You CAN run from the past that you have made you S*** democrats
But you cant HIDE for to long.


Bosnia

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/breadline.html
Here is the briefest explanation of the events:

1) At the end of May 1992 it was announced that the U.N. Security Council would vote whether to impose sanctions on remnants of Yugoslavia (i.e. on the Serbian PEOPLE.)

2) Knowing this, on May 27th, Muslims stage a massacre killing many Serbs in Sarajevo in the bread line. Immediately the event is broadcasted (over and over) across the world.

3) A day before the UN Security Council session, on May 30th, Mr. Boutros Boutros-Ghali writes a report about the curent situation in Bosnia. The report clearly shows that Croats are more guilty than Serbs for the carnage in Bosnia.

4) The report gets stolen by Austrian official working in the U.N.

5) On May 31st, four days after the massacre, sanctions, harsher than any ever imposed on a country, were imposed. The prime victim of the massacre - got to be punished. Despite the fact that the war in Bosnia is a three way civil war Serbian people (and Serbian people only!) got the punishing sanctions.

6) B. B. Ghali report resurfaces ONE HOUR AFTER the voting procedure.

7) A confidential U.N. report talking about the massacre reaches to many European reporters and parts of the US government. The report claims that Muslims staged the event. A few (too few) Western newspapers report the fact. Other Western media outlets (TV stations in particular) keep using the massacre to blame the Serbs.

8) On September 1, 1992 Task force on terrorism & unconventional warfare which has 15 U.S. congressmen as its members gets a government report titled: "Iran's European Springboard?".

From the document it is clear that (at least a portion of) the U.S. government knows the truth about breadline, and other Muslim staged massacres.

THE NET RESULT: Serbs are punished for a gruesome crime committed against Serbian civilians. The entire people, the Serbs, were to endure four years of harshest sanctions ever imposed by the UN. Many die in Belgrade as the basic medicine are lacking... The remnants of the sanctions are still in place as important leverage in breaking the will of the Serbian people.

The most important part of the sanctions is INFORMATION SANCTIONS. No information was to come from the Serbian side. In effect - the fuhrers of the New World Order tied the mouth of the victim they were to rape.

At minimum, the following documents will be presented (right now we will put only brief excerpts:

1) Deposition collected by Serbian Council, Belgrade
Serbian Council is a non-government, non-profit group of Serbian intellectuals residing in Belgrade... The deposition was collected in accordance to the world standards of how these data are gathered.

Also there is a video tape of the Serbian women which gave (and signed the following deposition):

Excerpts from the quote:

... I was also an eyewitness of the Vasa Miskin street massacre. About forty minutes beforehand they (Muslims) forbade passage through this street from the Muslim Slav part of the town, while allowing passage from other parts of the city. They were preparing the ambulance and the TV report truck. I saw this from the window of my apartment, noticing that passage was forbidden from one side of the town. The TV report truck were by the Sarajevo city market, allegedly reporting on the market. The same moment explosion occurred on the street, they began the TV report. For that day, they transported bread and ice cream to that street. I knew some of the people who were hurt in that alleged artillery attack. I heard only the explosion, but not the sound of mortar shells in the flight. Stretchers and ambulances were prepared beforehand, and there were other vehicles parked in front of my house just before the explosion...

END of the excerpt of the quote.


THE TRUTH.But you will TRY TO HIDE the truth in the caves with your best buddie bin laden & saddam.



http://nadir.org/nadir/initiativ/agp/free/chossudovsky/islamicbase.htm

Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base
Congressional Press Release, US Congress, 16 January 1997
Posted at globalresearch.ca 21 September 2001


Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base "'There is no question that the policy of getting arms into Bosnia was of great assistance in allowing the Iranians to dig in and create good relations with the Bosnian government', a senior CIA officer told Congress in a classified deposition. 'And it is a thing we will live to regret because when they blow up some Americans, as they no doubt will before this ... thing is over, it will be in part because the Iranians were able to have the time and contacts to establish themselves well in Bosnia."' "Iran Gave Bosnia Leader $ ["Iran Gave Bosnia Leader $ 500,000, CIA Alleges: Classified Report Says Izetbegovic Has Been 'Co-Opted', Contradicting U.S. Public Assertion of Rift," Los Angeles Times, 12/31/96. Ellipses in original. Alija Izetbegovic is the Muslim president of Bosnia.] "'If you read President Izetbegovk's writings, as I have, there is no doubt that he is an Islamic fundamentalist', said a senior Western diplomat with long experience in the region. 'He is a very nice fundamentalist, but he is still a fundamentalist. This has not changed. His goal is to establish a Muslim state in Bosnia, and the Serbs and Croats understand this better than the rest of us."' ["Bosnian Leader Hails Islam at Election Rallies," New York Times, 9/2/96]




