Someone asked in another thread "Why do you guys hate Bushy? What has he done that's so stupid?"

So that's my question. Can anyone list the things G. W. Bush has done or said which are incredibly stupid?

He fucked over Australia (the metal tariffs)

He fucked over canada (how he dealt with the dead solders)

will let someone else have a turn now

Originally posted by Asguard
He fucked over Australia (the metal tariffs)

He is trying to encourage free trade by discouraging illegal dumping of foreign steel so we can have free trade again and fair competition again.

It is also a politically calculated move. He knows how many votes will win and how many votes he will lose from this. He wants the republicans to win the midterm election so he gets his senate back. Don't tell me the Democrates would not have done the same.

1. Everything he says sounds stupid, he can barely string together a coherent sentence.
2. He LOOKS stupid, ever watch him, no matter what is being said, he always has this look of total incomprehension on his dumbfuck monkey face.
3. He tried to restart the cold war, but with the Chinese this time.
4. He totally pissed away a budget surplus and immediately delved into Social Security funds, which he said he would not do.
5. After years of a balanced budget and the development of a budget surplus, he is in office for less than a year and we are back to Reagan era deficit spending.
6. Tried to resurrect "Star Wars" program, but with a new name (yeah, we were alllllll fooled, Dubya) in an effort to restart the arms race.
7. When two planes hit on 9/11, carrying 15 Saudi and 4 Pakestani terrorists, he bombed...wait for it...Afghanistan!!! I wonder how WW2 would have turned out if FDR, after Peal Harbor, had run off and bombed Peru in order to secure an oil pipeline for his business associates, rather than going after the actual culprits.
8. He is trying really hard to kill public schools with his voucher programs.

Is that enough for you?

Originally posted by Northwind
2. He LOOKS stupid, ever watch him, no matter what is being said, he always has this look of total incomprehension on his dumbfuck monkey face.

Sorry, I know it's not really... ah, screw it, that's funny. :)

I have a bit of respect for the way he handled 9/11 - however -

Appointing that moron Ashcroft.

Supporting a ban on human cloning - fucking idiot.

His 'faith based charities' - which undermine the separation of church and state and are only an excuse to cut funding for real social programs.

He looks like a chimpanzee!! (http://www.bushorchimp.com/)

Google 'Bushisms'.

"They misunderestimated me."
--Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet."
--Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000

('Dark Dungeons of the internet'? What the hell? Is our president frequenting S&M porn sites?!)

"Mr. Vice President, in all due respect, it is-I'm not sure 80 percent of the people get the death tax. I know this: 100 percent will get it if I'm the president."
--Third Presidential Debate

(Oh shit)

"Our priorities is our faith."
--Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 10, 2000

(That's always nice to know)

"The fact that he relies on facts-says things that are not factual-are going to undermine his campaign."
--New York Times, March 4, 2000

(Dear sweet christ)

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
---Reuters, May 5, 2000 (Thanks to Allison Fansler.)

(A thought worthy of Adam Smith)

From http://commonplacebook.com/humor/currentevents/bushisms.shtm

Xev,

I have a bit of respect for the way he handled 9/11 - however -

How did he handle 9/11?? You mean how he ran into Afganistan like a retarded cowboy to put into place a sympathetic government that will allow him to build his oil pipeline??? Or how he took a crap on the US Constitution??

Don't forget that the person that Bush claims is responsible for 9/11, still hasn't been caught. And the person who is responsible(Sadam), is living it up because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict(thanks to Bush's uninvolvement in the Middle-East for 15 months).

Tom

I don't judge people by the way they talk or look so he doesn't really bother me. That is pretty shallow in my humble opinion. I have seen plenty of brilliant people who look and talk stupid.

I did not vote in last election. I didn't think Bush is that great but I absolutely can't trust Gore. Integrity is my number one criteria. I don't trust anyone associated with the Clintons. To me Gore is worse than Bush. What we lacked in our last election is a real candidate.

So far I like how Bush handled war on terrorism. I like how he handled the economy which he did absolutely nothing. Staying out of the economy is the correct action. I don't think the Democrates would have saved the budget. I think a lot of criticisms toward Bush is unfair because the Democrates would not have done any better and when people criticise they don't offer better solutions.

