Hello.

My girlfriend (18) is being bullied, snapped at at school by this girl in her class, for being too enthousiastic in class (answering everything etc.). It's a shame since I was happy to see her so enthousiastic this new schoolyear and happy with her school and all and now because of one bitch she's all depressed wishing school was over as fast as possible. Moreover, my girlfriend is an easy target as she's incredibly insecure and very sensible to bullying...

I wish I could talk some motivation into her (I can), but what does one do against this bullying? =(

Any ideas are greatly appreciated. =)
Treval

Hello.

My girlfriend (18) is being bullied, snapped at at school by this girl in her class, for being too enthousiastic in class (answering everything etc.). It's a shame since I was happy to see her so enthousiastic this new schoolyear and happy with her school and all and now because of one bitch she's all depressed wishing school was over as fast as possible. Moreover, my girlfriend is an easy target as she's incredibly insecure and very sensible to bullying...

I wish I could talk some motivation into her (I can), but what does one do against this bullying? =(

Any ideas are greatly appreciated. =)
Treval

Sounds like your gf is getting a dose of the real world, this type of thing happens in the work situation just the same. There are lazy people who think you make them look bad by doing a good job. I had this type of 'critisism' many times, I just laughed and pissed all over them till I was their boss then I pissed on them some more. Tell your gf to grow some balls.

Unless the bullying (though I wouldn't call one bitchy comment that) is physical then she needs to learn how to deal with it. How to respond, how to shut them up.

She can retaliate by saying politely 'green does not suit you' and smile and carry on as normal.

Alternatively your gf may be dominating the lesson and others do not get a chance to contribute in which case she needs to identify if she is doing this and reduce it slightly to allow others a chance.

ORRRRRRRR

'Sensitive' people rarely reply enthusiastically in class, maybe something else is bothering her.

Is she pregnant?

Sticks and stones....

Bullies only attack you if you seem socially weak and vunerable. I think your gf should get her self steem fired up and hit back using psychological warfare.
hey thats what i used to do when i got beat up in school, I fought back, well for girls i guess it might work too!

as an ex-bully myself (and i am very ashamed of it) i can only say that there is not much she can do, the old myth of standing up to a bully because they are cowards is false. there was nothing more than and my friends liked more than beating down some one who tried to stand up for themselves by attempting to stand up for themselves. if you know that there parents are decent people maybe it would be an idea talking to them. thats what ended up happening to me, they grounded me and took away all of my prized possesions untill i stopped

as an ex-bully myself (and i am very ashamed of it) i can only say that there is not much she can do, the old myth of standing up to a bully because they are cowards is false. there was nothing more than and my friends liked more than beating down some one who tried to stand up for themselves by attempting to stand up for themselves. if you know that there parents are decent people maybe it would be an idea talking to them. thats what ended up happening to me, they grounded me and took away all of my prized possesions untill i stopped

not my experience of bullies, they all ran when confronted, only the weak attack weaker, thats a fact. Unless you bullied people bigger and stronger than you? Nah didn't think so. You also mention, you and your friends, safety in numbers eh? 5 against 1, good odds. Till you're on your own and they are with their mates then the odds kind of change.

Never give into a bully.

BUT as I said, one bitchy comment does not a bully make.

not my experience of bullies, they all ran when confronted, only the weak attack weaker, thats a fact. Unless you bullied people bigger and stronger than you? Nah didn't think so. You also mention, you and your friends, safety in numbers eh? 5 against 1, good odds. Till you're on your own and they are with their mates then the odds kind of change.

Never give into a bully.

BUT as I said, one bitchy comment does not a bully make.
some were bigger but they didnt have the self-confidence to do anything

some were bigger but they didnt have the self-confidence to do anything

you are only 16, so there is a lot of time for the following to occurr

one day one of those guys will be with his mates, he'll have taken up a martial art and worked out and he's gonna kick your ass, u know that don't you? The bullied NEVER forget and thrive on the dream of an eventual pay back...no matter how much time passes. One day............

When I went to school and boys tried to bully me, I beat up the bastards! That stopped them.

kill 'em all

The "hit them back" theory doesn't rely on the bully running away (the theory that every bully is a coward deep down is moronic), but works on the principle that if they have to worry about you retaliating every time they try to mess with you it's simply not worth their trouble....so even if you get your ass kicked, if you just hit them back once, chances are they'll stop. If they try it again, hit them back, and even if you get your ass kicked again, they'll probably consider it not worth the effort since you're no longer an easy target.

I don't have any experience with bullies though.....

The "hit them back" theory doesn't rely on the bully running away (the theory that every bully is a coward deep down is moronic), but works on the principle that if they have to worry about you retaliating every time they try to mess with you it's simply not worth their trouble....so even if you get your ass kicked, if you just hit them back once, chances are they'll stop. If they try it again, hit them back, and even if you get your ass kicked again, they'll probably consider it not worth the effort since you're no longer an easy target.

I don't have any experience with bullies though.....

so your anti theory is worth shit then

Which is still far more than your "all bullies are cowards" theory is worth.

Which is still far more than your "all bullies are cowards" theory is worth.

I speak from experience you speak from.............what exactly?

Not being pathetic enough to get bullied in the first place perhaps?

Hello.

My girlfriend (18) is being bullied, snapped at at school by this girl in her class, for being too enthousiastic in class (answering everything etc.). It's a shame since I was happy to see her so enthousiastic this new schoolyear and happy with her school and all and now because of one bitch she's all depressed wishing school was over as fast as possible. Moreover, my girlfriend is an easy target as she's incredibly insecure and very sensible to bullying...

I wish I could talk some motivation into her (I can), but what does one do against this bullying? =(

Any ideas are greatly appreciated. =)
Treval


You do some research on the bully, you scan the entity for weaknesses, and then you attack it in such a way that it cannot attack back or even know you attacked it.

Find out where the bully works and send an embarrassnig letter. Organize a group or network of people to fight the bully in such a way that the bully has no defense. Use your superior mind. Whatever you do, don't fight by it's rules, fight by your rules.

Buy the art of war by sun tzu, and make your girlfriend read it.

Not being pathetic enough to get bullied in the first place perhaps?

Oh please, be realistic. There is not a person alive who has never been bullied. You have a boss too.

Your comment is not helpful. I'm guessing you are going to take the side of bullies on this arguement and I'm not surprised since when we look at all your previous posts thats clearly the side you like to take in every debate.

Not being pathetic enough to get bullied in the first place perhaps?

They didn't attempt to bully me more than once though.

Like I said, cowardly wimps, they mistook my size for evidence of 'pathetic'. Their mistake.

I wish I could talk some motivation into her (I can), but what does one do against this bullying? =(

She either stands her ground or she doesn't. She either allows herself to feel intimidated or puts a stop to it herself.

There's nothing y'can do. It's not your fight. Sweet though it may be to give a monkey's, this sort of thing is simply something the individual has to sort out themselves. She will.

No matter how big a guy might be, Nicky would take him on. You beat Nicky with fists, he comes back with a bat. You beat him with a knife, he comes back with a gun. And you beat him with a gun, you better kill him, because he'll keep comin' back and back until one of you is dead.

Is your girlfriend's school aware that she's being bullied?
If not, why not?
If yes, what are they doing about it?

Maybe you should tell your girlfriend not to be such a know-it-all. No-one likes a know-it-all. If I was in her class I'd tell her not to be such a suck-up and put itching powder down her top.

The "hit them back" theory doesn't rely on the bully running away (the theory that every bully is a coward deep down is moronic), but works on the principle that if they have to worry about you retaliating every time they try to mess with you it's simply not worth their trouble....so even if you get your ass kicked, if you just hit them back once, chances are they'll stop. If they try it again, hit them back, and even if you get your ass kicked again, they'll probably consider it not worth the effort since you're no longer an easy target.

I don't have any experience with bullies though.....


You don't have any experience, so shut up.

I have experience with bullies. Everyone, bullies included, are in a pyramid. Each of us has a boss, or someone we take orders from. Each of us is dependent on somenoe else. If you are bullied by someone at work, you take it over their head, and you handle it in a way which they cannot retaliate.

If you are being bullied at school, and you are in college, you have plenty of legal tools, you also have plenty of social tools. Every bully is vulnerable, every bully has friends, family, a job, professors or someone that is in a position to bully them, and bullies arent liked. Sometimes simply telling a powerful anti-bully person that someone is a bully is enough to take the bully out.

Bullies are usually highly disliked, simply find powerful, influential, politically oriented people who clearly outrank the bully, and do favors for the benevolent powers. In return they will do a favor for you, and your problem will be solved.

If a bully takes the fight into the physical dimension, it's assault. If the bully takes the fight into the political dimension, they will lose because the political dimension is about favors not bullying. If the take the fight into the legal dimension, and you have more money, you'll win. Bullies are easy to fight as long as you develop the intellectual tools to do so, laws, politics, blackmail, social engineering, whatever it takes, but use your mind to beat a bully, not your body.

You don't have any experience, so shut up.

I have experience with bullies. Everyone, bullies included, are in a pyramid. Each of us has a boss, or someone we take orders from. Each of us is dependent on somenoe else. If you are bullied by someone at work, you take it over their head, and you handle it in a way which they cannot retaliate.

If you are being bullied at school, and you are in college, you have plenty of legal tools, you also have plenty of social tools. Every bully is vulnerable, every bully has friends, family, a job, professors or someone that is in a position to bully them, and bullies arent liked. Sometimes simply telling a powerful anti-bully person that someone is a bully is enough to take the bully out.

Bullies are usually highly disliked, simply find powerful, influential, politically oriented people who clearly outrank the bully, and do favors for the benevolent powers. In return they will do a favor for you, and your problem will be solved.

