White, Poor, Male - And Doomed To Failure (UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-15-2006 | Graeme Wilson


White, poor, male – and doomed to fail

By Graeme Wilson, Political Correspondent
Last Updated: 2:02am GMT 15/11/2006

White working-class boys have become the new "underclass", a report by Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader, warns today.

Boys from low-income white families are bottom of the heap in school performance, trailing behind every other major ethnic group

The report argues that family breakdown, parental breakdown and peer pressure that it is not "cool to study" are the key factors in the collapse in educational achievements. It also cites drug and alcohol abuse by parents.

The report also highlights international research which shows that simply throwing more money at the problem will not provide a solution.

The bleak findings are spelt out in a study published by the Social Justice Policy Group that Mr Duncan Smith was asked to lead by David Cameron, the Conservative leader. The report stresses that only 17 per cent of white working-class boys managed to gain five or more A to C grades at GCSE.

This contrasts with the 19 per cent recorded by black Caribbean boys from poor backgrounds, who are traditionally seen as the ethnic group with the worst educational achievement.

Other groups have significantly better results. Around seven out of 10 boys from working-class Chinese families get at least five A to C grades at GCSE, while the figure for Indian boys is around 40 per cent.

Mr Duncan Smith said there was a danger that the problem has been disguised because results for white boys were boosted by the performance of boys from middle-class backgrounds.

"If you strip out the results of white middle-class boys, the position really is extraordinarily bad," he said.

"The fact that poor children from Chinese and Indian backgrounds, where family structures are strong and learning is highly valued, outscore so dramatically children from homes where these values are often missing suggests that culture, not ethnicity or cash, is the key to educational achievement.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/15/nboys15.xml

Oh snap, this proves everything that I've said all along. The reason that Asians outscore everyone on tests is purely "cultural" the same goes with Indians. So now it looks like White working class Childern are suffering even worse then Black working class children. So Baron, Scheenleneedtoshower,JB etc, lets see you spin this.

****Popcorn*****:m:
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Boys from low-income white families are bottom of the heap in school performance, trailing behind every other major ethnic group

First, what about the girls from the same families? Also, is there a study for this, or is it just speculation?

Scheenleneedtoshower


White people don't need to shower as much as negroids. We have less sweat glands. Fact. Just because you stink up faster than me doesn't mean I, in my freezing cold Scottish home, need to shower as much as you.

I'll get to your racist propaganda next.


Edit: lol, basically Ganymede's message for this thread is basically "look, there's someone more stupid and worthless than us". How pathetic is that. So we have gone from "africans are the master race" to "at least someone is less intelligent than us". Nice one.

Well, congratulations Ganymede.

Oh snap, this proves everything that I've said all along.

So one lousy article by one lousy "political correspondent" proves something to you???? You're not very highly scientific, are you?

I could probably point you to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of sites with articles that "prove" that non-whites are the scrouge of the Earth ....would you be so quick to believe those like you've done with the article you posted??? Hmmm? Why not???

Baron Max

White people don't need to shower as much as negroids. We have less sweat glands. Fact. Just because you stink up faster than me doesn't mean I, in my freezing cold Scottish home, need to shower as much as you.

Maybe your nasal pasages have been detroyed by coke. Scots stink like shit.

White people don't need to shower as much as negroids. We have less sweat glands. Fact. Just because you stink up faster than me doesn't mean I, in my freezing cold Scottish home, need to shower as much as you.

I'll get to your racist propaganda next.


Edit: lol, basically Ganymede's message for this thread is basically "look, there's someone more stupid and worthless than us". How pathetic is that. So we have gone from "africans are the master race" to "at least someone is less intelligent than us". Nice one.

Well, congratulations Ganymede.

Nope, sorry Schlee-needa-shower! I'm not going to stoop down to your racist level. The point of this article shows that cultural and enviormental factors play a prominent roll in scholastic achievment. You are so hell bent on proving that Whites are superior, that you're missing the point. This study was spearheaded by Ian Duncan Smith, former leader of the British Conservative party. A man who wants nothing but the best for his White countrymen. The facts are on my side, the only thing on your side is negative thoughts, insults, and actions. That will only breed more negativity in your mind. And Blind you from the truth.

