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M*W: First, one must beg the question, "What did Jesus actually look like?" Then, secondly, since no one has ever known of the physical appearance of Jesus, how can one determine where Jesus was between the ages of 12 to 30 years before starting his ministry?

I welcome all replies to these questions.

Thanks.

He was fighting terrorists in Iraq.

Wait. Mesopotamia.

He was fighting terrorists in Mesopotamia.

It's true. There wasn't even an Iraq then.

Well some say he was in India as the Saint Issa...

Well some say he was in India as the Saint Issa...
more specifically, Jaganatha Puri - there are pujari records from the time (apparently)

This is also corroborated by the Bavishya Purana, but there are some Q's over the scriptural integrity of that scripture (by dint of differences in sanskrit style and a lack of finding a copy of the Bavishya Purana before christian and moghul times in india, some suggest that the scripture, which deals specifically with the nature of future events, was corrupted by foreign interests aimed at homogenizing hinduism so it could fall under the line of an outside culture)

"It is written that Horus stayed with his mother until the age of 12. Between the ages of twelve to thirty there is no record of the life of Horus. Ironically Jesus stayed with his mother until 12 years of age and between the ages of twelve to thirty there is no record of the life of Jesus in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and the book of Acts. At age thirty, Horus was baptized by Anup. At age thirty, Jesus was baptized by John.

The story of Jesus being baptized and beginning his ministry at age 30 is a retelling of the identical tale of Horus, representing the Sun moving into a new constellation at 30 degrees. Age 30 is a reference to 30 days, which is one month - the time it takes the Sun to move to the next house of the Zodiac."

I like how the bible completely lacks any information about Jesus' life during those years. *cough...cough...shady...cough cough*

What about the gospel of Thomas... wasn't Jesus poofing small animals out of mud?

What about the gospel of Thomas... wasn't Jesus poofing small animals out of mud?

Wow. One book out of the New Testament. MYSTERY SOLVED!!! :rolleyes:

"It is written that Horus stayed with his mother until the age of 12. Between the ages of twelve to thirty there is no record of the life of Horus. Ironically Jesus stayed with his mother until 12 years of age and between the ages of twelve to thirty there is no record of the life of Jesus in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and the book of Acts. At age thirty, Horus was baptized by Anup. At age thirty, Jesus was baptized by John.

The story of Jesus being baptized and beginning his ministry at age 30 is a retelling of the identical tale of Horus, representing the Sun moving into a new constellation at 30 degrees. Age 30 is a reference to 30 days, which is one month - the time it takes the Sun to move to the next house of the Zodiac."

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M*W: WOW! I'm impressed!!!

"It is written that Horus stayed with his mother until the age of 12. Between the ages of twelve to thirty there is no record of the life of Horus. Ironically Jesus stayed with his mother until 12 years of age and between the ages of twelve to thirty there is no record of the life of Jesus in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and the book of Acts. At age thirty, Horus was baptized by Anup. At age thirty, Jesus was baptized by John.

The story of Jesus being baptized and beginning his ministry at age 30 is a retelling of the identical tale of Horus, representing the Sun moving into a new constellation at 30 degrees. Age 30 is a reference to 30 days, which is one month - the time it takes the Sun to move to the next house of the Zodiac."
People like Yorda and Medicine Woman and others find vague similarities between two clearly different things. There are many similarities between Horus and Jesus, but the differences greatly outweigh the similarities. You can also find many similarities between Hitler and Horus, I guess Hitler was a myth copied from Horus...right?

Go read the actual Egyptian scriptures about Horus and you'll find almost nothing similar about the stories...for instance there is one story about how Horus got bitten by a scorpion and died but was then restored to life by Isis

Its no surprise that scholars do not see much that would indicate that Jesus was a myth copied from Horus...they see it as simple vague similarities....

Hey guys, been away for awhile but feels great to be back. Glad you are still here and still interested in astrotheology MW.
Not sure it's relevent to the conversation but VitalOne brings up an interesting point even though it may be unintentional - Horus being biten by the scorpion. Was it Horus or Osiris that was biten? They seem to be one just as Jesus and his Father are.
Osiris relates to the constellation the Greeks called Orion who was supposedly stung on the ankle by the scorpion and died from his wound. Because of this, Scorpio was placed at the opposite side of the heavens so the two would never meet again. This account has similarities to the New Testament story of Jesus bringing Lazarus (el Azurus or el Osiris) back from the dead. Raising the dead is a recurrent theme.
Sorry about the disjointed post that has tangled my own reasoning. Hopefully you may find worth in it.

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M*W: First, one must beg the question, "What did Jesus actually look like?" Then, secondly, since no one has ever known of the physical appearance of Jesus, how can one determine where Jesus was between the ages of 12 to 30 years before starting his ministry?

