A. From newspaper?
B. From TV, Radio?
C. From Novel?
D. From your own China visit?
E. From other people?
F. From Internet?

God has whispered into my ears of country between Earth and Heaven...God has told me white angels fell atop Himalayan mountains by the hand of this country...God whispered into my ears wisdom that was hidden from the eye of the overseeing sun.

BBC News, Chinese folk tales, Zen writings and History and Comparative Religion books, as well as Chinese films.

Pretty much just BBC news and school.
Learnt about the Red guard..Seems oddly like Animal Farm.

Internet. Their hate for/persecution of Christians, their deadly exports, and their disrespect caused me to stop buying anything made in China years ago.

Internet. Their hate for/persecution of Christians, their deadly exports, and their disrespect caused me to stop buying anything made in China years ago.

I can't believe that. Where are your clothes made? Your shoes?

Internet. Their hate for/persecution of Christians, their deadly exports, and their disrespect caused me to stop buying anything made in China years ago.


Go and put on a burqa will you.

Wikipedia, news... anecdotes...

there really aren't many sources to learn about China from. the Chinese i encounter are generally intraverted and don't talk much about their customs. it's too bad. i decided that i want to visit China to see what Chinese are REALLY like... once i save up for the $$

I can't believe that. Where are your clothes made? Your shoes?

Most everything Italy or USA. I will NOT buy anything from China. It's all cr@p. :(

I know of Chinese people that I talk to and they tell me of what's happening

in China. I've known them for over 30 years and that is where I get most of

my information from. The rest comes from newspapers and other types of

media from both America and China.

http://law.wustl.edu/Chinalaw/internew.html

A. From newspaper?
B. From TV, Radio?
C. From Novel?
D. From your own China visit?
E. From other people?
F. From Internet?
From my Chinese friends.

I think China seems like a pretty nice place and I wish them the best. They certainly have the drive right now. Very ambitious ...l real go-getters.

The only problem I have with China is the treatment of Tibetans. There is nothing more convoluted than a Chinese bitching about Japanese (which is like a national pastime) and then justifying the conquest of Tibet. :bugeye:

Internet. Their hate for/persecution of Christians, their deadly exports, and their disrespect caused me to stop buying anything made in China years ago.
please Sandy, it IS impossible to live even a semi-normal life in the USA and not buy stuff made in China.

Internet. Their hate for/persecution of Christians, their deadly exports, and their disrespect caused me to stop buying anything made in China years ago.

Nothing? I bet some of the things you own may have been made in the us but the individual pieces came from china...thank you free trade! :D

From my Chinese friends.

I think China seems like a pretty nice place and I wish them the best. They certainly have the drive right now. Very ambitious ...l real go-getters.

The only problem I have with China is the treatment of Tibetans. There is nothing more convoluted than a Chinese bitching about Japanese (which is like a national pastime) and then justifying the conquest of Tibet. :bugeye:

Hello, Michael

Glad to find your comments.
For the problem between China and Japan, as a common Chinese people, I hated Japan's government not due to their invasion history, mainly for their attitude for history, also I disliked NAZI Germany, but I respect the honesty & sincerity of Western German Prime minister's honest attitude to their crime in World war 2. In our culture, No one won't make any mistake, but if the one can admit and say sorry also remove with great courage+ sincerity, ok,he will be excused.. But Japanes's government history attitude is too disappointed...
For the Tibet's "problem", my advice is if possible come visit our China Vibet, see and evaluate, then decide... When you experience, your final decision may be even more exact, because that is your owned...:rolleyes:

Sandy, is there any non European Country that you find diserable?

The only problem I have with China is the treatment of Tibetans.

Seems to me a few here would be in agreement with this. Philosophically anyway.

G. the Chinese

G. the Chinese

Are you sure?

G. the Chinese

Hi, S.A.M

Seems like I forgot too many choices to the friends here, just added.
H. Mexican
I. Japanese
J. Canadian
K.....
Oh, man, I can't fill any more as global world has almost 200 countries.. Hehe, just kidding. Good luck.

Hi, S.A.M

Seems like I forgot too many choices to the friends here, just added.
H. Mexican
I. Japanese
J. Canadian
K.....
Oh, man, I can't fill any more as global world has almost 200 countries.. Hehe, just kidding. Good luck.

