let it rip.

CIA let it happen...its like a bodyguard knowing the person he is guarding will be stabbed on a specific date and doing nothing about it

anyone else?

Sorry, burst Dragons conspiracy theory, but it most definately was Al-Qaeda.

To believe it would be a CIA conspiracy is bordering on complete disconnection from reality. To keep it covered up would be impossible as SOMEONE would let it slip somewhere.

Al-Qaeda but the us government did drop the ball in an epic manner. but it was a bunch a fucking suadis that did it

Al-Qaeda but the us government did drop the ball in an epic manner. but it was a bunch a fucking suadis that did it

I agree i think both the Clinton Administration and the Bush Adminstration fumbled it. The Clintons were probably just happy to hand it off and not worry and George was so busy untangling the paperwork mess he just didn't see it coming. No ill intentions on either end, just slipped through the cracks somehow.

I agree i think both the Clinton Administration and the Bush Adminstration fumbled it. The Clintons were probably just happy to hand it off and not worry and George was so busy untangling the paperwork mess he just didn't see it coming. No ill intentions on either end, just slipped through the cracks somehow.

clinton probably could have done something to stop it but than the whole monica thing happened. and from what i have read the bushies ignored Al-Qaeda to a large extent simply because the outgoing clinton admin told they should be top issue but the most major fuck ups were away from either one like the fbi and cia

clinton probably could have done something to stop it but than the whole monica thing happened. and from what i have read the bushies ignored Al-Qaeda to a large extent simply because the outgoing clinton admin told they should be top issue but the most major fuck ups were away from either one like the fbi and cia

Actually from what my Cousin said Clintons didn't even say word one about Al Qeada to Bush and he is in a position to know. My guess is Clintons did not think it would be a real issue and neither did George. FBI and CIA did mess up becuase if they had spoke to either Clinton or Bush something would have been done sooner. But my guess is they didn;t put two and two together fast enough.

Actually from what my Cousin said Clintons didn't even say word one about Al Qeada to Bush and he is in a position to know. My guess is Clintons did not think it would be a real issue and neither did George. FBI and CIA did mess up becuase if they had spoke to either Clinton or Bush something would have been done sooner. But my guess is they didn;t put two and two together fast enough.

Richard Clarke

let it rip.

Who killed JFK? 9-11 will be the same way; this question will never be resolved.

If we want resolution then we should let the conspiracy theorists and and anti-conspiracy theorists and their hired experts go at each other in a court for a year with subpoena power and the penalty of of perjury. But even that would probably be futile because people believe whatever they want to believe.

Sorry, burst Dragons conspiracy theory, but it most definately was Al-Qaeda.

He didn't say it wasn't.

You explain to me the huge putbuyers in the German bank headed earlier by the number 3 CIA guy and I will give you the Nobel price...

al qaeda. sure the planes did not topple the building so al qaeda planted mini nukes before they rammed the plane into the building.

Who really cares at this point in time. Why keep beating a dead horse. We need to stop the stupid war in Iraq not try to come up with more conspiracy theories about 9-11.

Sorry, burst Dragons conspiracy theory, but it most definately was Al-Qaeda.

To believe it would be a CIA conspiracy is bordering on complete disconnection from reality. To keep it covered up would be impossible as SOMEONE would let it slip somewhere.

I think some people deliberately look the other way (away from reality) simply because they hate America so much, they're willing to go along with any contrived theory that puts down America and the "evil" CIA.

anyone else?


Here's how you find the answer to your questions. Who benefitted from the 911 attacks?

let it rip.

Name 10 people in Al Queda.. You're on the clock.

Here's how you find the answer to your questions. Who benefitted from the 911 attacks?

not the people of sderot i can tell you that.

Name 10 people in Al Queda.. You're on the clock.

I'm not Spock, but let me see, You gotcha ace 'a Spades, ya Jack often, ya ten lords a leapin', ya Sheik Khalany, guys like that. O.K, I only named 4 ( loosly at that, but you can see where I'm coming from!")

yeah i get it, you dont think there is such a thing as al queada. cool...

yeah i get it, you dont think there is such a thing as al queada. cool...


I'm not saying I don't believe in Al Queda, but they're sort of like the Lochness monster. Everyone see's them, but no one can provide any proof that they acutally exist.


Here's a quote from rapper Mos Def, who appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher on 2-29-08.

"When a somebody wants to do shit to you, they're doing it. They're not going to send you a tape saying "Hey I'm going to fuck you up" They're not going to send you a video message saying "Yeah bitch it's me"... I'm from the Projects, I know real danger, and I don't feel any danger from Bin Laden"

Al-Qaeda but the us government did drop the ball in an epic manner. but it was a bunch a fucking suadis that did it

thats a about right!!!!