http://www.srpska-mreza.com/index.htm


PROOF OF UN AND Bill Clinton War Crimes AT GOOGLE VIDEOS
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8667827732288497802&q=Bosnia+un
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6263100301566731797&q=Bosnia+un
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5063831162542239321&q=Bosnia+un


Worldwide symphaties for muslims against "bad guys", the Serbs, instrumentalized Western aid for the "victims". Here is one shot of UN personnel aiding bosnian mujahedeen, mainly coming from middle east.


Jewish cemetery
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5488919405702840574&q=Bosnia+jew



BACKFLASH FROM WW2
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/006.shtml




ITN vs Truth "Picture that fooled the world" exposed

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/lm-f97/lm-f97.html
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=12348048107498892&q=ITN+fooled+the+world

you far left fourm may think this is propoganda.












Bosnia.
First time an American administration placed its army under the command of a foreign military leadership - none of the risk of responsibility if it goes wrong, with all the credit if it goes right. Once again showing his political genius outweighing his accountibilities of the duties he swore to uphold.

clinton's war crime's





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Republican talking point #1, blame Clinton. Do you not see the log in your own eye?

THE TRUTH.But you will TRY TO HIDE the truth in the caves with your best buddie bin laden & saddam

Saddam is in a cave now? How did he escape from his jail? Damn!

Republican talking point #1, blame Clinton. Do you not see the log in your own eye?

More jack *** DEMS response :rolleyes:

That's right libs keep on hiding in a cave

The Truth is out and your party is Running sacred to death

I almost lost my brother in that nonsense so called peacekeeping war of yours.

So libs did you see those videos i poseted?

(OH NO ITS FAKE!!)
(THOSE ARE NOT UN PEACEKEEPING FORCE)

I bet that will be your respond to those videos i posted.

Typical projection. Bush has a 35% approval rating, and the Cons are going to lose the house. Expect some desperate tactics, more swiftboating and fearmongering, maybe even an october surprise.

The Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian war was a giant mess by any measure. I don't claim to understand it all, but I think it was a great example of international cooperation and UN forces being used effectively to deal with the crisis.

really did you even see the videos i posted??

bill clinton has many more war crimes.
Not just bosnia.

Typical projection. Bush has a 35% approval rating, and the Cons are going to lose the house. Expect some desperate tactics, more swiftboating and fearmongering, maybe even an october surprise.

The Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian war was a giant mess by any measure. I don't claim to understand it all, but I think it was a great example of international cooperation and UN forces being used effectively to deal with the crisis.



UN is wrong on every world issue
even bosnia and the recent israel war

Kofi should be kicked out of the un!
our great nation should kick UN Butts out of our country!

They can go to french, for all i care.

You mean the guys getting into trucks? I didn't see any evidence of war crimes. If you are talking about material support for Mujahadeen, the US had been doing that for years to oppose the Russians. I also understand that there were massacres on both sides.

They are still war crimes of wrong doings

Bosnia.
First time an American administration placed its army under the command of a foreign military leadership - none of the risk of responsibility if it goes wrong, with all the credit if it goes right. Once again showing his political genius outweighing his accountibilities of the duties he swore to uphold.

If it went wrong, US troops would die. That's a risk. You complain about the UN's ineffectiveness, but to be effective, it needs nations to contribute soldiers. I'm still not sure what you think the war crime was.

Perhaps that we put sanctions on a nation that didn't deserve it? Resulting in deaths from lack of medicine or food? We did the same thing with Iraq and North Korea. I don't see how any nation is obligated to trade with any other.

You know, in order to prosecute anyone for war crimes, especially a US president, we need to cooperate with the International Criminal Court, something Bush firmly opposes. (and Clinton supports)
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/1/1/190108.shtml

"We do so to reaffirm our strong support for international accountability and for bringing to justice perpetrators of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity." Clinton said.

"The United States has a long history of commitment to the principle of accountability, from our involvement in the Nuremberg tribunals that brought Nazi war criminals to justice to our leadership in the effort to establish the International Criminal Tribunals for the Former Yugoslavia and Rwanda."