Yeah missle defense is dumb. Starting an arm race with China is dumb, but each party does its own dumb things. Until we have a successful third party movement or a better system, our government will always do dumb things. Politicians will always work for people who gave them campaign contributions. It doesn't matter republicans or democrates.

Joeman,

I didn't think Bush is that great but I absolutely can't trust Gore. Integrity is my number one criteria. I don't trust anyone associated with the Clintons. To me Gore is worse than Bush.

I could never understand people like you. You say that Bush has more integrity than Gore, but I don't see the evidence.

All I can see is that Bush cares about no one but himself. He lacks morals or ethics. The only good thing about Bush is that he is not evil. Unfortunately, the only reason he's not evil is because he's not smart enough to be evil.

As far as I'm concerned, Bush is just an inexperienced, uneducated, and immoral retard.

Even Gore, as cold as he is, shows concern for the "common man". I'm still waiting for Bush to show any concern for anyone else besides large oil companies.

Tom

Originally posted by Prosoothus
Joeman,

I could never understand people like you. You say that Bush has more integrity than Gore, but I don't see the evidence.

All I can see is that Bush cares about no one but himself. He lacks morals or ethics. The only good thing about Bush is that he is not evil. Unfortunately, the only reason he's not evil is because he's not smart enough to be evil.

As far as I'm concerned, Bush is just an inexperienced, uneducated, and immoral retard.

Even Gore, as cold as he is, shows concern for the "common man". I'm still waiting for Bush to show any concern for anyone else besides large oil companies.

Tom

I can never understand why people like me is so hard to understand. I always thought Bush is moral and genuine. Bush benefit the large oil companies like the way the democrates benefit accountants and trial lawyers. It is the exact same thing.

Gore seems to me is more like a political robot. He shows concern for the common man because it is a calculated move. Everything he does is calculated and he works for the poll number. He explores ethnic minorities and create division between races. I hate racial politics which has gotten worse and worse. Clinton brand of racial politics is now forcing Bush to make a bad decision which is to grant amnesty to all illegal immigrants.

Joeman,



Gore seems to me is more like a political robot. He shows concern for the common man because it is a calculated move. Everything he does is calculated and he works for the poll number. He explores ethnic minorities and create division between races. I hate racial politics which has gotten worse and worse. Clinton brand of racial politics is now forcing Bush to make a bad decision which is to grant amnesty to all illegal immigrants.

I basically agree with you. But I consider competence, not integrity, to be the most important qualification for President. If you can't run the country correctly, you're integrity is irrelevent.

Neither Gore nor Bush may have integrity, but Gore, unlike Bush, is competent to be president.

I personally like democrats better than republicans because I perceive democrats supporting the underdog(American people) more than the republicans. Even though the democrats' hearts may be in the wrong place(as you pointed out), the results of their actions are often beneficial.

Unfortunately, Bush is neither a democrat nor a republican. As you have indicated, it appears that Bush took the worst from the democrats and the republicans. He is truly the worst of both worlds.

Tom

Originally posted by Prosoothus
Joeman,
I basically agree with you. But I consider competence, not integrity, to be the most important qualification for President. If you can't run the country correctly, you're integrity is irrelevent.

Neither Gore nor Bush may have integrity, but Gore, unlike Bush, is competent to be president.

I personally like democrats better than republicans because I perceive democrats supporting the underdog(American people) more than the republicans. Even though the democrats' hearts may be in the wrong place(as you pointed out), the results of their actions are often beneficial.

Unfortunately, Bush is neither a democrat nor a republican. As you have indicated, it appears that Bush took the worst from the democrats and the republicans. He is truly the worst of both worlds.

Tom

No way. A competent man without any integrity is so dangerous. I have absolutely no doubt Gore is more competent than Bush, but I absolutely don't trust him. I don't trust him with our nuclear secret. What if the Saudis said I will give you a billion dollar of campaign contribution and you give us your nuclear secret? What if Red China say we give you money and you help us conquering Taiwan? Can you even imagine our own president on someone else's payroll? That is what happened to Clinton. He was bought by the Chinese and Indonesian businessman and he got away with it. There is no reason for me to believe Gore won't do the same thing. President doesn't run the country all by himself. He has a team of advisors and cabinet members. A president doesn't always call his own shot. Almost all his decisions are based on the consensus of his advising team. I wasn't too worried about his competence. To me integrity is the most important criteria of all. Besides Gore is not the same without Dick Morris. That man is brilliant but he fired him.