9-11 happening is the biggest act of incompetence in history - the US govt should be highly ashamed it happened.

how the fuck a fucked up loon in a cave planned and executed that is beyond me. - a 757 crashing into the heart of the military headquarters of the most powerful nation in history!!!!

How muthafuckin embarassing for the US government!!!!

and it was done by the the nationals of a country which owns like 6% of the US and is meant to be one fo there biggest buddies...

it gets more embarrasing the more you look at it!!!

Yes, they do exist,
My facetious comments were misunderstood.
Abu Bakar Bashir is accused of being the mastermind of the Al Jazeera cell of Al Q'aeda ( Jemaar Islamiyah) Who took great pleasure in blowing the fuck out of a Bali ( Indonesian Island) nightclub, frequented by westerners, mostly Australian and American.

Of course Al Q'aeda are real.

I'm not saying I don't believe in Al Queda, but they're sort of like the Lochness monster. Everyone see's them, but no one can provide any proof that they acutally exist.


Here's a quote from rapper Mos Def, who appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher on 2-29-08.

"When a somebody wants to do shit to you, they're doing it. They're not going to send you tape saying "Hey I'm going to fuck you up" They're not going to send you a video message saying "Yeah bitch it's me"... I'm from the Projects, I know real danger, and I don't feel any danger from Bin Laden"

hamas and hezbullah send us tapes all the time. nasrallah publicly threatened to kidnap soldiers for 6 years. now they say they are gonna have their revenge on us.

the same thing.

hamas and hezbullah send us tapes all the time. nasrallah publicly threatened to kidnap soldiers for 6 years. now they say they are gonna have their revenge on us.

the same thing.


and Israel says it is going to destroy this or that, blow up the aswan dam, bomb tehran and so on and so forth whats the difference you say??

well the difference is Israel can actually carry out its threats and also HAS NUKES!!!!

hamas and hezbullah send us tapes all the time. nasrallah publicly threatened to kidnap soldiers for 6 years. now they say they are gonna have their revenge on us.

the same thing.

The Hamas tapes aren't released until after the Terrorist act is commited. That's why they call them Martyr tapes. Also , Hamas and Hezzbullah are real terrorist groups, they're not shadow organizations that nobody can indentify.

If Bin Laden was real, he would work against the intersts of George Bush, not support his interests. When Bin Laden appeared on a tape before the 2004 election endorsing John Kerry, proved that he's not real. You mean to tell me that he's smart enough to circumvent the most sophisticated defense apparatus the world has ever known with box cutters, but not smart enough to endorse Bush instead of Kerry? That's equivalent to a Hamas leader endorsing Aerial Sharon.

and Israel says it is going to destroy this or that, blow up the aswan dam, bomb tehran and so on and so forth whats the difference you say??

well the difference is Israel can actually carry out its threats and also HAS NUKES!!!!

israel never said any of those. youre a liar.

The Hamas tapes aren't released until after the Terrorist act is commited. That's why they call them Martyr tapes.

nasrallah speeches are. and whats the difference again? bin laden tapes were released after.

israel never said any of those. youre a liar.


its has bombed syria (forget last september) it has said it will bomb iran or heavily infered that it will (sorry not specifically tehran) if the US does not

and oh yes avigdor liberman (sorry spellign maybe wrong) said that isreal shoudl bomb the aswan dam - isnt Avigdor lieberman your deptuty PM - and in charge of strategic threats or has he been demoted now???

And in 2006 they said they wanted to destroy hizbollah

do you really want links for all of these???

At least I answer your questions hey spocky......

it woudl be appreciated if you took back calling me a liar


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its has bombed syria (forget last september) it has said it will bomb iran or heavily infered that it will (sorry not specifically tehran) if the US does not

and oh yes avigdor liberman (sorry spellign maybe wrong) said that isreal shoudl bomb the aswan dam - isnt Avigdor lieberman your deptuty PM - and in charge of strategic threats or has he been demoted now???

And in 2006 they said they wanted to destroy hizbollah

do you really want links for all of these???

At least I answer your questions hey spocky......

it woudl be appreciated if you took back calling me a liar


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if we bombed syria then they should go to the UN. israel never said it will attack teharen, thats a lie. as a matter of fact i think it was peres who said israel wont do anything about iran.

speculations are your expertis not mine. and no liberman doesnt represent the government, only hes own opinion.

if we bombed syria then they should go to the UN. israel never said it will attack teharen, thats a lie. as a matter of fact i think it was peres who said israel wont do anything about iran.

speculations are your expertis not mine. and no liberman doesnt represent the government, only hes own opinion.


well israel did bomb syria and syria went to the UN and nothing was done!!!