So one lousy article by one lousy "political correspondent" proves something to you???? You're not very highly scientific, are you?

Yes I'm very scientificly inclined! Until you can provide a peer reviewd study that refutes the facts that Ian Duncan Smith has illustrated in this article, please refrain from making yourself looking more ignorant then you already are.

I could probably point you to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of sites with articles that "prove" that non-whites are the scrouge of the Earth

I can point to you hundreds of sites that says the same about non-blacks. The difference is, Ian Duncan Smith is one of Europes most prominent political figures. You pride yourself, and base your self worth based on achievments that were done by prominent members of your race. But once they provide facts that contradicts your theories you discredit them all together. If you believe Whites are superior, then you should believe this study, it was spearheaded by a White Superior man, the type you bow down and pledge allegence to.

would you be so quick to believe those like you've done with the article you posted??? Hmmm? Why not???

If they had irrefutable facts then yes. But the point is they don't. For years demonic racists like yourself had said that Blacks couldn't do the most basic things. But now we have Blacks excelling in every single proffesion known to man. So that obliterates any theory that you propagate.

Most people in any society are usually working class. The fundamental difference between the indigenous working class and the immigrant, is that the indigenous grow complacent, have no ambition, expect to own material possessions as a right and grow old with teenagely ignorant attitudes; doing the 9-5, going home and zombifying in front of the TV with alcohol and drugs. Their kids grow up as unruly, ignorant and stupid hooligans and the parents don't give a shit and don't have a clue.

The immigrants usually have to start off in the working class, but the main reason they uproot from their lands and cultures is for a better life and a chance to grow and for this reason, they try harder, have a more serious attitude to life and their future and understand the importance of education and discipline when it comes to their own kids. Most immigrants outgrow the working class by the second or third generation in a country by sheer hardwork and co-operation and become middle class. By then of course, they have become more or less indigenous and some may start to pick up the habits of the other indigenous, the difference, is that by becoming middle class and rich, the habits they pick up are not nearly as destructive.

Nope, sorry Schlee-needa-shower! I'm not going to stoop down to your racist level. The point of this article shows that cultural and enviormental factors play a prominent roll in scholastic achievment. You are so hell bent on proving that Whites are superior, that you're missing the point. This study was spearheaded by Ian Duncan Smith, former leader of the British Conservative party. A man who wants nothing but the best for his White countrymen. The facts are on my side, the only thing on your side is negative thoughts, insults, and actions. That will only breed more negativity in your mind. And Blind you from the truth.

The burden of proof is upon you.

I don't have to prove shit. If I needed to prove anything, I'd just point at a nuclear warhead, a computer, or a space shuttle.

Your point is still just "look, there is someone more ignorant than us."

Most people in any society are usually working class. The fundamental difference between the indigenous working class and the immigrant, is that the indigenous grow complacent, have no ambition, expect to own material possessions as a right and grow old with teenagely ignorant attitudes; doing the 9-5, going home and zombifying in front of the TV with alcohol and drugs. Their kids grow up as unruly, ignorant and stupid hooligans and the parents don't give a shit and don't have a clue.

The immigrants usually have to start off in the working class, but the main reason they uproot from their lands and cultures is for a better life and a chance to grow and for this reason, they try harder, have a more serious attitude to life and their future and understand the importance of education and discipline when it comes to their own kids. Most immigrants outgrow the working class by the second or third generation in a country by sheer hardwork and co-operation and become middle class. By then of course, they have become more or less indigenous and some may start to pick up the habits of the other indigenous, the difference, is that by becoming middle class and rich, the habits they pick up are not nearly as destructive.

BINGO, that's why African Immigrants out perform American Black students! Most immigrant Africans I know are straight A students. Eventhough racists like Baron, Scheleeneedashower & say that Africans can't have an IQ of 75.

The burden of proof is upon you.

I don't have to prove shit. If I needed to prove anything, I'd just point at a nuclear warhead, a computer, or a space shuttle.

Your point is still just "look, there is someone more ignorant than us."

