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Another bombing today!! and it's the same thing again "pet markets". Are suicide bombers so dumb these days they can't tell the difference!!!..or is it they just don't like pet markets!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_violence
cosmictraveler 02-01-08, 08:18 AM Another bombing today!! and it's the same thing again "pet markets". Are suicide bombers so dumb these days they can't tell the difference!!!..or is it they just don't like pet markets!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_violence
It's where more people gather so its a prime target for them.
Challenger78 02-01-08, 08:19 AM There is no logic, sectarian violence is hardly ever logical.
But I find it curious that BBC had no mention of Al qaeda, but Yahoo did, I wonder why.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7221639.stm
cosmictraveler 02-01-08, 08:23 AM There is no logic, sectarian violence is hardly ever logical.
But I find it curious that BBC had no mention of Al qaeda, but Yahoo did, I wonder why.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7221639.stm
It is logical for the terrorists because that is exactly what they want to do, terrorize everyone so as not to go out and become normal. Terrorists only do illogical things to instill fear into people, that's how they gain control.
Challenger78 02-01-08, 08:26 AM and since people are irrational. It works. Just like 11/9/01.
cosmictraveler 02-01-08, 08:29 AM and since people are irrational. It works. Just like 11/9/01.
Actually it works in reverse sometimes like what happened after 11/9/01 when America struck back against someone who they thought were involved.
Buffalo Roam 02-01-08, 09:56 AM The question is still why the Moslem Terrorist in the Name of God and Peace kill innocent people who are just going about their business.
I go back to the fact that in Islam there are no Innocents, even the Animals,
Innocent: Only Moslems are innocents, non-Moslems are guilty and sentenced before Allah because of their erring faith. --When they say Islam does not allow killing innocent people, they mean those who have not yet rejected Islam. Once you reject their d’awa you are no more innocent (Ali Sina).
But then the market was crowed with Innocent Moslems, what was their crime, that made them targets.
Arsalan 02-01-08, 09:57 AM Nice discrediting your own argument there BR :rolleyes:
Buffalo Roam 02-01-08, 11:03 AM Nice discrediting your own argument there BR :rolleyes:
What was the crime of the Iraqi Moslems?
That their governmeny wants to be secular?
That isn't allowed in Islam, The Iraqis want a a secular government so that makes them guilty of Offensing?
Offensing: Most anything not conforming to Islamic (double) standards. Things like criticism (associated with blasphemy), freedom, democracy, are absolutely offensive to Moslems' sensibilities.
So now because they want a secular government they are no longer Halal, but now, Fitna (Fitnah, disorder): Disorder as 'injustice' obstructing the imposition of the Islamic order, and no longer innocent.
That they have failed in their obligation to Jihad.
Arsalan 02-01-08, 11:35 AM What was the crime of the Iraqi Moslems?
That their governmeny wants to be secular?
That isn't allowed in Islam, The Iraqis want a a secular government so that makes them guilty of Offensing?
So now because they want a secular government they are no longer Halal, but now, Fitna (Fitnah, disorder): Disorder as 'injustice' obstructing the imposition of the Islamic order, and no longer innocent.
That they have failed in their obligation to Jihad.
:rolleyes: You think throwing some terms around makes your argument more valid? It doesnt. And not just because of the fact you dont a damn thing about those terms. The simple fact of the matter is that most of the Iraqis want the US out. The system of government as laid out in the Quran and Hadith is more closely related to a secular form than in any other religion. This , once again, points to your failure and or lack of knowledge about and interpreting Islamic teachings. No surprise there eh The simple fact of the matter is that you, or no one else, can show me a verse that commands Muslims to kill another Muslim hence the whole argument that is so easily forwarded by anti-Islamists that the QUran commans these terrorists is inherently flawed.
