A simple question, the same as on the Time Magazine poll. Of USA, Iraq, and North Korea, which do you fear?

USA:
- Used nukes on civilian cities, has claimed the right to use them again.
- Has used chemical weapons in warfare.
- Has used chemical weapons against foreign civilians.
- Has tested chemical weapons against its own citizens.
- Has attacked more countries in the past 50 years than have North Korea and Iraq combined.
- Has killed over half a million civilians since 1940.
- Has one of the largest stockpiles of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.

Iraq:
- Has used chemical weapons against civilians.
- Might be developing/storing lots of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.
- Neglects developing infrastructure and instead spends resources on keeping dictator alive.

North Korea:
- Is developing nuclear weapons.
- Neglects development of infrastructure and instead spends resources on a massive military.

Surely this is damning evidence!

which chemical weapons, specifically?

Originally posted by Kyle_S
Surely this is damning evidence!
I'm asking for opinions, monkeyboy.

Originally posted by aitrus
which chemical weapons, specifically?

Are you asking about which the USA has used?

Here is one example. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65162,00.html)

Also Agent Orange, in Vietnam. A CIA project named MK-Ultra was shut down in 1973 for such things as dropping LSD in a university water supply.

Originally posted by Adam
I'm asking for opinions, monkeyboy. oh ho ho ho!

Originally posted by Adam
Are you asking about which the USA has used?

Also Agent Orange, in Vietnam. Pity that the Australian Military supporting in Vietnam didn’t aired any complaint, instead allowed their own troops to be showed by it!!!:bugeye:

Originally posted by Microzoft
Pity that the Australian Military supporting in Vietnam didn’t aired any complaint, instead allowed their own troops to be showed by it!!!:bugeye:

Yes, Australian troops were poisoned in tests and military actions by the USA, Britain, and our own government.

Don't mess with the yoo-ess!

*yep folks, i voted USA and im not scared to tells yas.*
USA with George Bush at the helm is one scarey thought and because of this, a monkey (not Kyle ;) ) incharge of the most powerful country in the world could do more damage than Iraq and N.Korea combined. USA is the catalyst in the whole equation.

Sadam seems pretty insane, and to think he might have nuclear/chemical/biological weapons!!:eek:

Saddamn seems a nice guy, i think George Bush has got him all wrong. ;)

Saddam is a complete raving nutcase. But at least he has his own theme park.

right now? North Korea.

Which do I fear to do what?
To hurt my nation or myself? None
To be a detriment to it's own people? Iraq (though mainly in Iraq I fear for what might happen when Saddam dies, providing no war happens before that, and someone else takes over).
To be a detriment to the planet? I think is what you might be asking, but it's far too broad a question. Take, for instance, the fact that Argentinian leader Videla was more detrimental than NK, Iraq or US are today; but in the 70s would you have feared Videla to hurt others outside Argentina? No. So while the States at that time may have hurt more people outside itself (and thus been more detrimental to the planet), Argentina under Videla was much more "evil".

I fear the country of china more than any other. Above that I fear human nature.

You dont have to fear the us. If we start to attack show your underbelly and act afraid but show no hostility and the US will be content and back down.

I fear China more than those 3 combined

Imagine an army of a quarter of a billion reasonably equipped and acting as a war machine. Moving from one asian country to another without regard for casualties and just stripping whatever equipment and supplies they need. No matter how many you could reasonably kill as long as they procreate in the back you would never run out of soldiers.

THAT is what china is capable of if it could unite its people even once. After that it would be self propagating.

At least our governement uses nuclear weapons responsibly. I fear <b>communist China</b>. They have the largest standing army in the world and are slowly becoming a superpower. They must be stopped!:eek:

China has been quietly working away on building up it's military, buying some very advanced military equipment, weapons, boats, etc from Russia. They've been growing strong ties with countries that view America as a threat. And their media has written countless stories that they plan to go to war against America within ten years. I also believe if you following the yellow brick road of the sep 12th incidents it will take you back to china.