I said that they said they will bomb iran- you know the nuclear facilities(ok i said tehran initally but i clarified that)

well israel did bomb syria and syria went to the UN and nothing was done!!!

I said that they said they will bomb iran- you know the nuclear facilities(ok i said tehran initally but i clarified that)

no they didnt. they didnt went to the UN. the syrians did nothing nor had proof.

and unless you link up to what israel supposedly said stop lying:


israel is not considering any unilateral military operation to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, President Shimon Peres said in an interview published by the French newspaper, Le Figaro on Saturday.
[President Shimon Peres. ]


"I would prefer to stop the development of the atomic bomb without getting thrown into a war," Peres said, adding that as in the case with South Africa, Libya, and North Korea, "sanctions have proven in the past to be effective."

spocky

Israel did better than threaten iran they actually have plans

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1359348.htm

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/swank/2005/03/if-us-wont-bomb-iran-israel-will.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/24/wiran124.xml

and Israel did bomb syria and syria went to the UN last year

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/19/AR2007091901965.html

spocky

Israel did better than threaten iran they actually have plans

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1359348.htm

http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/swank/2005/03/if-us-wont-bomb-iran-israel-will.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/24/wiran124.xml

and Israel did bomb syria and syria went to the UN last year

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/19/AR2007091901965.html


all those links and not one quote of israel saying it will attack iran. thats lame, i thought youre a better liar. all those links are opinions.

and:


Syria has protested to the United Nations, though it hasn't been very clear about what it's protesting.

hilarious. how stupid can you get?

MK Eldad: If world doesn't stop Iran, we will


Published: 12.11.06, 21:30 / Israel News



MK Ariyeh Eldad (National Unity) addressed the comment made by PM Olmert confirming that Israel has nuclear weapons.



MK Eldad said that "If Olmert indeed meant to forgo Israel's policy of ambiguity there should be a clear message to the world from us – if you don't stop Iran, we will, at any price." (Attila Somfalvi)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3338812,00.html

/yawn

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3338812,00.html

/yawn

he was addressing the comment made by olmert long ago-not saying israel will attack iran. at least read it first.

israel never said it will attack iran, i know, because i read all the talksback in hebrew on top of other things.

all those links and not one quote of israel saying it will attack iran. thats lame, i thought youre a better liar. all those links are opinions.

and:
?

yeah they have done better than threats they have got plans!!!!



hilarious. how stupid can you get?
so they did bomb syria and syria did complain??

he was addressing the comment made by olmert long ago-not saying israel will attack iran. at least read it first.

israel never said it will attack iran, i know, because i read all the talksback in hebrew on top of other things.

but iran threatened too bomb isreal right????

yeah they have done better than threats they have got plans!!!!



so they did bomb syria and syria did complain??

syrians dont even know what they are complaining about-which is hilarious, because you only prove my point.

and you have yet fail to prove israel said it will attack iran-all you brought are interpretations made by journalists.

if israel wad to ever say anything like that i can only imagine the response this will have on the polls.

but iran threatened too bomb isreal right????

the holocaust denial conferees was offensive enough. can you imagine why a country with 70 million people rich with oil and gas needs nuclear capability?

it takes only one terrorists.

the holocaust denial conferees was offensive enough. can you imagine why a country with 70 million people rich with oil and gas needs nuclear capability?
.

i know its weird cos when the US were allies with the Shah of Iran in the 70's and providing them with Nuclear techonolgy then the Shah was using forsight for when the oil and gas runs out - something obviously the current regime is not capable of doing

"One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet."

With American permission, 9/11 was masterminded and executed by Zionist elite. The evidence is too compelling to think otherwise.

i know its weird cos when the US were allies with the Shah of Iran in the 70's and providing them with Nuclear techonolgy then the Shah was using forsight for when the oil and gas runs out - something obviously the current regime is not capable of doing

too bad nowadays they are hiding their main facilities hu ZAK?

syrians dont even know what they are complaining about-which is hilarious, because you only prove my point.

and you have yet fail to prove israel said it will attack iran-all you brought are interpretations made by journalists.

if israel wad to ever say anything like that i can only imagine the response this will have on the polls.

yeah like when the israeli defence minsiter said the palestinians will bring a holocaust on themselves
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/29/israelandthepalestinians1


so are you denying israel bombed syria last year??????

"One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet."

With American permission, 9/11 was masterminded and executed by Zionist elite. The evidence is too compelling to think otherwise.

how lovely. do you agree ZAKI? :rolleyes:

Actually from what my Cousin said Clintons didn't even say word one about Al Qeada to Bush and he is in a position to know. My guess is Clintons did not think it would be a real issue and neither did George. FBI and CIA did mess up becuase if they had spoke to either Clinton or Bush something would have been done sooner. But my guess is they didn;t put two and two together fast enough.