Buffalo Roam 02-01-08, 11:56 AM :rolleyes: You think throwing some terms around makes your argument more valid? It doesnt. And not just because of the fact you dont a damn thing about those terms. The simple fact of the matter is that most of the Iraqis want the US out. The system of government as laid out in the Quran and Hadith is more closely related to a secular form than in any other religion. This , once again, points to your failure and or lack of knowledge about and interpreting Islamic teachings. No surprise there eh The simple fact of the matter is that you, or no one else, can show me a verse that commands Muslims to kill another Muslim hence the whole argument that is so easily forwarded by anti-Islamists that the QUran commans these terrorists is inherently flawed.
My knowledge is what it is, and it tells me that Islam has divided the world into:
Dar'al Harb (or Dar'ul Harb -arab. House of War): All countries and areas, in which Moslems do not have the power yet. In Islam the world is uncompromisingly divided between dar al-Islam, the House of Islam, and dar al-Harb, the House of War, where infidels have not yet been subjugated to Islam. The Jihad is the “struggle” to expand Islam, to create the conditions where Moslems may rule, and Islam may prevail. It has no end, until its goal is reached, whatever periods of quiescence must be observed. The deceptive Islam means Peace is thus part of the Jihad.
Dar'al Islam (or Dar'ul Islam -arab. House of Peace): All countries in the present or in the past to be Islamic controlled. Therefore also Spain, the Balkans and Israel belong to dar-al-Islam. Whenever Moslems talk about Islam as peaceful, they really mean the entire world ruled by Allah, nothing less. Places or lands of infidels aren't so pacified until they are ruled solely by the Sharia.
And that in Islam there are only those who accept Islam and those who reject Islam:
Innocent: Only Moslems are innocents, non-Moslems are guilty and sentenced before Allah because of their erring faith. --When they say Islam does not allow killing innocent people, they mean those who have not yet rejected Islam. Once you reject their d’awa you are no more innocent (Ali Sina).
And for those who reject Islam:
Freedom: The right of Moslems to carry any means for their faith propagation, from taqqiya to terror (tv beheading shows, killing apostates and critics). In the Muslims’ eyes, assassination, raiding, looting, raping and even genocide are not evil and immoral acts when the victims are non-Muslims. However, freedom of thought is an evil thing that has to be eradicated (Ali Sina).
Dhimmi: Humans of second class, referring to the 'People of the Book', i.e. Jews and Christians. They enjoy a provisional lodging right under Islamic dominance, are however subordinated in their civil liberties of the arbitrariness of the Muslims. This is fairness as understood in Islam.
And that in Islam it is permissable to use the stratagem of:
Taqiyya (taqqiya): Dissimulation as sanctified hypocrisy. It is considered a part of Islamic strategy to lie and deceive unbelievers by any means. Thus exercising taqqiyah is very pious behavior. Veiling the truth: Adjustment, deception up to the open lie. -Taqqiya is attached, if it is helpful to the well-being of the religion -Islam (Khomeini). Sunnis will deceptively say that this goes only for Shiites...
Kitman: Kitman is close to Taqqiya (see it) but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Moslem maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” Another example would be the insistence of a Moslem apologist that, “of course”, there is freedom of conscience in Islam and then quoting that Qur’anic verse -“There shall be no compulsion in religion.” But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Moslem doctrine of abrogation, or naskh
Which means that nothing you say is valid.
That Islam is a:
Islam: Totalitarian ideology propounding Arabic imperialism, based on the alleged teachings of Mohammed, which determines the entire social, political and legal life of the Muslims and the non-Muslims dominated by them. --Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated Abdul Raoulf, case of Abdul Rahman a Christian convert from Islam.
Islamo-fascism: Like Nazism was a National-Socialism, Islam is such a Religious-Socialism since its Khalifat is meant to be imposed worldwide, including its lifestyle, through forced conversion.
That there is no other option than:
Khalifat (Caliphate): Only Islamic (Arabic) legitimized ruling form of government. Islam is basically looking out to establish the Khalifat worldwide and as such should be labelled: Islamo-fascism.