If Bush is an idiot and a monkey, why did he win the election? The country was in such an excellent shape why couldn't Gore win? Gore fucked up big time. It was his election to lose, but he self destruct. It was the biggest choke job I have ever seen in my life by a politician. He can't even win his home state. Gore should have won by a landslide, but people simply don't trust him.

Why don;t you trust gore? because he was in the clinton administration? Because the Pres lies about fucking an intern you dont trust the VP? Thats about what im getting here.

If Bush is an idiot and a monkey, why did he win the election?

I know this is a technicality but he lost the popular vote and only won because of the damn electotral college.

Originally posted by Neutrino_Albatross
Why don;t you trust gore? because he was in the clinton administration? Because the Pres lies about fucking an intern you dont trust the VP? Thats about what im getting here.


Why do you trust Gore? He lied so many times that he doesn't have a credible bone left in his body. In fact he has always maintained a 15 point lead over Bush until they headed into the debate. His popularity went up right after the debate since he won the debate but started to slide after people began to pick apart his statements.


I know this is a technicality but he lost the popular vote and only won because of the damn electotral college.

That is not what I was getting at. Gore should have won easily. It shouldn't even have gone down to the wires.

Joeman,


I have absolutely no doubt Gore is more competent than Bush, but I absolutely don't trust him. I don't trust him with our nuclear secret. What if the Saudis said I will give you a billion dollar of campaign contribution and you give us your nuclear secret? What if Red China say we give you money and you help us conquering Taiwan? Can you even imagine our own president on someone else's payroll? That is what happened to Clinton. He was bought by the Chinese and Indonesian businessman and he got away with it. There is no reason for me to believe Gore won't do the same thing.

You can't judge a VP based on the Presidents actions. You're basically claiming that Gore is guilty by association.

Even if we were to assume that Gore lacks integrity, why do you think that Bush is any better?? From observing their histories, Bush clearly demonstrated that he didn't care about anything in his entire life except himself. Gore, on the other hand, did not have to become a politician to have power. Gore could have become the CEO of a company just as easily(something Bush couldn't do because of his lack of grey matter). I believe that Gore chose to become a politician because he truly cares about things other than just himself.

President doesn't run the country all by himself. He has a team of advisors and cabinet members. A president doesn't always call his own shot. Almost all his decisions are based on the consensus of his advising team.

I wish you are right, but your not. Some people tend to fall back on this idea once they realize that they elected a moron into office. I personally believed this, as well, until Bush got elected and started fucking things up(excuse the language, but I couldn't find a better word). This idea isn't valid because really dumb people don't see themselves as being dumb. You have to really know alot before you understand how little you know.

The other problem with dumb people is that when they reach a high level of power they get the "God Complex". They seem forget the fact, if they ever knew it in the first place, that responsibility goes hand-in-hand with power, and just because they're in a powerful position, doesn't mean that they deserve to be there.

Tom

Originally posted by Prosoothus
You can't judge a VP based on the Presidents actions. You're basically claiming that Gore is guilty by association.

If you lay down with dogs you get fleas. That is why Gore tried very hard not to associate with the Clintons, but the problem is he has the same exact advising team - Stephanopolous, Carvell, etc.. Gore doesn't have enough knowledge to call all the shots all by himself.


I wish you are right, but your not. Some people tend to fall back on this idea once they realize that they elected a moron into office.
what made you think Bush is a moron?

Joeman,

What made you think Bush is a moron?

You're question frightens me. I keep finding that alot people can't tell the difference between someone who is intelligent and someone who is retarded.

I don't consider myself special, but I can tell a persons intelligence by listening to him/her for five minutes or less. From listening to George Bush Jr., I concluded that he has an IQ in the range of 90-95. This is in the mildly retarded range(100 being average).

I guess that the emotions of most people must cloud their ability to determine the intelligence of the person they're listening to.