It is public record that the outgoing Clinton administration warned the Bush team about the threat from Bin Laden. And even if they had not, it was made explicit by the August 2001 presidential daily briefing.

The following is a transcript of the August 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing entitled Bin Laden determined to strike in US. Parts of the original document were not made public by the White House for security reasons.

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate bin Laden since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Laden implied in U.S. television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/index.html

"One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet."

With American permission, 9/11 was masterminded and executed by Zionist elite. The evidence is too compelling to think otherwise.


hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah

dont be silly kadark - stop winding up Spocky pls

yeah like when the israeli defence minsiter said the palestinians will bring a holocaust on themselves
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/29/israelandthepalestinians1


so are you denying israel bombed syria last year??????

he said shoa-which means catastrophe in hebrew.

i dont need to deny something i know nothing about. humility will do you good as well.

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah

dont be silly kadark - stop winding up Spocky pls

winding-the dude is serious. let him rip :D

how lovely. do you agree ZAKI? :rolleyes:
eerr no

pls see below

thats a about right!!!!

9-11 happening is the biggest act of incompetence in history - the US govt should be highly ashamed it happened.

how the fuck a fucked up loon in a cave planned and executed that is beyond me. - a 757 crashing into the heart of the military headquarters of the most powerful nation in history!!!!

How muthafuckin embarassing for the US government!!!!

and it was done by the the nationals of a country which owns like 6% of the US and is meant to be one fo there biggest buddies...

it gets more embarrasing the more you look at it!!!


i have no problem answering your questions spocky - you can thank me any time you like:D

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah

dont be silly kadark - stop winding up Spocky pls

You're just as bad as Spock. If you are too lazy to read, I suggest you watch the ten part series on 9/11 and the Zionist Order on Youtube.

eerr no

pls see below

i have no problem answering your questions spocky - you can thank me any time you like:D

sure you dont, you have no problem lying. after all who remember it.

You're just as bad as Spock. If you are too lazy to read, I suggest you watch the ten part series on 9/11 and the Zionist Order on Youtube.

now now you two, behave.

sure you dont, you have no problem lying. after all who remember it.


my views on 9-11 have been consistent thank you... and stop with you accusations

my views on 9-11 have been consistent thank you... and stop with you accusations

how can i ? you have not delivered one proof that israel said it will attack iran. and i know we didnt, olmert support will rise like wonder the moment he will say that.

hey spocky

reprot me again???


I have only used the report button once (to the best of my knowledge) and that was cos of baron max's iran - whats wrong with a few haulocauts comment

perhaps its worth bearing that in mind when you call me a liar and all that,...

you can even ask plazma or james or whoever to back that up

hey spocky

reprot me again???


I have only used the report button once (to the best of my knowledge) and that was cos of baron max's iran - whats wrong with a few haulocauts comment

perhaps its worth bearing that in mind when you call me a liar and all that,...

you can even ask plazma or james or whoever to back that up

sl report me also :D

sl report me also :D

no i dotn do that

how can i ? you have not delivered one proof that israel said it will attack iran. and i know we didnt, olmert support will rise like wonder the moment he will say that.

no it has done better and planned for it instead!!!:D

no it has done better and planned for it instead!!!:D

maybe, i dont know, israel never said anything. but since you somehow received knowledge not based on facts or reality, we should believe you.

maybe, i dont know, israel never said anything. but since you somehow received knowledge not based on facts or reality, we should believe you.

they ahve a good record of bombing countries though dont they??

they ahve a good record of bombing countries though dont they??

compared to the arabs they dont.

"One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet."

With American permission, 9/11 was masterminded and executed by Zionist elite. The evidence is too compelling to think otherwise.

It's scarey seeing people actually believe this. :eek:
Really.

It's scarey seeing people actually believe this. :eek:
Really.

It is scary that people blindly believe any theory including the official US government theory. We don't know what we don't know.



To believe it would be a ...conspiracy is bordering on complete disconnection from reality. To keep it covered up would be impossible as SOMEONE would let it slip somewhere.

That is the standard defense against all conspiracy theories. If something slipped out how would it rise above the noise? So many scandals float around in back pages in on the web for years before they gain traction. The media are cowardly and don't want to alienate their audience. Which mainstream media should go first in breaking a story for which they will be mocked?

I hope Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is not executed. Because it is possible that Dick Cheney's people collaborated with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, executing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would be destroying evidence.

There should be a poll option for "i don't know" because I don't think any one can be overly sure one way or another.

