Over the last 30 years, the Democratic Party has been moving more and more towards a Socialist ideology. So when are they going to be more honest with the public and just rename their party to the "Socialist Party" ?

Over the last 30 years, the Democratic Party has been moving more and more towards a Socialist ideology. So when are they going to be more honest with the public and just call rename their party to the "Socialist Party" ?

Or Communist.:shrug:

Or Communist.:shrug:

I don't think I'd go that far.

Over the last 30 years, the Democratic Party has been moving more and more towards a Socialist ideology. So when are they going to be more honest with the public and just call rename their party to the "Socialist Party" ?

If socialism comes through our democratic process, isn't the party still being true to its name?

I don't think I'd go that far.

You might not but I would. :)

You might not but I would. :)

I've heard some class warfare (Marxist) rhetoric from democrats occasionally, but I think that's just a fringe of their party.

Over the last 30 years, the Democratic Party has been moving more and more towards a Socialist ideology. So when are they going to be more honest with the public and just rename their party to the "Socialist Party" ?

first of socialism is probably not a bad idea and second even if they wanted to they couldn't there already is a socialist party

first of socialism is probably not a bad idea and second even if they wanted to they couldn't there already is a socialist party

Perhaps they should merge then, since they're practically synonymous with their ideas. :)

Perhaps they should merge then, since they're practically synonymous with their ideas. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Socialist_Party_of_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Socialist_Party

these are in no way synonymous with there ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Socialist_Party_of_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_USA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Socialist_Party

these are in no way synonymous with there ideas.

From your website on the Socialist Party USA :

"The Socialist Party USA describes itself as a democratic socialist party. It is opposed to both capitalism and authoritarian Communism.[1] The Party's principles and platform call for the elimination of the power of big business through public ownership and workers' control, production for use instead of profit, and the establishment of a classless society. The party is also strongly committed to internationalism and the struggle against racism, sexism, classism, heterosexism, and homophobia.[3] The party calls for the abolition of the death penalty and for the replacement of the prison-industrial system with restorative justice."

That doesn't sound too far off from the Democratic Party these days, does it ?
And don't forget, the Democratic Party's increasing push for socialized medicine.

The Democratic Party is currently to the Right, in its economic ideology, of the Republican Party of the 50s and 60s and 70s.

So maybe the Dems should change their name to the Rightwing Republican Party, to match the traditional implications of the names involved.

And then the Republicans could rename their Party to reflect the traditions of their current ideology, such as their recent calls for a "New World Order" and their various corporate/government alliances, and call themselves the National Socialist Party.

Odd how what was once deceptive labeling takes on the role of truth in advertising. It does seem to be true, the rule of thumb: the name acquires the attributes of the thing, and not vice versa.

communism sucks

communism totally sucks

From your website on the Socialist Party USA :

"The Socialist Party USA describes itself as a democratic socialist party. It is opposed to both capitalism and authoritarian Communism.[1] The Party's principles and platform call for the elimination of the power of big business through public ownership and workers' control, production for use instead of profit, and the establishment of a classless society. The party is also strongly committed to internationalism and the struggle against racism, sexism, classism, heterosexism, and homophobia.[3] The party calls for the abolition of the death penalty and for the replacement of the prison-industrial system with restorative justice."

That doesn't sound too far off from the Democratic Party these days, does it ?
And don't forget, the Democratic Party's increasing push for socialized medicine.

yes and that idea of health care is better the the shit pile we have now

Well
the health care is one of the least things on the US right now
as far as i know

New name ? How about ... The Other Party.

Barney Frank used to call himself a Democratic Socialist. What's wrong with that? They certainly aren't true socialists, since they believe in reducing the power of big business through organizing labor and eliminating corporate political sponsorship. They are not for public ownership, but rather oversight. They do not believe that a classless society is possible or beneficial, but rather that the government's job is to bring as many people to middle class as possible, while not getting rid of the ability for an American to be rich. The Democratic party is more moderate than what a Socialist party would have to be.

I know you're just trying to be insulting and it's lame. More Americans are in favor of Democratic policies when they are asked specifically about the issues.

I know you're just trying to be insulting and it's lame. More Americans are in favor of Democratic policies when they are asked specifically about the issues.


I'm not trying to be insulting, most leftists would find it "refreshing" for the Democratic Party to rename itself with something more in-line with their progressive ideas these days :

-socialized medicine !
-break down the big companies, and bring in the unions !
-have the government control companies !
-tax the hell out of "the rich" and distribute it to the poor !
-more laws for sensitive speech !

I'm not trying to be insulting, Just accurate, of course. We understand. So do you support my nominations for new names, names better reflective of the traditions of the Parties' current ideologies ?

They were:

Dems -> Rightwing Republican Party
Reps -> National Socialist Party

I'm not trying to be insulting, most leftists would find it "refreshing" for the Democratic Party to rename itself with something more in-line with their progressive ideas these days :

-socialized medicine !
-break down the big companies, and bring in the unions !
-have the government control companies !
-tax the hell out of "the rich" and distribute it to the poor !
-more laws for sensitive speech !

um the dems don't want to control companies?

um the dems don't want to control companies?