Sharia (or Shariah): Archaic religious juridical system, which regulates the entire social life of Moslems and non-Muslims under Islamic dominance. Believed by Moslems to be God-given, thus immuable. A country which isn't ruled by the Sharia is not considered pacified, as in the Islamic notion of peace. Bid'ah, Fard, Fiqh, Hadith, Hudd and Tafsir are part of the jurisprudence.
And the only Peace recognized by Islam is:
Peace: Submission to Allah is the only peace recognized in Islam. Anything else is worthy of justified retaliation. --When Muslims say peace, they mean non-Muslims should be subdued and humiliated to the extent that they have no strength to rebel. Peace, according to Islam, is therefore achieved through subjugation (Ali Sina).
Arsalan 02-01-08, 12:22 PM If that is your knowledge of Islam I must say it is extremely limited and laughable. You provide no footnotes when i ask you for sources, you dont provide any verses to support your point of view. I mean, why do you jsut copy and paste from sites?
DeepThought 02-01-08, 01:11 PM Another bombing today!! and it's the same thing again "pet markets". Are suicide bombers so dumb these days they can't tell the difference!!!..or is it they just don't like pet markets!!
Maybe they're angry that people are bringing animals into their families, when so many humans are dying/suffering.
spidergoat 02-01-08, 02:34 PM The question is still why the Moslem Terrorist in the Name of God and Peace kill innocent people who are just going about their business.
I guess Blackwater was busy.
Arsalan 02-01-08, 07:19 PM Also, note how BR said "Moslim Terrorists" when referring to the terrorists but said "innocent people" when talking about the muslims that were killed. That is all you need to know about his logic ;)
Demonic muslim terrorists slithered to a new low today using retarded women, to kill innocent Iraqis, animals, and pets. :mad:
Also, note how BR said "Moslim Terrorists" when referring to the terrorists but said "innocent people" when talking about the muslims that were killed. That is all you need to know about his logic ;)
:crazy:
Arsalan 02-01-08, 07:31 PM Demonic muslim terrorists slithered to a new low today using retarded women, to kill innocent Iraqis, animals, and pets. :mad:
Were those innocent iraqis muslims as well then?
Arsalan 02-01-08, 07:32 PM :crazy:
You do know what i meant right? That he wont call those innocent people Muslims simply because innocent people cannot be Muslims in his opinion
Arsalan 02-01-08, 08:10 PM dont put words in my mouth. I said you wont accept that those innocent people were Muslims because that doesnt fit in your worldview does it? But we all know that
Buffalo Roam 02-01-08, 10:10 PM Also, note how BR said "Moslim Terrorists" when referring to the terrorists but said "innocent people" when talking about the muslims that were killed. That is all you need to know about his logic ;)
dont put words in my mouth. I said you wont accept that those innocent people were Muslims because that doesnt fit in your worldview does it? But we all know that
Well that is the logic I see from your post 1735328.
Now why shouldn't I use your context? you don't make any differentiation between them. Now were the people killed Moslem Terrorist? and who pushed the button to set off the Bombs? Moslem Terrorist.
I have never claimed that all Moslems are terrorist, but all the Suicide Bombings in Iraq are carried out by Moslems, or should I call them Martyr Operations, Shaheed, It is Moslems, Killing Moslems, and those doing the killing are doing so for the purpose of terrorizing Moslems, and not doing anything that would remove the Coalition Troops from Iraq.
Arsalan 02-01-08, 10:29 PM So my continous saying that these are just terrorists not "muslim" terrorists is me not differentiating between them :rolleyes: Btw, Ali Sina as your source for Islam? hahaha lol
Challenger78 02-01-08, 10:33 PM Actually it works in reverse sometimes like what happened after 11/9/01 when America struck back against someone who they thought were involved.
But maybe that was the point, get the US in a drawn out war that saps her resources and her strength.
Buffalo Roam 02-01-08, 10:38 PM So my continous saying that these are just terrorists not "muslim" terrorists is me not differentiating between them :rolleyes: Btw, Ali Sina as your source for Islam? hahaha lol
Well who are committing the suicide Bombings? the Smurfs?
Do they point their ass's away from Mecca to pray?