IIRC, even members of the 9/11 commission expressed that they thought their investigation was insufficient in some ways, like figuring out why the planes were not intercepted. (Though they never were even inquiring in the direction of "who did it", I believe they accepted Al Qaeda as the sole culprit from the start).

People who say what TW Scott said, that such a conspiracy would be impossible, are flat wrong. Ironically part of the reason for this is because people like that categorically believe it to be impossible, so even if it was true, they would never accept it. We have historical example of a very similar conspiracy. "Operation Northwoods", a CIA idea where they considered blowing up an American tourist vessel and blaming Cuba. It never happened, but it was proposed. You can view the official unclassified documents for yourself (which is surprising).

Also, we certainly cannot trust Bush and co, the group that is under suspicion. There is a large amount of circumstantial evidence, such as him using 9/11 to advantage, some member of his staff saying that they needed a "Pearl Harbor" in order to gather the public support for their goals.

So would Bush kill 3000 Americans in order to get what he wants? Why not? That is a small fraction of his death toll overseas, so it's not as if his conscious would get in the way. That is not proof, just cause for suspicion.

compared to the arabs they dont.

Hey, I'm still waiting for you to name 10 people from Al Queda. You've been on the clock since 7am this mornning.

I'm waiting :confused:

Hey, I'm still waiting for you to name 10 people from Al Queda. You've been on the clock since 7am this mornning.

I'm waiting :confused:

waiting for me like a good puppy?

http://www.savvy-dog-lovers.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/Puppy.JPG

whos a good boy? whos a good boy?

al qaeda. sure the planes did not topple the building so al qaeda planted mini nukes before they rammed the plane into the building.

That has to be the dumbest thing I have heard said in the last twenty four hours.

It That is the standard defense against all conspiracy theories. If something slipped out how would it rise above the noise? So many scandals float around in back pages in on the web for years before they gain traction. The media are cowardly and don't want to alienate their audience. Which mainstream media should go first in breaking a story for which they will be mocked?

A conspiracy on such a massive scale would have mountains of evidence paper, computer files, photgraphs and so on. The people who were part of the conspiracy would have physcial evidence, not wild conjecture. They would have whatever they thought was most damning before they went public. All we have seen is moonbat conspiracy nuts claiming the CIA let it happen just like they claim we have never been to the moon.

The critics of conspiracy theories allways postulate that something like that couldn't be held secret. I say bullshit! If, Lockeed Martin, Northrup Gruman, and Raytheon can keep their technological marvels secret, proves that sercrets exist:) Fascinating isn't it;)

The critics of conspiracy theories allways postulate that something like that couldn't be held secret. I say bullshit! If, Lockeed Martin, Northrup Gruman, and Raytheon can keep their technological marvels secret, proves that sercrets exist:) Fascinating isn't it;)

Small problem, those technological secrets aren't. Their filed in the patent office just like everyone else.

However if they did exist as secrets, they aren't ones about killing 3000+ people. A new turbine model doesn't hit you in the gut like seeing 3000+ faces every night. So it's not a proper analogy.

The question should be, what are the people who made 9-11 happen planning to do now?

Islamic extremists that were brought to power with the US's help during the 80s to defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Small problem, those technological secrets aren't. Their filed in the patent office just like everyone else.

However if they did exist as secrets, they aren't ones about killing 3000+ people. A new turbine model doesn't hit you in the gut like seeing 3000+ faces every night. So it's not a proper analogy.

That's incorrect, advance military technology is top secret. That's why our country is infested with spies from Russia and China trying to aquire our military trade secrets. So my analogy is sound, yours is beyond fallacious.

How China Steals U.S. Military Secrets

A spate of recent spying cases opens the lid on China's aggressive military buildup. What's most troubling: It is based largely on U.S. technology.


http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/3319656.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/3319656.html

Chinese have stolen SOOOOOOOOOO much technology...its disgusting.

That's incorrect, advance military technology is top secret. That's why our country is infested with spies from Russia and China trying to aquire our military trade secrets. So my analogy is sound, yours is beyond fallacious.

Actually there is very, very little technolgy that is completely top secret. In fact I dare say none is completely secret. Almost everything that the military uses now the average citizen will have in ten to fifteen years. Oddly with a patent from around when it was used in the military. It's not so much the technology that is a secret, but in which combinations it is used. The only real secrets are code technology, but even that stuff gets leaked occassionally.

All of which supports my analogy of you can't keep a secret for long. If some agency in the SU had helped 9/11 there would be evidence and someone would have leaked it. There hasn;t been so much as one paragraph, memo, photograph or anything that ended up leaked. It's been six years with thousands of people looking. So where is the evidence.