You're right no Blacks helped build Nasa to what it is today!

http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/people/bios/women/ae.html

Here at NASA, we are extremely proud of the history that was made by Frederick D. Gregory last year, when this veteran of three Space Shuttle flights became our first African American Deputy Administrator.

http://nasapeople.nasa.gov/employeebenefits/news/NAAmonth.htm

In addition to the 14 African-American astronauts, there have been countless more scientists, mathematicians, physicists, astronomers, doctors and engineers who have made significant scientific, engineering and medical contributions.

Take for example, Robert Shurney. A physicist from Tennessee State University, it was Dr. Shurney who designed the tires for the moon buggy used during the Apollo 15 mission in 1972. His ingenious design used wire mesh in the place of rubber to save weight yet still provide the needed flexibility.

http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/space/news/saafeb.html

So Scheleenshower, feel free to point to the space shuttles, but I'm not done roasting your racist ass yet.

Dr. Vance Marchbanks, a heart surgeon and medical specialist for NASA, helped develop ways to monitor astronautsÕ vital signs during space flight. It was Dr. Marchbanks who was responsible for John GlennÕs health during AmericaÕs first orbital flight.

http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/space/news/saafeb.html

Oh snap, this can't be Scheelenstink! You must be ready to spontaneously combust right now.


George Carruthers, an astronautical engineer, built the camera that was carried to the moon on Apollo 16. He also designed and built a combination telescope and camera used on the shuttle missions. Some of the most enduring images from space were made using Dr. Carruthers' cameras.

Not looking good for you right now Scheelenstink!


Christine Darden, a mathematician and mechanical engineer, has been with NASA since 1966. Dr. Darden is a recognized leader in the reduction of shock waves from spacecraft wings and nose cones.

Oh noes, this can't be! I think you're right Scheelenstink, lets point to the shuttles.

Sadly, most young(like JB,Baron & Scheelen--don'tshower) people would not recognize any of these names. For these African-Americans to achieve their position within the space program required extraordinary courage and perseverance. They often had to work harder and longer to soar over the setbacks

http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/space/news/saafeb.html

Ok, now that the shuttle argument has been won by me, we'll proceed to your next superiority crutch.

Computers

Philip Emeagwali, a computer scientist, is but one example. He uses his mathematical and computer expertise to develop methods for extracting more petroleum from oil fields.

It was his formula that used 65,000 separate computer processors to perform 3.1 billion calculations per second in 1989. That feat led to computer scientists comprehending the capabilities of supercomputers and the practical applications of creating a system that allowed multiple computers to communicate. He is recognized as one of the fathers of the Internet.

Scheeleneedashower, can you duplicate any of these achievments? No because you're intellectually inferior to these Africans who you call primates.

BINGO, that's why African Immigrants out perform American Black students! Most immigrant Africans I know are straight A students. Eventhough racists like Baron, Scheleeneedashower & say that Africans can't have an IQ of 75.

Most immigrants have to work harder because immigrants literally start on the bottom of the floor if not below the floor of poverty itself. There is no middle class for immigrants, chances are for immigrants it's do or die.

In general there are two kinds of people. It does not matter if they are immigrant or not, because there are only two kinds. The first kind of person, whether they came here recently or were here for hundreds of years, have a long family tradition of being educated. Success is tradition in successful families. Failure is tradition is failing families.

I won't go so far as to say that immigrants who come here are all successful. Legal immigrants yes, because they go through backround checks and often come here with an education, and with goals. You also have immigrants who come here only to commit crimes, sell drugs, start gangs, and a lot of the time these immigrants come here illegally.

Finally you have the natives who have been here for generations, for the most part, the natives already own property, already have an education, already have a family history to protect. You are right, after a few generations of being college educated and still being in poverty, many give up on the American dream, and immigrants come here not knowing any better and still believe in the American dream. That's the main difference.

Example, Martin Luther King, black male from America, who was a doctor, gets assasinated for being "smart" and for being "loud", sends a huge msg to minorities.

On the other hand, if they just came here they'd have no concept of American history, or of slavery, or of the fact that they can never be president without being assasinated, etc.

The difference is optimism vs cynicism. Too much cynicism will make a person think education is a waste of time. I highly doubt immigrants when they come here looking for a better life, were envisioning a ghetto, and working in Walmart, or as a Taxi driver, even though they were a doctor in their country, or have a degree in this country, but these sorts of things do happen.

