Which of the fates in the poll is suitable for rapists? If none, pick Other and please explain in the thread.

Give the ole Choparoooooo......:D

get tem in a big room, so they can all rape each other!

Just set apart like half a state for them all to live and fuck as much as they want.

Originally posted by Tyler
Just set apart like half a state for them all to live and fuck as much as they want.

hey yeah... and occasionally, the familes of the victom can go over there and tie them up and play jokes on themmm.........

I think im taking it too far. After all, these are people too

Originally posted by Agent@5

I think im taking it too far. After all, these are people too
No, they aren't. Rapists are not people. They are sub-human slime and should be removed.

I wish that were true. But I think we all have a tendancey to be 'evil' its a matter of choice, it what thoughts we choose to embelish on, and what was cast a ridiculous. Some people make dangerous choices.

Chemical castration with a duration depending on the circumstances.

Exile. In the case of immigrants, back to where they came from. In the case of Australians... find an island somewhere, and just drop them off with a box of matches, a knife, and some warm clothing.

Bring back public execution, and none of that mamby-pamby injection shit. Draw & quarter those bastards! Make it slow, painful, & violent! Imprisoning criminals costs us all alot of money. I'll keep what little money I have & get some cool entertainment.


Mommy, can we go watch the bad men get dead, today?

I wish that were true. But I think we all have a tendancey to be 'evil' its a matter of choice, it what thoughts we choose to embelish on, and what was cast a ridiculous. Some people make dangerous choices.

Exactly, they make bad choices, and must suffer the consequences.

Lock them up and throw away the key seems the best balence between the possibility of innocence and the need for retribution and safety.

Ratbat:

Bring back public execution, and none of that mamby-pamby injection shit. Draw & quarter those bastards! Make it slow, painful, & violent!

I'll bring the beer if you'll bring the charcoal and lighter fluid. Somone else can bring ribs and Jack Daniels....oh, and music too....

I'm hungry now.

Maybe we should castrate them, then put them to work for civil projects so they would be seen in public. But put some type of symbol on them to identify them as rapists. That way everyone could see them for what they are.

My little brother is a fan of the branding idea. Put a big black "R" on their foreheads or something, he suggests.

Put a big black "R" on their foreheads or something, he suggests

The scarlet letter type thing. There is a lot to be said for public opinion and the lack of ability to hide which is something that rapists so desire, after the fact. To be put on the viewing block for all to see and to be watched always afterward by everyone kind of slows down the practice. It does not stop the practice though. There are always repeat offenders. I would suggest the combination of public mark and chemical aids. Should repeat offenses occur then it should no longer be chemical but permanent.

In 'The Grudge' Maynard sings: "unable to forgive these scarlet letterman."

You seem to know what that means. Please tell me :)

Hahaha! Xev, once again we have a misunderstanding!

Of course rape is unforgiveable! I wasn't even talking about that, cause it is so very obvious.

What I meant was: what are SCARLET LETTERMEN?? :) :)

But I must admit that I write pretty confusing sometimes. That's because I asume everyone already knows what I mean :)

Does not work,they tried it here for years & they still rapped if they got the chance even with the medicine
:eek:

I am amazed with all this anger in this forum..

Sweet music to my ears, I just got done trying to convince Nelson and ndrs that such was the case.
I would agree to you, rape is unforgivable in most cases.
But you have to remember, that the people who do these things, do them because of their impulses/instincts. Most people can control it, some people can barely do it. Add the effect of friend support. Isolating everybody who is weak, would require a whole state. :) I doubt if the punishments for rape have a big effect anyway. I think teaching people to control themselves better and similar things would help more.
Besides, if the punishment for rape would be more severe (life improsiment, execution, etc..), most rapists would probably kill their victim: nothing to lose for them, just easier to get away...
The story in the other thread was quite extreme? Also, what do you think of a man raping his girlfriend, or a man raping a girl on a date?

Originally posted by ndrs

I would agree to you, rape is unforgivable in most cases.

In most cases, eh? In what cases might it be forgivable?

PS: I think that with that statement you risk identifying yourself as an anti-social amoeba.

In most cases, eh? In what cases might it be forgivable?
For example, if a girl on a date teases a man to bed, and then stops it.. I wouldn't do it myself though. :)

PS: I think that with that statement you risk identifying yourself as an anti-social amoeba.
I really don't care.. I am not related to anyone in here and this is a pretty anonymous forum.

I am amazed with all this anger in this forum..

I am pleased by it. Anger in the face of evil is a sign of virtue.

I love you guys! Well, most of you.


But you have to remember, that the people who do these things, do them because of their impulses/ instincts.

That's a pity that they choose not to control themselves, isn't it?


The story in the other thread was quite extreme? Also, what do you think of a man raping his girlfriend, or a man raping a girl on a date?

See above.

"In what cases might it be forgivable?"

When a female 'rapes' a male???

Take care ;)

I am pleased by it. Anger in the face of evil is a sign of virtue.
Who said that?
I believe that showing anger is never a virtue, it's a weakness.

That's a pity that they choose not to control themselves, isn't it?
.