Hi Tongjia

I have a friend named Jia from the Guangdong province; she went to Guilin for the holidays and brought back some amazing pictures! I think China is a very beautiful country. :)

Hi Tongjia

I have a friend named Jia from the Guangdong province; she went to Guilin for the holidays and brought back some amazing pictures! I think China is a very beautiful country. :)

Hi, S.A.M

You are right, Guilin is a really beautiful place with a lot of historic& natural site worth traveling.
I also miss the enchanting scenery during the drive in Charlotte's HIGH way. Just then as autumn comes like now, the mountains covered with yellow, red, so beautfiul leaves.. so comfortable feelling... so missing time in my life .:)
Also happy Halloween for you and friends here

Sandy, is there any non European Country that you find diserable?

Yes, there are plenty. Australia, Israel, Japan, and South Korea to name a few.

A. From newspaper?
B. From TV, Radio?
C. From Novel?
D. From your own China visit?
E. From other people?
F. From Internet?
Yes.

I've traveled China twice: once in 1981, once in 1997. One month each time.

By train, boat, bicycle and plane.

Was robbed once, in Shanghai. Of course.

Great food; Great food. Personable people. Interesting history. Intriguing places.

Bigots. If your hair isn't black you're sh't. If your skin isn't yellow you're sh't.

At first I didn't believe it. I asked around. Everyone I asked said it's true. They may like you as a person but you aren't going to marry into their family.

'81 was best. Foreign tourists were a novelty.

In '97 foreign tourists were for harvesting.

Shouldn't breath the toxic air; won't survive swimming in toxic rivers; lucky to survive any China Air flight.

Where is your opinion about China come from

GlobalSecurity.org (http://www.globalsecurity.org/)
;)

Hello, Michael

Glad to find your comments.
For the problem between China and Japan, as a common Chinese people, I hated Japan's government not due to their invasion history, mainly for their attitude for history, also I disliked NAZI Germany, but I respect the honesty & sincerity of Western German Prime minister's honest attitude to their crime in World war 2. In our culture, No one won't make any mistake, but if the one can admit and say sorry also remove with great courage+ sincerity, ok,he will be excused.. But Japanes's government history attitude is too disappointed...
For the Tibet's "problem", my advice is if possible come visit our China Vibet, see and evaluate, then decide... When you experience, your final decision may be even more exact, because that is your owned...My buddy from Nanjing went to Tibet a couple years ago, he seemed to like the place. BUT he really thinks they are "Chinese" not Tibetian - his rational was: The look like me.
:bugeye:
This therefor, in his mind, justifies their occupation. Also, they are getting some financial benefit.
This is sort of the exact same argument the Japanese used to rationalize their war time activities - The people in Asia needed Japan to conquer them FOR their own benefit! :bugeye: You know - pull them into the 20th century. That's bullshit - I'm sure we both agree. The same sort of argument was made by the Europeans as well.
(I'd say the European were by far much worse than any one else, especially when considering the genocide that happened all over the world, slavery in the Pacific and Africa, the opium wars in China, etc....)

What do you think about that poor unarmed Tibetian nun that was shot in the back while trying to escape to India?

That one was all over the internet.

Anyway, like I said, I like Chinese people, I like their history and I hope everything goes well for them. I will visit China the first chance I get. Actually I've been thinking of looking for a teaching job there at a University. I'd be happy to live in China for a while :)


You may find this interesting:
List of war apology statements issued by Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan)

Most of the young Japanese I know feel they didn't do anything and so they shouldn't have to make any apology. Hell they are only 20-30 years old. They sort of think that would be like making me apologize fro dropping a nuclear bomb on Japanese civilians, which I didn't do and feel no need to apologize for.

Interestingly I asked my Chinese buddy if he feels the need to apologize to Iranians for the massacre of Persians by Ghangus Khans army, of which there were a substantial portion of Chinese. He said no! I then asked my Iranian buddy if he felt he needed one. He said no. I then said to the Iranian, what about the Japanese. Then he said YES they have to apologize! Why I asked? Because they have to feel sorry for 100 years.

?!?!

I get the feeling people like to be mad at the Japanese!