In european immigrants, who have been here for generations, and who are working class or living in trailers, for them it's even worse. If someone is a european immigrant with hundreds of years of headstart, there can be no excuse, racism wont be an excuse, If someone lacks an education in this position, it's less of an excuse. Basically, I'd say that european white immigrants are going to be the most hurt, as most people living in poverty, will likely be white women, and this is based on the numbers. Women make only 75% of what males make for the same work. european white women in specific, make up the majority of the US population. Poverty is going to continue ot increase over time, and immigrants will only make the problems worse for natives because immigrants who are just coming here will literally flood the market with PHDs and college educated professionals.

The problem now is the US used to be #1 in education in the world. Now it's not even in the top 10. Immigrants who come to the US legally, are the top %1 of their populations back home, basically the geniuses of the world all come to America to compete. Each immigrant KNOWS it's a big global competition all along, while many Americans think they are the center of the world.

In the end, it's the internal attitude that favors the immigrant, and the minority, it's the mindset itself.
I'm not talking about the weak, or those who refuse to try, I'm talking about the professional class and above, in this situation, natives and immigrants are slowly becoming more and more equal, and sooner rather than later what will happen is that it's just going to seperate into the educated and the uneducated. The race issue will cease to matter, the gender issue will cease to matter, it's going to come down to class, and thats going to come down to education, and the educated will become a race of their own.

Basically, it does not matter if you are black trash or white trash, it does not matter if you are in a trailer park or a ghetto, the game is simple, either you get educated or you get left behind. The minorities figure it out sooner because if you are on the bottom you have a very clear picture of humanity, you know humanity has very little compassion for you and that no one is going to help you or save you, and that you are on your own. This is something that people in the third world already know, this is also something most people in ghettos know due to the history, the people who still are least likely to know, are people who are middle class, as they have never experienced being homeless, never experienced the complete lack of empathy, or had to experience the dark side of humanity.

Once a person experiences how cruel people really are, then they know that life only gets worse in poverty, it gets worse the poorer you get, it gets riskier the poorer you get, and the only way to change that is to go in the opposite direction. The first step to doing that is to get an education. If you had to grow up in an African village with a life expentancy of 40, hell yes you'd bust your ass to get into an American University, it would literally be life and death for you, it would absolutely be your only hope for survival. If you grow up in a ghetto in the USA, and you are surrounded by gangs and violence, hell yes you will break your neck to get into a University, and get your degree, because it's life and death for you, it's literally the best way out.

Now there are other ways out, you can join the military. You can join the church. But the best way out of poverty is education, and if you are intelligent enough to take that route, no one will blame you for doing it. Sure, you can be a soldier, join the military and be intelligent and get degrees, many do, but it's much higher risk. I think if someone is living in a ghetto, and they are intelligent, it's better to go to University simply because it's risky enough just living in a ghetto. On the other hand if someone is living in a suburb and never saw much of the real world, in this situation it might actually be better to join the military and go on an adventure. Finally it depends on the individual, some individuals are just warriors and should go militant.

The point is, not everyone is going to rise out of poverty, not everyone will have the strength to do so. We should help the people who are trying to do so, no matter what their race, if they have good character, and are trying to escape poverty, we should help them escape it. We should always keep some options open besides prison. This way the people who end up in prison are the ones who choose to go there.

Intellectuals should have university, and it should be free and should remain free as long as they do community services.

Warriors should have the military, and should be paid for service with a free education up to the graduate level, or as far as their GPA and their level of service can take them.

Libraries should be free, we should have access to as much information as possible, the internet, the radio, all of that. Knowledge should be free and open, at least certain kinds of knowledge.

Finally, we need to just encourage ourselves to behave as Americans should behave. If Americans are #1, if we are supposed to be the best, we need to start acting like it, meaning we need to actually believe in ourselves enough to put unlimited efforts into being the #1 most educated country on earth. We are the #1 hardest working country on earth yet we are not the #1 most educated, so what you can say about Americans,

Americans are the ultimate workers, they work hard and stupid, instead of working smart and less hard like the rest of the planet. In my opinion, if you look at other countries, they all have longer vacations, they all work less hard, they just work smarter. We need to work smart and not hard.

