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The Flemster
12-01-05, 05:42 AM
As there are many different religions and views represented on here, and because I can neither be arsed nor tricked into researching the answer myself, I was wondering when the various texts and tomes predict the world will end and, more interestingly, how?

I presonally am not religious at all and I believe we're all doomed to by wiped out by a bloody big asteroid in 2014. June 2nd to be precise.
Any other bids?

The Flemster.

KennyJC
12-01-05, 06:39 AM
About 5 billion years is my best bet.

Godless
12-01-05, 07:01 AM
The world will end; the day you die.

kazakhan
12-01-05, 08:02 AM
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Paraclete
12-01-05, 09:05 AM
Biology : end of your world, when you die.

Astronomy: in 6.5 billion years the sun will shine twice as strong as now, causing great destruction on earth - in 8 billion years the sun will certainly destroy planet earth totally.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Sun_(astronomy)


Religous : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology)

It seems only God(s) know(s)


Also see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_civilization

Paraclete
12-01-05, 09:26 AM
it looks like the first link doesn´t load - you can find it on a yahoo/google search on:
"sun astronomy wikibooks "

Paraclete
12-01-05, 09:34 AM
About your asteroid in year 2014, according to NASA , it is going to miss us :

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news138.html

Paraclete
12-01-05, 09:56 AM
And by the way Flemster I will send you a bill for this research .......

leopold99
12-02-05, 07:01 AM
june 22 2025 06:35 GMT reason: a bloodier asteroid

genep
12-02-05, 05:57 PM
As there are many different religions and views represented on here, and because I can neither be arsed nor tricked into researching the answer myself, I was wondering when the various texts and tomes predict the world will end and, more interestingly, how?

I presonally am not religious at all and I believe we're all doomed to by wiped out by a bloody big asteroid in 2014. June 2nd to be precise.
Any other bids?

The Flemster.
The world will end at the EXACT same time, the instant, you die.

And you would have to be a fool to think otherwise.

Godless
12-02-05, 06:55 PM
Genep, I also said that already. ;)

When did the world begin?.

The world began the day I became aware of it!. ;)

Godless

Lori_7
12-02-05, 06:58 PM
The world's not going to end, but be transformed, and it says in the Bible that no one knows when or ever will know when except for God Himself. Who cares anyway? What difference does it make? Live everyday like it's your last because it just might be, and like it has been said here already, that day will be the end of this world for you.

Godless
12-02-05, 07:00 PM
Actually god is dead, so the world for him ended long time ago. Or better yet god never was.

Godless

Cris
12-02-05, 07:55 PM
The next major asteroid that we can't predict or the sun going nova.

Religions have been making claims for the end of the world being just around the corner for thousands of years. Gosh what a surprise - we are still here.

Adstar
12-03-05, 07:05 AM
I don't know if this world is going to ever come to an end physically. But it is sure going to come to an end as it currently is. Date? God Knows. ;)


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

duendy
12-03-05, 07:17 AM
As there are many different religions and views represented on here, and because I can neither be arsed nor tricked into researching the answer myself, I was wondering when the various texts and tomes predict the world will end and, more interestingly, how?

I presonally am not religious at all and I believe we're all doomed to by wiped out by a bloody big asteroid in 2014. June 2nd to be precise.
Any other bids?

The Flemster.
yes it is true. many patriarchal religions believe 'the world will end'....and as you yourself reveal, even in the materialistic secularworld this fear is modified to fit

but really madly deeply the origins and maings of te world ending lie very deep. IF materialistic science would get over its mental illness myth and understand so-called shcizophrenia. it is seen how namy visions from people being daignosed as having a biological isease are really in process of natural healing. when one looks at some reported visions what do we find? why, we fidcover visions of world enidng...!!!!....and when we say look at te vast research of Dr Grof who has thousands of cases who hve explored consciousness via psychedelic and non-psychedelic experiential techniques, what do we find...? that pople also have experienced visions of the end of te world

so what does all tis evidence point to? Ro the fact tat tis experince of end of the world was never really meant to be taken literally as the end of EARTH, but is a deep experience we can have which is symbolizing death and rebirth.

Patriarchal religions and followers have the tendency to literalize myth, and experience, hence we have te worry of 'when is the world gonna end?'...