United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan lauded the U.S. decision.

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There have been fears in the United States that the court could erode national sovereignty. Among its strongest opponents are Helms and Donald Rumsfeld, Bush's choice for secretary of defense.

Iran and Israel also signed on to the treaty Sunday.

lol
Wonderfull FAKE news reports just what the world has orderd.

You deny that Clinton supported the International Criminal Court, while Bush opposes it?

Am I getting too real for you? To far from the political mud slinging? Sorry about that.

From your link:

The Bush Administration has misled the American people. What is the hidden agenda? The largest military operation since the Vietnam War is being launched against Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda network, when the evidence amply confirms that Osama has been "harbored" since the Soviet-Afghan war by agencies of the US government.

Thanks for the ammunition.

Not all enemies of the Bush mafia are democrats. :rolleyes: We Communists hate them too.

REP. HAMILTON: Well, I think the President was confronted with some very tough alternatives here, some tough options. He could, of course, oppose the transfer of these arms from Iran to Bosnia. He did not want to do that because the Serbs were winning the war, and the Bosnians needed the arms. He could have unilaterally lifted the embargo as many in the Congress wanted him to do, but that would have drawn us into the conflict. It would have disrupted NATO, even split NATO apart, and caused the problems the President referred to a moment ago with some of our other diplomatic efforts to, to sanction and to embargo. The third choice the President had was simply to do nothing. I think the proof is in the pudding, so to speak, here. I think that choice--it was a judgment call--turned out to be the right one. After all the military balance, after this judgment was made by the President, began to shift, the military balance improved for the Bosnians. That led to a diplomatic effort by the United States. That led to the Dayton Agreement and peace, so I think the policy results here were pretty good.

Permitting Iran to Arm Bosnia Was Vital, U.S. Envoys Testify
By TIM WEINER
Two United States Ambassadors testified today that the survival of Bosnia's Muslims depended on the Clinton Administration's decision to do nothing to discourage Iranian arms shipments to them in 1994. Peter W. Galbraith, the United States Ambassador to Croatia, and Charles E. Redman, the United States Ambassador to Germany who, in 1994, was a principal negotiator on Bosnia, both told the House International Relations Committee that the Iranian arms, shipped through Croatia to the Bosnian Muslims, helped keep Bosnia from being overrun by Serbian separatists.
[New York Times]

Here, I'll help you out:
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SPECIAL REPORT

of the

SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE
UNITED STATES SENATE

JANUARY 4, 1995 TO OCTOBER 3, 1996

C. Inquiry Into U.S. Actions Regarding Iranian and Other Arms Transfers
to the Bosnian Army (http://www.emergency.com/int03.htm#VII)