If a bully takes the fight into the physical dimension, it's assault. If the bully takes the fight into the political dimension, they will lose because the political dimension is about favors not bullying. If the take the fight into the legal dimension, and you have more money, you'll win. Bullies are easy to fight as long as you develop the intellectual tools to do so, laws, politics, blackmail, social engineering, whatever it takes, but use your mind to beat a bully, not your body.


:).

Is your girlfriend's school aware that she's being bullied?
If not, why not?
If yes, what are they doing about it?

Maybe you should tell your girlfriend not to be such a know-it-all. No-one likes a know-it-all. If I was in her class I'd tell her not to be such a suck-up and put itching powder down her top.

That's passive. I would never tell her to change, I would attack the bully. No one likes a bully. Do your research, learn everything you can.

http://www.bullyonline.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

I'm just pointing out that it would probably be quite reasonable to bully her because she sounds like a bit of a suck-up. :confused:

Maybe your advice was better.

That's passive. I would never tell her to change, I would attack the bully. No one likes a bully. Do your research, learn everything you can.

http://www.bullyonline.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

I found the acting like a 'psychopath' a good and effective bully deterrant, also seemed to come naturally :eek:

There is really not much she can do because she doesnnt have the problem, they do.

Tell her to participate as much as everyone else and not overdo it because she's making the other one's look bad (in a way) and it really isnt accomplishing much. Grade's are based mostly on actual work you do anyway.

The best thing is to try and fit in while being true to yourself and in a short time none of this will matter anyway. Bullying is mostly a reflection of the bullies insecurity and often their just jealous.

Believe me this does not go past HS and many bullies end up not amounting to much. :), in many cases anyway.

There is really not much she can do because she doesnnt have the problem, they do.

Tell her to participate as much as everyone else and not overdo it because she's making the other one's look bad (in a way) and it really isnt accomplishing much. Grade's are based mostly on actual work you do anyway.

The best thing is to try and fit in while being true to yourself and in a short time none of this will matter anyway. Bullying is mostly a reflection of the bullies insecurity and often their just jealous.

Believe me this does not go past HS and many bullies end up not amounting to much. :), in many cases anyway.

crap advice, this situation will arise again at work so 'fitting in' and 'complying' is handing yourself to the bully on a plate. Fuck them and be your own persona, they don't like it, tough shit, it makes them look bad well they need to get their lazy asses up and do some work so they also look good. Be their reason to improve, don't let them be your reason to deteriorate.

Bullies only attack you if you seem socially weak and vunerable. I think your gf should get her self steem fired up and hit back using psychological warfare.
hey thats what i used to do when i got beat up in school, I fought back, well for girls i guess it might work too!

I totally recommend this- definitely works (for girls too, I mean).

You don't have any experience, so shut up.

I have experience with bullies. Everyone, bullies included, are in a pyramid. Each of us has a boss, or someone we take orders from. Each of us is dependent on somenoe else. If you are bullied by someone at work, you take it over their head, and you handle it in a way which they cannot retaliate.

If you are being bullied at school, and you are in college, you have plenty of legal tools, you also have plenty of social tools. Every bully is vulnerable, every bully has friends, family, a job, professors or someone that is in a position to bully them, and bullies arent liked. Sometimes simply telling a powerful anti-bully person that someone is a bully is enough to take the bully out.

Bullies are usually highly disliked, simply find powerful, influential, politically oriented people who clearly outrank the bully, and do favors for the benevolent powers. In return they will do a favor for you, and your problem will be solved.

If a bully takes the fight into the physical dimension, it's assault. If the bully takes the fight into the political dimension, they will lose because the political dimension is about favors not bullying. If the take the fight into the legal dimension, and you have more money, you'll win. Bullies are easy to fight as long as you develop the intellectual tools to do so, laws, politics, blackmail, social engineering, whatever it takes, but use your mind to beat a bully, not your body.

....and you have proven time and time again, in the relatively short amount of time that you have been posting here that you never have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about. So far you have claimed that both Arabs and Egyptians are negroids and multitude of other stupid crap.

No one is forcing the original poster to take my advice. If you don't like my advice, why don't you go cry about it in a corner faggot? Or do I have to bully you into shutting up? I would put a winking face here but I don't like you enough.

I was bullied almost every single day throughout Junior High & High School. The sad fact is that once they stopped I was more alone then when it had started. If you let people bully you it's actually just ignoring that they're causing you pain, that kind of response won't get you anywhere. I wonder often if I'd begun crying or showing they hurt me just whether or not they'd stop.

Take this fellow Dan Karzina (may be wrong spelling). He an I use to be arch enemies, he even got others to follow his lead.

Once I was choked outside the gym locker by some guy named Shawn, can't recall his last name.

So in all honesty what we have here is simple, if I stood up to them or told them to stop hurting me because I'm trying to be nice an just make friends, well.. I suspect they'd have. By not arguing or confronting them personally things become impersonal.

If you make it personal so will they, an then they'll begin listening.

I found the acting like a 'psychopath' a good and effective bully deterrant, also seemed to come naturally :eek:

Everyone is capable of acting like a psychopath when in danger, or when under enough stress.

The difference is psychopaths are like that all the time, to everyone.

....and you have proven time and time again, in the relatively short amount of time that you have been posting here that you never have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about. So far you have claimed that both Arabs and Egyptians are negroids and multitude of other stupid crap.

No one is forcing the original poster to take my advice. If you don't like my advice, why don't you go cry about it in a corner faggot? Or do I have to bully you into shutting up? I would put a winking face here but I don't like you enough.

You are providing the audience with a classic example of bullying. You even called me a faggot, as if I'm supposed to be homophobic.

As the audience see's, a bully will always attempt to label you. By calling you a faggot, a cracker, a nigger, or whatever label, it's simply the bully labeling mechanism to allow them to win a debate through name calling.

Who harms you more, the bully, or the faggot?

As far as all the other stuff, thats from a completely seperate debate in a seperate thread. You can keep your opinions Mr. Bully, they are yours, and if you want the world to agree with your opinions that Arabs arent black you'll have to prove it through a genetic test, because they have dark skin and African features more than they have and caucasian features.

Bullying tactics such as name calling, do not change public opinion in your favor, it actually turns people against whatever you are saying. It lowers the debate to the level of Jerry Springer, or pro wrestling.

I was bullied almost every single day throughout Junior High & High School. The sad fact is that once they stopped I was more alone then when it had started. If you let people bully you it's actually just ignoring that they're causing you pain, that kind of response won't get you anywhere. I wonder often if I'd begun crying or showing they hurt me just whether or not they'd stop.

Take this fellow Dan Karzina (may be wrong spelling). He an I use to be arch enemies, he even got others to follow his lead.

Once I was choked outside the gym locker by some guy named Shawn, can't recall his last name.

So in all honesty what we have here is simple, if I stood up to them or told them to stop hurting me because I'm trying to be nice an just make friends, well.. I suspect they'd have. By not arguing or confronting them personally things become impersonal.

If you make it personal so will they, an then they'll begin listening.


If you cry, the bully will label you a "bitch", or a "faggot". If you are bullied, yes you can make friends with some of them, that acutally does work, as not all bullies are psychopaths, and some bullies do have compassion and might even defend you. Finally, you could just buy defense, by doing favors, or by treating the bully in a respectful way, but this only works with certain kinds of bullies, and usually the type of bullies that arent really sadists and are just big and immature. A sadist actually likes to see you in pain and will only beat on you harder, so your option for some bullies is to simply fight back, for some bullies a good offense is your defense.

crap advice, this situation will arise again at work so 'fitting in' and 'complying' is handing yourself to the bully on a plate. Fuck them and be your own persona, they don't like it, tough shit, it makes them look bad well they need to get their lazy asses up and do some work so they also look good. Be their reason to improve, don't let them be your reason to deteriorate.


Think about it, this kid is being a brown noser. I cant see it making much of a difference how many times she got up in class, if you know the answers you know them. Doesn't seem likely she is going to win by being assertive...unless she's really looking to get punched in the nose. :)

My girlfriend (18) is being bullied, snapped at at school by this girl in her class, for being too enthousiastic in class (answering everything etc.).

Think about it, this kid is being a brown noser. I cant see it making much of a difference how many times she got up in class, if you know the answers you know them. Doesn't seem likely she is going to win by being assertive...unless she's really looking to get punched in the nose. :)

Do you realize you are calling this person a "brown noser". Do you notice that through your words you are suggesting she should be punched in the nose?

What would you suggest she do? Bow to the might of the bully?

Brown noser=teachers pet...SEE ;)

Everyone knows in HS you have to fit in somehow or get abused and live with it.

You are providing the audience with a classic example of bullying. You even called me a faggot, as if I'm supposed to be homophobic.

LOL. Obviously that one went way over your head.

Brown noser=teachers pet...SEE ;)

Everyone knows in HS you have to fit in somehow or get abused and live with it.

That is not true at all. In my experience, there were two types of bullies, the big kid who wasnt so smart, who would physically beat you up, and the kid who has the rich powerful father who bends the teachers to his will and pays people to beat you up or give you a bad grade. Usually, the person, the political bully, who has a lot of friends, and a lot of influence, are the most difficult bully type to deal with because they have entire gangs behind them.


Either way, I don't think fitting in really works all the time. This is saying "well, if you can't beat them, join them."

1. shes 18, why is she still at school? did she get held back a few years?
2. if she wants to stop it, then she can either learn to fight, or simply place assault charges.

....and you have proven time and time again, in the relatively short amount of time that you have been posting here that you never have the slightest fucking clue what you're talking about. So far you have claimed that both Arabs and Egyptians are negroids and multitude of other stupid crap.