Chinese have stolen SOOOOOOOOOO much technology...its disgusting.

iphone, avionics, architechture, I could go on forever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTa697yCgKU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTa697yCgKU

thats just stuPИD :D

thats just stuPИD :D

Didn't the chinese also copy the mig-21?

thats just stuPИD :D

The J-10 is a mix of the Saab gripen with the F-16. No denying that. :p

"Who did 9/11?"

The original al-Qaeda, with the help of some princes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-10XC-Lj4yc) on a steeple (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Egypt.Aswan.Mosque.02.jpg/140px-Egypt.Aswan.Mosque.02.jpg), and all the pretty people (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2777477.stm) out drinking (http://saudijeans.org/2007/10/19/driving-while-drunk/), thinking that they've got it made (http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/news-watch/caliphate/newsweek-caliwho.html).

compared to the arabs they dont.

do they spocky???? perhaps you can compare the 2 before you claim either or

Hey, I'm still waiting for you to name 10 people from Al Queda. You've been on the clock since 7am this mornning.

I'm waiting :confused:


spocky has problems answering some questions ganymede even if it is a question based on ssomething he has said, you could be in for a long wait, espically after the conceited arrogance of his post after your reminder.

Sorry, burst Dragons conspiracy theory, but it most definately was Al-Qaeda.

To believe it would be a CIA conspiracy is bordering on complete disconnection from reality. To keep it covered up would be impossible as SOMEONE would let it slip somewhere.

-Covered up ? CIA ~ Al Qaeda, lol, it wasnt covered up, not very well at least, talking about paradoxes, mesmerizing...

Who really cares at this point in time. Why keep beating a dead horse. We need to stop the stupid war in Iraq not try to come up with more conspiracy theories about 9-11.

-Same thing, expose the pigs sitting on that pile of shit and you see that they are the same ones that sucks money out of that other pile of shit.

I think some people deliberately look the other way (away from reality) simply because they hate America so much, they're willing to go along with any contrived theory that puts down America and the "evil" CIA.

-Amused and worried mostly.

thats a about right!!!!

9-11 happening is the biggest act of incompetence in history - the US govt should be highly ashamed it happened.

how the fuck a fucked up loon in a cave planned and executed that is beyond me. - a 757 crashing into the heart of the military headquarters of the most powerful nation in history!!!!

How muthafuckin embarassing for the US government!!!!

and it was done by the the nationals of a country which owns like 6% of the US and is meant to be one fo there biggest buddies...

it gets more embarrasing the more you look at it!!!

-Its so embarassing that it isnt true.

It's scarey seeing people actually believe this. :eek:
Really.

-Ignorance is a bliss they say, for a reason.

Here you go Bluemoose, this is for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMj5LuT5hk

"Who did 9/11?"

The original al-Qaeda, with the help of some princes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-10XC-Lj4yc) on a steeple (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Egypt.Aswan.Mosque.02.jpg/140px-Egypt.Aswan.Mosque.02.jpg), and all the pretty people (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2777477.stm) out drinking (http://saudijeans.org/2007/10/19/driving-while-drunk/), thinking that they've got it made (http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/news-watch/caliphate/newsweek-caliwho.html).

yeah man, they used the cone of silence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLZKEre3yJ0

Here you go Bluemoose, this is for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMj5LuT5hk

-Rather old stuff but funny, here is little fresher tune for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-xVN0xERk&feature=related

Sorry, burst Dragons conspiracy theory, but it most definately was Al-Qaeda.

To believe it would be a CIA conspiracy is bordering on complete disconnection from reality. To keep it covered up would be impossible as SOMEONE would let it slip somewhere.

No one has slipped on the kennedy assasination yet...

I did 9/11 she was a real hoe.

For want of a better term I'd have to say AQ did it - but as certain people have pointed out AQ doesn't exist.

In fact it does - sort of - just not in the way that we are often led to beleive.

AQ is not a terrorist organisation in the same way that the IRA was a terrorist organisation (seen by many as a model of how such an organisation should be run and copied by many such as hamas) - highly organised with a structured heirarchy, centrally controlled, strategically planned, well funded and well armed with numerous arms caches - multiple national and international cells with different roles and functions etc.

AQ is an idea, its a handbook, and loose collection of individuals with similar aims who can provide some help, and contacts for those who wish to carry out an operation. You could never be a member of AQ because there isn't really anything to be a member of.

One of the finest distillations of the situation and its historical and political roots was shown on the three part BBC documentary The Politics of Nightmares - its available on google video and well worth a watch if you haven't seen it.

Welcome to SF, synthesizer-patel.