Huuumm... there were prophecies that said that after Sadaam would die, North korea, China, and other Asian countries would start the Third World War...

But is China really willing to go to war...? And they have those birth control laws anyways...

i hate to say this but YAY china then

if i have to lay with the enermy to see this world safe then its better china than the US

gess they should have tought us chiness at school:p

As long as Bush is still the (dick)head of his government, my vote goes to US. A moron with such military might at his disposal is a very very scary scenario.

Next would be Iraq as long as Saddam is running things. I have no doubts the nutty things this guy is capable of. And that moustache - there's something very unsettling about that moustache.

Richard - what is the Sept. 12th incidents that you're referring to? Or do you mean Sept. 11?

Truthseeker - you're right about the birth control laws in China. I think it's one child per family (or is it two?). So I don't think they'll have endless supply of people resources in the back - unless they reverse their policy in times of war.

Originally posted by Asguard
i hate to say this but YAY china then
if i have to lay with the enermy to see this world safe then its better china than the US
gess they should have tought us chiness at school:p

you have no idea of what you are talking about or what is China or Chinese :bugeye:
it is not very smart to say "YAY" for China

cheers

you have no idea of what you are talking about or what is China or Chinese

Avatar,

Tell us what is China or Chinese.

yeah 11th your time. It was the 12th here. My first impressions that day were that it was bound to happen, but then more as I began to watch it I got the feeling that if anyone followed the trial it would lead back to China. My mind just kept going back to china.

There is something that interests me, Russia has continued to upgrade Iraq's weapons, China has been upgrading their air defence systems.

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, who was a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is convinced that China is planning a major war with the US.

Also, from an article I have on file Strategic writings by China's military and party leaders show that China is making plans for war, according to a new Pentagon study. Some 600 translations of internal Chinese writings by 200 authors reveal China's strategy to defeat a superior foe, using both military and nonmilitary means, such as propaganda, deception and covert action.

There is an article somewhere, I can't remember where at the moment that talks about Russia and China preparing for a world war. Hmmmm.

Originally posted by 1119
Avatar,

Tell us what is China or Chinese.

first of all- they have different mentality - most of them are slaves of the government and they can not immagine that it could be anything else (they have 3000 years of slave tradition)
they'll do what ordered (I'm talking in general)
second- the governement is crazy communists and nothing is worse than them- I've had enough of USSR

if they take over, we all will become slaves or atleast an attemt will be made
humans are nothing to them - just meat for slaughter and experiments

they prohibit any spiritual life or freedom of though

the world would become like a military camp if they take over
and I'm very afraid of that

China would make the world a safer place? hahahaha

1119,
Two children per family...

Avatar,
That sounds pretty bad...

avatar i dont give a DAM if they are evil commie

if bush is alowed to go the way he wants to he will NUKE the world and it wont MATTER

i would rather be a slave than die like par did

I don't even know what would be worse...

REALLLY?????

would you like me to go into detail on the way someone dies of radiation????

i can tell you i would do ANYTHING to avoid it

the day the US launces a Nuke is the day i cut my own throat

Asguard, I tend to think the only nukes we will see will be suitcase nukes

im afraid that your wrong

to many times i have read presidant dickhead say that nukes are perfect for taking out "suspected" chem factorys

what a joke

Calm down. Don't fear. The force is with you... ;)

Originally posted by Asguard
REALLLY?????

would you like me to go into detail on the way someone dies of radiation????

i can tell you i would do ANYTHING to avoid it

the day the US launces a Nuke is the day i cut my own throat

*The Marquis gets down on his knees and prays for the US to launch just one itty bitty little nuke so Australia can rid itself of this idiot*

*edit* OK, so I don't believe in god, would never get down on my knees for anything, don't want the USA to launch any nukes and don't believe that Asguard has the guts to cut his little finger let alone his own throat, but the sentiment remains.

why when people can't think of anything intelligent to say they have to go down to the gutter Marquis? Really, if that is all you can add to a conversation, shut up.

