What were muslims defending [split from Loud and Clear]

... when they invaded neighbouring conties?

And resistance too was inevitable.

No. I mean when Kasim invaded India. When Mamood of Ghazni invaded India, when Mohammed Ghori invaded India.

 

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Resistance is futile. You must SUBMIT!

 

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If youre talking about the military expansions and not the growth of Islam in the world, then its like asking: what were Christians defending themselves from when they invaded Vietnam? Youve got to make a distinction between military expansion and the growth of religion, people.

 

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Unfortunately in the early days of Islam the 2 were synonymous.

 

So, Muhammad was expanding the military when he conquered other countries, and Islam had nothing to do with it?

 

Which countries did he conquer?

 

The actual question is which countries were conquered in the Name of Islam, Mohammed only conquered a city, but the successors to Mohammed's power conquered countries as far west as the Atlantic Ocean, and as far East as India, to the North Mongolia, to the south the Sub Sahara in Africa, in the name of Allah, Mohammed, and Islam.

Yes, Arsalan, Islam came with the Sword and the Quran.

 

Prove it

 

BR:
1. the tactics of the Arabs were devastating against these 2 powers; the Persians & Byzantines had been fighting so long against each other, that their tactics were fine-tuned against their age-old enemy, no match for different strategies that overwhelmed them
2. according to current research into Islam; there are new theories being proposed by scholars, one is that the Qur'an was not finalized until the 900's, where it was coalesced by the Islamic powers to be different than Judaism & Christianity so that there was a reason to have non-muslims be Dhimmis & pay the jizyah tax
a. one theory is that the initial Qur'an was an Aramaic hymnal brought by Christian monks which morphed into the Qur'an of today; http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99jan/koran3.htm
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/7025?eng=y
b. apparently, the first caliphs did not want dhimmis to convert to Islam, because then there would not be a jizyah tax paid by them yearly; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
c. the fall of the Persian empire & dissecting of the Byzantine territories meant an increase in war booty, that was the apparent reason for their wars of conquest; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
d. slavery was also encouraged from Africa, called Zanjs, leading to a revolt because of mistreatment; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion
slavery from Ireland, Italy, & piracy of ships leading to the Barbary wars with the US; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
e. there was a horde of variant Qur'ans found in Yemen's main mosque in 1972, those findings are now being translated; http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/99jan/koran.htm

A:
3. I think history proves it, the Byzantine & Persian empires were busy pounding each other, when muslims decided to defend themselves against them
as they say in football; the best defense, is a good offense

 

Mohammed bin Qasim was defending the Arab trade routes.

Mahmud Ghaznavi was fighting someone else:

So was Muhammed of Ghor

 

What you have posted is know to me, and it doesn't matter as to the fact that Islam expanded by the sword, Muslims took advantage of situations that made such moves possible.

The end results was the same, conquered territory, rape, pillage, plunder, death, slavery, conversion, or dhimmitude, the suppression of the local culture, and imposition of Islam and Sharia.

Islam even had the diwan a hierarchy of payment from the conquest;

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Youre confusing Islam with Christianity

Yep, when a war ended, the winners usually took and still take part of whats won. For various reasons.

The Muslim empire defended itself against the Persians, and later on against the Europeans. Its no minor detail that a lot of towns and villages joined the Muslims and helped them when these wars took place. To the point that even enemy soldiers joined the Muslim army, without any conversion.

 

I think its because of the designation as Muslim Empire, Muslim army, Muslim invasion, Muslim conquest, etc.

 

Hmm, could be

 

How many "jihadists" did you see in the Gulf war?

 

Thats a western word

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Which is why you and I are arguing here with people we don't know because of people we will never know. If nothing else, TWOT has created a kind of dubious internet ummah Kinda like Salman Rushdies fatwa, its created a lot of interest in the religion, even for Muslims. I don't remember ever devoting so much time and effort to it before that, do you?

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Hehe, not really. Directly after 9/11 we had the quotes form the Quran being misrepresented. Now those arguments have been quashed they are looking for some new ground. They thought they had it with Taqiyya, unfortunately they had never heard of duress in their own law. It gets funnier and sadder

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you forgot the three Nubian christian states and Egypt though your out rage is hollow. Christian Europe destroyed far more culture than Islam did and at a latter date 2.

 

Really? and did you notice that I also said that;

Yes, I could go on, but you will ignore the facts, and the history.

Yes, tell SAM about the Christian Nubian States in Somalia and Egypt, for all the good it will do.