"Yeah, well, look what he was wearing! He was begging for it!"

Which brings up the question: Why does fashion, male or female, very
often accentuate aspects considered to be 'sexually oriented'?

Take care ;)

Originally posted by ndrs

For example, if a girl on a date teases a man to bed, and then stops it.. I wouldn't do it myself though. :)

Sorry ndrs, this makes no sense whatsoever. If one person decides to stop at any time, the other must stop. Why? Follow the very simply logic here. If a friend lets you borrow his car one day, does that mean you can walk in and just take it any time you like, without asking, for ever after? If a person lets you into their house just once, does that mean you can fopr ever after simply walk in and make yourself at home without asking? Obviously not, in both cases. The same applies to our persons. Any time we physically interact with another person, we do so at their express permission, else we should not physically interact with them at all. Any time one says "stop", we must stop, otherwise it is an attack, conceptually akin to continually taking another person's car without asking, but much more serious because in the end our body is our kingdom. If you continue taking without permission, you violate that basic principle of social behaviour, you violate the logic path described herein. To me, the only valid reason for pshyical interaction against another person without their permission is in self-defence or the defence of someone threatened by that person.

If someone with a low intelligence is made drunk by his friends, and then they challenge him to rape someone, keep pushing him and so on, he should still be chemicly castrated at least. Only the time of the punishment can differ.

Punishment does not mean that he can't have therapy while in jail.

I'm sorry ndrs, but for society's sake, objective lines must be drawn. There should be no possiblity open to walk away from rape.

I very much agree with Adam about borrowing the car. It's the same thing. It's even more: with a person you should be EXTRA careful!

Rape can be kinky though!

I heard rape is a fantasy of some women. But there is a HUGE difference between an innocent fantasy and acting it out.

Secondly, I don't think that this rape fantasy is about a realistic rape. It is more something that starts without full concent, but as things come along, it becomes all hot and steamy.

I could be wrong about the second thing :) :)

i disagree with you on 2 things xev

one: treason is bull shit, it is and i don't really care what anyone else thinks, the country is there for the PEOPLE, NOT the people there for the country

two: murder is forgivable in some cases, eg abused people killing there abuses, rape victoms killing there atacker, the guy out of "the power of one" (think its that book), its not pritty or good but it IS forgivable

whoever said that rape is excusable is a FUCKING DICK HEAD

BOTH partys ALWAYS have the right to say no, i don't care if she had ur cock all the way down her throut , if she says no then you STOP

Originally posted by Adam

Sorry ndrs, this makes no sense whatsoever. If one person decides to stop at any time, the other must stop. Why? Follow the very simply logic here. If a friend lets you borrow his car one day, does that mean you can walk in and just take it any time you like, without asking, for ever after? If a person lets you into their house just once, does that mean you can fopr ever after simply walk in and make yourself at home without asking? Obviously not, in both cases. The same applies to our persons. Any time we physically interact with another person, we do so at their express permission, else we should not physically interact with them at all. Any time one says "stop", we must stop, otherwise it is an attack, conceptually akin to continually taking another person's car without asking, but much more serious because in the end our body is our kingdom. If you continue taking without permission, you violate that basic principle of social behaviour, you violate the logic path described herein. To me, the only valid reason for pshyical interaction against another person without their permission is in self-defence or the defence of someone threatened by that person.
I wasn't justifying rape in those cases... I just said it would be forgivable...
It's a similar case to you provocating someone and then complaining that he hit you...
I would never do it myself, I can control myself. But I know a lot of people that can't control themselves (say 33%?), especially at young age. I am not saying that is good, I am just saying that is the way it is... Since most law has to be based on applying the majority of people.
I agree to A4Ever though, they should be put in jail.. but not for life.
asguard: you are right.. treason is BULLSHIT. I can't believe they still prosecute people for it after 50 years or so... (is it capital offence in US? ).

Originally posted by A4Ever
I heard rape is a fantasy of some women. But there is a HUGE difference between an innocent fantasy and acting it out.

Secondly, I don't think that this rape fantasy is about a realistic rape. It is more something that starts without full concent, but as things come along, it becomes all hot and steamy.

I could be wrong about the second thing :) :)


Yeah i know.. and yes its true, at leats one woman finds it a fantasy...
But yeah i always agreeed with you

You did? When did it start? ::

edit: talking bout agreeing with me, not about fantasies.

get tem in a big room, so they can all rape each other!

Ya, great idea! Then they can ALL have AIDS and if they were to escape or be freed - well they can just unleash all their frustrations or poor innocent people. Oh yeah, and give them AIDS.

Get real:rolleyes:

Originally posted by A4Ever
You did? When did it start? ::

edit: talking bout agreeing with me, not about fantasies.

I agreed with you.. before. that other time. You know.... that time

yeah...that thing... euh....

*whistles and looks away* :)

It doesn't matter. It was a joke. But I didn't want you to think I was a pervert asking about your fantasies, hence the edit and the pm.

Since no one wanted to touch the sexually oriented fashion aspect ...

If it could be shown that the wearing of burkahs would reduce the
incident of rape in the general female population by, let's say 50%,
what percentage of females do you think would wear them voluntarily?