No one is forcing the original poster to take my advice. If you don't like my advice, why don't you go cry about it in a corner faggot? Or do I have to bully you into shutting up? I would put a winking face here but I don't like you enough.


look at the weak making an 'attack' as he realises that TT is more intelligent than he............I can hear the tears rolling down schleebens chubby cheeks.

Everyone is capable of acting like a psychopath when in danger, or when under enough stress.

The difference is psychopaths are like that all the time, to everyone.

agreed, I guess the trick is to out psyhco them ;)

as an ex-bully myself (and i am very ashamed of it) i can only say that there is not much she can do, the old myth of standing up to a bully because they are cowards is false.

That is bullshit. I've faced down bullies and and beat them until they cried. You have to get them on their own of course, but revenge is a dish best served cold, and patience is rewarded. One guy I corrected ended up crying so hard his older sister came to 'sort me out'. I didn't admit to having smacked her brother around, but pointed out that all he had was a taste of his own medicine, and _if_ I was the guy that had done it, was she wise riling me?

Bullies are cowards. Of course you won't want to admit that now, but you were a coward.

That is bullshit. I've faced down bullies and and beat them until they cried. You have to get them on their own of course, but revenge is a dish best served cold, and patience is rewarded. One guy I corrected ended up crying so hard his older sister came to 'sort me out'. I didn't admit to having smacked her brother around, but pointed out that all he had was a taste of his own medicine, and _if_ I was the guy that had done it, was she wise riling me?

Bullies are cowards. Of course you won't want to admit that now, but you were a coward.
a.) i will admit i was a coward
b.) i got into plenty of fights by myself and nearly all the time i won as i take boxing training and dabble in ju jitsu

That is bullshit. I've faced down bullies and and beat them until they cried. You have to get them on their own of course, but revenge is a dish best served cold, and patience is rewarded. One guy I corrected ended up crying so hard his older sister came to 'sort me out'. I didn't admit to having smacked her brother around, but pointed out that all he had was a taste of his own medicine, and _if_ I was the guy that had done it, was she wise riling me?

Bullies are cowards. Of course you won't want to admit that now, but you were a coward.


Actually you make a good point, if a bully wasnt a coward why isnt the bully taking on other bullies? Why don't bullies go after the toughest kid in school? Why always pick on the weakest and smallest?

look at the weak making an 'attack' as he realises that TT is more intelligent than he............I can hear the tears rolling down schleebens chubby cheeks.

What the fuck? Well, there's another head it clearly zoomed over at high speed.

I notice that poor Treval has not checked back in since his original post. I wonder how much of this is useful.

I'd like to know what kind of bullying this actually is. Girls are less likely to be physically violent than boys, because at that age their verbal and social skills are far more advanced than ours. I'd also like to know a little more about what the girlfriend is doing that the other girls are reacting to. If it's just "being smart," well that can be perceived as aggressiveness, trying to become the teacher's favorite. Showing off to the one person in her life who appreciates her intelligence, and not caring what the other girls think until they get so mean that she can't help notice.

Smart girls have the same problem that smart boys do: They find it so easy to build up their intellectual skills, and they find that adults appreciate that so much, that they don't pay any attention to their social skills, something adults may not even notice. I know we all make fun of schools for trying to teach kids to "get along" instead of math and reading, but a little bit of it is not entirely inappropriate.

She may very well be developing a personality and an attitude that will be just as unpopular in adulthood. Treval, you don't see that side of her because you have a special relationship and you see parts of each other that no one else sees. Do you have any good friends who see her when you're not around, who can give you a different point of view on these situations? It might be very illuminating.

It looks like most of the people giving advice here are men, and we have to remember the Venus/Mars thing. Women don't bother each other the same way men do, and they don't solve their problems the same way men do. Most women are not as motivated to be strong alphas as we are. They like to cooperate, to fit in, to build a community. Yeah they have their own ways of sniping at each other, but they're nothing like our ways. We don't usually even notice them.

The girlfriend probably needs some advice on how to stop antagonizing the other girls, how to get along. I don't think she's going to get that from a bunch of guys.

It looks like most of the people giving advice here are men, and we have to remember the Venus/Mars thing. Women don't bother each other the same way men do, and they don't solve their problems the same way men do. Most women are not as motivated to be strong alphas as we are. They like to cooperate, to fit in, to build a community. Yeah they have their own ways of sniping at each other, but they're nothing like our ways. We don't usually even notice them.

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Sorry Fraggle but this is so wrong, women can be evil heartless bitches and bullying in form of bitching and gossipping is very common amongst the lower denominators. It is their only means of defence, they feel under threat by intelligence so they attack it. They feel under threat by good looks, so they attack those. they feel under threat by a womans financial independance so they attcak that, and so on and so forth. Most green eyes monsters are surely female?

That is bullshit. I've faced down bullies and and beat them until they cried. You have to get them on their own of course, but revenge is a dish best served cold, and patience is rewarded. One guy I corrected ended up crying so hard his older sister came to 'sort me out'. I didn't admit to having smacked her brother around, but pointed out that all he had was a taste of his own medicine, and _if_ I was the guy that had done it, was she wise riling me?

Bullies are cowards. Of course you won't want to admit that now, but you were a coward.
I think this is the right approach. You just have to make sure that you will win. I suggest martial arts, or sneaking up on them and whacking them with a chair. I don't know if they are really cowards, but you have to call their bluff right away, or they get encouraged.

It wasn't mine, I just acted so weird that it would not increase a person's status or ego to mess with me. Maybe they were scared at what I might do. Also, I started to be good at art, and even the bullies admired it.

theoryofrelativity:

crap advice, this situation will arise again at work so 'fitting in' and 'complying' is handing yourself to the bully on a plate. Fuck them and be your own persona, they don't like it, tough shit, it makes them look bad well they need to get their lazy asses up and do some work so they also look good. Be their reason to improve, don't let them be your reason to deteriorate.

Well said! This girl shouldn't have to conform to the ideals of a bunch of bitches.
To be honest, if I was her boyfriend, I would have a nice little 'chat' with the people giving this girl a hard time. I'd do so if it was a bunch of guys who was giving her a hard time. I don't see why a bunch of girls is any different.

As to how to deal with it, I whole-heartedly agree that you need to strike back against bullies, and demonstrate that you aren't a weak target. The moment you demonstrate that the act of bullying you will cost them something, they will stop. It's a common fact of life (and only varies in extreme cases, where a bully has some sort of powerful personal grudges against you. This is very rare).

How to strike back in this case is a little difficult to decide. If the bullying is indeed physical, then I would strongly recommend fighting back and beating the bully to pulp. However, since this is verbal bullying, I'm not sure. Although I think that constant verbal bullying is justified with an ass whooping, it will look terrible to any spectating administrator. "She responded to words with physical force. How barbaric!"

Perhaps the best idea is to just retort with your own insults, and stand up to these girls verbally. Hopefully goad them into attempting to take a swing at you. And then beating the shit out of them in self-defense.

spidergoat:

I think this is the right approach. You just have to make sure that you will win.

No, not necessarily. All you have to do is make sure that you hurt the bully. If he realizes that bullying you will cost him something (the right not to feel pain), then he will not do so.

Quite simply, all you need to do is give the bully a blood nose.


I suggest martial arts, or sneaking up on them and whacking them with a chair. I don't know if they are really cowards, but you have to call their bluff right away, or they get encouraged.

Martial arts is inpractical. I'd just suggest that you surprise them by getting the first hit. And don't stop kicking them when they are on the ground until the beg for you to stop.

The victim of bullying is just as stupid as the bully themselves. They have let themselves become bothered about the social ladder.

Theres no possible way I could become a victim anymore since I don't really give a fuck if people don't deem me fit to be included into the mainstream. Sometimes I even enjoy not being part of the mainstream, offering a dig or two here and there. But of course, I'm 24 now... :D

mountainhare,
Jesus dude, I'm not gonna fight with you, that's for sure... ;)

Maybe she should just stop being a suckup.

I notice that poor Treval has not checked back in since his original post. I wonder how much of this is useful.

I'd like to know what kind of bullying this actually is. Girls are less likely to be physically violent than boys, because at that age their verbal and social skills are far more advanced than ours. I'd also like to know a little more about what the girlfriend is doing that the other girls are reacting to. If it's just "being smart," well that can be perceived as aggressiveness, trying to become the teacher's favorite. Showing off to the one person in her life who appreciates her intelligence, and not caring what the other girls think until they get so mean that she can't help notice.

Smart girls have the same problem that smart boys do: They find it so easy to build up their intellectual skills, and they find that adults appreciate that so much, that they don't pay any attention to their social skills, something adults may not even notice. I know we all make fun of schools for trying to teach kids to "get along" instead of math and reading, but a little bit of it is not entirely inappropriate.

She may very well be developing a personality and an attitude that will be just as unpopular in adulthood. Treval, you don't see that side of her because you have a special relationship and you see parts of each other that no one else sees. Do you have any good friends who see her when you're not around, who can give you a different point of view on these situations? It might be very illuminating.

It looks like most of the people giving advice here are men, and we have to remember the Venus/Mars thing. Women don't bother each other the same way men do, and they don't solve their problems the same way men do. Most women are not as motivated to be strong alphas as we are. They like to cooperate, to fit in, to build a community. Yeah they have their own ways of sniping at each other, but they're nothing like our ways. We don't usually even notice them.

The girlfriend probably needs some advice on how to stop antagonizing the other girls, how to get along. I don't think she's going to get that from a bunch of guys.

I disagree with your hypothesis. I think girls are just as violent as boys, they just use stealth bullying.