I welcome all replies to these questions.

Thanks.

i thought you didnt believe jesus even existed, so why dont you cut to the chase and just say what you really think, "religion is bs and im trying to prove god does not exist".

he was smoking weed with the first carnation of buddha and lost track of time.


peace.

Hey guys, been away for awhile but feels great to be back. Glad you are still here and still interested in astrotheology MW.
Not sure it's relevent to the conversation but VitalOne brings up an interesting point even though it may be unintentional - Horus being biten by the scorpion. Was it Horus or Osiris that was biten? They seem to be one just as Jesus and his Father are.
Osiris relates to the constellation the Greeks called Orion who was supposedly stung on the ankle by the scorpion and died from his wound. Because of this, Scorpio was placed at the opposite side of the heavens so the two would never meet again. This account has similarities to the New Testament story of Jesus bringing Lazarus (el Azurus or el Osiris) back from the dead. Raising the dead is a recurrent theme.
Sorry about the disjointed post that has tangled my own reasoning. Hopefully you may find worth in it.
Ideas about raising the dead can be found in cultures all around the world....as can stories of scorpion bites.....you all are finding vague similarities and making false connections....

For instance, raising the dead is a siddhi power in India that is very common for ascetics to have.....

Hey guys, been away for awhile but feels great to be back. Glad you are still here and still interested in astrotheology MW.
Not sure it's relevent to the conversation but VitalOne brings up an interesting point even though it may be unintentional - Horus being biten by the scorpion. Was it Horus or Osiris that was biten? They seem to be one just as Jesus and his Father are.
Osiris relates to the constellation the Greeks called Orion who was supposedly stung on the ankle by the scorpion and died from his wound. Because of this, Scorpio was placed at the opposite side of the heavens so the two would never meet again. This account has similarities to the New Testament story of Jesus bringing Lazarus (el Azurus or el Osiris) back from the dead. Raising the dead is a recurrent theme.
Sorry about the disjointed post that has tangled my own reasoning. Hopefully you may find worth in it.

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M*W: Hey, it's good to have you back! I just finished answering VO's post, and as luck would have it, the storm we're having right now caused my computer to crash! When I get through cussing at it, I'll try to recompose my answer to VO which addresses his belief of the few vague similarities between Jesus and Horus. I probably won't be through cussing my computer until sometime tomorrow afternoon!

i thought you didnt believe jesus even existed, so why dont you cut to the chase and just say what you really think, "religion is bs and im trying to prove god does not exist".

he was smoking weed with the first carnation of buddha and lost track of time.

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M*W: I believe I have already cut to the chase where Jesus is concerned. I don't believe he existed. There is no proof of his existence, but beyond that, the myth surrounding him is an oft-repeated one in ancient fictional literature.

I'll go one farther. I don't believe there is a god, there is no salvation, there is no true religion only man-made myths.

There was no crucifixion, no tomb, no resurrection, no apostles, only ancient sun worship.

Christianity is nothing but ancient sun worship.

There is no heaven and no hell. There is no paradise, no limbo, no purgatory.

Have I missed anything? You name it, I don't believe it.

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M*W: I believe I have already cut to the chase where Jesus is concerned. I don't believe he existed. There is no proof of his existence, but beyond that, the myth surrounding him is an oft-repeated one in ancient fictional literature.

I'll go one farther. I don't believe there is a god, there is no salvation, there is no true religion only man-made myths.

There was no crucifixion, no tomb, no resurrection, no apostles, only ancient sun worship.

Christianity is nothing but ancient sun worship.

There is no heaven and no hell. There is no paradise, no limbo, no purgatory.

Have I missed anything? You name it, I don't believe it.



yeah i know, so whats your goal with all of these jesus threads? to convert all believers into atheists? you already know he didnt exist so whats with the false questions,

i have nothing against you its just it seems a bit devious from a certain viewpoint,


peace.

what made you lose your faith as a child?

peace.

If the value of (a) is (b), and (b) is (c), (c) should equal (a). Horus is the sun, the sun is Jesus, therefore Jesus is Horus? This little mathamatical analogy might explain my thinking on the whole Horus/Jesus comparison. Both are manifestations of the sun and never existed outside of myth. It is the shared qualities of the sun which indirectly link the two Gods.
It's strange how two people can see this information and arrive at two totally different conclusions. While some see the nonexistance of Jesus as evidence there is no God I see it in the opposite light. To me it brings the powerful message that there is a God and he was not confined to one person in the whole of history but he resides within and without each of us. Just as the sun's travel in the sky is an allegory for the story of Jesus, it is also applicable to us lowly creatures. We too are born in the morning and die in the evening only to be reincarnated the following day. This micro/macrocosm duality of the solar myth is saying that we are the gods, not seperate from the One but yet experiencing the physical as individuals. With our matter literally made of stardust we eventually die and return to the source just as the sun rises from the earth and ascends into heaven.
To get back to the back to the original topic - Jesus at his peak has long golden hair and beard, youthful features; his beauty is almost blinding and just standing in his presence gives you energy. He wears a robe so white that even looking at it is difficult. Tell me what a personification of the sun would look like.
I think you're right Yorda about Jesus' missing years. The 12 thirty degree sections that make up the 360 degrees or days (roughly) of the year provide for a plausable explanation of the divide in Jesus' youth and adulthood.
And MW, I applaud your "lack of faith" as it says you have the ability to reason for yourself and not believe the lies you are told by those in positions of power. This is a far better virtue than blind faith.

