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DJSupreme23
06-27-03, 12:16 PM
I just got tired of seen the posts with people claiming the USA were the prime arms supplier to Saddam Hussein, so I hereby post this:

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http://www.csis.org/mideast/reports/mbmeXiraq122898.pdf

den oprindelige pdf. fil fra Center for International & Strategic Studies (relev. tal s. 22)



Who Armed Iraq? Thanks to this letter to the Times of London I found the answer for some major countries:

Arms Sales to Iraq, 1973-1991

United States $5,000,000
Britain $330,000,000
Germany $995,000,000
China $5,500,000,000
France $9,240,000,000
Soviet Union $31,800,000,000

The data comes, by way of a man who works in a dermatology laboratory, from an expert on Iraqi arms, Anthony Cordesman. Here's a Cordesman paper with the data (page 22). And, here's a catalog of his organization's papers, if you want to explore further. (Thanks to Ken Hirsch for sending me these links.) It is not coincidence that those who now object to disarming Saddam are those who armed him in the past.

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Letters to the Editor

March 14, 2003

Supplies of arms and oil revenues From Professor Andrew J. Hamilton



Sir, I have often heard the claim that "we armed Saddam". Thankfully A. H. Cordesman, in his 1998 report on the Iraqi military for the Center for Strategic & International Studies, has enlightened me. In the key period between 1973-91 the US exported a mere $5 million of weapons to Iraq; more reprehensibly the UK sold $330 million-worth of arms. Of much greater interest are the arms export totals to Iraq of the four countries most against military action: Germany with $995 million, China $5,500 million, France $9,240 million, and the Russians a massive $31,800 million. So the claim that we armed Saddam has to be treated with a degree of care, particularly by those who would award the moral high ground in this debate to the leaders of nations such as Germany, France and Russia.

I remain your obedient servant, ANDREW HAMILTON, Dermatology Laboratory, Thomas Guy House, Guy's Hospital, St Thomas' Street, SE1 9RT. March 10.


From Mr R. W. Leon

Sir, Russia has a vested interest in keeping the stand-off with Iraq going for a few months more. Russia is now a major exporter of oil, and it will be in trouble if it loses this income. Oil at $20 per barrel is not near so attractive as oil at $35, and the difference would be felt by the Russian economy. Even $20 might not hold after the US victory, and we may see oil even lower.

When this war with Iraq is over there should be a complete rethink about the United Nations, for its present form is purely a relic of the Second World War and it no longer reflects the realities of the new century.

Yours truly, R. W. LEON, Glion House, Montreux Court, Douglas, Isle of Man IM2 6AF. March 13.

WasiGermany
06-27-03, 12:31 PM
5,000,000 $ ???
are you joking ?
do you believe this number ?
uhmmmm ......somebody here who knows the price for one M16 ?
or what did the usa sold to saddam ?
i´m curious for some real numbers ; 5,000,000 is definitely wrong !

EI_Sparks
06-27-03, 12:35 PM
DJ,
A fortnight or thereabouts after Halajba, Rumsfeld shook Hussein's hand, sat down with him, and gave him $300,000,000 in credit to buy more arms. Now is he innocent if Hussein bought $300,000,000 worth of british arms with that money?

(And of course, if you want to be accurate, the US were the first to arm Hussein - they gave him the rifle he was supposed to use in '59 to assassinate the then prime minister of Iraq...)

DJSupreme23
06-27-03, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by WasiGermany
5,000,000 $ ???
are you joking ?
do you believe this number ?
uhmmmm ......somebody here who knows the price for one M16 ?
or what did the usa sold to saddam ?
i´m curious for some real numbers ; 5,000,000 is definitely wrong !

Interesting that you mention an M16 - Iraq's soldiers used AK-47's - Russian made automatic rifles.

bhudmaash
06-27-03, 12:39 PM
It is not coincidence that those who now object to disarming Saddam are those who armed him in the past.

It wasn't about disarming, it was about the propegation of the US's middle eastern strategy which said countries opposed.
And in any case, they objected, at least they're not being hypocrites.

When this war with Iraq is over

...it's only just begun.