Renrue
12-03-05, 10:46 AM
Godless and genep,
The world will end; the day you die.
The world will end at the EXACT same time, the instant, you die.

And you would have to be a fool to think otherwise.
Just wondering, what's your definition of dying? Because if the world ends, does it restart after you are revived after being clinically dead? :eek: Of course, I'm getting what you're trying to say, but how does being revived fit in the equation? :D


[Renrue]

Godless
12-03-05, 11:06 AM
Ren; if you are revived, then technically you were not dead. ;)

Medicine*Woman
12-03-05, 02:00 PM
[QUOTE=Adstar]I don't know if this world is going to ever come to an end physically. But it is sure going to come to an end as it currently is. Date? God Knows. ;)
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M*W: There is no specific date as far as we will know. Jesus allegedly said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega," and "I will be with you always, even to the end of the Age."

The Alpha and the Omega: If the Sun/Sun of God/God could speak, it would have said: "I am the first and the last. I created all things. I am the Sign of Aries, and I am the Sign of Pisces (the first and the last signs of the zodiac). I am all space and time. I will be with you always, even to the end of the Age of Pisces. Then I will become the Age of Aries all over again. No one gets to 'the Father' (the Sun) except by the cosmological signs I created who orbit eternally around me."

Renrue
12-03-05, 02:08 PM
Godless,
Ren; if you are revived, then technically you were not dead. ;)
What's your perception of "being dead" to experience the "end of the world" then? Being clinically dead doesn't seem to satisfy your perception of death. =P

On a sidenote, I think the world will end to the first successor of the title "World Conqueror/Dominator." And somewhere along the line, I hope to hold that title. ;)


[Renrue]

The Flemster
12-05-05, 05:11 AM
The world will end; the day you die.


Ahh... that's almost sweet!

The world will not end the day I die.
MY world might but the rest of you and your offspring will still be running about, therefore the world wont have ended!

Actually, I wish I'd never started this thread now-- can't get a straight answer out of anyone!!!

Medicine*Woman
12-05-05, 07:32 AM
Ahh... that's almost sweet!

The world will not end the day I die.
MY world might but the rest of you and your offspring will still be running about, therefore the world wont have ended!

Actually, I wish I'd never started this thread now-- can't get a straight answer out of anyone!!!
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M*W: Perhaps no one gave you the answer you wanted to hear, but I'll give you one. Our universe was created by the warmth of the sun that thawed out this frozen rock upon which we sit. When an optimum temperature appeared, natural life was formed in the warming seas. Then life crawled upon the dry lands and became acclimated to different ecosystems. Our tenure on this melting rock has been a process of adaptation to our environs. Therefore life is constantly in the process of 'changing' or, shall I say, 'improving' our viability to survive in our ever-changing ecosystems.

The sun came to be known as "the creator of all." The Sun then came to be known as "God" by the ancient humans whose first words described their fear and awe of the unreachable sun.

The sun has been with us always, and will be with us always, even to the end of the "Age." Jesus had no "Earthly father," it's been said. Jesus was "eternally begotten" of the sun. He became known as the Sun of God, "light from light, begotten not made, one in being" with the Sun. Jesus, the "Alpha and Omega," represented the sun, the "first and the last." It is said that Jesus' grandfather was "Heli" (another name for the sun). It was ancient man's way of reaching for the sun and bringing it to Earth in human form. It was ancient man's way of having power and control over the enigmas of the universe... or so the patriarchs thought.

While the universe is expanding, our frozen rock continues to thaw, and we continue to "change" or evolve to optimally co-habit within our life support ecosystems.

To answer your question, "when will the world end?," the answer I submit is "never." Can we truthfully say, "the world will end when I die?" No. You world may end when you die, as mine will, but the rest of the world is still very much alive and kicking. Even our short time on Earth is a process rather than an event. We can spread our DNA, or we can spread our thoughts, memories, ideas and dreams.

The Flemster
12-06-05, 05:45 AM
Alright, okay.
I maybe didn't make myself clear.
I'm fully aware of the lifespan of our solar system and all related theories (of which I subscribe to), I was just wondering what different religions interpret as to the end of the world. When, if at all, it is mentioned in their respective religious texts, etc.
And yes- I'm far too lazy and set in my ways to read all the different books on the subject!!!

