In any religion. I thought 'the heavens' or 'Heaven' means the sky? Or is it not the sky itself, but the stars and sun and such?

Yeah it used to be in the sky until science showed that it wasnt. Surprise, surprise the theists changed their mind on this one.:rolleyes:

God is wherever he wants to be ...and it's not for you to know.

Baron Max

God is wherever he wants to be ...and it's not for you to know.

Baron Max
WHEN exactly did he APOINT you as his spokesperson???

Baron Max:
Is he afraid of me?
scorpius:
The Baron has many years of experience, and has earned the right to be the Spokesman of God.

In any religion. I thought 'the heavens' or 'Heaven' means the sky? Or is it not the sky itself, but the stars and sun and such?

The term heavens and Heaven mean different things in the Bible.

Heavens nearly always refers to the sky this includes the Moon sun and Stars.

Heaven on the other hand is nearly always in reference to the dwelling place of God and the heavenly Host.

So two different heavens but using the same word to describe both.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Actually, Adstar, it is pretty clear from Genesis that Heaven means "the sky".

God needs to get down to the Earth to spy on the Tower of Babel. And he sees the tower from the sky and is worried that it will reach him.

lol He was never worried that it could reach Him. The tower of babylon was a big waste of time and energy so God put an and to the folly and dispersed the peoples throughout the world.

By the way the tower of Babylon was not just a physical tower. It is also a spiritual tower of men trying to strive for God status. That spiritual tower will be finally destroyed by the return of the Messiah Jesus when the Babylonian religion will finally be destroyed.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

:rolleyes: The only thing that exists is the concept of god and that has its place inside the human mind.

In any religion. I thought 'the heavens' or 'Heaven' means the sky? Or is it not the sky itself, but the stars and sun and such?

In the vedas there are distinctions between material heavens. svarga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svarga), and the absolute transcendental abode, vaikuntha (http://www.krishna.com/main.php?id=462).

on top of this the universe is segregated into an upper (heavenly), middle (earthly), and lower (hellish) planetary systems, and the visible sky is the scope for these three types of planetary systems.

vaikuntha, or the heaven commonly associated with the monotheistic god, is not visible since it lays behind many coverings (since it is transcendental, it can only be approached by transcendental means)

Crom lives on a mountain, from whence he sends his devils to torment the cowardly and test the strong.

Crom lives on a mountain, from whence he sends his devils to torment the cowardly and test the strong.
then crom doesn't fit the criteria for god, since the relationship he has with others appears far from anything eternally constitutional

That's simply because you do not know Crom, Lightgigantic!

That's simply because you do not know Crom, Lightgigantic!

you just gave a description of one of his qualities, so I know him to some degree
:cool:

Yet know you the answer to the Riddle of Steel?

Yet know you the answer to the Riddle of Steel?
It may require you to reveal a quality of it

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1280649#post1280649

:rolleyes: The only thing that exists is the concept of god and that has its place inside the human mind.

Actually god is right behind the thalamus, towards the right side. At least mine is because all my headaches start from there.

god lives above us...
he is above us because he is more intelligent...
he lives in that spiritual heaven... your mind.....
try to reach it...

Well lets see...

In Christianity, it is written that "no man has seen nor can see" (1 Tim. 6:15-16) and Jesus says "the kingdom of God comes not by observation, for behold the kingdom of God is within you" (Luke XVII.20-21), however there is a trinity, the Son and Father may be visible, but not the Holy Spirit

In Islam, "No vision can grasp Him, But His grasp is over all vision; He is above all comprehension, Yet is acquainted with all things" (Qur'an 6.103).

In Hinduism, the Upashinads, SB, and Bhagavad Gita state that God is the unchanging, eternal witness or observer existing before the material world, after, and in between just the same, beyond the senses, causeless, absolute bliss, reality itself, however God can show himself in physical form, although this physical form is not really God

What's SB? Shadowbane?