Michael

My buddy from Nanjing went to Tibet a couple years ago, he seemed to like the place. BUT he really thinks they are "Chinese" not Tibetian - his rational was: The look like me.
:bugeye:
This therefor in his mind justifies their occupation. Also, they are getting some financial benefit.
This is sort of the exact same argument the Japanese used to rationalize their war time activities - The people in Asia needed Japan to conquer them FOR their own benefit! :bugeye: That's bullshit we both agree. The same sort of argument was made by the Europeans as well.
(I'd say the European were by far much worse than any one else, especially when considering the genocide that happened all over the world, the slavery in the Pacific and Africa, the opium wars in China, etc....)

What do you think about that poor unarmed Tibetian nun that was shot in the back while trying to escape to India?

Anyway, like I said, I like Chinese people, I like their history and I hope everything goes well for them. I will visit China the first chance I get. Actually I've been thinking of looking for a teaching job there at a University. I'd be happy to live in China for a while :)


Michael

Hello, Buddy

To be honest, maybe standing on your side, I may have same feeling like yours, since the history distance of China and Japan looks too far from yours,but the apology request to Japan about its brutism in World War 2 is righteous and needed! for example: can you imagine after the damned Japanese soliders killed more than 0.3 M unarmed common people(many are young children) in Nanjing, the current Japanese Govern& some people say it is not true. As a alive man, when facing such attitude for your motherland, what shall I do, still smile? still laugh? still pc game on line? if we can, we should and must try the best to return the fair to the history....Since China is my motherland!
In fact the NUKE bomb for Japan is the other kind of harm because Japanese common people is inculpable since they all suffered in War, but total different from the Chinese people suffer in Japanese invasion& conquest during 14 years, just as German Hanburg people suffered when US Bomb aircraft's incendiary bomb landed on different with Jews suffered in NAZI concentration camp.
By the way, the history taught us not animosity between each other, because China and Japan are neighbours, a Chinese old saying is" far relative can't be compared with close neighbour", also history is history, future is future, that is why our Chinese people treated the more than 1 M Japanese Colonists(soliders and so called "peasants" in China land especially in Northen East China) well once their surrender in end of War 2, and supplied them food, water, let them back to Japan safely once their armor freed. In fact many people among them killed our Chinese people, and many of them once joined the 731 Germ army, which treated Chinese common people even not as animal....We never ask to put all of them into prision or death compared with other countries, We forgived most of them, only a few main war leader were final sentenced in Tokyo Court. A questions left: when you once forgived a murder's huge crime in you, and now you find the murder just didn't admit what he once did, what would u like to think? (Hi, Buddy, this question not just for you..please kindly understand.)
Need to added, I also have one good Japanese buddy who lived in Tokyo, we kept in touch often, and encourage each other when each facing the difficulty in life, Also I do respect and learn many many good excellence which indicated in Japanese friends..
About you mentioned "VIDEO" about China Tibet, to be honest, I never see, I can imagine no seeing maybe doesn't mean no existing, just wonder where & why such being shot danger come from?. since India and China has formally relationship between country and country, also some of my friends visited India often for free stay like business of holiday no matter through flight or train.. without fear of flying bullet from back...maybe cross border "on foot" is too dangerous... Just need to emphasize that hope the Tibet's future becoming better and better is every one's same wish no matter in China or other countries, including you and me, my friend.
By the way, maybe too much myself opinions listed above, if some make the friends here feel not so good, please kindly don't mind. Also I am sorry for that, since the fact is life is not easy....
Just added, happy life is easy because of good friends
For your planned short time stay in China, Being a University teacher is a good advice, but the truth is salary may not be attractive since many many global friends choose same teacher career in China, which caused great competence occur. Of course, salary sometimes isn't the first key for global friends China visit and stay....
Anyhow welcome to China!

Most everything Italy or USA. I will NOT buy anything from China. It's all cr@p. :(

well, it is possible, but expensive.
http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSN2425061320070628?sp=true

I'd rather pay more for anything not made in China. Chinese stuff is cr@p. They knowingly send poisonous food/toothpaste/pet food/children's toys here. UGH. :mad:

I'd rather pay more for anything not made in China. Chinese stuff is cr@p. They knowingly send poisonous food/toothpaste/pet food/children's toys here. UGH. :mad:

And sometimes American companies knowingly ok the product. Its how they make such a nice profit. If they didn't know, their inspection standards should have been better.
Why do you think they are in such trouble?