if (b) is (c) and (d) is (f) and (g) is (p) and (q) is (t) then what is my mother in law?



we are so logical because we only believe what we have tested, lets act snooty and applaud our brain size, stroke my ego for me please.

hate to brake it to people but we will never have the facts and evidence of the actual creation of the universe and how it all begun, so all you can do is guess and have faith, sorry to bear bad news but its true,

mighty science holds allt he answers,


peace.

Lets face it right, Jesus was a builder.

Of course he was he repeatedly disappeared off the face of the earth leaving no forwarding address or contact details....:p

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how can one determine where Jesus was between the ages of 12 to 30 years before starting his ministry?

He was attending Hogwarts academy.

People like Yorda and Medicine Woman and others find vague similarities between two clearly different things. There are many similarities between Horus and Jesus, but the differences greatly outweigh the similarities.

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M*W: "Vague similarities?" Don't make me laugh!

You can also find many similarities between Hitler and Horus, I guess Hitler was a myth copied from Horus...right?

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M*W: Is this your silly attempt to send out a smoke screen? If Hitler was a myth copied from the myth of Horus, 6 million plus innocents wouldn't have had to die except in the myth. Unfortunately, for 6 million plus martyrs and their families, Hitler wasn't a myth.

Go read the actual Egyptian scriptures about Horus and you'll find almost nothing similar about the stories...for instance there is one story about how Horus got bitten by a scorpion and died but was then restored to life by Isis

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M*W: That old 'scorpion myth,' the 'back-biter,' rears its ugly head again. Judas Iscariot was also known as the Sign of Scorpio that appeared to brush up against the sun as if Judas were kissing Jesus.

Its no surprise that scholars do not see much that would indicate that Jesus was a myth copied from Horus...they see it as simple vague similarities....

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M*W: Oh, those 'vague similarities.' Let's address them, shall we? BTW, please name these scholars you refer to along with their peer-reviewed literature.

"This break is thus reflected in the story of Moses, where the Hebrews are portrayed as having a difficult time turning from their ancient worship of the Egyptian god Horus as the golden calf, son of the Egyptian mother goddess, Hathor, who was represented as a cow.

~ Acharya S., The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold.

To further report on the similarities between Jesus (sun god) and Horus (sun god) the following suffices:

"Egypt revered Mother Hathor as the heavenly cow whose udder produced the Milky Way, whose body was the firmament, and who daily gave birth to the sun, Horus-Ra, her Golden Calf, the same deity worshipped by Aaron and the Israelites: "These be they gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt (Exodus 32:4)."

~ Walker, Barbara, The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets.

"Even greater antiquity can be attributed to the well-woven Horus myth of Egypt which also is practically identical to the christian version but which preceded it by thousands of years."

"The cult of Osiris, Isis and Horus was widespread in the ancient world, including in Rome. In the Egyptian myth, Horus and his once-and-future father, Osiris, are frequently interchangeable, as in "I and my Father are one."

"Like that of Jesus, Osiris's resurrection served to provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal."

"Osiris's "son" or renewed incarnation, Horus, shares the following in common with Jesus:"

Here are more "vague similarities" between Jesus and Horus (both sun gods):

"Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men."

"Horus's earthly father was named "Seb" (another name for "Joseph.)"

"Horus was of royal descent."

"Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated."

Horus had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns")."

"Horus performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus (El-Osiris-god, his father, Osiris) from the dead."

"Horus walked on water."

"Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."

"Horus was called "Holy Child."

"Horus delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."

"Horus was transfigured on the Mount."

"Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."

"Like Jesus, Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."

So much for those "vague similarities."

"Horus is not only the sun but also the North Pole star, and his twin brother-cum-adversary, Set, represents not only darkness but also the South Pole star."

"The story of Jesus is virtually identical in numerous important aspects to that of Horus, a solar myth."

~ Acharya S., The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold.

"Horus in Egypt had been a fish from time immemorial, and when the equinox entered the sign of Pisces, Horus was portrayed as Ichthys with the fish sign of over his head."