The Flemster.

Adstar
12-06-05, 07:11 AM
Ahh... that's almost sweet!

The world will not end the day I die.
MY world might but the rest of you and your offspring will still be running about, therefore the world wont have ended!

Actually, I wish I'd never started this thread now-- can't get a straight answer out of anyone!!!

Whats not straight about this one?

I don't know if this world is going to ever come to an end physically. But it is sure going to come to an end as it currently is. Date? God Knows.

The straight answer is no human knows. The Christian scriptures give no definite date.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Medicine*Woman
12-06-05, 11:21 AM
Whats not straight about this one?

The straight answer is no human knows. The Christian scriptures give no definite date.
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M*W: You're right. No human knows. Since there is "nothing new under the Sun," everything that was, is, and will be, is already stored in our genetic memory. We only "become aware of it" when the time is right and when we are ready as a society/culture for this knowledge to emerge.

This also leads me back to the hidden cosmology of the bible. "There is nothing new under the Sun" also reminds us that we live in a cyclic universe as we spin around the Sun... the Alpha and the Omega theory, or Aries through Pisces, through the complete universal cycle of some 25,800 years. There really is "nothing new under the Sun."

audible
12-06-05, 06:07 PM
what's all this crap about asteroids hitting the earth, do the maths, you have more chance of winning the lottery. in england it's 14 million to one, in outer space the probabilty is much much higher, something like 196.000.000.000.000 to one we are more likely to kill ourselves before anything hits us.

Adstar
12-06-05, 08:24 PM
A asteroid will either hit the earth or it will not Hit the earth it depends on the trajectory of the asteroid. talking about probability is irrelevant. If one is going to hit it is going to hit on the day that it is going to hit. No probability calculation will change that.


Just adding something to my last post. No human knows, but we can have fun speculating. I have my own favorite speculated year.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Medicine*Woman
12-06-05, 08:54 PM
A asteroid will either hit the earth or it will not Hit the earth it depends on the trajectory of the asteroid. talking about probability is irrelevant. If one is going to hit it is going to hit on the day that it is going to hit. No probability calculation will change that.

Just adding something to my last post. No human knows, but we can have fun speculating. I have my own favorite speculated year.

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M*W: But why 'speculate' on something as deathly and devastating happening to our Mother Earth? How patriarchal of you.

Adstar
12-06-05, 09:15 PM
Because i believe it could and probably will happen. And therefore i keep an eye out for signs. i believe great destruction will befall earth soon. Not destruction that will destroy the earth but destruction that will end the earth as it is now.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Cris
12-06-05, 09:58 PM
Adstar,

Yup I have to agree with you on this. We are bombarded daily by meteors of varying sizes. It appears to be inevitable that a large one will hit and cause significant global destruction.

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Earth%20impact.htm

Medicine*Woman
12-06-05, 10:48 PM
Because i believe it could and probably will happen. And therefore i keep an eye out for signs. i believe great destruction will befall earth soon. Not destruction that will destroy the earth but destruction that will end the earth as it is now.
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M*W: And you're a fatalist. Keep your eyes out, my friend, because they will be blinded. You are a sicko xian.

Adstar
12-07-05, 06:12 AM
Adstar,

Yup I have to agree with you on this. We are bombarded daily by meteors of varying sizes. It appears to be inevitable that a large one will hit and cause significant global destruction.

http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Earth%20impact.htm

Good page Cris. I suppose MW would call the scientists who study and look out for this event "sickos". Of course they spent years running their calculations through their computer simulators and taking core samples showing the impact on the earth of earlier impacts.

It was an interesting read:


So what happens when the Earth is hit by a large chunk of rock? A one kilometre asteroid striking the Earth at a typical speed of 25 to 30 kilometres per second would have a devastating effect. On impact the enormous kinetic energy of the body will instantaneously be dumped into target rock in an explosion equivalent to 300,000 megatons of TNT - the largest man-made nuclear weapon had a yield of 60 megatons. Flash and blast from the impact will destroy an area the size of Belgium. A 20 kilometre wide crater will be excavated in seconds,

Revelation
Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood.



and debris will be ejected into sub orbital trajectories.