SG-N
06-27-03, 01:11 PM
United States $5,000,000
LOL, USA would not have SOLD more weapons to Iraq?
Shit... you're a great dreamer! :rolleyes:

WasiGermany
06-27-03, 01:18 PM
perhaps the weapons that were sold to saddam were dirty dirty cheap :D
nah , nobody here with facts ?

bhudmaash
06-27-03, 01:24 PM
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm

Jihad_AlifLamLamHah
06-27-03, 01:37 PM
Hey DJ Supreme

Thanks for that wonderfull link :cool:

But first lets understand here for a minute that the accusation based concenring USA-Hussain alliance does not depend on weapon-supplies .

Saddam key in early CIA plot (http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=6826&TagID=2)

Secondly , can you provide full backup with those ridiculous numbers ? I mean the rapport is wonderfull and all , but I wanna see each buch spent by Iraqi government , each buck earned by Iraqi government and each military transfer by definition .

In the context of Saddams importance in various cases it cannot be so that this :

Soviet Union $31,800,000,000-United States $5,000,000

would be any representative of the Iraqi-USA arms situation , its quite ridiculous .

And we dont need just such a big period of time to show the numbers either , but a year to year summary . Presenting your numbers in this context is highly failing in reflecting the situation .

If anyone's with me Im for figuring it out , what we need is
a)proof of numbers through detailed specification of what exactly was sold etc
b)proof of logical historical development through a year to year rapport aside the historical-political context . The Noam-method sort of speak ...... what was sold when where to who why and what happened at the same time as well elsewhere ?


When this war with Iraq is over there should be a complete rethink about the United Nations, for its present form is purely a relic of the Second World War and it no longer reflects the realities of the new century.


Couldnt agree more , get rid of Nato as well will ya ? Just make "coalition of the willing" so we can start screwing with the maps of force , wow this would even bring a war-in-europe scenario back into reasonable possibility

Rumsfeld shook Hussein's hand, sat down with him, and gave him $300,000,000 in credit to buy more arms. Now is he innocent if Hussein bought $300,000,000 worth of british arms with that money?

Oh yes I totally forgot Spark , ofcourse simple $ sponsorship should be calculated as well . This thread's is getting weaker by the moment .

they gave him the rifle he was supposed to use in '59 to assassinate the then prime minister of Iraq

:mad:

DJ
Iraq's soldiers used AK-47's - Russian made automatic rifles.

I bet thats gonna make the difference :rolleyes:

...it's only just begun.

Indeed it just did bro , we will hear alot from Al-Majlis al-Al'a lil-Thawra al-Islamiyya fi al-'Iraq (http://www.sciri.btinternet.co.uk/) & Al-Hizb al-Shuyu'i al-Iraqi (http://www.iraqcp.org/framse1/) .

What Im really wondering right now is a moral question considereing Al Fidayi , should they be allowed to ally ? Untill now they are the most active , and I do think that they would contribute alot in the resistance to come . However they are who they are , but keeping in mind that their power has gone and they form no longer such a threat I really think that result should count over intention/means on this one .

What has happened to the 2.4 M Ba'athists ? They are releasing Al-Sahaf just like that ? They are re-installing murder-militias back in their old copper-posts ? Morality doesnt seem to mean that much .

Also I wonder what happened to the 40.000 Fidayi ? And the 8.000 Ashbar kids ? And is Abu Nidal in any way operative ? And what about 12.000 SRG ? Or 999 with 1800 men ? And only God knows what happened to the RG ........

Where is everybody ? This war is making no damn sense whatsoever .

justiceusa
06-27-03, 05:26 PM
The story goes like this......................................

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1998/vo14no07/vo14no07_arming.htm

And more or less ends with a congressional investigation of the Banco Nationale del Lavoro , otherwise know as the BNL scandal.

http://fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1991/h910221g.htm

The plot thickens.

http://archive.anomalies.net/archive/Fringe-Political_Belief/BNLSCAND.TXT

Yes Johnny that is how Iraq was armed.

guthrie
06-28-03, 03:17 AM
Dont forget the UK underwriting quite a lot! Us taxpayers get the boot with every arms deal. Maybe thats why the USA wanted to get iraq, didnt buy enough arms from them.

And lets not forget the supergun, it was produced just down the road from me, at sheffield forgemasters.