And, since something like the wearing of seatbelts can be government-
ally imposed as a public safety matter, would not it apply here too?

Oh, and by the way, I'm referring to the plain, unadorned, single basic
color ones, not the 'in' Versace burkahs.

Take care.

Originally posted by A4Ever
yeah...that thing... euh....

*whistles and looks away* :)

It doesn't matter. It was a joke. But I didn't want you to think I was a pervert asking about your fantasies, hence the edit and the pm.

heheh ahh man, ive learnt its too easy to judge people like that... its cool ... i no your a perveted 80 yr old man in fish nets :p i mean not that theres anythign worng with that!

awrite! :)

there is NOTHING worse than rape

murder is NOTHING in comparison

i am thinking we should bring back the spanish inquisition, they were VERY talented from what i hear

Uniform solutions pretend that the problem is uniform.

In my high school, 80% of the males would have been castrated.

In the US, in the 1990s, there was a slogan that said, "1 in 4 women will be raped in their lifetime: Your mother, your daughter, your wife, or your sister--which would you like it to be?"

I think castration and other such punishments will, actually, foster the rape culture. Given that the majority of rapes are by acquaintances and not strangers, it is already observable that women are less inclined to file charges against acquaintances. This seems to stem from human sympathy; a mistake is made, and nothing justifies a situation, but in the face of castration or execution (we did at one time execute sex offenders in this country) the rape survivor may be less inclined to press charges because the offender is someone they know and fostering that person's death or castration still bugs their conscience. Hell, I've watched "rapes" be later dismissed by women because they don't want the guy to spend his life in jail. It's a bad situation

Virtually everyone I know has performed some act in their lives which could, by extension of existing legal nitpicking, be qualified as a sex offense. Most of these people are not rapists. One of my associates had an underage girlfriend. She's now of age, and they're still together, and seem a healthier couple than most, so I don't think she could imagine castrating him for statutory rape.

As I said, uniform solutions pretend the problem is uniform.

Observably, there are a number of issues a rape survivor has to deal with. An incomplete list:

• Medical: Is the rape survivor pregnant, or newly-infected with a social disease? Either of these anxieties are crushing.
• Security: Someone has just done this; how to not fear it unreasonably in the future is a complex, taxing problem.
•*Social: There is a bizarre stigma that goes along with being a rape survivor. This is the hardest thing to figure out. When your own family starts tiptoeing and stressing about the incident, the rape survivor usually feels some angst arising from a sense of responsibility.

As I said, an incomplete list. The social is part of the problem.

We demonize sexuality in Western culture, an effect of Christianity in general, and Puritanism in the United States. Issues pertaining to sexuality often add unnecessary burdens to the rape survivor. But they also add unnecessary burdens to the rapist.

Seriously: Anyone here like looking up a woman's skirt? What's your f--king problem? Or, to the other hand, why is it such a big deal?

I have to admit, receiving an apology from a woman for being such a slut--for not being a virgin when we were first together--was shocking; how did someone come to conclude themselves a slut for being raped?

But look at how we elevate sexual intercourse in society. Americans, at least, have serious issues that cause us to obsess about sex.

When we stop stigmatizing sexuality, the number of rapes will decrease. A crime-and-punishment solution will not be effective in the face of the current sexual obsession. Has anyone ever known a woman who "liked to be raped"? It's a sticky classification, but I've known one or two. They like to be reckless, like to be taken when they're not in charge of the situation. It is, in fact, a deep psychosis that I have learned I am utterly unable to crack. But it goes something like this: The woman, feeling her urges, is psychologically entrenched against sexuality by social and educational standards. To conduct herself in an irresponsible manner (A) allows sexual intercourse, (B) allows the tortured conscience, and (C) creates a sense of righteousness--as long as it's out of her control, she need not feel it's wrong. She'll be hurt, abused, degraded, and generally wrecked by such conduct, but at that point you can literally watch the reality of human impulse in a knock-down, drag-out catfight with the reality of the human conscience.

This does nothing to justify the rapist. "She wants it," does not suffice as an excuse.

But it does give us some insight as to how deeply sexuality affects people.

On the side of the rapists, we usually put cultural factors in the spotlight. Pornography causes rape, apparently--or so was the argument. I mean, I recall people in the US saying Hustler was responsible for Ted Bundy's acts. In a political argument, I point back to Eden. That part never made sense to me, even as a kid. With nobody to tell them their nakedness was wrong, why did they feel that way? Presumptuous wisdom, but we're not through coping with it.

I recall a bit from Clive Barker's Great and Secret Show in which a character with a lifetime habit of voyeurism had come to appreciate breasts for their diversity, while the vagina seemed to him quite mundane. I had a flash of sympathy the first time I read it. Seriously, I had a girlfriend who used to climb naked into bed and wait for me. We had the most boring sex imaginable. I personally like a taste of the "forbidden", no matter how mundane. That is, lingerie, clothing, whatever. It helps the psychology of recreational sex to engage your imagination a little--what will I find when I unwrap the present?