Revelation
Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.



This debris will later re-enter the atmosphere like a massive meteor shower all over the planet creating an intense global heat pulse, raising fires that will destroy a significant proportion of the biomass.

Revelation
The first angel sounded: And hail and fire followed, mingled with blood, and they were thrown to the earth. And a third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up.

Well 1 third of the biomass.


The ozone layer will be obliterated.

Revelation
Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and power was given to him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent and give Him glory.



Major volcanism and seismic activity will occur as the shock wave from the impact ripples through the planet.

Revelation
I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

and again

Revelation
And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.



Intense acid rain resulting from the ionisation of the air as the impactor entered the atmosphere, and large quantities of pyrotoxins produced by global fires will fall world-wide.

Revelation
The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the water, because it was made bitter.


If only those scientists had the read the book of revelations they could have saved millions in research grants. But maybe if they did then they would have done themselves out of a lifetime gravy train? :D

Well this is where i am going to throw a bit of speculation into the Mix. There is a space mountain that is coming our way and it is due here on friday the 13th of April 2029. Oh friday the 13th such a lucky day. And Just guess what the rational minded scientific community has called this space mountain?

Apopis. It is named after an egyptian god. Now guess what Apopis is the god off?

Apophis: the Destroyer.

Patron of: evil and darkness

What a name to give to meteor, do you think they are trying to get a message out without getting a message out???

Another bit of speculation for you cris. It is the consensus of many learned Christians ( Oh we are not all neanderthals like the athiest propaganda states, i assure you) That Jesus was born not in 1 AD but in 4BC and we know that Jesus was executed when he was 33. So Jesus died in the year 29 AD.

Now hear is the thing 2029 - 29 = 2000. So Apophis the Destroyer patron of evil and darkness will reach earth 2000 years after the execution of the Messiah Jesus. Hey remember how some of the prophesy buffs where all excited about the year 2000? Some of them got really excited because they thought it was 2000 years after the birth of the Messiah Jesus. Well the thing is it was not 2000 years after the birth of Jesus and as far as i am concerned the start to the age of grace began the day Jesus was executed. So 2000 years after the Atoning sacrifice of Jesus is by far the more significant date.

I suppose you are thinking what is the significance of the 2000 anniversary. Well another guy did a pretty good right up on the wilderness temple they built for the Ark of the Covenant. He claims that within the dimensions of the structure there is a dimension calculation related to the time of the 3 ages before the final judgement.

_______________________________

Interesting dimensions of the Levitical tent temple


'Tabernacle in the Wilderness'

When reading the Old Testament, many of the details seem to be obscure at best - and at worst laborious. The precise details of Leviticus, for example, can be difficult to exegete 3500 years after the fact and half a world away. If we take the time to search these truths out, however, while being careful not to make the Bible a cosmic scavenger hunt, the result can be quite rewarding.

Take, for example, the dimensions of the Tabernacle in the Wilderness. The outer wall was 100 cubits in length, 50 cubits in width, and 5 cubits in height (Exodus 27:18). This is a place where we as Bible Scholars are tempted to continue on without investigating any further. But if we add the two longer walls (100+100) to the two shorter walls (50+50), then we find that the Tabernacle Courtyard was 300 cubits around. Further, if you multiply 300 cubits by 5 cubits (the wall height), we find that the wall was 1500 square cubits. Keep this number in mind.

Next we proceed to the Holy Place. According to my NIV Study Bible, the Holy Place was 20 cubits long, 10 cubits wide, and 10 cubits high. This is tough discern from the details of Exodus 26, but these dimensions are uniform from every account that I have seen. Notice though that in Exodus 26:7 the Tabernacle is covered with goat hair. More on that later, but for now just note that 20x10x10 is 2000 - the Holy Place was 2000 cubic cubits.

Finally there is the Most Holy Place, which was also covered. Its dimensions were 10x10x10, or 1000 cubic cubits. So what, you may be asking, what of all these numbers?

