleyes:

Yeah, because we know negotiating with them works. Not. Remember Jimmy Carter's disaster with the hostage situation in Iraq? Disgusting...:(

You can go sing Kumbaye around the fire hoping the terrorists will negotiate a stop to their killing. Good luck with that.:rolleyes:

LOL, and has the Republican strategy worked?

What did Reagan do after the Marine barracks were bombed by Hezbollah in 1983 and 241 servicemen died? Did we strike Hezbollah? NO. We withdrew like pussies.

What did Bush Sr. do during the Liberation of Kuwait? When we had a chance to eliminate Saddam Hussein, Bush Sr. stupidly chose to implement a ceasefire; thus, allowing Hussein to retain his power base and murder Kurdish and Shiite insurgents.

And Bush Jr. Well, time will tell what will happen, although things aren't looking up yet. The insurgency in Iraq is NOT quelled. It is as strong as ever. We haven't eliminated North Korea and Syria yet, two countries that are Axis of Evil countries. The Taliban still lingers in Afghanistan. Osama Bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawahri are still running free. Oh yeah, things are very good.

We got Saddam and alZarqawi. We WILL get binLaden. It's just a matter of time. Unless the liberal puss!es cut and run and bring all our troops home from everywhere.:(

North Korea and Syria are on my shortlist of places to nuke (along with Iran.) I hope W gets some b@lls and sends them a few nukes "special delivery".:D

North Korea and Syria are on my shortlist of places to nuke (along with Iran.) I hope W gets some b@lls and sends them a few nukes "special delivery".:D

Hmm, maybe we should work on developing a bomb that, when dropped over the Middle East, it will only kill Palestinians, Arabs and Syrians? :D

Baron Max

Can you get a committee right on that, Baron?:D

Yeah, because we know negotiating with them works. Not. Remember Jimmy Carter's disaster with the hostage situation in Iraq? Disgusting...:(



If you mean Iran, then yes, I remember. The main thing I remember is that, though it lasted for a very long time, all of them were returned alive. Seems to me that turned out reasonably well.

Yes, I meant Iran....Going to edit and fix. Thanks.

But that whole fiasco was the beginning of terrorists getting emboldened. They used to fear us. After the Carter debacle, they got very brave. They now fear no one.

I do not hate nor like Chavez, therefore this statement is nuetral:

Chavez is a man that has seen the truth, about the imperialism of America. Therefore, without aggressive action, he has resisted American control, and leads a rebellion that is for the greater good of mankind.

You're kidding right?:eek:

are you?

You support terrorism. I have nothing more to say to you or I will get banned.

hmmmm, we dont support alqaeda or the taliban, so who do we support that is a terrorist.

You support terrorism, actually. You support Israel, so you support terrorism. I have nothing more to say without my blood burning for your death.

We got Saddam and alZarqawi. We WILL get binLaden. It's just a matter of time. Unless the liberal puss!es cut and run and bring all our troops home from everywhere.:(

North Korea and Syria are on my shortlist of places to nuke (along with Iran.) I hope W gets some b@lls and sends them a few nukes "special delivery".:D

As stated, it wasn't the liberals that cut and run from Lebanon when the Marine barracks were bombed by Hezbollah in 1983. It was the Reagan Administration that fled and made America look like pussies.

Think about it. 241 loyal and patriotic Marines were suicide bombed, and Reagan orders the Marines out of Lebanon and NO MILITARY ACTIONS were taken against Hezbollah. LOL.

Why don't you mention that? Or are you picking and choosing your arguments and ignoring facts? LOL.

We got Saddam and alZarqawi. We WILL get binLaden. It's just a matter of time. Unless the liberal puss!es cut and run and bring all our troops home from everywhere.:(

North Korea and Syria are on my shortlist of places to nuke (along with Iran.) I hope W gets some b@lls and sends them a few nukes "special delivery".:D

hmmmmmmmmm. what about israel?

Norsefire

hmmmmmmmmm. what about israel?

Why? From reports, they seem to have their own, and don't need any of ours.

For centuries, much of Venezuela’s rich farmland has been in the hands of a small elite. ... Chávez’s supporters have formed thousands of state-financed cooperatives to wrest farms and cattle ranches from private owners. ... the goal of the nationwide resettlement is to make better use of idle land and to make Venezuela less dependent on food imports. ... Before the land reform, an estimated 5 percent of the population owned 80 percent of the country’s private land. The government says it has now taken over about 3.4 million acres and resettled more than 15,000 families. Poor farmhands and unemployed town dwellers who squatted on land here are as filled with optimism as wealthy land owners are with dread.

Bella Vista, one of 12 “communal towns” that Mr. Chávez plans to build this year has neat rows of identical three-bedroom homes for 83 families, a reading room, a radio station, a building with free high-speed Internet service, a school and a plaza with a bust of Simón Bolívar, Venezuela’s national hero.
With financing from state banks, the cooperative plants crops like manioc, corn and beans, {instead of sugar cane} which officials in Caracas say are better suited to soils here than sugar cane. By burning the cane during land seizures, the squatters prepare the land for other crops and give owners less incentive to fight for control.

Lisbeth Colmenares, 22, was radiant as she showed a visitor her new home here, where she and her family live rent-free. “Before Chávez, the government would have been happy to let us starve,” said Ms. Colmenares, holding her 6-month-old daughter, Luzelis. “We’ll never let what we have now be taken from us.” {Her husband may be among the 30,000 Chazez has armed with AK-47s to discourage any US / CIA funded invasion.}

John R. Hines Freyre, who owns Yaracuy’s largest sugar-cane farm, is now trying desperately to sell the property and others in neighboring states. “No one wants this property, ..." said Mr. Hines, 69, in English polished decades ago at Georgetown University. Yaracuy’s sugar growers’ association says sugar cane production here has fallen 40 percent,

... demand for food had climbed more than 30 percent in the last two years with the oil boom, while Venezuela’s capacity to produce food grew only 5 percent. Venezuela, has long imported most of its food, and uses less than 30 percent of its arable land to its full potential... vast cattle ranches take up large areas of arable land....some of the country’s most fertile soil has been home to immigrants from Cuba, Portugal and Spain who arrived after World War II and assembled relatively small sugar cane farms and cattle ranches.

Fátima Vieira, the daughter of a Portuguese truck driver who moved to Venezuela 50 years ago, said she was struggling to receive compensation for a 170-acre sugar cane farm controlled by squatters. As on other seized estates, she said squatters burned much of her sugar cane in an attempt to intimidate her. ... “All I want to do is leave for another city, if I can get money for my land.” ...

More than 30 ranches and farms have been seized ... Braulio Álvarez, a land activist and pro-Chávez deputy in the national assembly, was shot in the face ... Mr. Álvarez, who survived the attack, blamed landowners. ... Governor Giménez said some friction should be expected on “the road to socialism.” ... “The reaction of the oligarchy is perhaps logical,” said Mr. Giménez, ... “The upper class had more than 400 years of benefits from the system. They need to understand we’re committed to the construction of a socialist fatherland.”

Landowners like Mr. Hines get the message. His aristocratic family, from Cuba, began investing in Venezuelan land in the 1950s before the Cuban revolution. Showing a visitor the stately if barren plantation house where his family once lived, Mr. Hines said he had begun distributing furniture to the servants before the squatters arrive. “I see Chávez in power for quite a while,” said Mr. Hines, ...

Billy T condensed the above from two pages of NY Times. Full text at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/world/americas/17venezuela.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5089&en=e0b99dce2327419c&ex=1337054400&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
Also see NY Time's video, giving both sides of this struggle, in link at this site.