You are correct about one thing, intellectual skills do seem to influence social skills. I admit I'm not socially talented, but this is because I never enjoyed socializing.

Social skills come when they come, for some they come later, but they still come, as you cannot avoid socializing. As far as bullying, the worst kinds of bullying arent the physical kinds, the worst kinds are the emotional, psychological, and financial kinds. The intellectuals usually become the bullies later in life once they begin to see how much power they have, but in highschool it's the opposite, the intellectuals are bullied physically.

Let us hope that intellectuals who were bullied, decide not to become what they once hated. If intellectuals want to use their mind power, it's best to figure out how to give tools to other intellectuals to deal with physical bullies, such as laws, money, or whatever else, but the intellectuals are actually at the top of the pyramid in the end, ask Bill Gates.

The physical bullying is how they puncture a person's mental shields. When the victim does everything he or she can to shut out the bully's whispered taunts and do his work, the bully can stick a pencil in him and get him to scream. Then the teacher who is a collaborator throws the victim out in the hallway, denying him the education he is entitled to, getting him in even more trouble with the principal, and humiliating him in front of the class.

Screw anyone who disagrees with this assessment. A ten-year-old child cannot be expected by any reasonable person to be able to keep from screaming when someone inflicts tremendous pain on him.

Hello.

My girlfriend (18) is being bullied, snapped at at school by this girl in her class, for being too enthousiastic in class (answering everything etc.). It's a shame since I was happy to see her so enthousiastic this new schoolyear and happy with her school and all and now because of one bitch she's all depressed wishing school was over as fast as possible. Moreover, my girlfriend is an easy target as she's incredibly insecure and very sensible to bullying...

I wish I could talk some motivation into her (I can), but what does one do against this bullying? =(

Any ideas are greatly appreciated. =)
Treval


Say "shut the fuck up. Shut yah face! If you open your mouth one more time I'll slap it shut." Done.

mountainhare,
Jesus dude, I'm not gonna fight with you, that's for sure... ;)

Spidergoat, spidergoat
Spits a web any size
Catches girls just like flies
lookout, here comes the spidergoat.

In the middle of the night,
you can hear the screams and shouts
He's got bitches left and right
in his room and on the couch.

Maybe she should just stop being a suckup.


yeah, I said that on p.1- alot of useless info here "whack 'em on the back of the head with a chair"..."take karate" :bugeye:

Whats all this 'if youre being bullied its your fault' bullshit comming from some of you, thats some backwards shit.
Fucking kids.

No one likes a suckup.

Solution: Stop being a suckup.

We've all just assumed that the original poster's girlfriend's cousin's sister's whatever is just minding her own business throughout this post. The truth is, if you're going to be an annoying suckup, you're going to get shit for it. We are talking about a bit of a piss-taking, not physical abuse, so why are we all taking the original poster's side without question? A bit of name calling is nothing your average five year old can't shrug off.

Whats all this 'if youre being bullied its your fault' bullshit comming from some of you, thats some backwards shit.
Fucking kids.

What they are trying to say is, you cannot fight a bully by playing the victim. What you have to do is bully the bullies. You have to become the anti-bully.

The problem with bullies is not that they fight, the problem with bullies isnt even the fact that they bully, it's WHO they bully that seperates the good and bad bullies. People who bully the weak are predators, and are highly disliked.

You go to a prison, a place filled with bullies, and the most hated breed in prison are the child molestors, these guys prey on the weakest and most vulnerable. Then you have the bullies which prey on women, beating up their wife but won't challenge their boss. Then you have the bullies who are the boss and who beat up on their employees.

Bullies can be good people, it depends on what side they are on. You have to think of it like this, the police are bullies, but most of the time the police bully the right people.

The people who tell anyone not to play the part of the victim are very likely to be saying it just to taunt the victim. Bullies are a kind of psychopath and other kinds of mentally ill. They often don't even operate as bullies unless they can find a fellow psychopath to work with them, preferably someone who has authority over their chosen victim. Once they start they continue their attacks in a manner that simply doesn't allow for the victim to choose his or her own role. There is a difference between someone who uses bullying and can be talked to and those who make a career of it like one I used to work with or the one I went to school with.

"Don't be a victim" insults my intelligence. The people who have used this on me have also proven to be bullying psychopaths.

The people who tell anyone not to play the part of the victim are very likely to be saying it just to taunt the victim. Bullies are a kind of psychopath and other kinds of mentally ill. They often don't even operate as bullies unless they can find a fellow psychopath to work with them, preferably someone who has authority over their chosen victim. It's not so simple, because people who arent psychopaths still bully. Once they start they continue their attacks in a manner that simply doesn't allow for the victim to choose his or her own role.All roles are chosen, the victim can fight back. Now, there is a difference between a psychopath and a predator, a predator only attacks the weakest, while an ordinary psychopath might not be a bully at all and might hate bullies. There is a difference between someone who uses bullying and can be talked to and those who make a career of it like one I used to work with or the one I went to school with.Yes, that is true, like I said, not all bullies are predators or psychopaths, however a psycho-predator is perhaps the most dangerous mix.

"Don't be a victim" insults my intelligence. The people who have used this on me have also proven to be bullying psychopaths.


You are wrong. Not all psychopaths are "bad", or "evil". Those same psychopaths who you talk about, are the ones who become the anti-bully. Predator and psychopath are not always the same thing, as not all psychopaths for example, rape little kids, or beat on women, or attack civilians for fun.

Since victims out-number bullies in most cases, if victims arent choosing the role of victim, then they must as a group be completely powerless? No one is powerless. Start or join the police force. Use your brain power to change the laws to make bullying illegal. Become the judge, and buy the prison.

Or you can sit around and cry and blame the bully while doing nothing to stop the bully from making your life a living hell.

Timetraveller, I get the impression that if I were the teenager making such efforts, you would have been one of those who was no help or even actively undermined me. Everything you mention there either requires group efforts which aren't usually going to happen, the use of authority which are often collaborators, or enduring years of abuse before having any chance of having any effect.

No, the role of victim is not a choice. If it were, the victims wouldn't be called "victims." Victimization is about taking choice away from people. Those bastards are very good at taking that choice away.

as an ex-bully myself (and i am very ashamed of it) i can only say that there is not much she can do, the old myth of standing up to a bully because they are cowards is false. there was nothing more than and my friends liked more than beating down some one who tried to stand up for themselves
I sure didn't find that to be the case. Between 7th and 8th grade I grew to just about my adult size. I then stood up to every bully who had ever bugged me. I still remember the shocked look this upperclassman had as I punched him in the face after he smacked me in the back of the head for no reason on the bus. I had no more trouble with bullies after that.

Timetraveller, I get the impression that if I were the teenager making such efforts, you would have been one of those who was no help or even actively undermined me. Everything you mention there either requires group efforts which aren't usually going to happen, the use of authority which are often collaborators, or enduring years of abuse before having any chance of having any effect.

No, the role of victim is not a choice. If it were, the victims wouldn't be called "victims." Victimization is about taking choice away from people. Those bastards are very good at taking that choice away.


I was not talking about kids. It's the adults who are failing kids. If we had cameras in the schools we could catch the bullying on tape and punish the bullies. It's the adults to failed kids.

Most bullies work in groups, most victims don't. Every bully I have ever faced was a gang member, or in a group. The world is tribal. Do victims have a tribe?

I'm not the type of person to undermine you, I'm saying use your brain, if you are your own authority then you won't require authority from outside groups. Use your brain, buy the authority.

If a bully is so bad that groups of parents pay or bribe the principal to get their anti bullying measures implemented in that school, it ends there. Instead it's because parents are so soft on bullying that it continues. It's the parents who designed schools like prisons. It's parents who allow for kids with a violent history to be put in the same classroom and school as kids without a violent history.

Look, if you know a kid is a bully, why havent parents created the school for bullies, and if a kid gets caught bullying enough times they get put in the school for bullies. The reason is, bullies have parents too, often good parents, soft parents, who bend to the will of the bully child who bullies them around even. You have parents who fear their kids. Spanking are illegal, the options of past no longer work to end bullying. It used to be if you bullied you'd get spanked on your ass when you get home. It used to be that the principal would beat you if you bullied kids. Now the bully controls the principal by controlling their parents, if the principal beats the bully, the bully will make their parents sue the principal, yet if someone gets assaulted in class and is a student, the student has no legal right to sue the bully?

If you don't like how bullies abuse their power, STOP GIVING THEM THE POWER. You are an adult, not a victim. If someone is abusing you, stop thinking like a weak little victim, and switch the roles. The bully will bully you until you bully them or contain them from bullying others.

If a person is a bully, why don't victims start a rehab program for ex-bullies? This way bullies and victims can meet each other, and form friendships, and together help end the problem of bullying, hell it might even be profitable.

I sure didn't find that to be the case. Between 7th and 8th grade I grew to just about my adult size. I then stood up to every bully who had ever bugged me. I still remember the shocked look this upperclassman had as I punched him in the face after he smacked me in the back of the head for no reason on the bus. I had no more trouble with bullies after that.

Damn right, thats the sorta response that works. Look, if a dog comes at you growling and starts biting you, you don't start crying and not do anything, you fight it because those bites start to hurt. If someone keeps hitting you in the head, it does not matter, after a certain point, you'll fight.

The problem with the victim mindset is, that mindset discourages fighting back, it encourages the "I'm a victim, I need help, somethnig is wrong with me, I need a psychiatrist, I need meds, help!", thats the wrong response, the bully needs the help. The bully is the one with the problem, offer help to the bully, or the bully will keep on being a bully.