They are killing Innocent Moslems, not Coalition Forces, 117 to 1.
Is Iraq part of the Ummah?
They scream to the world Allau Akbar, when they commit these acts, so tell me are they Moslems? and are they terrorist? and is their purpose to drive the Coalition Forces from Iraq and restore the sanctity of the Ummah?
And How in the Hell You Drive the Coalition Out of Iraq by Killing Iraqis?
But maybe that was the point, get the US in a drawn out war that saps her resources and her strength.
That was Osama's goal, to destroy the economy of the US. He said it very clearly.
Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,,845725,00.html
Well who are committing the suicide Bombings? the Smurfs?
Do they point their ass's away from Mecca to pray?
They are killing Innocent Moslems, not Coalition Forces, 117 to 1.
Is Iraq part of the Ummah?
They scream to the world Allau Akbar, when they commit these acts, so tell me are they Moslems? and are they terrorist? and is their purpose to drive the Coalition Forces from Iraq and restore the sanctity of the Ummah?
And How in the Hell You Drive the Coalition Out of Iraq by Killing Iraqis?
You're just following the reports like they were so accurate.
Get a clue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxj3M7h5mK4
Arsalan 02-01-08, 10:55 PM Well who are committing the suicide Bombings? the Smurfs?
Do they point their ass's away from Mecca to pray?
They are killing Innocent Moslems, not Coalition Forces, 117 to 1.
Is Iraq part of the Ummah?
They scream to the world Allau Akbar, when they commit these acts, so tell me are they Moslems? and are they terrorist? and is their purpose to drive the Coalition Forces from Iraq and restore the sanctity of the Ummah?
And How in the Hell You Drive the Coalition Out of Iraq by Killing Iraqis?
Ehh, excuse me wtf??? Your posts have gone from loony to no sense at all at a rapid rate. You say they kill innocent Muslims. What Muslim kills another innocent human, let alone a Muslim? Where does the Quran endorse that? You cant provide me with support for that argument can you?
Also, how is it supposed to drive out the coalition forces? Why ask me?! :shrug:Im not a terrorirst see. Just because Im a Muslim doesnt mean i know the minds of terrorists...
Buffalo Roam 02-01-08, 11:13 PM Ehh, excuse me wtf??? Your posts have gone from loony to no sense at all at a rapid rate. You say they kill innocent Muslims. What Muslim kills another innocent human, let alone a Muslim? Where does the Quran endorse that? You cant provide me with support for that argument can you?
Also, how is it supposed to drive out the coalition forces? Why ask me?! :shrug:Im not a terrorirst see. Just because Im a Muslim doesnt mean i know the minds of terrorists...
Being obtuse isn't a response, now who killed all of those people in the Market? Smurfs? or Moslems on Jihad, committing murder in the name of Allah?
Why were they killed? to what purpose? and again using the Mentally Disabled.
Moslems, on Jihad, committing murder in the name of Allah, protecting the Ummah, killing Moslems to drive the Coalition out of Iraq.
See the News, daily, the murder of Moslems, by Moslems, day in day out, week in week out, Read the Iraq Body Count files, Moslems killing Moslems, women, children, men, people just looking for the next meal at the market, people wanting to bring a little happiness to their children by buying them a Pet, people looking for a job to feed their family, day in day out, Moslems being blown up by Moslems in suicide bombing attacks, and you want to deny this, and claim that it isn't the fault of Islam or Moslems.
Not to miss the tiny detail of the US occupation of their country.
Abu Tariq believes the U.S. military intentionally destroyed Iraq's infrastructure. "The Americans destroyed the electricity, water pumping stations, factories, bridges, highways, hospitals, schools, buildings, and opened the borders for strangers and terrorists to get easily into the country," he said.
The large number of Iraqis killed by U.S. forces has also hardly endeared the forces to the people.
"When targeted by a roadside bomb or suicide bomber, U.S. soldiers shoot at people randomly. Innocent civilians have been killed or injured," Yaser Abdul-Rahman, a 45-year-old schoolmaster told IPS. "Thousands of people have been killed like this."