You're right no Blacks helped build Nasa to what it is today!


All minor contributions, and filler. Nothing no one else could have done. I'll bet affirmative action (aka racism) had a place in getting those people through MIT too. Why even post that black history month nonsense? Do you think it couldn't have been done without those minor contributions? You are a racist. You are just the same as all those other racists who claim that because a questionably black or half-black (or even Indian as you have done) person made some minor innovation or contributed simple labour that they somehow invented the entire thing or could not have been replaced.

Ok, now that the shuttle argument has been won by me


Pathetic macho posturing. Why does this always seem so important to black men? Have you never heard of humility? You might get a little respect and support if you were a little less rude, pointlessly aggressive and overconfident.



Computers

Scheeleneedashower, can you duplicate any of these achievments?


You haven't listed anything.

No because you're intellectually inferior to these Africans who you call primates.

Where did I call africans primates you racist? Once again you have just completely made something up.

If you have to result to flaming, what does that say? Can you not debate civilly? Your obvious hatred and having to result to pathetic insults based on ignorance shows that I am getting you really fired up.

In conclusion, Ganymede is a racist who hates white people.

It's rather simple, Ganymede. There are places in the world where white people simply aren't around. If you hate us so much, why don't you just go live there?

Eventhough racists like Baron, Scheleeneedashower & say that Africans can't have an IQ of 75.

Show me where I said this, racist.

All minor contributions, and filler. Nothing no one else could have done. I'll bet affirmative action (aka racism) had a place in getting those people through MIT too. Why even post that black history month nonsense? Do you think it couldn't have been done without those minor contributions? You are a racist. You are just the same as all those other racists who claim that because a questionably black or half-black (or even Indian as you have done) person made some minor innovation or contributed simple labour that they somehow invented the entire thing or could not have been replaced.


You're blustering, adding your subjective opionions mean nothing because they're not based on facts. Just speculation and conjecture. Here's the difference between me and you. I have friends, and have dated women from all races. I've broken bread, shared my home, food, and good will with people from all races. Can you say the same? I thought not.






Pathetic macho posturing. Why does this always seem so important to black men? Have you never heard of humility? You might get a little respect and support if you were a little less rude, pointlessly aggressive and overconfident.

You don't deserve humility, in regards to this subject, you only radiate negative thoughts and actions. So that's what you're going to recieve in return.





You haven't listed anything.

Obviously you didn't read the entire post.



Where did I call africans primates you racist? Once again you have just completely made something up.

Ha Ha, you have called Africans everything under the sun but good up-standing citizens.

If you have to result to flaming, what does that say? Can you not debate civilly?

You're not civil nor are you a moral man. A person who posses the racial hatred that you do, only indicates that you're a disturbed and mis-guided individual. I've provided links directly from the source you used to support your argument. And according to Nasa, African Americans have played a major role. You lost that point. So lets move on to the next one.



Your obvious hatred and having to result to pathetic insults based on ignorance shows that I am getting you really fired up.

My insults are based on fact, and that's the fact that you're nothing more then Hitler youth wanna be.

In conclusion, Ganymede is a racist who hates white people.

I love all people. That's something that you can't say with a straight face. I just hate racist like you who propagate you're out-dated racist views.

It's rather simple, Ganymede. There are places in the world where white people simply aren't around. If you hate us so much, why don't you just go live there?

Please find one disparaging remark that I've made about any race. I'm arguing equality, you're arguing superiority. That's what seperates me from you. That's why I have the moral high ground and you don't.

I have friends, and have dated women from all races. I've broken bread, shared my home, food, and good will with people from all races. Can you say the same? I thought not.

LOL, you don't know one thing about me. How can you get personal when you are confronting a bunch of text on a screen? The very fact that you had to "get personal" shows that things have fallen apart at your end and you're probably sitting there throwing your own faeces at your monitor.

Obviously you didn't read the entire post.

You just said "computers". That's not a list.

Ha Ha, you have called Africans everything under the sun but good up-standing citizens.

You accused me of calling them primates, not "everything under the sun".

And according to Nasa, African Americans have played a major role. You lost that point. So lets move on to the next one.