Look, bullies don't all want to be bullies, it's addictive, like any other vice. Some people are sadists and get a hardon or wet off making you scared, off making you feel pain, and off teasing you, and if you don't see what the picture is, you'll be bullied all your life until you stand up. How do you stand up? You say ENOUGH, and you meet with other people who have been bullied who also say ENOUGH, and then you tackle the problem. No one has a right to abuse you. It does not matter, no entity has a right to abuse you, not animal, nor human, not insect, not a virus, not a disease, respect yourself.

Thats all I can say, and I think the poster I'm responding to knows what I'm talking about because thats what he did.

A lot more attention needs to be paid to the fact of small cliques, not quite the same as gangs, that use bullying to damage a town by damaging select individuals. The ones who were after me maintained the same small group of perpetrators and bred new ones for about forty years.

I'm not at all sure that the student has no legal right to sue the bully or the bully's parents. I could very likely have done it myself if I had had a little help and if someone could have helped me get my head on straight. When I talk about collaboration by the authorities, I am not just saying it to read myself talking. I am not just "giving" them the power at the time a bunch of them actually conspire against me. They are taking it and the only choice I have is to leave if I can. You want me to take back my personal space? Make it possible for me to leave or legal for me to kill them. Then I get back my fucking power. You have no idea at all how to stop giving them the power any more than you have any idea how I can stop bleeding when someone straps me to a gurney and sticks a tube in a vein.

if you can't beat them..join them..
find someone weaker than you and take it out on them..

A lot more attention needs to be paid to the fact of small cliques, not quite the same as gangs, that use bullying to damage a town by damaging select individuals. The ones who were after me maintained the same small group of perpetrators and bred new ones for about forty years.

I'm not at all sure that the student has no legal right to sue the bully or the bully's parents. I could very likely have done it myself if I had had a little help and if someone could have helped me get my head on straight. When I talk about collaboration by the authorities, I am not just saying it to read myself talking. I am not just "giving" them the power at the time a bunch of them actually conspire against me. They are taking it and the only choice I have is to leave if I can. You want me to take back my personal space? Make it possible for me to leave or legal for me to kill them. Then I get back my fucking power. You have no idea at all how to stop giving them the power any more than you have any idea how I can stop bleeding when someone straps me to a gurney and sticks a tube in a vein.


Depends on the town, the size of the clique, the size of the gang, they are gangsters now, not bullies. They commit crimes? Crimes are illegal.

If the city or state government is corrupt, thats because you allowed your town bullies to seize power. Usually goverment does not care, and will accept support from whoever contributes to them getting elected and whoever has money, but in the rare situation where the bullies run the state, then it's a totally different situation, still people must be supporting or helping these bullies if they can gain so much power and the people who are helping or aiding the bullies, are the people who are victims of bullies and who side with the bullies or do nothing.

But thats why we have the feds, the international police force, and citizen intelligence. It's simple, if someone is a bully for long enough, eventually the word spreads through the town, this is civilian intelligence, after a while the reputation of the bully is well known to everyone.

Most of the organized crimes arent actively bullying, why? Because there is no point. Most successful gangs arent bulling because there is no profit in it. If you are talking about an Al Capone type of bully, well there is not much you as an individual can do, but there are the feds who handle the big bullies.

The point is, organizations, governments, and other structures are simply groups of people who agree to form these organizations. You don't like your neighborhood bully? The majority of the neighborhood does not like them? If you have consent and are organized yes you can handle a bully. Join the police force if you are bullied to the point where you can't handle the crime, and change the laws if you don't like the current laws. Vote, and stop running, you have no where to run and no where to hide, if you do leave, sure the problem will go away for you, but whereever you go, you still have to accept the fact that it's ultimately up to you to create the structures and organizations to deal with bullies, it's up to the victims to stop being victims because bullies arent going to stop.

Damn right, thats the sorta response that works. Look, if a dog comes at you growling and starts biting you, you don't start crying and not do anything, you fight it because those bites start to hurt. If someone keeps hitting you in the head, it does not matter, after a certain point, you'll fight.

The problem with the victim mindset is, that mindset discourages fighting back, it encourages the "I'm a victim, I need help, somethnig is wrong with me, I need a psychiatrist, I need meds, help!", thats the wrong response, the bully needs the help. The bully is the one with the problem, offer help to the bully, or the bully will keep on being a bully.

Look, bullies don't all want to be bullies, it's addictive, like any other vice. Some people are sadists and get a hardon or wet off making you scared, off making you feel pain, and off teasing you, and if you don't see what the picture is, you'll be bullied all your life until you stand up. How do you stand up? You say ENOUGH, and you meet with other people who have been bullied who also say ENOUGH, and then you tackle the problem. No one has a right to abuse you. It does not matter, no entity has a right to abuse you, not animal, nor human, not insect, not a virus, not a disease, respect yourself.

Thats all I can say, and I think the poster I'm responding to knows what I'm talking about because thats what he did.
the point i was trying to make in my first post is be careful before you attack the bully, if you are going to hit back make sure you have something that will give you the advantage because a lot of the time the bully will be bigger and stronger than yourself. take a chair and smack him when he is not looking sought of thing. i had people try and play the hero on me so i layed them out. the worst type of bullies (the ones i am trying to warn you about) are the real tough assholes who pick on people because they have nothing better to do and find it enjoyable to hurt people and if you try and fight them they will destroy you

the point i was trying to make in my first post is be careful before you attack the bully, if you are going to hit back make sure you have something that will give you the advantage because a lot of the time the bully will be bigger and stronger than yourself. take a chair and smack him when he is not looking sought of thing. i had people try and play the hero on me so i layed them out. the worst type of bullies (the ones i am trying to warn you about) are the real tough assholes who pick on people because they have nothing better to do and find it enjoyable to hurt people and if you try and fight them they will destroy you


I have known many bullies and they all get whats coming to them...one day.

Do you ever wonder if the people you bullied are gonna reap their revenge? Many do you know. They are just biding thier time, or were you not that bad that they'd remember.

I have known many bullies and they all get whats coming to them...one day.
maybe, maybe not ill be long gone before many of them try to get me, and if they do ill be waiting for them, i can hold my own in a fight


Do you ever wonder if the people you bullied are gonna reap their revenge? Many do you know. They are just biding thier time, or were you not that bad that they'd remember.
i was bad enough, most people left at the end of last year when school finished, i bullied as an act of lashing out against my problems at the time (quite some time ago) since i stopped no one ever seeked revenge on me. like i said if anyone ever wanted to try i couldnt care less i would beat them like i did before, im a damn good boxer so i hope they are good enough

maybe, maybe not ill be long gone before many of them try to get me, and if they do ill be waiting for them, i can hold my own in a fight


i was bad enough, most people left at the end of last year when school finished, i bullied as an act of lashing out against my problems at the time (quite some time ago) since i stopped no one ever seeked revenge on me. like i said if anyone ever wanted to try i couldnt care less i would beat them like i did before, im a damn good boxer so i hope they are good enough

sounds like fear talking

what if they a e in a gang and you are alone?

anyway, don't worry, I'm sure it won't happen.

Most bullies bully becuase they have problems at home. It a sucky cycle really. Like everything else, unless people get to the root of the problem, ie why the bully bullies, can't really ever hope to curb it.

what if they a e in a gang and you are alone?
well then i guess it would be my turn for revenge wouldnt it ;)

sounds like fear talking

what if they a e in a gang and you are alone?

anyway, don't worry, I'm sure it won't happen.

Most bullies bully becuase they have problems at home. It a sucky cycle really. Like everything else, unless people get to the root of the problem, ie why the bully bullies, can't really ever hope to curb it.
from experience from my school the worst bullies are the ones who know they are the biggest and bully for fun

I have known many bullies and they all get whats coming to them...one day.

Do you ever wonder if the people you bullied are gonna reap their revenge? Many do you know. They are just biding thier time, or were you not that bad that they'd remember.


Yeah, thats exactly what happened at columbine. They bullied those kids, and those kids came back with guns and shot up the school.

I'm not endorsing this sort of response to bullying because they killed many many innocent people, but bullies create misery, and misery comes back to you.

from experience from my school the worst bullies are the ones who know they are the biggest and bully for fun

Every bully I ever faced in life, it was the whole gang vs me. In a 1 on 1 fist fight, I could hold my own, I sparred on a daily basis, I practiced martial arts.

You say you are a boxer? You aren't the only one. The types of bullies I had to deal with, were in gangs and had weapons. The type of bullies I had to deal with, if you beat them up, they are the team captain and will have the whole school beat you up including teachers.

Bullying serves a certain purpose that fits in with a lot of things that occur on the larger scale. Even when it is on the smaller scale it is intended to disable the more intelligent members of the class.

Here's my two cents worth.

As an eighth grade student, I had a bully sit behind me in class, always poking and proding me to no end of torment. Then, I had the 'misfortune' of cracking my wrist in PE, which required a hard cast to be placed on my arm. The next time the bully poked me, I simply turned around and hit him on the head with my rock-hard cast. He never bullied me again.

Not certain if that works in every instance, but it sure worked for me!

Bullying serves a certain purpose that fits in with a lot of things that occur on the larger scale. Even when it is on the smaller scale it is intended to disable the more intelligent members of the class.

You are talking about classroom bullying. Bullying exists when people become adults, you are still being bullied now I bet.

Yeah, thats exactly what happened at columbine. They bullied those kids, and those kids came back with guns and shot up the school.

I'm not endorsing this sort of response to bullying because they killed many many innocent people, but bullies create misery, and misery comes back to you.

It creates very angry disillusioned individuals as the case you cite demonstrates.