The anti-U.S. sentiment in Baquba is now so high that people no longer hide their distrust of the U.S.
"At the beginning of the occupation, the people of Iraq did not realize the U.S. strategy in the area," Abu Taiseer, a member of the communist party in the city told IPS. "Their strategy is based on destruction and massacre. They do anything to have their agenda fulfilled.
"Now, Iraqis know that behind the U.S. smile is hatred and violence," Taiseer added. "They call others violent and terrorists, but what they are doing in Iraq and in other countries is the origin and essence of terror. America is the biggest producer of terror, and they spend huge funds for creating and training death squads all over the world."
Arsalan 02-01-08, 11:18 PM Being obtuse isn't a response, now who killed all of those people in the Market? Smurfs? or Moslems on Jihad, committing murder in the name of Allah?
Why were they killed? to what purpose? and again using the Mentally Disabled.
Moslems, on Jihad, committing murder in the name of Allah, protecting the Ummah, killing Moslems to drive the Coalition out of Iraq.
See the News, daily, the murder of Moslems, by Moslems, day in day out, week in week out, Read the Iraq Body Count files, Moslems killing Moslems, women, children, men, people just looking for the next meal at the market, people wanting to bring a little happiness to their children by buying them a Pet, people looking for a job to feed their family, day in day out, Moslems being blown up by Moslems in suicide bombing attacks, and you want to deny this, and claim that it isn't the fault of Islam or Moslems.
Adn yet you are still to provide me with a written confession of a suicide bomber who says he did it for all those reasons :rolleyes: And this time read what you copy and paste ;)
Buffalo Roam 02-01-08, 11:38 PM Adn yet you are still to provide me with a written confession of a suicide bomber who says he did it for all those reasons :rolleyes: And this time read what you copy and paste ;)
As I said there is nothing to confess as seen through the eyes of a Suicide Bomber, they are Shaheed, Martyrs, there are plenty of Martyr Videos, listen to them for yourself.
Now if this isn't legal in Islam, why are so many doing this if it sends them to Hell?
Some quotes from the U.N. Sub-Commission on Human Rights, International Humanist and Ethical Union, report.
1988 Hamas Charter [co-authored by the late Sheikh Ahmad Yassin and Abd al-Aziz al-Rantisi]. The Charter's slogan in article 8 - borrowed from the Muslim Brotherhood's Charter of 1928 - has since become the Islamist blueprint for global terror. It declares that: "Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its Constitution; Jihad is its path, and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes." Regrettably, this and other extremist Jihadist interpretations of Islam have been approved by several Muslim clerics worldwide, including Yusuf al-Qaradhawi, [dean of the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Qatar University]
On 30 December 2002, before the war began, the then Hamas leader al-Rantisi posted a Hamas website appeal for Muslims to flood Iraq with martyr/shahid 'Islamikaze'[7] bombers. It stated: "The enemies of Allah... crave life while the Muslims crave martyrdom. The martyrdom operations that shock can ensure that horror is sowed in the [enemies'] hearts, and horror is one of the causes of defeat." [8]
What Muslim kills another innocent human?...
The demonic ones all over the world. EVERY day. :(
2/2/2008 (Yala, Thailand) - A rubber tapper is shot to death by muslim militants on his way to work.
2/1/2008 (Baghdad, Iraq) - alQaeda sends two women with Down's Syndrome into two pet markets, then detonates each remotely, slaughtering about one hundred other innocents.
2/1/2008 (Mosul, Iraq) - A 12-year-old boy is taken out by Sunni radicals.
2/1/2008 (Kut, Iraq) - The Mujahideen fire into a bus terminal, killing two Iraqis.
2/1/2008 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Two elderly men are murdered by Islamic gunmen in separate attacks.
2/1/2008 (Nouakchott, Mauritania) - Bearded Jihadis shout 'Allah Akbar' and open up on the Israeli embassy with automatic weapons, injuring three bystanders.