G. Kung Fu movies
H. 1920's era National Geographics
I. Messages in bottles I find on the beach

Hi Tongjia,

I suppose there will always be some people who want to distort history and this happens everywhere. Just think of the Iranian leader who recently implied that there was no effort to exterminate Germans that were Jewish in WWII. Also there are other people who write whole books on this subject and say the same thing. Those sorts of people are idiots and not really worth the time of day! All of my Japanese friends who know anything about history know about the Nanjing Massacre. Maybe some of the younger girls (20-25 years old) don't know, but they also don't know about some of the most important of Japanese leaders in Japanese history! So they don't count because shopping is more important to them anyway.


As to the Tibetian nun being shot. The video was shot by some European mountain climbers that happen to be in that area. It's a very clear video. A group of people can be seen crossing the snow and a guard can be seen a long distance away shoot many times towards the people. Then a woman drops dead. It's a very shocking video. I think everyone in the World has seen this video (outside of China) because it caused so many people to feel mad and angry at the Chinese government. Anyway, I hope the Tibetian people do have a better future but I fear their future will be something akin to the Native Americans in the USA.

That's just the way of things I suppose.


Yeah, one of the problems with taking a job in China is the pay is low. I'm living in Australia now, but maybe I will move back to the USA? Hmmm.... I have to think about it.


Cheers
:)
Michael

from here and seeing pictures of fetus soup.

Believe me, there are billions of chinese who would not dare eat that and are just as grossed out. Just because some people might, doesn't mean everybody does.

Even when I was little, I remember fearing a howling dog was being killed for food. Not everyone has the same opinion in asia no matter what customs they have or how the news portrays the status quo.

REALLY!! Not every single one of the billions of people in China eat fetus soup.???
duh, I know the rest of them are eating dog. :rolleyes:

National Geographic is a source of mine as well.

from here and seeing pictures of fetus soup.

LMAO :D

REALLY!! Not every single one of the billions of people in China eat fetus soup.???
duh, I know the rest of them are eating dog. :rolleyes:

National Geographic is a source of mine as well.

And all americans are fat, stupid fucks who can't find america on a map too. I got that from the news as well.

And all americans are fat, stupid fucks who can't find america on a map too. I got that from the news as well.

It's true.. :D

LMAO :D

You're anti-chinese or asian. But the fact is you are not better than them or even morally as you may believe.

Laughing my ass off at you.

You're anti-chinese or asian. But the fact is you are not better than them or even morally as you may believe.

Laughing my ass off at you.

I am certainly not anti-Chinese or anti-Asian. I just think it's horrible that some people eat fetuses.
But you can laugh all you want though, doesn't bother me.. :shrug:

And all americans are fat, stupid fucks who can't find america on a map too. I got that from the news as well.

Uh-UH!!! I can too find America on a map.
America is in the Middle East. Everyone knows that!

...Laughing my ass off at you.

yeah, laughing at those poor little girls being eaten...that's just wrong on so many levels. :crazy:

Uh-UH!!! I can too find America on a map.
America is in the Middle East. Everyone knows that!

I think they call it Iraq nowadays.. :D

yeah, laughing at those poor little girls being eaten...that's just wrong on so many levels. :crazy:

Actually that was a boy. But you are not seeing the the point, it's pragmatic to them.

They are already dead and unwanted. As for aborted fetuses around the world including america, whether they are cremated or not, whatever lip service people give to them to ease thier conscience, they are in essence and in fact treated like waste and garbage. Fact.

No different from the multitude of dogs and cats cremated everyday. Loss of life is sad ain't it? With their little toes and fingers formed, unique faces, someone's baby...

Actually that was a boy. But you are not seeing the the point, it's pragmatic to them.

They are already dead and unwanted. As for aborted fetuses around the world including america, whether they are cremated or not, whatever lip service people give to them to ease thier conscience, they are in essence and in fact treated like waste and garbage. Fact.