To forgive saves one self burning up inside and enduring the pain of bullying forever but really this is unrealsitic, it always leaves a mark. One that only be erased by restoring the power that you had stripped from you when bullied. Power can only be restored by taking it back. As said that power can be taken back by not allowing the bullying to affect you after the event, or by retaliation.

But the desire to have that power returned remains until you do one of the other. Else it remains festering, growing until the 'power' you seek to 'take back' far exceeds the power that was taken.

hence shooting up the school.

Shooting may be extreme, but I am not at all against bullies learning a valuable lesson in NOT bullying.

bullying is a natural thing, it happens in nature as well as in humans, in wolf packs there is always a wolf who is bullied and beaten etc.. as it helps the majority group function as a whole

Here's the problem, TOR. The bullies do have a sort of social organization. They have learned how to shut out any opposition to their bullying. They literally believe that they are supposed to rule other humans. They carry this belief over into their adult lives when they become judges, police, and legislators.

They can become really solid and refuse to change what they do to someone for any reason. The idea of them getting shot is particularly satisfying and even morally justifiable because of the damage that bullying does. It isn't the best way. We also should keep in mind the fact that the bullies can and will use arson and murder themselves, maybe a little bit sneakier. In some of these towns that have these cliques even the police are used to murder people who are likely to "cause trouble." They don't necessarily have to murder the actual troublemaker. They might murder someone whose murder will cause the troublemaker to become despondent. I don't know how many of them realize that it is better to paralyze and exert some kind of control over an individual than it is to kill them outright. If they remove the locus, it is replaced and becomes an unknown quantity. If they control its actions, then it becomes their tool or at least harmless to them.

Forgiving the bullies and leaving them in power causes another problem. Bullies need someone to bully. They can't even allow everyone to become law-abiding normal citizens. They have to create a criminal underclass by embittering people, by cutting them off from their family and friends, by getting them out of decent jobs, by forcing them to live in crappy housing with no medical care. That stuff is also good for some income on the side.

Good people don't think that they have the right to discriminate against others. Most good people don't realize that we are actually in a secret war with casualties and fatalities. It has to be secret because if we knew that we were in a war it would be all right to do something to the perpetrators. They deceive us into thinking that they deserve consideration, compassion, and forgiveness without having to change their ways. They even deceive us into thinking that it is safe to allow them to be in charge of things that affect our lives. Sure, give the job of police officer who used to commit strong-arm robbery of other children when he was a teenager. We get to feel good because we forgive and forget. When he picks the pocket of someone he's pulled over at a traffic stop, it was probably drug money or money for prostitutes anyway, wasn't it?

I have seen enough testimony to identify patterns of behavior. I have had enough personal experience to make this real.

I have actually wondered if they are of a species foreign to humanity. This would have to be in a more subtle way than the genetics that we know, and genetic science is still in its infancy. Genetic fingerprinting is far more art than science right now.

I don't just "suppose" that the world is just the same. There is a lot of evidence. It can be found in literature that is centuries old. Even the idea that there is not a continuum between childhood and adult behavior is a recent delusion. Does someone want to tell me that I am cherry-picking evidence that bullying took place hundreds of years ago? Might I remind you that adulthood until very recently was granted at the typical age of puberty and that the Inquisition lasted hundreds of years and was very popular. Only recently has the absence of bullying been a possibility worth considering. There never was such a thing as "the good old days" when family values dominated. When teen pregnancy wasn't a problem it was because teens who were sexually active were married and starting a family, and when American society was supposedly at its best, lynching black people wasn't even illegal and we had McCarthy and Prohibition and the drug wars.

I have been following a docudrama series about the Spanish Inquisition on the UKTV History Channel.
Not so sure from that, though, that it was always so popular.
Do you thus mean to include respected authorities within your purview of bullies?

--- Ron.

Respected by whom?

Hell, yes. Look at the history of "authority" anywhere. Don't think I should dredge up stuff from the past? When they do it to people like drug users, they call it "past performance." It's hardly credible when they claim that they are through oppressing people when they really don't admit to ever having done it.

I don't have much to say about online moderation in this thread. It can come up for sure. Some moderators definitely use their powers for evil. Some are set up as a pretense of discussing a subject but they are actually there to hurt people who would speak against whatever is "mainstream" at the time.

That leads into the consequences of adult bullying. Children bully when they are children to practice up for their activities as adult bullies. They can drive others to loss of jobs and businesses, loss of freedom, insanity, and suicide. The smartest people in the world still cannot contend well with simple and brutal abuse of minds and bodies. It's like a bullet can cause its damage in a millisecond and it can take years, if ever, to repair that damage. Destruction is such a very leveraged activity. A little bit of destruction takes out a hell of a lot of construction.

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Here's the problem, TOR. The bullies do have a sort of social organization. They have learned how to shut out any opposition to their bullying. They literally believe that they are supposed to rule other humans. They carry this belief over into their adult lives when they become judges, police, and legislators.

They can become really solid and refuse to change what they do to someone for any reason. The idea of them getting shot is particularly satisfying and even morally justifiable because of the damage that bullying does. It isn't the best way. We also should keep in mind the fact that the bullies can and will use arson and murder themselves, maybe a little bit sneakier. In some of these towns that have these cliques even the police are used to murder people who are likely to "cause trouble." They don't necessarily have to murder the actual troublemaker. They might murder someone whose murder will cause the troublemaker to become despondent. I don't know how many of them realize that it is better to paralyze and exert some kind of control over an individual than it is to kill them outright. If they remove the locus, it is replaced and becomes an unknown quantity. If they control its actions, then it becomes their tool or at least harmless to them.

Forgiving the bullies and leaving them in power causes another problem. Bullies need someone to bully. They can't even allow everyone to become law-abiding normal citizens. They have to create a criminal underclass by embittering people, by cutting them off from their family and friends, by getting them out of decent jobs, by forcing them to live in crappy housing with no medical care. That stuff is also good for some income on the side.

Good people don't think that they have the right to discriminate against others. Most good people don't realize that we are actually in a secret war with casualties and fatalities. It has to be secret because if we knew that we were in a war it would be all right to do something to the perpetrators. They deceive us into thinking that they deserve consideration, compassion, and forgiveness without having to change their ways. They even deceive us into thinking that it is safe to allow them to be in charge of things that affect our lives. Sure, give the job of police officer who used to commit strong-arm robbery of other children when he was a teenager. We get to feel good because we forgive and forget. When he picks the pocket of someone he's pulled over at a traffic stop, it was probably drug money or money for prostitutes anyway, wasn't it?

Your victimizing talk annoys me. Listen, you can become a judge too, you can become a police officer too, you can bully the bullys. You don't have to sit back and complain about how bullies rule the world if you arent willing to help people who are trying to keep bullies from bullying you. Why don't you join the police force? Why don't you help politicians get elected? If you are bullied why don't you try to build your own base of power and support?

As far as the other stuff you said, you are being a bit paranoid. Let the authorities worry about organized crime, unless you want to become an authority.

Also most bullying does not end in people being killed. Actually most of the time, it's just stalking and harrassing, character assasination, and kicking them out of town.

I don't have much to say about online moderation in this thread. It can come up for sure. Some moderators definitely use their powers for evil. Some are set up as a pretense of discussing a subject but they are actually there to hurt people who would speak against whatever is "mainstream" at the time.

That leads into the consequences of adult bullying. Children bully when they are children to practice up for their activities as adult bullies. They can drive others to loss of jobs and businesses, loss of freedom, insanity, and suicide. The smartest people in the world still cannot contend well with simple and brutal abuse of minds and bodies. It's like a bullet can cause its damage in a millisecond and it can take years, if ever, to repair that damage. Destruction is such a very leveraged activity. A little bit of destruction takes out a hell of a lot of construction.


The world is tribal, it's factions, you can join an anti-bully faction, or you can join a bully faction, but if you are alone you'll have to create your own faction and I doubt you can.

Women were bullied for a long time, they organized, and now women have laws in place which can bully guys. Learn about the feminist movement, learn how people organize.

There is always bullying, but bullying today happens in groups, not alone. It's almost never 1 on 1, if you piss off a connected person thats really all it takes to get bullied.

If only it were so easy to destroy a carefully constructed delusion.

--- Ron.

Whutchootalkinaboutwillis? :D

The world is tribal, it's factions, you can join an anti-bully faction, or you can join a bully faction, but if you are alone you'll have to create your own faction and I doubt you can.

Women were bullied for a long time, they organized, and now women have laws in place which can bully guys. Learn about the feminist movement, learn how people organize.

There is always bullying, but bullying today happens in groups, not alone. It's almost never 1 on 1, if you piss off a connected person thats really all it takes to get bullied.

I don't think that I have to create my faction so much as I have to convince it that it exists, which is already does. I never seem to make it clear that the non-bullying faction is the vast majority and it consists very largely of people who "go along" and haven't figured out where to dig in their heels.

Going along contributes a great deal of momentum to whatever it is we're doing, whether it's killing Jews or curing polio.

So far it seems more has been gained by "going along" than resisting, sort of. There are a lot of groups "going along" against a lot of other groups also "going along." Opposition parties so to speak.

It seems to have worked out pretty good.

Going along contributes a great deal of momentum to whatever it is we're doing, whether it's killing Jews or curing polio.

So far it seems more has been gained by "going along" than resisting, sort of. There are a lot of groups "going along" against a lot of other groups also "going along." Opposition parties so to speak.

It seems to have worked out pretty good.

I think we need to be a little more selective about what we contribute our momentum to. Good thoughts, Roman.

I don't think that I have to create my faction so much as I have to convince it that it exists, which is already does. I never seem to make it clear that the non-bullying faction is the vast majority and it consists very largely of people who "go along" and haven't figured out where to dig in their heels.