Interesting point Asguard.

Richard... No.

Your assumption that I can't think of anything intelligent to say is erroneus. The problem I have is in firstly gathering the energy to do so, and secondly that if I did it would be a waste of effort.

Originally posted by notPresidentAndrew
At least our governement uses nuclear weapons responsibly. I fear <b>communist China</b>. They have the largest standing army in the world and are slowly becoming a superpower. They must be stopped!:eek:

Stopped? stopped from doing what? taking away the power which you already abuse, that's all.

Asguard, what makes you think that China wouldn't nuke everything also?

and USA won't bomb everything, they will want a place to live also
why would the usa bomb Europe or SAmerica or Africa, or Australia for that matter?

has anyone herd of WIND???

once you put it in the air we ALL die

tis' true, time to find a nice cosy bunker me thinks, or an underwater paradise ;)

Does it spread that quickly in the wind? Besides, what kind of weapon (chemical or atomic)? And how worse it could be compared to Hiroshima and Nagazaqui...?

im talking atomic and the size bombs they have now make those look like a hand granade

I though the US was developing "clean" bombs... and not big ones either... But maybe they are... who knows... :eek:

the day the US launces a Nuke is the day i cut my own throat

Oh no, not another phony suicide note - oh, okay, good. :p

Really, if that is all you can add to a conversation, shut up.

Hey, better than your ASCII vomit.

I would say the US, just cause i feel like we make lots of knee jerk reactions.

China? do people think they would start up a war with us? If they did, would they have a chance?

What about India and Pakastan?!

I think China would have a good chance in a war.

Xev, now I know what you hate, I'll be sure to post more of it

Richard, I hate weakness, anyone who would impose or accept true slavery, stupidity and prudishness.

In short, I hate most of this miserable, pathetic, wormlike species we have the unmitigated effronty to call "thinking man".

Believe me, it's nothing personal about you. You're simply an avatar of what I despise.

Originally posted by Avatar
first of all- they have different mentality - most of them are slaves of the government and they can not immagine that it could be anything else (they have 3000 years of slave tradition)
they'll do what ordered (I'm talking in general)
second- the governement is crazy communists and nothing is worse than them- I've had enough of USSR

if they take over, we all will become slaves or atleast an attemt will be made
humans are nothing to them - just meat for slaughter and experiments

they prohibit any spiritual life or freedom of though

the world would become like a military camp if they take over
and I'm very afraid of that

As a chinese person, I think you are generalizing here... it seems to me that you think the chinese people don't resist their oppressive government, that they accept their forced lifestyle and do nothing to change it. But actually, they do. Like others people around the world, they protest the injustices they face. I've heard and read stories about the chinese striking because they want better benefits from their jobs. Chinese students calling for a more democratic system along with a number of other issues. So as you see, these people do not have a 'different mentality' - which is being slaves of the government, just letting everything slide while the Man is pocketing all their money. I do think they have a similar mentality with many other peoples around the earth - a common struggle that unites everyone... and that is one for a better society where the rich do not get richer while the poor get poorer...and to me, that is the good fight...

Maybe you are under the impression that they have a slave mentality because unfortunately, they need to eat, they need a roof over their heads... so, they need a job. And if working for low pay and no benefits is the only one you can find at the moment, they pretty much don't have a choice. But this doesn't mean they feel like thats the way things are and nothing can be done about it, they realize how unjust it is and will protest.

I voted USA. Out for number one and not afraid of who knows it.

China is the furthest of my worries at the moment, they seem like pretty neat guys. And what right doesanyone have from stopping China from becoming a superpower? None whatsoever. If the US decides to stop them somehow, I shall burn a US flag as a sign of my disgust. So hypicritical.

Anyway, if there should be a war, the parties involved should agree to not using nukes for the concequences will be dire. And if this agreement was to be reached and someone broke it, I will personally shoot the person who made the desicion, and this is no joke. There is no honour with carrying out cowardly attacks that kill innocent civilians.
I still say the US was wrong for using Nukes in World War Two and can you believe they had to change one of their targets because one of the cities was under cloud cover!!