Were sex merely a naturalistic function, such a condition wouldn't exist. That is, I learned very early on that there was something to peeking up girls' skirts and so forth, and as I blossomed into sexuality (hey, can I get any more McKuen on you?) that aspect of the forbidden transformed into a preference of casual sex.

When I look around at the ideas we pass on to children, and try to make even a basic comparison of magnitude when considering how those prepubescent notions of sexuality (e.g. "the forbidden") affect people, I am sympathetic to the conflict which raises a rapist. That he cannot figure out propriety amid a confusing jumble of desire, standard, action, and the existence of other people does not excuse the act of rape. But it does point out an area where our stigmatization of sexuality is biting us in the ass.

I actually wonder if gang rape isn't the result of severely repressed homosexuality. After all, it's a group of men having a common experience through their penises. I mean, the only admitted gang rapist I ever knew was also in a street gang at one point. They were constantly grabbing and slapping and punching after each other--an almost maniacal need for physical contact 'twixt them. But since they're not into buggery, as such, it might be that gang rape is the only way they can figure to share a sexual experience. It's one possibility.

Furthermore, date rape can be said to be about sex, but more severe rapes are generally said to be about other issues manifesting themselves through sex. To abduct a woman and spend that much effort removing her from place to place seems to fit with the sociological assertion that such rapes are about authority, and not orgasms. The sexuality is merely the most potent manifestation of the need for authority.

And, of course, beyond that are the chemically-determined rapists. Castration may be the only solution available, though given the drugs available to humans these days, I don't see why we couldn't make an anti-Viagra, similar to Anabuse. Imagine getting vomitously ill every time you got horny. If the chemical problem results from a structural issue in the brain, there's not much that can be done. But otherwise, it might be possible to train sex offenders through Pavlovian methods.

But the charging rhinoceri have arrived, so it's time for me to step off my soapbox.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

there is NO WORSE CRIME THAN RAPE

ESPECIALLY of a CHILD

the amount of rapes and sexual abuse of CHILDREN seen in the paper is APALING

statitory rape is one thing, REAL rape is another

there maybe excuses for staitory rape (like she told me she was 16) for rape there is NO EXCUSE

the amount of rapes and sexual abuse of CHILDREN seen in the paper is APALINGThe good news is that we're not really seeing an increase in the abuse of children. The bad news is that we're merely finding out how bad it always was. A footnote from history:
Volenti non fit injuria, is a maxim of the law. To the willing, no injury is done. That is, no legal wrong. And every person who is sane, compos mentis, capable of exercising reasonable discretion in judging of the truth or falsehood of the representations or persuasion to which he yields his assent, is "willing," in the view of the law,; and takes upon himself the entire responsibility for his acts, when no intentional fraud has been practised upon him.

This principle, that to the willing no injury is done, has no limit, except in the case of frauds, or of persons not possessed of reasonable discretion for judging in the particular case. If a person possessed of reasonable discretion, and not deceived by fraud, consents to practise the grossest vice, and thereby brings upon himself the greatest moral, physical, or pecuniary sufferings or losses, he cannot allege that he has been legally wronged. To illustrate this principle, take the case of rape. To have carnal knowledge of a woman, against her will, is the highest crime, next to murder, that can be committed against her. but to have carnal knowledge of her, with her consent, is no crime; but at most, a vice. And it is usually holden that a female child, of no more than ten years of age, has such reasonable discretion, that her consent, even though procured by rewards, or promises of reward, is sufficient to convert the act, which would otherwise be a high crime, into a simple act of vice.°

•*•*•*•*•

° The statute book of Massachusetts makes ten years the age at which a female child is supposed to have discretion enough to part with her virtue. But the same statute book holds that no person, man or woman, of any age, or any degree of wisdom or experience, has discretion enough to be trusted to buy and drink a glass of spirits, on his or her own judgement! What an illustration of the legislative wisdom of Massachusetts!From Lysander Spooner, Vices are not Crimes: A Vindication of Moral Liberty, 1875 (http://www.mind-trek.com/treatise/ls-vanc.htm)

In other words, making a prostitute out of a 10 year-old was legal in Massachusetts in 1875. It's a sad history we must face honestly in order to divorce ourselves from it in practice, and not merely through moral revulsion.

Amazing, isn't it?
i am thinking we should bring back the spanish inquisition, they were VERY talented from what i hearThere's a tremendous amount of irony in that, you know. :D

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

yes i know

an ex catholic who is against the DP as a punishment saying we should use the spanish inquisition as a punishment for rapests

Rapists? Choppy choppy. Public example. Preferrably with their pants off :mad:

There is no other retribution for the loss of dignity and self confidence involved in getting raped.

Do something like in Scarlet Letter, make them wear something that separates them from society. So no one goes near them or socializes with them. They aren't allowed to go here and there, discriminate against rapers (ie raping children and so on, the horrible rapes).

They don't deserve to live like humans, they are lower despicable life-forms.

If it could be shown that the wearing of burkahs would reduce the incident of rape in the general female population by, let's say 50%, what percentage of females do you think would wear them voluntarily?

I've been baited, here is my response -

If it could be shown that castration of men would reduce the incident of rape in the general female population by, let's say 100%, what percentage of males do you think would be castrated voluntarily?