They have to say that or they get sued sooner or later. I'm sure they've probably just been stung in the past for not constantly reminding everyone that everyone is the same and negroids are just as capable of screwing bits of rubber together as everyone else. Not a single one of those innovations you listed was anywhere near crucial or anything less than something screwed together from someone else's inventions.

I love all people. That's something that you can't say with a straight face. I just hate racist like you who propagate you're out-dated racist views.

Outdated racist views like what? Just what do you think that I have said that is outdated or racist? Let's hear it, in as simple a form as possible, what you think I think.

I'm arguing equality, you're arguing superiority

You're arguing equality because that's all you can hope for. You're scraping the barrel because you have to. If you didn't have to, you'd be arguing superiority, as you think I am. I am just sick of whinging minorities and feel that someone, at least, should stand up for the achievements of the caucasoid world in the face of foreigners trying to claim otherwise. Do you think that amounts to racism?

Sadly, most young(like JB,Baron & Scheelen--don'tshower) people would not recognize any of these names. For these African-Americans to achieve their position within the space program required extraordinary courage and perseverance. They often had to work harder and longer to soar over the setbacks

Like getting grants because they're not white, and a foot in the door ahead of white people to institutions built by white people because they're not white?

Outdated racist views like what? Just what do you think that I have said that is outdated or racist? Let's hear it, in as simple a form as possible, what you think I think.

You're CLEARLY racist. At least admit it , coward.

You're CLEARLY racist.

What's wrong with being a racist? You act like it's some great sin, or something like that. If people want to hate or dislike some particular race, what's the big deal?

Baron Max

What's wrong with being a racist? You act like it's some great sin, or something like that. If people want to hate or dislike some particular race, what's the big deal?

Baron Max

Do you have a multiple personality Baron?

How do you feel about sites that promote hatred of various races? And how do you feel about the neo-nazi sites that the killers at Columbine had in abundance on their home computers? Do you feel that any of that "info" had any role in what they did at the school? (And that's only one example - I'm sure that there are more than that!)

I don't know ....a few choice words from Adolf Hitler prompted an entire nation to go to war and to systematically murder a select group of people. Words are/can be powerful tools in the hands of the wrong people, and being read by the wrong people. Is there no responsibility for what it might cause? I mean, right now, there are laws against a person standing on the street corner and loudly advocating, say, the slaughter of blacks in America. Is that so much different to what we're seeing on the Internet today?

No, I don't know ...but somehow I don't think I like it! Just like I don't like seeing/reading books that aren't labeled as fiction when they almost surely ARE fiction. No one takes any responsibility for that? No one?

Baron Max

Do you have a multiple personality Baron?

Are you implying/saying that whatever I post here is what I'm required to believe or do or be????? That I can't ask a question or make a comment without it being precisely how I feel or think?

Sam, I used to have several Indian friends/acquaintances who I thought were pretty nice guys. But, ya' know, since i've met you here, I'm beginning to change my mind. I think I'm gonna' start a "Hate Indians" website!

Baron Max

Are you implying/saying that whatever I post here is what I'm required to believe or do or be????? That I can't ask a question or make a comment without it being precisely how I feel or think?

Sam, I used to have several Indian friends/acquaintances who I thought were pretty nice guys. But, ya' know, since i've met you here, I'm beginning to change my mind. I think I'm gonna' start a "Hate Indians" website!

Baron Max

I love this post. I'm gonna copy paste it on a notepad.

It's going to be very very useful.:D

You're CLEARLY racist. At least admit it , coward.

Word!

Hating Indians is my favourite pass time, too!

Baron Max, let's be BFF!

That's "fewer" sweat glands, not "less."

The UK is a mess. Multiculturalism doesn't work, but there are other problems afoot in the UK...

That's "fewer" sweat glands, not "less."

The UK is a mess. Multiculturalism doesn't work, but there are other problems afoot in the UK...

The same thing happend in the US when it was just White People. German Catholics didn't like Irish Catholics, Southern Baptist didn't like prodestants, English hated the Italians, the Itialians hated Scotts, I mean come on. People will allways find a way to devide themselves. Multiculturism does work! It's been working in America for decades:)