.....sigh they just want to "regulate" them ;)

I'm not trying to be insulting, most leftists would find it "refreshing" for the Democratic Party to rename itself with something more in-line with their progressive ideas these days :

-socialized medicine !
-break down the big companies, and bring in the unions !
-have the government control companies !
-tax the hell out of "the rich" and distribute it to the poor !
-more laws for sensitive speech !

Let's just see if we can get Democracy, and we'll start from there.

-Even Taiwan has a health care system for it's people that costs less than half what we pay (6% of GDP rather than our 15%).

-It's good to have unions, do you like corporations calling all the shots. Unions are just bringing Democracy into the workplace.

-The government already controls companies. Without regulation, our corporate system wouldn't even exist.

- The rich can afford the taxes to pay the state back for the ability to get rich.

-I have no idea what your talking about with the "sensitive speech" comment. Bush's FCC has been limiting free speech for a while now.

Yes, more unions. That's exactly what America needs. See the auto/airline industry.

Over the last 30 years, the Democratic Party has been moving more and more towards a Socialist ideology. So when are they going to be more honest with the public and just rename their party to the "Socialist Party" ?

Actually, I was thinking they should call themselves the "Alternative Republican Party" or "Neo-Geo-P".

Yes, more unions. That's exactly what America needs. See the auto/airline industry.

These days, it doesn't mean anything, since we allow corporations to seek their labor in nations without unions. Unions alone won't solve anything until we get a broad approach to fixing our problems.

Over the last 30 years, the Democratic Party has been moving more and more towards a Socialist ideology. So when are they going to be more honest with the public and just rename their party to the "Socialist Party" ?

Cazzo on what planet do you reside? Over the course of the last two decades the Democratic party has become more conservative...more fiscally responsible, and more states rights and individual rights than at any time in history, and certianly more conservative than the "conservatism" practiced by the Republican Party.

Under Democratic leadership the Federal budget was balanced for the first time in a century. No Republican leader has ever balanced the federal budget...give me a friggen break.

Republicans really need to know their facts before spouting off empassioned untruths and misrespresentations.

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Actually, I was thinking they should call themselves the "Alternative Republican Party" or "Neo-Geo-P". So you don't like my suggestions either.

I'm beginning to think nobody respects tradition around here.

So you don't like my suggestions either

In truth, sir, I missed it.

I vote for: "Just another special interest group" and the Republican party can be: "Just the other special interest group". It will make things a lot clearer for Americans.

~String

Come on! The democrats are still capitalist they just want a little more government control as they don't trust capitalism to do everything (but do trust it to do most things) like wise republicans are not pure capitalist they do still care about the people.

I love the idea of a perfect socialism, but it's utopianism idea, it will never work (hence the name utopia meaning latin for nowhere), not as long a people are still greedy and selfish. Capitalism channels that greed and selfishness and with the right amount of regulation the people and the cooperations will benefit, the economy will prosper and the mean standard of living will improve. Democrats and Republicans simply disagree on the optimum amount of regulation per economic and social field. Due to demonization of politics the democrats claim republicans are evil cooperate minions and republicans claim democrats are Evil Stalinist, you Cazzo have obviously fallen for the demonization of politics, sad.

I'm not trying to be insulting, most leftists would find it "refreshing" for the Democratic Party to rename itself with something more in-line with their progressive ideas these days :


-socialized medicine !
The corporations ( all but the Insurance Industry) are who is pushing this. They are sick of watching companies in other countries that have more efficient socialized medicine gain an advantage over them. Paying of health care in the USA is expensive.

Normally market competition is more efficient that socialist anything, but this American medical system is not normal market competition. The consumer/ patient is not informed and has not incentive to save the insurance companies money. The doctors sometimes practice to avoid lawsuits rather than to keep costs down. The insurance companies complicate everything with endless game playing. Sometimes the Insurance companies stop the produce/doctor form getting his product to the consumer/patient.

Doctors are over educated. We could use cheap specialists who only paid to understand their specialty. The Universities and professional associations bear part of the blame for making a mess out of the American medical system because they got laws past to make it illegal for people to get cheaper medical care from people who are not over educated for their jobs.

Our system of medical care is such a mess that socialist medicine is more efficient.

Now the Insurance companies have hired Hillary Clinton to make it illegal for you to not buy their massively inefficient product. Hillary is no longer promoting socialist medicine (as maybe she was in 1994), now she is promoting fascist medicine.