Take care.
Teri

Interesting response. Am I to take it then that you equate the inability of a female to display her body to male castration? Otherwise why would you reply to my question in that particular manner? But since you did, my reply would have to be: An equal percentage no doubt.

Oh, and by the way, castration, unless total, does not prevent rape. Just thought you should know perchance you try to convince your SO to go that route.

Take care ;)

Am I to take it then that you equate the inability of a female to display her body to male castration? Otherwise why would you reply to my question in that particular manner? But since you did, my reply would have to be: An equal percentage no doubt.

What causes rape? The desire to fuck or the desire to dominate?

Or both? Or neither?

Who cares whta causes it? Everyone has free will. They choose to do it. Kill them.

Or maybe lock them away. Whatever.

I'm not sure what you mean by your first question, but it wasn't meant to equate castration to hiding the female body in any way.

My response originated from the suggestion that women should have to cover themselves up to possibly obtain a 50/50 chance of not being raped by a male who has no self control.

No one has mentioned in this thread that rape is usually about power. And for a man to overpower a woman and think himself strong or powerful, in any sense, just shows his own ineptness (if that's a word). I wanted to put the word 'stupidity' there but I need to think that through, because I'm not sure it's the appropriate adjective for this debate.

Peace to you.
Cheers.
Teri

PS. How have you been, my friend?

Adam:

I care and think it should be studied. And if you don't agree, well, you just suck. :p

Seriously, I'm all for your solution. But will that solve the underlying problem?

hey all

WOW
what an immotive response by the supposed intellectuals!!!

tiassa...
you amaze me again by your ballanced rendering of such
missdirected revenge.

i can only hope someone read it and understood it and then could only but learn.
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QUOTE FROM...??? well you know who.
No one has mentioned in this thread that rape is usually about power. And for a man to overpower a woman and think himself strong or powerful, in any sense, just shows his own ineptness
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this is by no means pointing the finger but mearly a reminder to me of an important point i feel is over looked.

this concept actualy reinforces that women are not equal to men!!!
yet maybe the auther did not mean /understand it exactly...
(i hope)

you know the one thing i think no one has asked yet is...

WHO ARE THE MOTHERS OF THE RAPIST?
likewise the FATHERS.

when women stop smacking babby boys then men will stop smacking baby girls!!!!!!!

but for some reason women like to be able to smack/slap/hit
men and think they should be able to "take it"
untill this issue is addressed you havn't a hope in hell of redressing the issue.

IF WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO SOLVE VIOLENCE WITH VIOLENCE THEN WE ONLY MAKE VIOLENCE "NORMAL"
self defence is a completly different issue.

once people are not affraid to face thier own mental illnesses then we can start to deal with all the others

Chagur... once again you hit a nail on the head :D
there are many nails in this one!
CLASSIC EXAMPLE =
girl is taught by her big sister or mother what she has to do to attract a boy!
and she looks to the magazines to see what she has to wear!
BUT she wants to walk down the main street as a 12 year old wearing a mini skirt giving sexual come on signals but only wants the perfect "one" boy to look at her!
COME ON GIRLS!!!
when are you going to put 1 and 1 together?
if you foster an enviroment of mental illness why be supprised at all the crazzys that come out of the wood work???

and then... you have the other issue that "big brother/bussines"
uses sexuality to promote insecurity to sell products!!!

now you know your ABC s'
do you choose to walk and risk the fall or do you just want to be a victim soo bad because it takes away the responsability to fix the worlds problems from your own "back yard, starting line"???
the grass is only greener because of the mental illnes most carry!

good luck all
it would be nice to see government finacial support to all rape crissis centres but that just isnt the capitalistic way...is it!!!

groove on all :)
peace, love, and missery to all greed merchants~!

ps

what is it on a women that we can "CHOP OFF" if she commits a sexual offence?

can anyone answer that???

:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:

This poll was a little biased - only the extremes seemed to be represented. Exile? Is that a viable punishment these days?

It's well and good to philosophize about rapists, as if they were a class of people, but it's another to see it happen. I never have, but if my wife was being attacked (such a safe synonym), that man would die. So much the better if I had a gun in my hand. I'm pretty liberal, but I'm not stupid liberal. We have a gun (a gun, one only, not a fetish) in our house, and I support guns for the reason that the founders of the country gave me that right, and that I do have a family. Every other right these days has just about been taken... Ditto a burglar. I can't take the chance he's armed, and then me and then my whole family is in danger. For a married man to think otherwise is just dumb.

Rape is a crime second only to murder in my opinion but it is also a form of mental abberation that society has every right to correct AND punish. It shouldn't be cruel, as in pain, but it should be mental and coercive.