The Courtyard had the Bronze Basin and the Bronze Altar. This is where, under the law, Jews brought their ritual sacrifices to offer to God. In other words, the Courtyard represents the Age of the Law and Prophets. From Moses receiving the Law on Mount Sinai to the resurrection of Christ was approximately 1500 years. If you recall, the Courtyard wall was 1500 square cubits!

The Holy Place contained the Table of Showbread (the Lord's Supper), the Alter of Incense (the prayer of the saints), and the seven branched Lampstand (typifies the Church in the book of Revelation). The Holy Place therefore represents the Church Age! And because the Holy Place was 2000 cubic cubits in size, we can infer that the Church age will be approximately 2000 years in duration.

The Most Holy Place contained the Ark of the Covenant, which itself contained a vile of Manna, the Stone Tablets, and Moses' rod. Resting on top of the Arc was the Mercy Seat. When we put all of this together we find that the Most Holy Place, 1000 cubic cubits, represents the Millenniel Kingdom of Christ which will of course will last a thousand years. During this time, Jesus Christ, the living bread from Heaven will rule and reign from the Mercy Seat in Jerusalem with a rod of iron. He will write His Law on our hearts and the lion will lay down with the lamb.

One other detail here. Notice that the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place were covered, whereas the Courtyard was open air. To me the implications here are obvious. The Age of the Law and Prophets knew about God the Father and the Holy Spirit, but the revelation of Jesus Christ remained concealed. During the Church Age and in the Millennium to come, Christ is and will be revealed. Hence the two dimensions (square cubits) on the outside and the three dimensions (cubic cubits) on the inside. The distinction between the Church Age and the Millennium are twofold. First and most obviously, Christ will be on Earth in person and fully revealed. Second, during the Millennium the Jews will recognize Christ as Messiah, which by and large they have yet to do.

It's going to be Heaven on Earth and it's almost here!

_________________________________


Well maybe.

All Praise the Ancient Of Days

Paraclete
12-07-05, 12:14 PM
Well, I just saw today at CNN Europe , that the iranian president says it is the "God given right of Iran to be a nuclear power" and have nuclear weapons.....

The reason why, was also given at CNN : according to muslim beliefs; after the final war against the infidels, some dead iranian mufti will come back alive and make the whole world muslim.....

This might be the iranian version of end of the world as we know it .....

spidergoat
12-07-05, 12:20 PM
Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that
you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the
end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning;
he will know the end and will not experience death.

Jesus, Gospel of Thomas Vs. 18

Medicine*Woman
12-07-05, 05:10 PM
Good page Cris. I suppose MW would call the scientists who study and look out for this event "sickos". Of course they spent years running their calculations through their computer simulators and taking core samples showing the impact on the earth of earlier impacts.
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M*W: No, I wouldn't waste my time calling the scientists 'sickos.' They get paid to know more about meteorology than I do. Their knowledge or what I may call them has nothing to do with your negativity. Scientists at NASA has been doing research on meteor-busting. My point was why dwell on something so cataclysmic when you can't do anything about it anyway. You can run, but you just can't hide. Well, I take that back... you could pray that it misses you, I guess. As for me, I don't worry about such things. I in no way said it was impossible for such a cataclysm to occur, that is what you misread as you always do.

Other things I don't worry about:

God
Jesus
Sin
Armageddon
Mark of the Beast
Heaven
Hell
Fire
Brimstone
Dying

Things I do worry about:

Waking up tomorrow morning and still be breathing
My grandchildren
My children
My patients
What's for dinner

Adstar
12-07-05, 07:58 PM
. My point was why dwell on something so cataclysmic when you can't do anything about it anyway. You can run, but you just can't hide. Well, I take that back... you could pray that it misses you, I guess.

I do not seek to prevent it. I do not seek to run or hide. what has been prophesised to happen will happen i accept whatever comes.


I in no way said it was impossible for such a cataclysm to occur, that is what you misread as you always do.