Actually most factions arent actively existing to bully people. You have all sorts of gangs, most just want to make money and make things better for the individual members. Some others are just, interested in bettering the community. Some others are just business factions.

Bullying is not really the purpose of most groups. If you are being bullied, find people who think similar to you, but don't look for victims, find people who are strong enough to live life and not be in constant fear. You'll find support. It's important that you be a good person who is willingly to protect your community, and you'll find people who protect the community as you do.

Going along contributes a great deal of momentum to whatever it is we're doing, whether it's killing Jews or curing polio.

So far it seems more has been gained by "going along" than resisting, sort of. There are a lot of groups "going along" against a lot of other groups also "going along." Opposition parties so to speak.

It seems to have worked out pretty good.

Roman for once I actually agree with you. You are correct. In general, people have to find their family, their tribe, their people so to speak. It's not based on race either, it's completely based on goals.

Ask the right questions and look for others asking the same questions.

Actually most factions arent actively existing to bully people. You have all sorts of gangs, most just want to make money and make things better for the individual members. Some others are just, interested in bettering the community. Some others are just business factions.

Bullying is not really the purpose of most groups. If you are being bullied, find people who think similar to you, but don't look for victims, find people who are strong enough to live life and not be in constant fear. You'll find support. It's important that you be a good person who is willingly to protect your community, and you'll find people who protect the community as you do.

It's way too easy to get people into that game, though.

TimeTraveler, reading it again I think you're giving me pretty good advice. I know that not everyone is into the bullying thing and probably not most people. For the first time in a couple of years I am once again blessedly free of bullying in the workplace. The people act better there overall and it seems to me that absenteeism and tardiness are less among those who stay, although there is still too high a turnover among the temps.

What worries me about the idea of "protecting" my community is that it could too easily slide into playing the rule of a bully without having truly positive values behind it. About the only thing I see happening where I live right now is that "they" actually do leave you alone when you "comply." It says much that this is a sort of progress towards the better. The trouble is, there is a lot of nitpicking to "comply" with and "they" are way too prone to seeing problems and "dealing" with problems that are none of their business. "They" are still troublemakers in a big way. This is not a good way to live, simply to avoid receiving trouble from some very minor public employees.

What some people see as a messed-up way to live I see as living a more open, more enjoyable lifestyle. That lifestyle has the same problems as the carefully groomed suburban lifestyle but it also has the freedom that is missing in suburbia. It's not really more dangerous because where I had more freedom some dangers were less dangerous. Just one of those was that the police were a lot less primed to shoot someone to death just because they could. Maybe that was because they were less overworked and because they weren't asked quite so often to push their damn noses in where they didn't belong.

I guess it's always been true that a lot of the things that police are called upon to mess with have been better left alone. It just seems worse these days.

TimeTraveler, reading it again I think you're giving me pretty good advice. I know that not everyone is into the bullying thing and probably not most people. For the first time in a couple of years I am once again blessedly free of bullying in the workplace. The people act better there overall and it seems to me that absenteeism and tardiness are less among those who stay, although there is still too high a turnover among the temps.

What worries me about the idea of "protecting" my community is that it could too easily slide into playing the rule of a bully without having truly positive values behind it. About the only thing I see happening where I live right now is that "they" actually do leave you alone when you "comply." It says much that this is a sort of progress towards the better. The trouble is, there is a lot of nitpicking to "comply" with and "they" are way too prone to seeing problems and "dealing" with problems that are none of their business. "They" are still troublemakers in a big way. This is not a good way to live, simply to avoid receiving trouble from some very minor public employees.

What some people see as a messed-up way to live I see as living a more open, more enjoyable lifestyle. That lifestyle has the same problems as the carefully groomed suburban lifestyle but it also has the freedom that is missing in suburbia. It's not really more dangerous because where I had more freedom some dangers were less dangerous. Just one of those was that the police were a lot less primed to shoot someone to death just because they could. Maybe that was because they were less overworked and because they weren't asked quite so often to push their damn noses in where they didn't belong.

I guess it's always been true that a lot of the things that police are called upon to mess with have been better left alone. It just seems worse these days.

I looked up workplace bullying, I found a site which may help you. http://mobbing-usa.com/Resources.html

The whole point is, mob bullying, which is bullying 2.0, is organized. This is the sorta bullying you seem to be faced with right? You aren't facing 1 on 1, you are facing the entire town right?

The whole point is, if you are being bullied, you'll have to either join a faction, form your own, or stay independent. If you are independent, it's like being independent in prison. The same rules apply, don't get involved in their business, mind your business, don't snitch, and if you get bullied and don't have the organization to defend yourself, leave town. Independent usually means you aren't going to be able to handle a mob of bullies. You certainly won't be able to handle any gang, on any level. You can however protect yourself, like I said, be smart and seek help.

Thank you for the link, Time Traveler. I have left town and I hope that I can save enough money to buy my own car. Then I will move to where there is a little more personal freedom than there is here. This neighborhood may be a "good neighborhood" but the local hoodlums still go through cars looking for drug money, nothing I really want is legal here, I have to drive to work, and taxes are high.

Good thoughts, Roman.

Thanks :)

Roman for once I actually agree with you. You are correct. In general, people have to find their family, their tribe, their people so to speak. It's not based on race either, it's completely based on goals.

I've been saying this all along.
The way people line up can be in any manner, virtually arbitrarily, because people are very prone to working together. This is because people can accomplish a lot working together. People accomplish so much working together, that they can even work together for the wrong reasons (genocide, racism, oppressive religions, whatever.), and accomplish more than those who refuse to work together.

Not to further drag the discussion away from the topic, but you will notice that people will often rally around their leader, even if he is a bad leader, in times where everyone is threatened. When people have a vested interest in an organization, in that organization doing well, then they will put aside their organizational differences and cooperate against the outside threat.

Hello.

My girlfriend (18) is being bullied, snapped at at school by this girl in her class, for being too enthousiastic in class (answering everything etc.). It's a shame since I was happy to see her so enthousiastic this new schoolyear and happy with her school and all and now because of one bitch she's all depressed wishing school was over as fast as possible. Moreover, my girlfriend is an easy target as she's incredibly insecure and very sensible to bullying...

I wish I could talk some motivation into her (I can), but what does one do against this bullying? =(

Any ideas are greatly appreciated. =)
TrevalHaving been exposed to healthy, open-minded, unprejudiced, normal people for a while now on this forum I can only offer you my advice as it has been inspired by them.

To deal with a bully you simply have to remind him/her that (s)he is really a misguided, selfless, insecure, ignorant, good spirit projecting her/his issues upon the world and then pray that he finds his/her way back unto God’s path.
If that doesn’t work just believe that you are defending yourself as he pummels you with punches and convince yourself that the blood streaming down your face is really his/hers.

But do not do anything else.
We all live in the universe of our own creation and so in your head you can defeat anybody.

Thanks Sciforums.

I feel better now.

There's only 2 types of people in the world, bullies and victims of bullying.
And victims of bullying are alot like victims of AIDs, they brought in on themselves.
There's no cure, but it's easy to prevent for people who don't deserve it.

Victims of bullying in this day and age are very lucky, traditionally(since before there even were humans) victims of bullying were harrassed to death.
These victims are to me the walking dead, they shouldn't be alive. If I was to start a hitler style movement, I wouldn't round up the jews, I'd round up those who were bullied at school (obviously this would include most jews anyway).
I'd question them casually in a friendly manner "hey man were you bullied at school, hehe" "yeah, I kind of was, haha" and then I'd arrest them and put them in camps ran by elite experienced bullies who would then bully them to death.
There's a reason people get bullied, and it's got nothing to do with the bullies, it's because the victim failed at making the grade as a person.
They often commit suicide for christ's sake, even they realise they shouldn't be.
Animals don't commit suicide because the losers are bullied to death before they get the chance.

Your girlfriend should have been more perceptive and realised answering all the questions enthusiastically would get her in trouble. That's just an idiotic mistake and it shows she SHOULD be bullied.
Saying "whats wrong with wanting to learn?" is missing the point, there's something wrong with not being able to predict the rammifications of such lamo behaviour.
There's a glitch or deformity in her set of social skills.
A lame personality, like a lame hock, is an organisms ticket to an early demise. It will get you picked out of the herd, and this is a natural beautiful thing.

I really don't see her getting out of it now, people saying "inform the school" are so out of touch with reality that it goes beyond being "not funny" and into the realm of being quite funny.
Her last ditch effort should be picking on some small fat girl, telling the cool girls that she saw this unfortunate girl undressing and noticed she had a bulbous wideset vagina.
Now she has to select the victim carefully (since her instincts are obviously shot), pick a truely cool girl and it's over, you lose. They'll never be convinced by a lame girl that a cool girl is lame. True substance of character will always win out.
But another loser, someone they naturally sense is inferior, if your girlfriend can destroy her horrifically enough they'll be impressed.
Nothing tickles a bully(aka normal person) more than witnessing the decimation of a true loser. Do this with enough style and grace and you MIGHT be able to trick them into thinking you're cool. You'll at least confuse their sensory organs temporarily, and you might be able to fly under the radar.

I feel dirty even giving advice to a loser. But for scientific reasons I wouldn't mind seeing how this experiment plays out.

There's only 2 types of people in the world, bullies and victims of bullying.
And victims of bullying are alot like victims of AIDs, they brought in on themselves.
There's no cure, but it's easy to prevent for people who don't deserve it.