That being said, I'm not fully sold on the death penalty. We can put men on the moon and stand as a brilliant culture in some ways, but we can't come up with a way for a man to suffer hard labor for a long time, if for life even? Is the best we can do having them do operator assistance for telephone companies and do laundry? Is is so difficult to make him actually PAY for what he did, in man-hours.? We don't like to think of man-hours, a person being useful. We like them to rot, HARD time, but they either get raped themselves in a culture of rot, meantime a harmless kid wo ripped off a car is getting raped. This is another form of rape we don't like to think about, because we like to think everyone is prison deserves what they get but the truth is they don't. All we do is end up dumping more rotten trash on the street, most of them for another cycle of violence and crime. Besides hard labor, I tell you what I also believe in: chemical castration and chemical brain manipulation for violent, and violent only criminals. He gave up the right to his mind the minute he committed the crime, or more ethically, the second he is pronounced guilty by a fair jury trial. If this guy's only got the drive and mental capacity of a eunuch, programmed to bag groceries the rest of his life after twenty years of hard labor and brainwashing, then I'm just fine with that. The man was lucky because there was no one with a gun nearby. If that sounds harsh, then picture the person you love most suffering this grave crime. This society's so backward in places, a rapist can get out of prison in a few years, while a judge has got his hand tied to sentence a harmless punk with a sheet of acid to ten years or more.

Pick a better country, he says.

I know the above sounds like a slippery slope, and I say that's reality, it's never flat and level. Will our society ever reach the maturity and restraint to separate violent and non-violent crime?

John Le Coq

here here
on most counts
except to mention one more idiotic point most seem to gloss over

what level of proof is needed to convic a murderer or rapist?
the testomony of a 5year old.
when will we see total recal in public use?

i know its out there its just a tool for the quaks at the mo to play with.

surely if we combine the high tech non destructive methods of interigation allong with ?

well it just seems that we must always take the womens word for it.
we need more of them shot in the act!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just like home invasion
all we have to do is have a
"off the front garden path rule after businnes hours"
and then give the money that would have been spent on the incarsiration to the victim.
but we must identify who is the victim
if that is the wife and kds of the rapist then so be it.
or do we shoot them aswell?
how many women know thier husband or boy friend is a violent offender?
that is the issue women don't want to takle!!!

and i think you have the right idea ...almost ...
about the hard labour thing
if we want to have our pound of flesh then make the jews pay for it!!!
if we want justice make the criminal produce in a island type jail and all the profit goes to the victim or victims family...
money profit that is!!!
and they never come back to civilisation....
much like the poor people in the slums all over the world :/
and we could have very easy to follow rules
everywhere is on camera in the jails
no privacey at all
and if you try to escape you are shot on sight
if you start a fight you are shot on sight
if you threaten anyone you are shot on sight
IT COULD BE ALL SOO SIMPLE IF ONLY PEOPLE WERE HONEST!!!
BUT THEY ARE NOT SO WE cannot HAVE true justice untill the truth is the law in public society.
and we all know "big bussines" wil never have that!!!
so where does that leave us???
sorry to sound if im closing out the conversation.

groove on all

:)

look

Guns=acidantly killing you wife or husband because your pissed or pissed OFF

Murder is the LESSER crime of the 2. After all, we ALL will die

DP = BAD

anyone read the power of one?

GOD that is a powerful book

Rape IS the worst crime there is (especially rape of a child)

It would hard to be ethically argue against what is worse, murder or rape. There are varying degrees of each. Which is worse: a rape of a small child or the murder of a battering husband? The rape of a woman by her own boyfriend, or the premeditated murder of a small child? Now ask yourself: would you rather be killed or raped? Perhaps my statement :second only to... is meaningless, yet I did not mean they were far apart in most cases.

Now for the equation guns=accidentally killing...

Cars=accidentally dying by the thousands, in greater numbers

Wars=...?

Acetominophen=...?

Do you have a family?

Guns in the hands of citizens = that last final step the government has to get over to achieve totalitarianism.

Yes it would be nice if no one had guns. However, the world is saturated with them now, no thanks to the U.S. I know, but I see a pistol in the hands of a competent citizen (I do support background checks) far less of a threat than most other artifacts of the industrial age.

John Le Coq

"girl is taught by her big sister or mother what she has to do to attract a boy!
and she looks to the magazines to see what she has to wear!
BUT she wants to walk down the main street as a 12 year old wearing a mini skirt giving sexual come on signals but only wants the perfect "one" boy to look at her"

Ug. Didn't we drive this 'It's her fault!' sentiment out of Alabama long ago?

unfortunatley......

it is not men who force women to wear what they wear!

try not to be the victim all your life!

you need to take responsability for your actions!!!

i did not say it "is her fault she got raped"
that is a fear in your heart that has been exploited by homosexual feminists!

its just that the average citizen is not intelegent enough to understand the total psyche of what drives the bigger picture...
and thats only if you could find someone who cared to spend the time researching it in a fare and unbiased manner.

most people just dont give a damn and think you are rude to even bring up the subject
and then try and label you as a pedophile for thinking about it!!!

now you have imasculated all the men you dont have any big brothers or fathers to go and deal to the trouble makers!!!

happy now???

or are you looking for the american G.I bad boy gangster to be your turnaround "god deciple" so you can pretend to have a consience by twisting a criminal into a perverted criminal?

or is that a hipocritical christian....?
sorry i loose track of what they call themselfs!
most women these days (men aswell) have no idea what virtues are or honour and think that if they can just do nothing then they are contributing to the world!
think once
think twice
think good old american bad boy gangster hero!!!
what a total F__KUP of a cultural role model.
no wonder the chineese/muslim/hindu/on and on, like you soo much (sarcasim)
how many enemys does the U.S.A have?
notice they are all mostly from ALL religions!

and the cow jumped over the moon(rediculouse coment in respect of rediculouse situation)
can we change either of them? (impossible of coarse)
you cant help those who dont want help!!!!
but i hope you continue to think about it and grow and learn.
THE FAMILY UNIT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT "THING" FOR HUMAN DEVELOPMENT!

why do you think big bussiness pushes individuality soo much???
it fosters sales from security systems to an extra car!!!!

groove on all
peace...love...and missery to all greed merchants.