The Koran is full of violence and muslims take it seriously. Most won't condemn acts of violence--even against the innocent. :mad:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
pjdude1219 02-02-08, 09:45 AM violence is rarely logical
Arsalan 02-02-08, 09:46 AM As I said there is nothing to confess as seen through the eyes of a Suicide Bomber, they are Shaheed, Martyrs, there are plenty of Martyr Videos, listen to them for yourself.
Now if this isn't legal in Islam, why are so many doing this if it sends them to Hell?
Some quotes from the U.N. Sub-Commission on Human Rights, International Humanist and Ethical Union, report.
Hehe, so no confession eh? Thought so. And you really think that disabled person had the capacity to reason and say yes im doing this for Islam? :rolleyes: So now you cant provide me with any confessions for the supposed over 10k terrorist attacks? :roflmao:
Arsalan 02-02-08, 09:47 AM The demonic ones all over the world. EVERY day. :(
2/2/2008 (Yala, Thailand) - A rubber tapper is shot to death by muslim militants on his way to work.
2/1/2008 (Baghdad, Iraq) - alQaeda sends two women with Down's Syndrome into two pet markets, then detonates each remotely, slaughtering about one hundred other innocents.
2/1/2008 (Mosul, Iraq) - A 12-year-old boy is taken out by Sunni radicals.
2/1/2008 (Kut, Iraq) - The Mujahideen fire into a bus terminal, killing two Iraqis.
2/1/2008 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Two elderly men are murdered by Islamic gunmen in separate attacks.
2/1/2008 (Nouakchott, Mauritania) - Bearded Jihadis shout 'Allah Akbar' and open up on the Israeli embassy with automatic weapons, injuring three bystanders.
The Koran is full of violence and muslims take it seriously. Most won't condemn acts of violence--even against the innocent. :mad:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
Muslims have condemned it for ages. But no matter how much we condemn or how many fatwas are issued against it, ppl like you will never shut up and still make it sound as if we are part of this.
... you cant provide me with any confessions for the supposed over 10k terrorist attacks?
muslims take credit for/brag about these killings all the time. :mad: They bragged about 911 right after it happened. :mad:
Muslims have condemned it for ages. But no matter how much we condemn or how many fatwas are issued against it, ppl like you will never shut up and still make it sound as if we are part of this.
What muslims here on this forum? I have never met a muslim who didn't at least support CAIR or other terror orgs. :mad:
Arsalan 02-02-08, 10:34 AM muslims take credit for/brag about these killings all the time. They bragged about 911 right after it happened.
:roflmao:
What muslims here on this forum? I have never met a muslim who didn't at least support CAIR or other terror orgs. :mad:
You know, we have a life outside this forum. And weve condemned these attacks many a time, but you dont want to see. Typical :rolleyes: Were not jsut gonna do what you want just to satisfy you. If we did that it would be hollow. No, we give reasons why we condemn these terrorists.
Go ahead and laugh at the muslims taking credit for 911. I rest my case.
Arsalan 02-02-08, 10:10 PM Im laughing at the idiocy of your statement. I assume you did not read what you wrote or understand what i was laughing at. Im laughing at the statement that Muslims bragged about committing 9/11 and killing so many innocent people. That is what im laughing at.
Challenger78 02-02-08, 11:34 PM Being obtuse isn't a response, now who killed all of those people in the Market? Smurfs? or Moslems on Jihad, committing murder in the name of Allah?
Why were they killed? to what purpose? and again using the Mentally Disabled.
Moslems, on Jihad, committing murder in the name of Allah, protecting the Ummah, killing Moslems to drive the Coalition out of Iraq.
See the News, daily, the murder of Moslems, by Moslems, day in day out, week in week out, Read the Iraq Body Count files, Moslems killing Moslems, women, children, men, people just looking for the next meal at the market, people wanting to bring a little happiness to their children by buying them a Pet, people looking for a job to feed their family, day in day out, Moslems being blown up by Moslems in suicide bombing attacks, and you want to deny this, and claim that it isn't the fault of Islam or Moslems.