Victims of bullying in this day and age are very lucky, traditionally(since before there even were humans) victims of bullying were harrassed to death.
These victims are to me the walking dead, they shouldn't be alive. If I was to start a hitler style movement, I wouldn't round up the jews, I'd round up those who were bullied at school (obviously this would include most jews anyway).
I'd question them casually in a friendly manner "hey man were you bullied at school, hehe" "yeah, I kind of was, haha" and then I'd arrest them and put them in camps ran by elite experienced bullies who would then bully them to death.
There's a reason people get bullied, and it's got nothing to do with the bullies, it's because the victim failed at making the grade as a person.
They often commit suicide for christ's sake, even they realise they shouldn't be.
Animals don't commit suicide because the losers are bullied to death before they get the chance.

Your girlfriend should have been more perceptive and realised answering all the questions enthusiastically would get her in trouble. That's just an idiotic mistake and it shows she SHOULD be bullied.
Saying "whats wrong with wanting to learn?" is missing the point, there's something wrong with not being able to predict the rammifications of such lamo behaviour.
There's a glitch or deformity in her set of social skills.
A lame personality, like a lame hock, is an organisms ticket to an early demise. It will get you picked out of the herd, and this is a natural beautiful thing.

I really don't see her getting out of it now, people saying "inform the school" are so out of touch with reality that it goes beyond being "not funny" and into the realm of being quite funny.
Her last ditch effort should be picking on some small fat girl, telling the cool girls that she saw this unfortunate girl undressing and noticed she had a bulbous wideset vagina.
Now she has to select the victim carefully (since her instincts are obviously shot), pick a truely cool girl and it's over, you lose. They'll never be convinced by a lame girl that a cool girl is lame. True substance of character will always win out.
But another loser, someone they naturally sense is inferior, if your girlfriend can destroy her horrifically enough they'll be impressed.
Nothing tickles a bully(aka normal person) more than witnessing the decimation of a true loser. Do this with enough style and grace and you MIGHT be able to trick them into thinking you're cool. You'll at least confuse their sensory organs temporarily, and you might be able to fly under the radar.

I feel dirty even giving advice to a loser. But for scientific reasons I wouldn't mind seeing how this experiment plays out.


There might be two types of people, but not everyone is a bully. How do you explain the people who bully the bullys?

The FBI for example?

Also, every human is bullied at least once, unless you are like Al Capone, you've been bullied. There is always a boss, so this rounding up everyone who has been bullied, who is going to do all the work then? The bosses? What are you going to do about guys like Bill Gates?

There is a difference between bullies and predators. Explain to me why you think it takes bravery to bully someone smaller than you, but you arent brave enough to bully someone the same size or bigger?

There might be two types of people, predators, and people. Not all bullies are predators, not all bullies rape kids because the kids can't defend themselves, or beat on their wife, or round up all the women, children etc. That's you, thats how you are.

Perhaps you should explain your philosophy in more detail besides just the "I hate the weak", talk. Everyone knows that you, as a predator, hate the weak, but don't you realize that you are prey to someone else who is stronger than you?

Also, I'm guessing the guy who said that there are two people, bullies and predators, does not realize that, people who have been bullied usually become the the most vicious predators of all. How does his theory explain columbine?

Do you advise that this girl take something like a gun and shoot the bully and handle it that way? Or handle it legally?

You should do a search through Doc's old posts and threads. Over his time at SciForums he has layed out his whole "I hate the weak" philosophy.

You should do a search through Doc's old posts and threads. Over his time at SciForums he has layed out his whole "I hate the weak" philosophy.

Roman, I'm guessing you agree with him. So you can tell me yourself, why do you hate the weak? Who is going to be the worker slaves?

I don't think that people who have been bullied usually become the worst kinds of predators but they do have problems.

I don't think that people who have been bullied usually become the worst kinds of predators but they do have problems.

Actually most child molestors were molested themselves. Most who grow up to beat up their wives, saw their father beat up their mother.

Roman, I'm guessing you agree with him. So you can tell me yourself, why do you hate the weak? Who is going to be the worker slaves?

TimeTraveler, you've got to be the most ready to judge and the most presumptuous person I've ever seen in these forums. And yet you seem to preach the exact opposite kind of behavior. Yeah. I'm calling you a hypocrite.

TimeTraveler, you've got to be the most ready to judge and the most presumptuous person I've ever seen in these forums. And yet you seem to preach the exact opposite kind of behavior. Yeah. I'm calling you a hypocrite.


Please explain what you mean? I never said I don't judge people, there is not a human on planet earth who does not judge. You have to select your friends don't you?

Are you claiming that because I do not judge people on "skin color", that I'm not practicing what I preach when I judge peoples character? What else is there besides character when trying to know a person? You are what you do.

Explain how I'm a hypocrite? Are you all, Roman, and all these others in some sorta group? Why is it that everytime a topic like, bullying, racism, or hating on the weak and vulnerable pops up, the same group of people rush to comment the same typical comments?

Tell me, what is it about the weak that you hate so much besides the fact that they are weak and vulnerable? Do you expect the average person to understand the mind of a child molestor or a wife beater? Most of us don't, in fact most bullies don't beat their wives and bully kids. So if you want people to understand you, or your group, you have to do a better job explaining what you think about say

Minorities,disabled, homosexuals, women, children, or anyone weak. What is it in specific about weakness that you hate?

Dr. Lou:

There's only 2 types of people in the world, bullies and victims of bullying.
And victims of bullying are alot like victims of AIDs, they brought in on themselves.

I've said this once, and I'll say it again. Your posts are one of the major highlights of this forum. Your adherence to the 'survival of the fittest' dogma reminds me of Apocalypse.

I hope your return to sciforums is permanent. :)

i dont hate the weak, i hate the people who dont help themselves

ny ideas are greatly appreciated.
As an ex-bully, I'd say the best you can do is 1) tell your chick to ignore the bully, and then 2) you get vengeance.

i dont hate the weak, i hate the people who dont help themselves

Yeah I understand THAT. But what about people who help themselves by helping others?

I have tried that.
It is not a good idea.
Never underestimate the dedication of a well practised victim.
As you wrote before: "a lot like victims of AIDs", it is infectious.
They'll blame you for the gift of the advice that they themselves had invoked.
You'll end up being bullied yourself, perhaps by a moderator,
or some other self styled knight in shining armour.

It is not so much about a World divided into Bullies and victims,
more a case of the World divided into those who grew up and those who remain dependent.
There is something wrong when a 30 year old child has never been kissed,
still lives at home, and still depends entirely on parents for support,
and beware that there's an awful lot like that in this vicinity.

So yes, it is no good to blame anybody else for it;
that serves only to exacerbate the syndrome,
to reinforce the role of the victim.

--- Ron.

You don't look like 30. You look smelly and old.

The wife does not complain so much.


I'm sure she bullies you instead.

I know you are a prime example of victim.

You don't need to. Just read Dr Lou's:

There's only 2 types of people in the world, bullies and victims of bullying.
And victims of bullying are alot like victims of AIDs, they brought in on themselves.
There's no cure, but it's easy to prevent for people who don't deserve it.

Victims of bullying in this day and age are very lucky, traditionally(since before there even were humans) victims of bullying were harrassed to death.
These victims are to me the walking dead, they shouldn't be alive. If I was to start a hitler style movement, I wouldn't round up the jews, I'd round up those who were bullied at school (obviously this would include most jews anyway).
I'd question them casually in a friendly manner "hey man were you bullied at school, hehe" "yeah, I kind of was, haha" and then I'd arrest them and put them in camps ran by elite experienced bullies who would then bully them to death.
There's a reason people get bullied, and it's got nothing to do with the bullies, it's because the victim failed at making the grade as a person.
They often commit suicide for christ's sake, even they realise they shouldn't be.
Animals don't commit suicide because the losers are bullied to death before they get the chance.

Your girlfriend should have been more perceptive and realised answering all the questions enthusiastically would get her in trouble. That's just an idiotic mistake and it shows she SHOULD be bullied.
Saying "whats wrong with wanting to learn?" is missing the point, there's something wrong with not being able to predict the rammifications of such lamo behaviour.
There's a glitch or deformity in her set of social skills.
A lame personality, like a lame hock, is an organisms ticket to an early demise. It will get you picked out of the herd, and this is a natural beautiful thing.

I really don't see her getting out of it now, people saying "inform the school" are so out of touch with reality that it goes beyond being "not funny" and into the realm of being quite funny.
Her last ditch effort should be picking on some small fat girl, telling the cool girls that she saw this unfortunate girl undressing and noticed she had a bulbous wideset vagina.
Now she has to select the victim carefully (since her instincts are obviously shot), pick a truely cool girl and it's over, you lose. They'll never be convinced by a lame girl that a cool girl is lame. True substance of character will always win out.
But another loser, someone they naturally sense is inferior, if your girlfriend can destroy her horrifically enough they'll be impressed.
Nothing tickles a bully(aka normal person) more than witnessing the decimation of a true loser. Do this with enough style and grace and you MIGHT be able to trick them into thinking you're cool. You'll at least confuse their sensory organs temporarily, and you might be able to fly under the radar.

I feel dirty even giving advice to a loser. But for scientific reasons I wouldn't mind seeing how this experiment plays out.

You may have responded to it with your usual nonsense but you failed to make the obvious conclusion.

You are not a bully. You are a victim.

Smartasses are typical victims.

They tried to get out of their victim status by being a smartass. Sometimes that works. But it never works if you are not funny. You are not funny. You are just a cesspool of negative energy.

My theory is that you developed into a cesspool of negative energy to avoid being bullied. Anyone that comes near you can feel the negative drain. You are a 'dementor'.

Nobody will ever consider you to be a bully. You just managed to survive the bullying (as Dr Lou pointed out this is quite common nowadays) and now are trying to spread your filth in the w