I agree with you, the Beeb did an admirable job describing the inflation and exploitation of the al-Qaeda label in The Power (& politics if you like) of Nightmares (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA).

At the core of the 9-11 terrorist plot, there was by necessity an organization. But the exposure of the actual 9-11 network never happened. No substantive investigation was pursued within the Saudi Kingdom. The neoconservatives in power had other plans for the channeling of USAmerican rage [1] that conflicted with a criminal investigation. A nebulously-defined "al-Qaeda" menace was exploited by the neoconservatives in order to proceed with aggressive foreign policy, behind a smokescreen of confusion about the specifics of the organization that perpetrated the 9-11 attacks.

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[1] September 2000 PNAC Report Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century (http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm) (see P. 51 "New Pearl Harbor")

No one has slipped on the kennedy assasination yet...

Well kinda hard to slip on a conspiracy that DOESN'T EXIST.

-Covered up ? CIA ~ Al Qaeda, lol, it wasnt covered up, not very well at least, talking about paradoxes, mesmerizing...

Okay, show me the documents that prove without even an ounce of doubt the CIA did it. Show me someone in on the conspiracy that has come forward. Show me something that says your right and sane rational world is wrong.

Don't have it? Can't find one?

My sources tell me that Mr.Spock did it.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/conspiracy_theories.png

Mega-conspiracy hysteria provided convenient cover for the official abandonment of diligent investigation of the 9-11 attack organizers and financiers.

So what is the final "official" story?

So what is the final "official" story?

He did it! :poke:

S.A.M.: "So what is the final "official" story?"

"Ignorance is Blitz."

Leaving the 9-11 crime network uninvestigated has provided for maximum exploitation of the anger. Had the entire network been rolled up (as there was ample, co-operative international opportunity to do shortly after the attack) it would have been "case closed" and there would never have been the necessary support for initiating the present military campaigns. There remains considerable resentment in the intelligence and interpol communities for being ignored and sidelined from doing their jobs in response to the 9-11 crime.

Its really surprising that 6 years hence, no one even bothers to clear up the loose ends.

ie the fake Osama tape, the unknown origin of their funds, the details of the hiackers, the fact that al Qaeda has yet to be indicted (for lack fo evidence, or Osama rather).

They've launched wars on two countries and utterly destroyed them using the attack on the twin towers as an excuse and yet not even basic investigation has been completed on the attack itself!

-While USAmericans look down our noses at foreign mobs.

Okay, show me the documents that prove without even an ounce of doubt the CIA did it. Show me someone in on the conspiracy that has come forward. Show me something that says your right and sane rational world is wrong.

Don't have it? Can't find one?

-Been there done that...
-Unless its not in black and white with some "official" stamp on it, its noot good enough for you.

Its really surprising that 6 years hence, no one even bothers to clear up the loose ends.

ie the fake Osama tape, the unknown origin of their funds, the details of the hiackers, the fact that al Qaeda has yet to be indicted (for lack fo evidence, or Osama rather).

They've launched wars on two countries and utterly destroyed them using the attack on the twin towers as an excuse and yet not even basic investigation has been completed on the attack itself!

-Been wondering that too, but I think its for the obvious reasons, divide and conquer,
split them to fight each other while picking up the fruits of it.
While they leave it all open they keep repeating their mantras, such as blaa blaa evil terrorists blaa blaa economy blaa blaa security blaa blaa freedom blaa blaa surveillence blaa blaa.........and all that is going to generate more terrorists, merry go round.
-Pushing Diablos magic box on voting day will wipe all that away and more Fear Factors on tube where fellow humans are sucking out milk from goats nipples for oppurtunity to win money. That did make devil himself proud.

Its really surprising that 6 years hence, no one even bothers to clear up the loose ends.

ie the fake Osama tape, the unknown origin of their funds, the details of the hiackers, the fact that al Qaeda has yet to be indicted (for lack fo evidence, or Osama rather).

They've launched wars on two countries and utterly destroyed them using the attack on the twin towers as an excuse and yet not even basic investigation has been completed on the attack itself!

fake osama tape? no investigation? that is from al jazeera?

While they leave it all open they keep repeating their mantras, such as blaa blaa, blaa blaa, blaa blaa, blaa blaa freedom blaa blaa surveillence blaa blaa.........and all merry go round.
-Pushing Diablos magic box on voting day will wipe all that away and more Fear Factors on tube where fellow humans are sucking out milk from goats nipples for oppurtunity to win money. That did make devil himself proud.

bla blaa. you smoke a ton of weed. am i right?

bla blaa. you smoke a ton of weed. am i right?

-And you are pulling rabbits out of your arse. Am I right ?. ? .