In the name of Allah, does not mean that Allah endorses it.
For example, Bush went to war in Iraq on behalf of the American people, that doesn't mean that the American people wanted the war.. although knowing you americans, I wouldn't be surprised.
Apply the same thing here. If O Reilly kills a Muslim cleric in the name of the US (for the US), That doesn't mean that all the US wants to kill all muslims.
Buffalo Roam 02-03-08, 02:53 PM In the name of Allah, does not mean that Allah endorses it.
For example, Bush went to war in Iraq on behalf of the American people, that doesn't mean that the American people wanted the war.. although knowing you americans, I wouldn't be surprised.
Apply the same thing here. If O Reilly kills a Muslim cleric in the name of the US (for the US), That doesn't mean that all the US wants to kill all muslims.
But Islam like the Catholic Church in the Crusades does nothing to stop the Suicide Bombings, if is is against Allah's will and Islam's tenets to do this act, why is it being done, and it isn't Christians that are doing these acts it is Moslems, who are spoken of a Shaheed, Martyrs, going directly to Paradise.
Why hasn't there been a reform movement like the Protestants against the Catholic Church to end those abuses of you religion, I am a Proud Protestant, my family stood against the corruption of the Word of God by the Catholic Church, and the murder of innocent people because they refused the offer of salvation, what are you doing to end the Corruption of Islam, if Islam is the Religion of Peace that you claim it is.
Yes what is your religious Leadership, and you, doing to stop the murder of innocents, and the acts of suicide by Moslems in the name of Jihad.
Arsalan 02-03-08, 05:28 PM There hae been various fatwas and protests against terrorist attacks. But your friendly local media wont show you that. No theyll show you people who are violent.
Buffalo Roam 02-03-08, 08:49 PM There hae been various fatwas and protests against terrorist attacks. But your friendly local media wont show you that. No theyll show you people who are violent.
You mean like this?
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/terrorism.php?id=1325249
Also speaking at the conference was HAMAS leader Khaled Mash’al, who praised Qaradawi for being the first cleric to issue a fatwa permitting the use of “martyrdom operations,” i.e. suicide bombings, by HAMAS against civilians in Israel:
From day one to the present, the sheikh, may Allah reward him, has not hesitated to support the jihad and the resistance, and to support the fighters, and the resistance factions. One of the most notable manifestations of this support was when we relied - after Allah - on his support of martyrdom operations. He never hesitated to issue rulings in support of these operations, and there were times when we were in dire need of these rulings.
2004-07-14
Qaradawi denounces Muslim extremism
When pressed on suicide attacks in Israel, the cleric said that such operations were permissible.
"They are necessary because, simply, the Palestinians do not have any other means of confronting their enemies. Give them Apaches (helicopters) and tanks and not one of them would explode himself in a martyrdom operation," he said. "
NPR: Who Carries Out Suicide Bombings?
But many of these organizations, they use suicide bombers religiously - very ... six fatwas - Islamic rulings - that are right now out there that permit ...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18310289
The following fatwa of sheikh Dr. Yussuf al-Qardawi, chairman of the board of the UG, was taken from the Hamas Internet site (www.palestine-info.info, January 17, 2004). It was first published in March 2002 in the Hamas journal Filisteenal-Muslima, which is distributed from Britain.
The fatwa was issued shortly after Wafaa’ Idris,1 the first Palestinian Muslim woman to perpetrate a suicide bombing attack, blew herself up at the entrance to a shopping mall in Afula (a city to the south-east of Haifa in the northern part of Israel) on January 27, 2002. The fatwa came in response to an inquiry which appeared in Filisteen al-Muslima, directed to al-Qardawi, who in that context was perceived by Hamas as the most important Sunni Muslim religious authority, despite the fact that he was not a Palestinian.