PS

LOOK AT WHAT IS ON THE COVER OF MOST "WOMENS MAGAZINES"

NOT A NAKED MAN!!!

BUT A PICTURE OF WHAT A WOMEN SHOULD LOOK LIKE TO BE NOTICED!!!

Originally posted by Tyler
"girl is taught by her big sister or mother what she has to do to attract a boy!
and she looks to the magazines to see what she has to wear!
BUT she wants to walk down the main street as a 12 year old wearing a mini skirt giving sexual come on signals but only wants the perfect "one" boy to look at her"

Ug. Didn't we drive this 'It's her fault!' sentiment out of Alabama long ago?

I dont think thats what he means Tyler... Rape is a crime regardless of the provocation, we're perfectly aware of that.

To those of us who get plenty, then it isn't an issue really. But what of those who don't? You can't see their judgement being clouded in a case like this? A male not thinking of sex at that moment suddenly IS... in a big way.

To dismiss this point with some cutesy redneck comment is blind and a little stupid.

hey all


squid dude!!!!
until you know the difference between love and lust you cant assume such conformist crap about the human heart!

im not trying to sound nasty or suggest you are less than anything but i must bring to your attention the
FEMINISTIC/HOMOSEXUAL THEORY
"we men are slaves to our lust/sex drive"

what a sad concept.
problem is, is that it is true, in allot of men;
but they are not the superior men of the human species and sadder than that is,
most women have no idea about such things as to be able to pick/(prance around infront hoping he will sexualy aproach and offer you an all expenses paid trip to 'castle cash') in his ferrarie.

to a life of liesure and many slaves at your beckonned call.

so we have a 2 fold equation
women who think all men are the same and so sellout
men who think women are all the same and so sellout
this greatly reduces the population of honest caring
LOVING people who will not jump up and down and try and preach to those who dont seem to have a clue and disrespect you for trying to help them learn.

except in my case because im just soo damn crazzy i like to torment people with things they try to ignore :D
and have no ego hangup to get in the way :D

soo call me the crazzy one and crawl back into your box cos
im poking fun at the world untill i get bored and need to waste something.

when and if anyone cares to think about this stuff just ask your self one simple question
"is all we are only, all that we do"???

groove on all

:)

Rapists deserves to be tied down, have gas poured on their privates, and be burned off in front the victims family. Then the family is allowed to do what they want with him, using any kind of device of their choosing. :D

FREE R KELLY!!!!

FREE R KELLY!!!!

another thread goes to the dogs!!!!!!
ruled by labido and fueled by blood lust.

too bad soo sad

the quickening grows closer!

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
another thread goes to the dogs!!!!!!
ruled by labido and fueled by blood lust.

too bad soo sad

the quickening grows closer!

FREE R KELLY!!!!!!

What right do we have to chop off a mans penis? What if it's a woman rapist? Don't be so sexist.

P.S I'm a man and I'm not gay

Originally posted by ripleofdeath
hey all


squid dude!!!!
until you know the difference between love and lust you cant assume such conformist crap about the human heart!

im not trying to sound nasty or suggest you are less than anything but i must bring to your attention the
FEMINISTIC/HOMOSEXUAL THEORY
"we men are slaves to our lust/sex drive"

what a sad concept.
problem is, is that it is true, in allot of men;
but they are not the superior men of the human species and sadder than that is,
most women have no idea about such things as to be able to pick/(prance around infront hoping he will sexualy aproach and offer you an all expenses paid trip to 'castle cash') in his ferrarie.

to a life of liesure and many slaves at your beckonned call.

so we have a 2 fold equation
women who think all men are the same and so sellout
men who think women are all the same and so sellout
this greatly reduces the population of honest caring
LOVING people who will not jump up and down and try and preach to those who dont seem to have a clue and disrespect you for trying to help them learn.

except in my case because im just soo damn crazzy i like to torment people with things they try to ignore :D
and have no ego hangup to get in the way :D

soo call me the crazzy one and crawl back into your box cos
im poking fun at the world untill i get bored and need to waste something.

when and if anyone cares to think about this stuff just ask your self one simple question
"is all we are only, all that we do"???

groove on all

:)

No kidding ripple... What I was pointing out was that, although some of us are fully aware of such things and would never consider rape in any form, OTHERS are not so damn perfect. there are a lot of human beings on this planet and quite a large percentage of them are either very, very dumb, or very animalistic (if not both).

