Watchdog's alarm over ID cards
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3787971.stm

Claims of fraud over postal ballots
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3792445.stm

Together with claims that the three major parties: Lib dems, Torys and Labour have ignored the electoral commision's advice not to touch ballot papers, taking ballot papers to collection sites on the behalf of constituents in some cases, throwing up even more fears of dodgy happenings. Most are even said that they wont receive their ballot papers on time.

The government also have ignored the electoral commisions other advice that numbered voting should replace the 'x' system as the current double voting system is surrounded by ignorance and most voters do not actually know how it works. Wasting their second vote, most do not know that their second vote will not count if they have voted for the same party twice.

"fast and loose with democracy" - an appropriate quote? Do you think that describes today's government attitude?

This government is also steaming on with plans for the national ID card despite an uproar by the general public, completely ignoring legitimate concerns. They have even decided to ignore a watchdog's opinion that the ID card goes further "It's about the amount, the nature of the information held about every citizen and how that's going to be used in a wide range of activities." and "... the plans were too "open ended" about how the information could be shared between different agencies."

Whats going on?

Weve lost our national identity a little since New Labour. They try to import US politics, Britain is fundamentally European in that aspect.

If we're going to revert to Eatanswill-type elections I want to sell my vote, not have some bastard walk off with it.

New labour. A triumph of hype over substance. Mind you,about a 40% turnout is well up on previous euro elections. Me thinks tony blair and co are in for a shock come sunday night. Protest vote probably, but it does`nt bode well for his referendem vote on the euro.

ID cards? Not a lot of use. Abu hamza - how are they going to get his dabs and iris prints ? :D

It seems to me that the labour party dont care much for what the people think, they are dismissing their losing of 211+ seats in the local English local elections as meaningless protest voting. Its quite funny, they are still steaming on oblivious of whats going on in the real world and what real people think about real issues.

What I cant understand is, why do people vote Tory when they dont vote labour? The tories fucked up the country good and proper as well once, people have very short memories. If they want to protest vote I think it would be better voting alternative parties as apposed to Labour/Torys, they are one and the same party to me. I cant really distinuish between the two, their policies are so similar, they even copy policies exactly on occasion.

I dunno if the tories really fucked it up. Labour claim to have the economy sorted,but most of the groundwork was done by the tories. Yup the tories fucked up big time ,ERM ,interest rates etc. But they did free up the economy, it seems that labour take all the praise. Check out the state of the economy in 97,. It was left to labour in a pretty respectable state. And no, i`m not a tory

Well, the tories did mess up quite abit with the miners, privitisation and the NHS which are big issues which concerned people alot at the time. I agree though, they didnt mess the economy up too badly.
I cant stand labours attitude to if we dont like it then well make it a crime, effectively making a nanny state. Thats something that really annoys me about newlabour. I also hate the thought of having all my biometric data on a government database and having to show my papers when demanded to by the fuzz.

We all know what's going to make us happy don't you? A complete governmental reform. So, have the results been published from yesterday yet?

What I cant understand is, why do people vote Tory when they dont vote labour?

I wasn't gonna vote for either, I wanted either Lib Dems or the Green Party. Older people seem to like Conservatives while the stupid like Labor. The rest just doesn't vote.

If they included a None of the above box i think we'd get voter turn out up a bit :)

heh psycho you know they have that sort of thing in the Russian elections its not none of the above box but against every candidate if it goes to 25% the elections are restarted heh. I like the sound of it "vote against all" I think it got almost 7% on the last elections.

Its a nice idea, i mean it makes sense doesn't it? they complain about voter apathy but what if 30% of voters who don;t turn up do so because they don't want any of the available choices in power?
If the majority of the population don't want any of the choices in power we should be able to put that down officially, i think it would get a high percentage of the votes in the UK at the moment :)

Here is the latest from Britains Labour government:

Straw opposing Saddam execution (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3808865.stm)

"The UK is to strongly urge the new Iraqi authorities not to execute Saddam Hussein if he is found guilty of war crimes, Jack Straw has told MPs. "

But the warmongers in Downing Street didn't care how many thousands of innocent civilians died in their attempt to get this man - now they care for his life - Fucking hypocrites!

And if Saddam is guilty of war crimes then so are Bush and Blair - there was never any reason to attack Iraq.

They say Saddam murdered and threatened his citizens, in Iraq innocent civilians are still getting slaughtered every day and are constantly being threatened by the occupying forces as well as terrorists. Hmmm, yes, alot has changed for Iraq. Bush and Blair are the smartest war criminals out of them all as they have got away with it.

For now: But just wait until they crash the Western economy. How long after that will it be, before someone in the mob shouts "Get 'em!"?

Better stay close to your jets, and keep 'em fueled up, boys.

Have you thought about the figures people?
Labour pulled about 25% of the votes from a 40% turnout.
It let you all figure out just what percentage of the population voted labour.

Fuck it's time for a change.
Anybody wanna set up a new party?
With a bit of planning we might even win!
Dee Cee

They say Saddam murdered and threatened his citizens, in Iraq innocent civilians are still getting slaughtered every day and are constantly being threatened by the occupying forces as well as terrorists. Hmmm, yes, alot has changed for Iraq. Bush and Blair are the smartest war criminals out of them all as they have got away with it.
Ah yes. But before it was a very bad man who was murdering and slaughtering the Iraqi citizens. But now they're being killed by the good guys... so that's different.

When the good guys kill the Iraqi citizens it's called an accident or the casualties of war, etc. :rolleyes: And there lies the difference. Because when a very very bad man kills them, it's murder, slaughter and genocide. That difference is very slight though.. teeny tiny... difficult to spot. I'm still squinting between the lines and trying to spot it myself and I can't yet. But Bush and co keep saying that it's there... shame it cant ever be found.

Have you thought about the figures people?
Labour pulled about 25% of the votes from a 40% turnout.
It let you all figure out just what percentage of the population voted labour.

Fuck it's time for a change.
Anybody wanna set up a new party?
With a bit of planning we might even win!

Dee Cee

I would totally be up for that and Im not joking. Stryder and Thor said something to that effect too.

heh would be interesting to see something like Republican Labor party that forces lower taxes as well as accountability on the govt and makes it more efficient and less wasteful.