Al-Qardawi’s fatwa
Translation
The fatwa of the [Islamic] scholar,2 Dr. Yussuf Qardawi, relating to the participation of women in suicide [i.e., martyrdom or sacrifice of a Muslim’s life for the sake of Allah] actions (al-‘amliyyat al-ishtishhadiyya]
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2.The Arabic term ‘allamah means “a well-educated Muslim man.” It is a very respectful word for an esteemed, educated (usually) Muslim individual who is very knowledgeable in various fields (whether religious or secular). There are other words sharing the same root but used in other contexts below: ‘ulamaa’ (singular, ‘aalim) means “Muslim religious scholars” or Muslim religious individuals with great knowledge. Fuqahaa’ (singular faqih) are distinguished scholars well versed in Muslim law.
For the March 2002 edition of the monthly magazine Filisteen Al-Muslima3 the honorable Dr. Yussuf al-Qardawi was asked about the practical aspects of having (Muslim) women carry out suicide bombing attacks. He answered as follows:
“Suicide actions are the most exalted aspect of the jihad for the sake of Allah, committed by [a Muslim] individual who sacrifices his life ‘cheaply’4 for the sake of Allah . For such an individual, what is written in the Qur’an is considered important: ‘And there is the type of man [a believing Muslim] who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah.’ [Surah 2 (Al-Baqarah), the first part of verse 207].5 That is, the individual who commits suicide for personal reasons [muntahir] despairs of life because of some failure, and he wants to end his life. However, the act of sacrificing one’s life for the sake of Allah [istishhad] is an act of heroism. Most Muslim scholars view it as one of the most exalted aspects of jihad .
“When it is asserted that the jihad is a jihad all Muslims must participate in – [that is, in the situation in which] an enemy has invaded a [Muslim] community – then women are required to engage in such a jihad side by side with their men. [In this case, Muslim] legal scholars stated that: when [a situation occurs in which] an enemy invades a [Muslim] community, its inhabitants are duty bound [to announce] a general enlistment. Then women [may] leave [to take part in the jihad ] without [the necessity of asking] their husbands’ permission, since it is not necessary to obey a mortal when it is a case of disobeying a command of the Creator. In addition, since general good is more important than personal good, when a contradiction arises between the right [i.e., the good] of humans and the right [i.e., the good] of the group, the right [i.e., good] of the group is more important, since [the implication is] realizing the interests of the nation. Therefore, I am of the opinion that women may fulfill a role in such a jihad to the best of their ability . [In such a case] those who organize a jihad operation [al-‘amaliyyah al-jihadiyyah] are entitled to recruit [Muslim] women who believe in this cause and who are able [in such a situation] to reach a status which [even] [Muslim] men cannot attain.
“With regard to the issue of an escort, the male Muslim of the woman [mahram6]: [in that context] we say that a [Muslim] woman may go on a hajj [pilgrimage to Mecca] with [other] believing women without [the escort of a mahram] as long as the way is safe. In fact, [nowadays] a [Muslim] woman does not travel through certain types of desert because of fear [for her safety]. For that reason, she goes by train or plane. [Note: Thus it follows that a woman is permitted to go out on a suicide bombing attack, which is part of jihad , without a male relative escort, as is determined by Muslim law, for it is the same as going on a hajj,paving the way for Muslim women to perpetrate suicide bombing attacks.]
“With regard to the issue of [traditional Muslim] head covering [hijab]: A woman is permitted to [also] wear a [modern] hat to cover her hair. [In addition,] when necessary – assuming that in embarrassing moments she is forced to remove her head covering to be able to carry out the action, going to her death for the sake of Allah – [she is permitted to do so] because she is not prettifying herself or exhibiting herself [in public]. Therefore, [in such a situation,] should we be apprehensive lest she uncover her face and remove her hair covering [in public]? In the final analysis, the problem is [therefore]solved and there is no difficulty [Note: Al-Qardawi thus makes it even easier for women to perpetrate suicide bombing attacks.]
[In any case], I personally am of the opinion that it is the right of the committed [Muslim] sisters to take part and to play a role in the jihad , and (that it is also) their right to have the chance [or, to have the luck] [to participate] in a shahadah [the death of a martyr for the sake of Allah] .”
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