"The Messiah who manifested in this sign was foreordained to come as Ichthys the fisherman, or, doctrinally, the fisher of men."

~ Massey, Gerald, The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ.

So, now we come to the scorpion, the "back-biter."

"Judas is not a historical character but represents Scorpio, "the back-biter," the time of year when the sun's rays are weakening and the sun appears to be dying. Judas also serves as the last hour of the day, since the 12 disciples also symbolized the 12 hours of daylight."

~ Walker, Barbara, The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets.

"We have already seen that John the Baptist or Baptizer is a remake of Horus's Baptizer, Anup, both of whom lost their heads, among other similarities."

~ Acharya S., The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold.

"The three wise men or kings are the three stars in Orion's belt "whose rising announced the coming of Sothis, the Star of Horus/Osirus: that is, Sirius, the brightest star in the sky, whose coming heralded the annual flood of the Nile."

~ Walker, Barbara, The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects.

"Like Jesus, Horus has no history between the ages of 12 and 30, "and the mythos alone will account for the chasm which is wide and deep enough to engulf a supposed history of 18 years."

~ Massey, Gerald, The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ.

"Jesus/Horus in the Temple in fact represents the sun of God at midday, 12 noon, its highest point, thus being the "Temple of the Most High." The story of Jesus being baptized and beginning his ministry at age 30 is a rehash of the identical tale of Horus, representing the sun moving into a new constellation at 30 degrees. Jesus is alternatively depicted as beginning his ministry at 28 years, which represents the 28-day cycle of the moon, or the month, as reckoned by the Egyptians."

~ Acharya S., The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold.

"The descent into hell by the savior is a common occurrence within many mythologies, found in the stories of Adonis, Bacchus, Balder, Hercules, Horus, Jesus, Krishna, Mercury, Osiris, Quetzalcoatl and Zoroaster."

"Almost all of the acts of Moses correspond to those of the Sun-gods (Horus/Set)."

~ Doane, T.W., Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions.

"Satan is an adaptation of the Persian representative of evil "Ahriman," the twin brother of "God," the same as the Egyptian Set, Horus's twin and principal enemy, also known as "SSata," whence comes "Satan." Horus struggles with Set in the exact manner that Jesus battles with Satan, with 40 days in the wilderness, among other similarities, such as the revealing from the mount "all the kingdoms of Earth." This myth represents the triumph of light over dark, or the sun's return to relieve the terror of the night. Horus/Set was the god of the two horizons; hence, Horus was the rising sun, and Set the time of the Sun-SET."

"As the mythical Moses had been utilized to inagurate the new age of Aries, Jesus was created to do likewise with the age of Pisces. Thus, to the Krishna/Christos myth were added fish motifs from the Osiris/Horus myth, as well as numerous other elements of the Egyptian and other religions, such as the December 25th birthdate, which was established in the fourth century to usurp the cult of Mithra."

~ Acharya S., The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold.

"The entire Christian bible, creation legend, descent into and exodus from Egypt, ark and flood allegory, Israelite history, Hebrew prophecy and poetry, Gospels, Epistles and Revelation imagery, all are now proven to have been the transmission of ancient Egypt's scrolls and papyri into the hands of later generations which knew neither their true origin nor their fathomless meaning...".

"From the scrolls of papyri five thousand to ten thousand years old there comes stalking forth to view the whole story of an Egyptian Jesus raising from the dead an Egyptian Lazarus at an Egyptian Bethany, with two Egyptian Maries present...".

"Egypt knelt at the shrine of the Madonna and Child, Isis and Horus, for long centuries before a historical Mary lifted a historical Jesus in her arms. Egypt had from remote times adored a Christ who had raised the dead and healed the lame, halt, blind, paralytic, leprous and all afflicted, who had restored speech to the dumb, exorcised demons from the possessed, dispersed his enemies with a word or look, wrestled with his Satan adversary, overcame all temptation and performed the works of his heavenly Father to the victorious end. Egypt had long known a Jesus, Iusa, who had been born amid celestial portents of an immaculate parenthood, circumsised, baptised, tempted, glorified on the mount, persecuted, arrested, tried, condemned, crucified, buried, resurrected and elevated to heaven. Egypt had listened to the Sermon on the Mount and the sayings of Iusa for ages."

~ Jackson, John G., Christianity Before Christ.

Well, this just about covers the "vague similarities" between Jesus and Horus. Okay, I know there are a lot more, but my personal library is limited... but then there's the Internet. It always surprises me when christians don't bother looking up this stuff themselves. There's really no excuse for their ignorance.

I hope I've answered some of your questions or at least made you question. This is only one little bit of information on only one of the world's 25 professed dying demigod saviors that preceded your Jesus. Let me know when you're ready to learn about the other 24.