In no way did i comment on your belief or otherwise in meteor inpacts. Talk about misreading posts. You read things that have never been stated. I was commenting on your observation that i was a sicko for my interest in meteor impacts an interst held by many in the scientific community. Many of them are interested in it because they want to prevent it. See they care about their Pairents their Childeren and their Grandchilderens and societies future. Just in the same way i am interested in their eternal future. Thats why i am interested in meteor inpacts.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Medicine*Woman
12-07-05, 10:36 PM
I do not seek to prevent it. I do not seek to run or hide. what has been prophesised to happen will happen i accept whatever comes.
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M*W: Interestingly, I accept whatever is out of my personal control, such as a meteor or a terrorist bomb, because I refuse to stop living my life to the fullest while I can.
In no way did i comment on your belief or otherwise in meteor inpacts. Talk about misreading posts. You read things that have never been stated.
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M*W: What does "my belief" have to do with meteor impacts?
I was commenting on your observation that i was a sicko for my interest in meteor impacts an interst held by many in the scientific community.
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M*W: No, you have misunderstood me. (Why am I not surprised?). My "observation" of you being a "sicko" is because you dwell on the negative such as meteors crashing into the Earth causing a major cataclysm where many people will die. I was not saying you were "sicko" because you believed the meteor might strike. I believe this is a possibility, it's just that I don't worry about it. What would be the point of worrying about it? There's nothing I could do to stop it if it did happen. I rest assured that the powers that be (NASA, US government, whomever), have studied it and will do everything within their powers to stop it.
Many of them are interested in it because they want to prevent it. See they care about their Pairents their Childeren and their Grandchilderens and societies future. Just in the same way i am interested in their eternal future. Thats why i am interested in meteor inpacts.
M*W: Well, of course, I would hope that my children, grandchildren, and the human race as a whole, would be able to avoid such a cataclysm. All I'm saying is, leave the 'worrying' to the scientists to figure all this out, and try to enjoy the life you have before anything cataclysmic happens.

There is a lot to be said for the power of positive thinking. Thoughts are 'things.' Thoughts become actions. Actions become deeds. Deeds become realities. Realities become truths.

Negative thoughts are also 'things.' Negative thoughts become actions. Negative actions become negative deeds. Negative deeds become realities. Negative realities become truths.

The ultimate reality is peace in the world, but the world will never attain this ultimate reality when people like you are so negative.

That's what I am saying.

Adstar
12-08-05, 05:11 AM
You’re so illogical MW. As if our negative thoughts can bring about a meteor impact or our positive outlook will somehow put us a force field of some kind to deflect an incoming meteor. You’re so full of pride and hate you cannot bring yourself to admit when you have made such an illogical statement about me. No wonder i avoid commenting on your posts.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Medicine*Woman
12-08-05, 02:55 PM
You’re so illogical MW. As if our negative thoughts can bring about a meteor impact or our positive outlook will somehow put us a force field of some kind to deflect an incoming meteor. You’re so full of pride and hate you cannot bring yourself to admit when you have made such an illogical statement about me. No wonder i avoid commenting on your posts.

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M*W: I am flattered that YOU would think I'm illogical. However, negativity is deadly. If shit's gonna happen, it will happen, but STILL, why must you dwell on the negative? How is that helping humanity? How is that helping even you?

Yes, I understand that xians see me as prideful, but that's their problem, not mine. If you really knew me, which you don't and never will, you would know that I am not a prideful or hateful person... but that's me, not Medicine*Woman. Medicine*Woman speaks her mind on the forum and never bows to the limitations of political correctness nor any religion.

You, on the other hand, need to learn the difference between fantasy and reality.

c7ityi_
12-08-05, 03:03 PM
You, on the other hand, need to learn the difference between fantasy and reality.

mw.... can you tell the difference betwen them for me.

Medicine*Woman
12-08-05, 03:19 PM
mw.... can you tell the difference betwen them for me.
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M*W: No, I cannot tell the difference between fantasies and your reality.

c7ityi_
12-08-05, 03:25 PM
how sad then.... i would have wanted to know.... because.... i think there is no fantasy.... everything is real....

Medicine*Woman
12-08-05, 07:08 PM
how sad then.... i would have wanted to know.... because.... i think there is no fantasy.... everything is real....
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M*W: What's sad about it? You pretend to have so much more esoteric wisdom than everyone else, why can't you figure it out for yourself? I don't know about 'everything' being real. To one's own self one may seem real, but fantasies aren't living beings per se, fantasies are thoughts outside of reality. I believe that is where you reside.

c7ityi_
12-08-05, 09:21 PM
M*W: What's sad about it?