This being the case, a girl who dresses provocatively, whether or not she knows what she is doing and more importantly, WHETHER OR NOT SHE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO IN SAFETY, is taking chances. I'm not judging her, I am stating a fact. I was having a go at Tyler because he seemingly wished to dismiss this fact, due to him not liking it. None of us do, but it remains.

Zoidberg, Ripleofdeath, et alia who have asked this astonishingly stupid question that makes me want to laugh, cry, and strangle somone at the same time due to the sheer lack of intellect that it betrays:


What right do we have to chop off a mans penis? What if it's a woman rapist? Don't be so sexist.


what is it on a women that we can "CHOP OFF" if she commits a sexual offence?

We've heard of the clitoris, right? Right? PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TELL ME THAT YOU ARE NOT THIS STUPID?!

Latexlover: I like you. :) Welcome to Sciforums. Really, this is a poor representation of the intellectual level here.

ripleofdeath:

now you have imasculated all the men you dont have any big brothers or fathers to go and deal to the trouble makers

happy now???

or are you looking for the american G.I bad boy gangster to be your turnaround "god deciple" so you can pretend to have a consience by twisting a criminal into a perverted criminal?

Huh? I believe I have a father. I think all humans do. Actually, all sexually reproducing animals have fathers.

Please seek psychiatric help.

Originally posted by Xev
We've heard of the clitoris, right? Right? PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TELL ME THAT YOU ARE NOT THIS STUPID?!

Latexlover: I like you. :) Welcome to Sciforums. Really, this is a poor representation of the intellectual level here.

Xev different women have different clitoris sizes. Some have them so small, you can't possible cut them off. Plus, I love them, they are like miniature dicks :D


Please seek psychiatric help.

You better not be a lesbian!! If you are go seek psychiatric help also Xev ;) Lesbians aren't sexy :p

Chosen:

Xev different women have different clitoris sizes. Some have them so small, you can't possible cut them off. Plus, I love them, they are like miniature dicks

Oh, no, I'm sure that one could.


You better not be a lesbian!!

Gee, just would ruin your chances, some 6000 miles away.

I'm attracted to both sexes.


If you are go seek psychiatric help also Xev

They are coming to take me away, ha ha!


Lesbians aren't sexy

You'll have to take that up with the other 3 billion males on the planet.....:p

Originally posted by Xev
Gee, just would ruin your chances, some 6000 miles away.

I'm attracted to both sexes.

Every women in their entire lifetime would involve in some homosexuality...weird...my theory is there aren't enough men out there to please them...and the same sex knows exactly how to please the same sex...:p

Chances? :confused: You already lost yours being 6,000 miles away baby ;)


You'll have to take that up with the other 3 billion males on the planet.....:p

Yes, they are sexy but that's only the cover, men are thinking with their smaller heads!!

Just wait until they date a woman and have a relationship with this woman, just to find out she is a lez. :o

You mean date a bisexual chosen? I don't think too many lesbians want to date men unless it's to try and become straight out of fear of their parents rejecting their homosexuality (oh my god, that WTN movie DID teach me something!).

The bisexual thing though. It's been done.

Chosen:

Every women in their entire lifetime would involve in some homosexuality...weird...my theory is there aren't enough men out there to please them...and the same sex knows exactly how to please the same sex...

Not at all weird. I suspect that there are few true heterosexuals.


Just wait until they date a woman and have a relationship with this woman, just to find out she is a lez.

There there now.

*Pats Chosen on the back*

Tyler:

(oh my god, that WTN movie DID teach me something!).

*Snickers*

I hope that my life is irrevocably changed by women's television one day. ;)

Originally posted by Tyler
You mean date a bisexual chosen? I don't think too many lesbians want to date men unless it's to try and become straight out of fear of their parents rejecting their homosexuality (oh my god, that WTN movie DID teach me something!).

The bisexual thing though. It's been done.

Well, what I meant was bisexual (dating me) but I would call lesbian if she swings more towards the other way.

I personally dislike bisexuals yet find them very attractive. I've dated one...I just guess it's the challenge to turning them straight again...I was so insulted as a man when that bitch chose her female "friend" over me (seducing is so much harder and it actually fails too when she does it back, when eliciting fantasies...she pictures not me but her female friend and me :mad:...greatest challenge yet...to conquer the bisexuals and show them who's the real man!

But never have a loving "truthful" relationship with'em, waste of time.

Hmmf. I believe you are quite missing the point in relationships.

I believe the thing is to concentrate on building a solid relationship, one that is based on trust and not purely on sex appeal or sex.

Personally, I would not mind much if my girlfriend were bisexual. It is kinda hard to feel jealous of another woman :D :D

Maybe I'm just weird. HEck, why am I posting here.


Xev!? You are bisexual???? Why, that makes you so totally... ...

...

... ...attractive to me!

If I caught her in bed with another man I would definitely go berserk. But I would not mind if I caught her in bed with another woman. Not at all. I would be fascinated, and I would make careful observations. :D

Wait, did that sound a bit sick??

I think we should give the rapist the axe so they should rape anymore and make them an example.