-break down the big companies, and bring in the unions !
The Unions get weaker every year. The union power peaked under FDR. Ever since then some Democrats have joined the Republicans in being a majority that attempts to destroy the unions. Republican Teddy Roosevelt is the only president who seriously screwed with corporations. And I support Teddy Roosevelt in that. Price rigging monopolies do not enhance free market competition and they should not be tolerated. The American oil refiners appear to have formed a cartel to manage competition among themselves and rig prices. A profitable refinery near Bakersfield CA was shut down some years back. The blame environmentalists for the lack of refineries but it appears that it may be the refiners themselves who are choosing to not build refineries because they make more money by colluding to limit refining capacity. If the democrats were the enemies of big corporations there would be a congressional investigation of the refiners right now.

-break down the big companies, and bring in the unions !
Your just wrong. The Democrats are are corporate whores just like the republicans are. The Democrats just work a different look. Your just wrong. Limbaugh has rotted your brain.

-have the government control companies !
No it's the companies that control the democrats and the government and the media. Taxpayers are forced to subsidize the politically active companies.


-tax the hell out of "the rich" and distribute it to the poor !
I believe: The rich are taxed less now than they ever were since pre FDR. The poor given less now than they have been since pre LBJ.

expensive.

Normally market competition is more efficient that socialist anything, but this American medical system is not normal market competition. The consumer/ patient is not informed and has not incentive to save the insurance companies money. The doctors sometimes practice to avoid lawsuits rather than to keep costs down. The insurance companies complicate everything with endless game playing. Sometimes the Insurance companies stop the produce/doctor form getting his product to the consumer/patient.

Doctors are over educated. We could use cheap specialists who only paid to understand their specialty. The Universities and professional associations bear part of the blame for making a mess out of the American medical system because they got laws past to make it illegal for people to get cheaper medical care from people who are not over educated for their jobs.

Our system of medical care is such a mess that socialist medicine is more efficient.

Now the Insurance companies have hired Hillary Clinton to make it illegal for you to not buy their massively inefficient product. Hillary is no longer promoting socialist medicine (as maybe she was in 1994), now she is promoting fascist medicine.



-break down the big companies, and bring in the unions !
The Unions get weaker every year. The union power peaked under FDR. Ever since then some Democrats have joined the Republicans in being a majority that attempts to destroy the unions. Republican Teddy Roosevelt is the only president who seriously screwed with corporations. And I support Teddy Roosevelt in that. Price rigging monopolies do not enhance free market competition and they should not be tolerated. The American oil refiners appear to have formed a cartel to manage competition among themselves and rig prices. A profitable refinery near Bakersfield CA was shut down some years back. The blame environmentalists for the lack of refineries but it appears that it may be the refiners themselves who are choosing to not build refineries because they make more money by colluding to limit refining capacity. If the democrats were the enemies of big corporations there would be a congressional investigation of the refiners right now.

-break down the big companies, and bring in the unions !
Your just wrong. The Democrats are are corporate whores just like the republicans are. The Democrats just work a different look. Your just wrong. Limbaugh has rotted your brain.

-have the government control companies !
No, it's the companies that control the Democrats and the government and the media. Taxpayers are forced to subsidize the politically active companies.


more laws for sensitive speech !
The biggest oppressors of free speech and enforcers of political correctness are now and have always been the conservatives. Obama must be punished for being in the same room as a man who says the things that reverend Wright. Conservatives can't handle the truth.

You have been brainwashed. Everything that you are saying is standard propaganda disinformation. And you regurgitate it with enthusiasm.

Think young man. America needs you to start using your brain.

I assume you are a young man.

I vote for: "Just another special interest group" and the Republican party can be: "Just the other special interest group". It will make things a lot clearer for Americans.

~String

I think String's suggestion makes a whole lot of sense.

PS I am backing SpiderGoat for President!

I think String's suggestion makes a whole lot of sense. Undifferentiated cynicism favors the already powerful, and the status quo.

It matters which "special interest" is represented by whom - as the governmental accomplishments of a Party featuring three former oil company executives among its top five official positions illustrates.

So you don't like my suggestions either
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In truth, sir, I missed it. I was advocating naming the Parties for the political positions they hold, using the names traditionally associated with those positions:

Dems: -> Rightwing Republican Party better: Republican Right Party

Reps: -> National Socialist Party.

PS I am backing SpiderGoat for President!

:D But I don't like to answer the phone, much less get up at 3:00 AM.

I think the Democrats are waiting for the GOP to name itself the "Rich White Party" first. (Not that all Republicans are rich or white, just that all Republicans *want* to be rich and white.) :D

I like Clinton's excuse for the sniper exaggeration: not enough sleep! Soooooo that means if she was president woken up at 3am by some major disaster, what she in here self admitted, sleep walking, lieing state going to say and do???

:D But I don't like to answer the phone, much less get up at 3:00 AM.

Maybe you could just forward the 3AM calls to Hillary. She seems to want them :)

I the the Republican Party is better named the Party of the Deluded. Because most of them seem to be ill informed, poorly educated, but very passionate individuals. You seem to have about 10 percent who really know what the party is up to, and the other 90 percent appears to be severly deluded.