Just because I said it was sad doesn't mean that I think it's sad. Only one listener is important. God.

You pretend to have so much more esoteric wisdom than everyone else, why can't you figure it out for yourself?

If I only pretended, of course I couldn't figure it out. But I was just interrested in your thoughts. Of course I know everything, just as you do, since we're the same.

I don't know about 'everything' being real. To one's own self one may seem real, but fantasies aren't living beings per se, fantasies are thoughts outside of reality. I believe that is where you reside.

Thoughts are not outside reality.

James R
12-08-05, 10:05 PM
Only one listener is important. God.

Didn't you say in another thread that everything is only in your head, and that there's nothing "outside"? If that's true, then God is only in your head, too, and God is you.

c7ityi_
12-09-05, 09:50 AM
Didn't you say in another thread that everything is only in your head, and that there's nothing "outside"? If that's true, then God is only in your head, too, and God is you.

You don't understand. I never meant things exist only in 'my head'. If I thought that, I would be insane. Everything is in THE mind. Indeed, there is no actual outside, only a mental one. There is only mental separation between things. I feel things outside only because I refuse to merge with them, to recognize themselves in me. To accept the outside to be inside is to give up personal existence. It's the role of consciousness to fear nothingness, the cause, goal and the absolute reality. Our real self.

The self is God. My personal self can never be God, only insane people think so. There is only one "self", which is within all people, animals, plants, matter. The self is nothing, where everything comes from.

Before we existed, we created James R and c7ityi_ so that they would help each other to come closer to the goal (infinity) which can never be reached.

Dan-tenerife
01-07-06, 04:52 PM
If it those miss us it will hit another Planet wat will make us change our planet or worse damage it badly u never underestimate the power of anything untill u see it hapen !!! :p

geeser
01-07-06, 05:40 PM
"when will the world end"

tomorrow night at half past six, now hows that for precise.
however if it dont happen tomorrow night, I got my days wrong, it will be the day after tomorrow, ok.

Hapsburg
01-07-06, 06:24 PM
The world's not going to end, but be transformed, and it says in the Bible that no one knows when or ever will know when except for God Himself. Who cares anyway? What difference does it make? Live everyday like it's your last because it just might be, and like it has been said here already, that day will be the end of this world for you.
The Bible is complete and utter tripe. Sure, the OT recorded some events of historical accuracy, such as the Assyrian Invasions and the Hewbrew-Phillestine wars (the Phillestines were infact Myceneans, who did grow to around 7 feet tall, and with those plumed helmets, Goliath would look pretty damn close to 9 feet high, a giant compared to the 5' 4" Bronze Age Israelites)...but when you get right down to it, most of the stuff in Biblical texts defy reality...anthropomorphic incindiary shrubbery...radioactive children...rain that would really snap a battleship in half not do shit to a wooden boat...
Utter BS.

Nope...the earth is going to be destroyed in some five billion years when the sun either goes supernova or goes blackhole.

Medicine*Woman
01-07-06, 09:30 PM
If it those miss us it will hit another Planet wat will make us change our planet or worse damage it badly u never underestimate the power of anything untill u see it hapen !!! :p
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M*W: Could you please repeat that in English?

Bleed
01-07-06, 10:38 PM
The world's not going to end, but be transformed, and it says in the Bible that no one knows when or ever will know when except for God Himself.

The Bible doesn't say it'll be transformed, but that there will be a new heaven and a new Earth.

SnakeLord
01-07-06, 11:22 PM
Who cares anyway? What difference does it make?

I care, and it makes a massive difference. This is the thing with you fundies, you're so eager to get to the next life and world, that you don't pay any attention to this one.

Hapsburg
01-07-06, 11:28 PM
If it those miss us it will hit another Planet wat will make us change our planet or worse damage it badly u never underestimate the power of anything untill u see it hapen !!! :p
You been drinkin', boy? :bugeye:

purple_hairstreak
01-08-06, 08:12 AM
Yes, he does seem inappropriately happy about that, doesn't he?

evolution
01-08-06, 09:45 AM
As there are many different religions and views represented on here, and because I can neither be arsed nor tricked into researching the answer myself, I was wondering when the various texts and tomes predict the world will end and, more interestingly, how?