-And you are pulling rabbits out of your arse. Am I right ?. ? .

uh, no. i dont think so:rolleyes:

We dont take the word arse seriously anyway. Just sit there and laugh at people who use it.:D

Thanks hypewaders - I'm guessing from your avatar that you might be feeling an odd mixture of optimism and dread right now - good luck to you and your countrymen!

I'd say your post is pretty much spot on, although - just to clarify - I'm not suggesting that there was no organisational structure involved in planning 9/11 . What I am saying is that the portrayal of AQ by people such a Wolfowitz - and I paraphrase: "an organisation with hundreds of cells, and a presence in over 60 countries worldwide, ready to strike at any moment" was an utter fabrication.

-Been there done that...
-Unless its not in black and white with some "official" stamp on it, its noot good enough for you.

Actually until it's concrete it isn't good enough to even be considered evidence.

If you are unwilling to cough it up and show it, then I guess you are admitting you have none and are simply spouting off.

uh, no. i dont think so:rolleyes:

We dont take the word arse seriously anyway. Just sit there and laugh at people who use it.:D

-And still you did it again...
...pulling a rabbit...

Actually until it's concrete it isn't good enough to even be considered evidence.

If you are unwilling to cough it up and show it, then I guess you are admitting you have none and are simply spouting off.

-So what do you expect to find here, the official truth maybe ?...lol...
-Wanna go here again ?...http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=68448&highlight=building
-Any new NIST reports around ? Gimme some Pop-Mecs at least...

Cheers

--So what do you expect to find here, the official truth maybe ?...lol...
-Wanna go here again ?...http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=68448&highlight=building
-Any new NIST reports around ? Gimme some Pop-Mecs at least...

Cheers

Actually, I expect you to learn from your actions. You keep on the same attack only to be debunked each and everytime. The only way past this is concrete evidence. You've got less than nothing. You've got wild conjectures that don't even have the details matching any form of reality. But I am realizing you will never learn, at least not on this.

Actually, I expect you to learn from your actions. You keep on the same attack only to be debunked each and everytime. The only way past this is concrete evidence. You've got less than nothing. You've got wild conjectures that don't even have the details matching any form of reality. But I am realizing you will never learn, at least not on this.

-Thats funny...and sad. Last time we debated (the thread in the link) you did make monkey out of yourself, you couldnt refute anything, you couldnt even understand simple probability mathematics, you were spouting insults and throwing childish arguments, in other words you did everything that what you are accusing me of...
-i dont obviously have concrete evidence but so dont you, actually the
official reports are worth of nothing since they cant put together what happened, except the "wild conjectures" are there.
I´m using logic when there is no evidence, go back to building 7 thread, read it and you see it, I´m not the one pulling rabbits.

:shrug:

Who did 9/11 ?
The dating guys at the govt., they got pissed off at 11.9.

-Thats funny...and sad. Last time we debated (the thread in the link) you did make monkey out of yourself, you couldnt refute anything, you couldnt even understand simple probability mathematics, you were spouting insults and throwing childish arguments, in other words you did everything that what you are accusing me of...
-i dont obviously have concrete evidence but so dont you, actually the
official reports are worth of nothing since they cant put together what happened, except the "wild conjectures" are there.
I´m using logic when there is no evidence, go back to building 7 thread, read it and you see it, I´m not the one pulling rabbits.

:shrug:

Of course you're not pulling rabbits, your hand is coming out completely empty. Not to mention you must have had a role reversal in you mind about the last debate. You were thoroughly crushed by reality before you began>

The official reports have the evidence and scinetific fact behind them. All you have is the desire to prove reality is wrong.

I can't believe how clueless and gullible 90% of you are. How could you honestly respect yourselves, knowing that you're accepting one version of events solely on blind faith. There's no legible video evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon, despite the abundance of security cameras on the pentagons premises. No video evidence of the other 17 Hi-jackers boarding the planes. All witnesses to the crime have been murdered, no record of what was being said or discussed inside of the pilots cockpit, and you have the gall to call someone like me a conspiracy theorist?

Americans are just gullible period. But I'm sort of thankful that Americas are so gullible and clueless. If not, my childhood would of been pretty mundane. Thanks to all of the gullible parents (including mine) who were stupid enough to believe that we weren't going to throw raging parties filled with alchohol and drugs, the moment they left town.

Of course you're not pulling rabbits, your hand is coming out completely empty. Not to mention you must have had a role reversal in you mind about the last debate. You were thoroughly crushed by reality before you began>

The official reports have the evidence and scinetific fact behind them. All you have is the desire to prove reality is wrong.

-Unbelievable... :yawn:

-Unbelievable... :yawn:

says the "blue" moose.