On April 5, 1996, the Los Angeles Times reported that
``President Clinton secretly gave a green light to covert
Iranian arms shipments into Bosnia in 1994 despite a United
Nations arms embargo that the United States was pledged to
uphold and the administration's own policy of isolating Tehran
globally as a supporter of terrorism.'' The Committee began an
inquiry into the matter on April 7, 1996.
The Committee held three public hearings, four closed
hearings and six informal sessions on this matter. Testimony
was taken from: DCI John M. Deutch; former DCI R. James
Woolsey; Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott; former
Assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke; the Honorable
Charles E. Redman (U.S. Ambassador to Germany and former
Special Envoy to the Former Yugoslavia); the Honorable Peter W.
Galbraith (U.S. Ambassador to Croatia); three other persons who
served in the U.S. Embassy in Zagreb in 1994-1995; and legal
officials from the Department of State and Department of
Defense. Informal sessions were held with some of the above
persons and with: Dr. William Perry, Secretary of Defense;
General John Shalikashvili, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff; Dr. Anthony S. Harrington, Chairman, President's
Intelligence Oversight Board (IOB). Formal and informal staff
interviews were held with Department of State, Department of
Defense and intelligence personnel, and with the chairman and
staff of the IOB.
The Committee's staff reviewed substantial material
provided by the CIA and the NSA and smaller, but significant,
amounts of material provided by the Department of State and
Department of Defense (including finished intelligence products
of the Defense Intelligence Agency), as well as some National
Security Council (NSC) documents. The Chairman and Vice
Chairman were also briefed by NSC staff personnel on some
documents that the Executive branch refused to show to
Committee staff.
On November 7, 1996, the Committee issued a public report
summarizing its findings and recommendations in this matter.
The report's findings included the following:
The decision to let Croatia transship Iranian and
other arms to the Bosnian Muslims was made by the
President and was implemented largely by Department of
State and NSC personnel. Unusual steps were taken to
keep this action secret, such as refraining from filing
cables on it or from mentioning it at NSC meetings.
These steps kept knowledge of this significant policy
change from other agencies, including the Department of
Defense and the CIA.
Although the executive branch did inform appropriate
committees of intelligence information on the arms
flows, it did not inform Congress of the decision to
let Croatia transship Iranian and other arms to the
Bosnian Muslims. This action left Congress dangerously
ignorant of U.S. policy, even as it debated and voted
on legislation regarding enforcement of the arms
embargo.
CIA officials became attentive to actions that might
constitute an illegal covert action activity, which CIA
personnel feared was under way. CIA's concerns may have
been overwrought, but so are the allegations that CIA
was ``spying on'' Department of State personnel.
Much confusion might have been averted if Deputy
Secretary Talbott or other State Department officials
had adequately explained to DCI Woolsey the new policy
and their intent that Iranian arms be permitted to flow
to Bosnia and Croatia. It would also have helped if
State Department Headquarters had provided clearer
instructions to Ambassador Galbraith.
The decision to let Croatia transship Iranian and
other arms to the Bosnian Muslims achieved its purpose
of affecting the balance of forces in the former
Yugoslavia without prompting European actions that the
United States had feared would breed a wider and
bloodier war. But Iran maintained and probably
increased its influence in Bosnia as a result of its
resumed role as Bosnia's major arms supplier. In
addition, Croatian officials for a time found it hard
to reconcile U.S. support of Iranian arms flows to
Bosnia with continued U.S. support for other United
Nations arms embargoes (such as that against Libya) and
opposition to Iranian support for terrorism.
Ambassador Redman may not have intervened with
Croatian officials to secure release of a Bosnian
convoy in May 1994, contrary to the IOB's conclusion
that he probably did so.
Executive branch personnel in senior overseas
positions did not always understand the law and
regulations governing covert action programs.
Covert action options were prepared by Executive
branch agencies in 1994 and 1995, but no covert action
program for Bosnia was approved by the Executive
branch. CIA consistently opposed undertaking such a
program.
Some Executive branch officials made statements to
Bosnian and/or Croatian officials in the summer and
fall of 1994 that suggested support for increased
covert shipments of arms to the Bosnian Muslims.
The Committee could not determine whether U.S.
officials offered either support in implementing a
larger arms pipeline or a quid pro quo to Croatia for
agreeing to such increased arms shipments. The
Committee found no evidence that the United States ever
provided such support or any quid pro quo to Croatia,
or encouraged any country other than Croatia to provide
arms or military assistance in violation of the arms
embargo.
In early 1995, one U.S. official told a Croatian
official that the United States did not want Croatia to
discontinue a military resupply effort in Bosnia.
In the summer of 1995, U.S. personnel inspected
rockets bound for Bosnia; the Committee could not
determine whether this activity was undertaken for the
purpose of encouraging Croatia to continue the covert
arms shipments.
The Committee could not agree on whether the actions
of U.S. officials constituted covert action under
section 503(e) of the National Security Act of 1947. It
did conclude, however, that the interchange between the
United States Ambassador to Croatia and the President
of Croatia in April 1994 did not constitute traditional
diplomatic activity, at least as that term is
understood by most Americans. The Committee disagreed,
moreover, with the Executive branch view that
diplomatic requests to third parties to conduct covert
action are not covered by the definition of covert
action. It also noted that any encouragement of
promotion of arms shipments to Bosnia could violate
Executive Order 12846, 58 FR 25771 (April 25, 1993) on
sanctions against the former Yugoslavia.
Allegations regarding U.S. military or CIA
involvement in the arms flow or in logistical support
to the Bosnian Army appear to be false.
The Committee found three areas in which
administrative or legislative actions appear to be
required:
Recommendation No. 1: The Executive branch,
especially the White House and the Department of State,
should make a written record of every significant
foreign policy decision, and especially of those
decisions that reflect a change in policy; and it
should ensure that adequate mechanisms are in place to
generate and protect communications that are
particularly sensitive.
Recommendation No. 2: The Executive branch should
keep the Committee ``fully and currently informed'' of
the substantive content of intelligence that is
collected or analyzed by U.S. intelligence agencies.
Recommendation No. 3: The Executive branch should
inform Congress of significant secret changes in U.S.
foreign policy.