Fear idiots NOT countries.

hazy: I was basing my argument of what my sister has told me, because she has had plenty of talks with Chinese

Nebuchadnezzaar: couldn't agree more

Xev:
I hate weakness, anyone who would impose or accept true slavery, stupidity and prudishness.
In short, I hate most of this miserable, pathetic, wormlike species we have the unmitigated effronty to call "thinking man".
couldn't agree more. Sometimes I wish I could kill them all, exterminate the disease aka general society - they don't deserve our beautiful planet or life for that matter also

Originally posted by Adam
A simple question, the same as on the Time Magazine poll. Of USA, Iraq, and North Korea, which do you fear?

USA:
- Used nukes on civilian cities, has claimed the right to use them again.
- Has used chemical weapons in warfare.
- Has used chemical weapons against foreign civilians.
- Has tested chemical weapons against its own citizens.
- Has attacked more countries in the past 50 years than have North Korea and Iraq combined.
- Has killed over half a million civilians since 1940.
- Has one of the largest stockpiles of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.

Iraq:
- Has used chemical weapons against civilians.
- Might be developing/storing lots of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.
- Neglects developing infrastructure and instead spends resources on keeping dictator alive.

North Korea:
- Is developing nuclear weapons.
- Neglects development of infrastructure and instead spends resources on a massive military.

Question you have to ask yourself is, where would you prefer to live. Iraq, North Korea or the US?

Originally posted by DeSeRt RaT UK
Question you have to ask yourself is, where would you prefer to live. Iraq, North Korea or the US?
Really, I'd hate to live in any of them at the moment.

Nice evasion, Adam.

lets see i cant say iraq because your about to blow them up, the US cause i would probably die from stavation with no one noticing

being in NK army would be the best of the worst i guess

Xev, weakness is those who put their heads in the sand, accept things as they are and refuse to fight for change. Weakness are those who accept the lies about losing their freedoms to fight terrorism. I don't understand much about man, but I do know that we have allowed corporations and governments to dictate our lives and take away our true freedom. Weakness is knowing something wrong happens and sitting back accepting it. People who fight for change aren't weak, those who accept the way the US government works are weak. Those who justify the actions of such government are weak. Those who believe war is a solution are weak. Those who look at this race with disgust and refuse to do anything about it, are weak.

Originally posted by The Marquis
Nice evasion, Adam.

It's not an evasion. Obviously it was expected that I would say "USA", but what can the USA offer me? More TV channels, more barbie dolls and microwave ovens? The right to protest against the government? Hell, they shoot people for protesting in the USA ¹. And these days they develop electromagnetic weapons for crowd-disperal ².

Most people would say the USA has a high standard of living. But in truth I live a rather Spartan life, and don't see much value in having an additional two televisions.




1) Kent State University, May 4th, 1970.

2) The VMADS (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=VMADS+USA+crowd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&meta=) system.


Hi-tech cattle prod?

Millions of dollars and many years have been devoted to the idea of directed-energy weapons, and we apparently have a winner.

But it is not the missile-busting, outer-space giant killer we were promised in the 1980s. According to the Marine Corps Times, which broke the story, this hi-tech weapon turns out to be the “Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System.” The March 5 Times describes the VMADS as both a non-lethal weapon and “the biggest breakthrough in weapons technology since the atomic bomb.”

Imagine being in a microwave oven—anyone attacked by the beam quickly feels a burning sensation as moisture in the skin moves toward the boiling point. (Whether the beam can kill and how long it would take became the subject of press speculation, but details of the beam’s potential are classified.)

Because the “people zapper,” as the Times dubbed it, is not the most portable of weapons, the current prototype is sitting on a large packing crate at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico, although a Humvee-mounted system is expected soon.

