Is the MSM just going to let this die? Is law enforcement even going after him? WTF! Really, Clinton has an affair and is persecuted as if he did something so heinous that the Lucifer himself would be more credible in office, yet Rove leaks the name of a CIA operative who coincidentally is the wife of a diplomat that brought bad news to *, no yellow cakes being purchased by Saddam. Wow! The priorities in this country are so screwed up.
It was just one more of the many "stories" that the media brought forth without any substantiating evidence for their allegations and accusations. It died because there was no truth to any of it ....except the attempt at political assassination. If you think about it, there have been thousands of such "stories" that simply died because of lack of evidence or proof. They happen daily in all of the news media reports ......and it's all because the media has been too quick to jump to conclusions and/or make false allegations. Baron Max
The media has a pro Republican bias. I don't call it a conservative bias because these borrow and spend Republicans are not true conservatives.
Tell me, what was the evidence that disproved this story? I can tell you plenty about what really happened but if you don't want to listen that's fine by me.
Such allegations do NOT have to be DISproven, they must be proven. People, even the media, shouldn't make allegations without more and better substantiating evidence. I don't know what you call it ...slander or something, but just making allegations is not a very nice thing to do. Too bad that it seems like that's all that people do these days ....everyone accuses everyone else and it becomes a "war" without end, revenge and vengeance in a never-ending cycle of hate. As to you "telling me plenty", no, I wouldn't believe it. Who are you? Do you have evidence that would stand up in a court of law? If not, then you have nothing but what everyone else has ....slander and false allegations without any facts. No, I don't want to hear your story. Baron Max
If they could prove that, he'd be charged with a crime. Or are you the only one who knows this stuff for sure? Got any evidence that you could send to the congress? Baron Max
Yeah go look up "political red tape". A year ago Bush said he'll fire whoever was responsible. Couple months ago the evidence pointed to our non-corrupt buddy Karl. Everybody went quiet and the information regarding the investigation was kept secret. Now nobody is talking about it at all. Oh yes! Everything is AOK! The investigators are still trying to find who is responsible, AFTER AN ENTIRE YEAR what a great bunch of investigators. If you think that everything is still peachy and that Karl Rove is innocent you must have failed poetry class. OMG WHY POETRY? Well Baron, reading between the lines is a must when trying to understand poems. If you look at all the events that transpired between the time that the agent's name was revealed and now.. a picture should be forming. If not, well, keep living the dream.
There's a special prosecutor on the case. It's true none of the allegations can be proven 100% fact right now. I'll tell you what Baron Max, I'll wait for the special prosecutor to do his thing before i start talking.
Well, I hope that someday you might be charged with a crime that you didn't commit .......I wonder if you'll have the same outlook then? Or will you agree happily when the "hanging party" comes to grab you out of the jail? Baron Max
Cooper, who wrote the second story which didn't out Plame, but verified her name in the public eye, got his information from Rove, and has said so. Judith Miller who first published her name, still will not verify her source, but given that the Cooper/Rove discussion occured before Miller's article was published, all fingers point to there being one leak; namely, Rove. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8445696/site/newsweek/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162766,00.html This is not being followed up on right now because Rove didn't leak her name until 5 years and one month after Plame had been assigned to an overseas post (she had been working in Langley since her last posting which provided NOC status). The leaking of an undercover intenational spy is only illegal if the leak comes within 5 years of the person in question being posted overseas. I still think it was treason, and simply asshole-ish to the point of Rove deserving at least the removal of all power under some form of "conduct not befitting a public servent", but I do not believe at this time that anything can be done to him. Evil, vindictive, self-serving, dangerous, but sadly, due to how the law is written, not criminal.
We're a nation of law ...to ignore it is far worse than what Rove was alleged to have done. And now that he's been vindicated, how many here will make any kind of apology for their slanderous or whatever the did, against Mr. Rove? Baron Max
He has not been vindicated. He leaked the name of an undercover agent to the press. Just because the law has a loophole, doesn't mean he didn't do the deed. If I were to rob a store, and not get caught for 20 years, I would most likely be safe from prosecution (the statute of limitations would have run out for the crime in question). That makes me no less a thief. It simply makes me non-prosecutable for that particular crime. I repeat: "Evil, vindictive, self-serving, dangerous, but sadly, *due to how the law is written*, not criminal." Due to the wording of the law, not due to the actions of Mr. Rove. He is still an ass, and I wouldn't mind giving him a swift kick in his. He needs to be removed from his position as a result of his actions, IMO; he not mentally mature enough to have such power in his hands.
River-wind, you're confusing me or you're confused. You said: "Cooper, who wrote the second story which didn't out Plame, but verified her name in the public eye, got his information from Rove, and has said so. Judith Miller who first published her name, still will not verify her source, but given that the Cooper/Rove discussion occured before Miller's article was published, all fingers point to there being one leak; namely, Rove." Notice that last line? Notice how you've turned facts into speculation? "...all finger point to there being one leak; namely, Rove."? So "finger pointing" is the same as fact? And that a person should be convicted by "finger pointing"? Please ...we're supposed to be a nation of laws. To make such a statement is refuting that very concept of law .....and is nothing but political in-fighting or worse! Baron Max
River Wind, Judith Miller did not write a Plame story and never published her name. I don't know how the grand jury learned that she had received the leak when she never used the leak. Robert Novak was the one who wrote the first story and outed Plame.
Rove didn't out Plame, neither did Scooter Libby, that is why Fitzgerald is expanding the investigation. As for Wilson, the 9-11 Commission found that his report was supportive of the assertion that Saddam sought to buy uranium from Africa, not the other way around. And why not? Saddam had 500 tons of uranium he had already purchased from Niger.
nirakar, thanks for the correction, you are correct. How *did* Miller get invoved? I sort of got the names all mixed up in my brain. Baron Max - whether or not he leaked her name to the person who first published it or not, he still leaked it to someone who wasn't supposed to know. I clearly moved into the realm of finger pointing, yes, but only after I pointed out that is have been confirmed that he leaked the name, which is the issue RE: Rove. The issue RE: who outed Plame is up the air, but Rove DID give her name out, despite his lawyer's earlier insitance that he had not done so. CitizenRight - any links? I'd be interested in in reading about all of the items you mentioned.
Wrong wrong just plain wrong. But I don't know whether you, your source, or the 9-11 Commission got it wrong but that is not what Wilson reported. If the 9-11 commision did that shame on them because I don't believe that they would make that sort of mistake so it would have to be a deliberate deception. Let's hope that it is you or your source that got it wrong.
the 9-11 commision report is available for free in the iTunes Music Store as an audio book. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=19587519 edit: oh, it's not free anymore Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! $4.95 they also have a number of the hearings in audio format for free, do a search on '9-11' (no quotes). edit: these are still free.