God is beyond time, beyond space.

God is everywhere, and inside you.

The kingdom of God is not a place that can be called to be 'here' or 'there', no the kingdom of God is within you.

If someone say that Jesus is here or Jesus is there, don't believe him, when Jesus comes everybody will see Him, like the flash of lightning is seen from horizon to horizon.

God is beyond time, beyond space.

God is everywhere, and inside you.

The kingdom of God is not a place that can be called to be 'here' or 'there', no the kingdom of God is within you.

If someone say that Jesus is here or Jesus is there, don't believe him, when Jesus comes everybody will see Him, like the flash of lightning is seen from horizon to horizon.

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M*W: Indeed, Jesus will rise and everybody will see the Sun of God come up over the horizon. God is the creator of time when he rises and sets and rises again over the clouds with the sounds of trumpets (bugles=reveille). Our creator god in heaven, what happens above in heaven will be mirror imaged on Earth -- "as above, so below." We will work for our bread by the light of the sun and sleep in our bed in the darkness of night. When the sun goes down, we are led into the temptation of darkness where there is no light. Darkness is sin and we must hid from it in our beds. The mythological god has always been a metaphor for the sun since ancient humans stared into the skies.

In your head.

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M*W: Indeed, Jesus will rise and everybody will see the Sun of God come up over the horizon. God is the creator of time when he rises and sets and rises again over the clouds with the sounds of trumpets (bugles=reveille). Our creator god in heaven, what happens above in heaven will be mirror imaged on Earth -- "as above, so below." We will work for our bread by the light of the sun and sleep in our bed in the darkness of night. When the sun goes down, we are led into the temptation of darkness where there is no light. Darkness is sin and we must hid from it in our beds. The mythological god has always been a metaphor for the sun since ancient humans stared into the skies.

In ancient egyptian mythology Ra was associated with the sundisk symbol (circle of Ra) and it usually related to meditative practices. The sundisk being a symbol of a dot in the middle surrounded by a bold circular line. The dot in the middle represented the great Neter or supreme being. The Goddess Net( the primordial form of the later Goddesses, Aset and Hetheru) actually represents the great Neter with female aspect, although Goddess Net was androgynous. She was also called the "divine cow who gave birth to Ra". The outer circle represented creation and all in it (Ra).
So yes, the sun was central in their spiritual system as Ra represented the sun and was the god of creation and all in it.
So much of the foundations of christianity are based upon this principle as MW put it: "metaphor for the sun" ,although many cannot see the correlation.

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M*W: Indeed, Jesus will rise and everybody will see the Sun of God come up over the horizon. God is the creator of time when he rises and sets and rises again over the clouds with the sounds of trumpets (bugles=reveille). Our creator god in heaven, what happens above in heaven will be mirror imaged on Earth -- "as above, so below." We will work for our bread by the light of the sun and sleep in our bed in the darkness of night. When the sun goes down, we are led into the temptation of darkness where there is no light. Darkness is sin and we must hid from it in our beds. The mythological god has always been a metaphor for the sun since ancient humans stared into the skies.Of course, the sun is a natural symbol of God. But the Bible say that Gods light shines many times brighter than the sun, also the Bible say that we shouldn't worship the sun (which means that your image isn't quite right, but it says rather that what is here on earth may be a symbol of what takes place in heaven, and that the rules that apply in heaven also shall apply on earth).

I see that you try to prove things with likening them with other things, that approach isn't working in this case, and isn't working in any of the new age cases I have seen yet, however, I guess that the method could be used to find something good, but however yet, I think that it's probably better at convincing than working out the truth.

Where is God?

Psst. He's behind you. Don't look. You'll scare him off.

I'm right here! I know , I know another carazy atheist who believes he's god right? Wrong. My girlfriend told me so.

Oh!OOOOOH!God! Yes! Yes! God! harder, Yes! yes! god, god yes, yes...

You get the point! LOL...