I presonally am not religious at all and I believe we're all doomed to by wiped out by a bloody big asteroid in 2014. June 2nd to be precise.
Any other bids?

The Flemster.

hello
there are different prophecies in religion like chirstanity, islam and jewdas through these prochecies one can perdict the dooms day. there are such events that are diffiened in islam and chirstainty that has to happened before the end of the world.

regards

Hapsburg
01-08-06, 09:55 AM
chirstainty
:p :D
Hahahahahhaha!! Too true...

Medicine*Woman
01-08-06, 12:54 PM
The Bible doesn't say it'll be transformed, but that there will be a new heaven and a new Earth.
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M*W: "As above, so below."

"... a new heaven and a new Earth," is a reference to the end of the "AGE," or the end of a complete cycle around the sun until a new age begins again. What occurred in the heavens (skies) is reflected on Earth, or at least that's what early humans believed.

Hapsburg
01-08-06, 02:08 PM
The Norse Ragnarok has a higher likelihood of happening than the Christian version of Armageddon.
The world freezes over, and people go nuts and fights each other. Makes sense to me. All that's needed is that damn asteroid to whack us upside the head, and cause an ice-age...

c7ityi_
01-08-06, 02:22 PM
What occurred in the heavens (skies) is reflected on Earth, or at least that's what early humans believed.

Heavens doesn't mean "skies", it means within, in consicousness. The same laws work inside as outside. "there's nothing hidden which will not become manifest"

No Christian thinks that he comes to the "sky" when he dies, he thinks he comes to "heaven".

Early people thought that gods were in heaven, but among the early people there were initiates who knew there were no gods and the god everyone referred to was in our minds (heavens) That is the self.

Quran: "He created Seven heavens ,one above the other, do you see any fault in the work of the Merciful?

Those 7 "heavens" are mentioned in many places and they are levels of consciousness, they're also related to the 7 chakras.

"Ancient and Baladi Egyptians believe that the universal energy matrix consists of nine realms, which are commonly classified as seven heavens (metaphysical realms) and two earths (physical realms)."

The negative and positive. Mirror.

SnakeLord
01-08-06, 03:03 PM
Heavens doesn't mean "skies", it means within, in consicousness. The same laws work inside as outside. "there's nothing hidden which will not become manifest"

No Christian thinks that he comes to the "sky" when he dies, he thinks he comes to "heaven".


From a biblical perspective, "heaven" refers to the big black expanse above our heads. Life part II was not in 'heaven', but in Jersulem part II, on planet earth part II.

Medicine*Woman
01-08-06, 03:09 PM
Heavens doesn't mean "skies", it means within, in consicousness. The same laws work inside as outside. "there's nothing hidden which will not become manifest"

No Christian thinks that he comes to the "sky" when he dies, he thinks he comes to "heaven".

Early people thought that gods were in heaven, but among the early people there were initiates who knew there were no gods and the god everyone referred to was in our minds (heavens) That is the self.

Quran: "He created Seven heavens ,one above the other, do you see any fault in the work of the Merciful?

Those 7 "heavens" are mentioned in many places and they are levels of consciousness, they're also related to the 7 chakras.

"Ancient and Baladi Egyptians believe that the universal energy matrix consists of nine realms, which are commonly classified as seven heavens (metaphysical realms) and two earths (physical realms)."

The negative and positive. Mirror.
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M*W: I doubt ancient humans were quite as enlightened as you think. They believed in the sky gods from reading the stars and constellations. They knew nothing about "universal energy."

c7ityi_
01-08-06, 03:14 PM
M*W: I doubt ancient humans were quite as enlightened as you think.

I don't claim they were just enlightened, they were omniscient. But there were two kinds of people, because of the crossbreeding. Primitive people, and descendants of the highly developed people.

I'm talking about the "sons of God", the giant humans, mentioned in Genesis 6.

They believed in the sky gods from reading the stars and constellations. They knew nothing about "universal energy."

Not your ancient humans, they were much more primitive than we are today, but I'm talking about the initiates among them, but you don't understand what I'm talking about. The only universal energy is magnetism. The ancient inca's knew it. Magnetism makes the sun rotate and shine.