The decision to let Croatia transship Iranian and
other arms to the Bosnian Muslims achieved its purpose
of affecting the balance of forces in the former
Yugoslavia without prompting European actions that the
United States had feared would breed a wider and
bloodier war. But Iran maintained and probably
increased its influence in Bosnia as a result of its
resumed role as Bosnia's major arms supplier.
I think this just about sums it up. You may argue that it was a bad decision, or that he failed to adequately inform congress, and I think that's a valid criticism, but does it really rise to the level of a war crime?

Compare that to Bush violating UN resolutions to invade Iraq based on lies, resulting in over 2,600 US troops dead, tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, a new training ground for Al Quida, and a spreading civil war.

god damn spiedergoat! =]

you failed to mention the 300+ billion dollars we could have used for... anything.

want national healthcare? I am pretty sure $300,000,000,000 would cover the transition (and the transition is all we really have to pay for, once we have everyone paying into one plan, the well support the sick)

want to be more energy independent? you could build about a hundred large scale nuclear reactors for that price (probably much more than a hundred, as you only have to design it once, and just build many of them)

want to put a man on mars? $300,000,000,000 would get you there easy. hell, we could build a starbucks on mars for that price.

is there anything about America you think could be improved? I bet $300,000,000,000 could go a long way toward fixing it.

and don't forget, that is just what is appropriated so far, that could go much higher.

**************edit*************
that was a bit off topic, so I made a new thread:
http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1132796#post1132796

Psy-opsDude,

Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base

Sounds like the Iran-Contra Scandal from the Reagan/Bush years. We supplied Iraq with arms and WMDs to help combat Iran and then we go around and arm Iran as well. Not only do we arm them, but we give them arms in exchange for hostages. You wanna talk about no backbone?

How about you also ask your buddy Dick Cheney about why he had offices in Tehran trading with them which was against the law as they were an enemy of ours. All of the above mentioned such as with the arms deals with em were against the law as well. We also used that illegal money we made from the Iran deals to arm rebels in Nicuragua. Gotta love how all the Neocons praise Reagan so much yet he was also a corrupt SOB, lol.

Your argument just goes to show how crooked politicians are in general. It doesn't matter whether they're a democrat or republican, they're both lousy scum. Too bad Al Qaeda failed in crashing into the White House or Capital Hill. We'd be much better off with a fresh new group of leaders instead of all these bitches to lobbyist groups. America is gone. It's ruled by corporations and lobbyist groups. A corporate oligarchy is what we have. The only representative republic we have isn't for the people but for corporations. Fuckin' bastards.

- N

nieldo...im sure it is somehow clinton's fault, seeing as he is the only democrat that has truly embarrassed republicans in the last 40 years.

want national healthcare? I am pretty sure $300,000,000,000 would cover the transition (and the transition is all we really have to pay for, once we have everyone paying into one plan, the well support the sick)

lol.
You have no idea how expensive healthcare is. Bush recently passed a Medicare bill that is so expensive, every single dollar of federal income tax you pay goes straight to his socialized medicine.

That means everything that's not Medicare is currently being borrowed. Everything the fed buys or pays for that is not part of Medicare is on credit.

lol.
You have no idea how expensive healthcare is. Bush recently passed a Medicare bill that is so expensive, every single dollar of federal income tax you pay goes straight to his socialized medicine.

That means everything that's not Medicare is currently being borrowed. Everything the fed buys or pays for that is not part of Medicare is on credit.

Actually, all federal income tax goes to pay interest for past borrowing, the interstate system's upkeep, and some military funding. The part that goes to Medicare is the borrowed stuff. :bugeye:

lol.
You have no idea how expensive healthcare is. Bush recently passed a Medicare bill that is so expensive, every single dollar of federal income tax you pay goes straight to his socialized medicine.
I am not talking about just outright paying for everyones health care. I am talking about a health care system similar to Canada's. where it is insurance for everyone. the problem is making the transition to a system that nobody has paid into. the 300B+ could cover the transition. once the transition is made, the benefits of a program would start to pay for itself.

hmm
i remember documenting a few of clinton's antics here (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=48205&page=3&pp=20)

hmm
hmmm
and just to diss his bitch wife..... Hillary Clinton, War Goddess (http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8428)