No different from the multitude of dogs and cats cremated everyday. Loss of life is sad ain't it? With their little toes and fingers formed, unique faces, someone's baby...

Cannibalism is not something that is a moral thing to do and that goes for all societies.
Btw, that thread where the pictures were has been removed.

And most people are repulsed by the practice, even the chinese. Except thier cyclical view of life is sometimes too pragmatic for western sensibilities.

And most people are repulsed by the practice, even the chinese. Except thier cyclical view of life is sometimes too pragmatic for western sensibilities.

But I don't get why you are defending it.

But I don't get why you are defending it.

I never defended it, just showed thier reasoning behind it.

I never defended it, just showed thier reasoning behind it.

Oh ok. Point taken.
It sounded like defending :shrug:

In my mind it is certainly disgusting. I watched a movie made in Hong Kong where this was the theme. Basically the Chinese are as obsessed about looking youthful as Americans. Except Asians actually do look youthful whereas American's usually just look fat and have the plucked chicken skin look. or worse, ever see that leather hide American skin post-15 years of tanning spa :puke:

As for the fetuses the sad thing is in the USA almost all are aborted and tossed in the bin when they at the least could have provided a means of scientific discovery. It seem stupid to just throw the fetus in the rubbish when so much knowledge could be gained.

Michael

Tyler.

Hi Tongjia,

I suppose there will always be some people who want to distort history and this happens everywhere. Just think of the Iranian leader who recently implied that there was no effort to exterminate Germans that were Jewish in WWII. Also there are other people who write whole books on this subject and say the same thing. Those sorts of people are idiots and not really worth the time of day! All of my Japanese friends who know anything about history know about the Nanjing Massacre. Maybe some of the younger girls (20-25 years old) don't know, but they also don't know about some of the most important of Japanese leaders in Japanese history! So they don't count because shopping is more important to them anyway.


As to the Tibetian nun being shot. The video was shot by some European mountain climbers that happen to be in that area. It's a very clear video. A group of people can be seen crossing the snow and a guard can be seen a long distance away shoot many times towards the people. Then a woman drops dead. It's a very shocking video. I think everyone in the World has seen this video (outside of China) because it caused so many people to feel mad and angry at the Chinese government. Anyway, I hope the Tibetian people do have a better future but I fear their future will be something akin to the Native Americans in the USA.

That's just the way of things I suppose.


Yeah, one of the problems with taking a job in China is the pay is low. I'm living in Australia now, but maybe I will move back to the USA? Hmmm.... I have to think about it.


Cheers
:)
Michael

Hi, Michael

You are right, someone now do prefer to distort history because of emptiness or some special purpose, but history is history, which can be a lesson for our young man, also non_reversible & ill_natured...
Also my original opinion for your planned "job selection" in China is just an advice. Many high salary positions do exist here, since lots of globl company locate in China also local huge company arise. Many chances you can select. which salary not low comared with other country. If you can speak Chinease language, the chance of gaining high salary will be even more. BTW, even you choose a short time stay, have fluent Chinese language skill will make u more competitive even in States..

Yours
Henry

G. Kung Fu movies
H. 1920's era National Geographics
I. Messages in bottles I find on the beach

Wow, I even envy u, as I never find the messages in bottles on the beach, only all total wet with sea water :p
BTW, have you ever tried excerise Kung Fu, I was hurt this morning when playing "Kung Fu".:bawl: Hehe, in fact I played table tennis with my mom jus for her happy, when the ball fell down, I made a dangerous "Kung Fu" action, ball still fell, and my poor right leg musscle badly pulled..... :bawl:

Henry

A. From newspaper?
B. From TV, Radio?
C. From Novel?
D. From your own China visit?
E. From other people?
F. From Internet?

Various newspapers, TV & radio(if it's a reliable channel), Chinese people living here, internet (if sources are cited and can be checked).

Mr. G:

Was robbed once, in Shanghai. Of course.


Didn't you have your gun? :P

Mr. G:

Didn't you have your gun? :P
No. Didn't need it. I had my wits, my height, weight and testy attitude advantage.

I only carry $$ I can afford to lose.

I could have beat the crap out of the guy, and his friend, but I valued my freedom more than I valued a c-note of Yuan.

Tuition is better than rent on a cold dank cell.