Despite its limited portability, Marine Col. George Fenton, director of the Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, insists the VMADS will be ideal for crowd control.

http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/2001/mj01/mj01bulletins.html

hazy: I was basing my argument of what my sister has told me, because she has had plenty of talks with Chinese

Avatar,

Have you had talks with the Chinese yourself? If yes, what is your own personal opinion, aside from that contributed by your sister?

Out of curiosity, just how many Chinese did your sister talk to to justify making the generalisations that you do?

I am of Chinese ethnic background and I cannot help to feel amused when you talked about things like slave mentality and such, even though you emphasised talking in general terms.

My neighbours are Chinese. Beautiful people, couldn't have nicer neighbours. The grandparents are always giving us veggies that they have grown, or fruit. The grandparents don't speak any English, but that never stops us communicating, the grandfather came over yesterday with some seeds, he took a good ten minutes explaining how to plant them and what they were. My doctor and his wife are Chinese, the best I have ever had, not only do I have the option of traditional medicine with them, but also using their medicine, and I can't remember the last time I had to pay to go to the doctor, the wife considers me to a son to them and refuses to let me pay.

Did your sister talk with these people in the real or online?

I know a chinese guy... Oh, of course... my chinese teacher... :D:D
Anyways... he is a nice guy. He invited me to go to his place in China whenever I want...

lets see i cant say iraq because your about to blow them up, the US cause i would probably die from stavation with no one noticing

Oh believe me, we'd notice the whining.

Richard:

Weak are those who do not fight for change, and have not the courage to live their ideals.

As I said, you are an avatar of that which I despise.

Oh believe me, we'd notice the whining.
...and do nothing about it...:rolleyes:

Oh, I wouldn't call having a private giggle "nothing".

China and America are the 2 strongest countries in the world. It's necessary to fear any power that has control over any other. :m:

look up and see how many people agree with YOUR idiocy rather than me?

...and do nothing about it...

Nah, his constant threats to commit suicide would spur some sort of action. :)

have u watched on the beach xev?

have you watched your grandfather ROT away?

/Spends a tenth of a second wondering what the hell Anthony is babbling about and what the relevence is, then gives up and goes to make popcorn/

Yay, popcorn!!!!
That's so much better than Anthony's blatant logical fallacies!

-- "look up and see how many people agree with YOUR idiocy rather than me?" --

Hahahahahah! He migh as well say "It was written down, therefore it must be true." or "A circle has edges because a square does."

Hahahahahah! He migh as well say "It was written down, therefore it must be true." or "A circle has edges because a square does."

Now Tyler, you're going to ruin Anthony's reputation by attributing such brilliantly logical ideas to him. ;)

Originally posted by DeSeRt RaT UK
Question you have to ask yourself is, where would you prefer to live. Iraq, North Korea or the US?


Stupid question, please specify first: Who am I in these countries? i.e. what job and responsibilities do I have in this society? Do I still believe in my government(very important) and what it is doing? Which part of the country do i live in? they all come into play, it makes the question unaswerable now i think, i hope.

I'd rather be a laywer living in Baghdad with a nice house, rather than a New York city street rat. But how would i know?

Originally posted by Avatar
hazy: I was basing my argument of what my sister has told me, because she has had plenty of talks with Chinese




And that is why, because your sister had maybe 10, or 30, or hell, maybe 1000 talks with chinese people, that must mean all of them have a slave mentality. China is a huge country, I doubt she spoke to all of them.

:rolleyes: :p

Who do you fear?
The world should fear idiocy amongst the general population--the voters, and the bulk of posters.

Originally posted by Adam
A simple question, the same as on the Time Magazine poll. Of USA, Iraq, and North Korea, which do you fear?
GOD!:m:

And of the three in the poll?

Who am I in these countries?

It's not that tough, Nebu...chibulaa...zilla..mozza...whatever your name is.

Imagine yourself being a middle-class worker in each country. Which would you feel more comfortable in? As for your mindset, that can't have an impact. For example: If you're from Australia, and you think GWB is a moron, what makes you think you wouldn't think he's a moron if you moved to America?

As for me, I'm gonna move to Koh Samui when I retire! :D