Tom

Originally posted by Prosoothus
I don't consider myself special, but I can tell a persons intelligence by listening to him/her for five minutes or less. From listening to George Bush Jr., I concluded that he has an IQ in the range of 90-95. This is in the mildly retarded range(100 being average).

I don't consider myself special either, but there is more to intelligence besides just grammar and vocabulary. I don't judge someone solely by the way they speak or look. Other things that determine someone's IQ include memorization, visualization, logic & reasoning, analyzation, information construction and deconstruction.... I know there is a lot more. If you take an IQ exam you know there is more to just language itself.

Personally my English blows, but English is not my first language and actually not my second language either. What's funny is a lot of time someone perceives me to be really stupid because of my English and jumped on me as soon as they can like I am an easy target. After I clean their clocks they begin to apply grammar and spelling smacks out of frustration :D

Okay back to Bush. I don't judge him just by the way he speaks and I actually think quite intelligent with his politically calculated moves and how he handled War on Terror and Tom Daschel.

Joeman,

I don't judge someone solely by the way they speak or look. Other things that determine someone's IQ include memorization, visualization, logic & reasoning, analyzation, information construction and deconstruction.... I know there is a lot more.

All the things you have mentioned above can be observed by listening to the person speak.

I've been to many countries and listened to many people speak to me in broken English. I learned to tell the difference between someone who has a language problem and someone who has reasoning difficulties. I found that Bush has both.

I don't judge him just by the way he speaks and I actually think quite intelligent with his politically calculated moves and how he handled War on Terror and Tom Daschel.

Don't even get me started on what I think about his "War on Terror".

I honestly believe that the government knew about the 9/11 hijackings ahead of time, and intentionally didn't do anything to prevent them. I also believe that Osama Bin Laden is not responsible for 9/11. I think that Bush was after Bin Laden not because he was responsible, but because he lived in Afganistan, and the US government really wanted to eliminate the Taliban.

The reason the US government wanted to get rid of the Taliban was so that they could have a more sympathetic government that would allow Bush's oil friends to build an oil pipeline through Afganistan.

Even if you were to assume that Osama Bin Laden was responsible, and Bush didn't have ulterior motives, the fact is that they still haven't caught him. Doesn't that make you sleep well at night??

Tom

try the way he handled the deaths of his OWN allies

"yea i spoke to the canadian PM"

Thanks for comming even tho you didn't have to

Sorry we blew you up

STUPID

Originally posted by Prosoothus

All the things you have mentioned above can be observed by listening to the person.

I've been to many countries and listened to many people speak to me in broken English. I learned to tell the difference between someone who has a language problem and someone who has reasoning difficulties. I found that Bush has both.

I used to think the same way you do. I have met too many people who look, act, and talk stupid, but they turn out to be extremely smart. I have been burned too many times. 5 minutes like you said is not enough time. In fact I have a friend who grew up in a trailer and talk and act like a hick, but he goes to MIT.


I honestly believe that the government knew about the 9/11 hijackings ahead of time, and intentionally didn't do anything to prevent them. I also believe that Osama Bin Laden is not responsible for 9/11. I think that Bush was after Bin Laden not because he was responsible, but because he lived in Afganistan, and the US government really wanted to eliminate the Taliban.

:eek: wow :eek: Okay whatever. No arguments from me here. I am assuming you are smart enough to know why I would have a hard time believing this. :p


The reason the US government wanted to get rid of the Taliban was so that they could have a more sympathetic government that would allow Bush's oil friends to build an oil pipeline through Afganistan.

Whatever his motive is, I am glad Afganistan now has a chance to rebuild their war torn country. I am glad Taliban is gone and women have their freedom. All of these are accomplished with very little US casualty.

I believe all policians have to be very short sighted because Bush is facing a midterm election this year and re-election in 2004. Building a pipeline seems like a long term project. US doesn't really need a pipeline through Afganistan. Russia is starting to drill more oil. A pipeline through Alaska makes more sense.

Even if you were to assume that Osama Bin Laden was responsible, and Bush didn't have ulterior motives, the fact is that they still haven't caught him. Doesn't that make you sleep well at night??

In short you should be able to see where I am coming from. I don't think I can change your mind over the internet and I am not going to try. Bush backers like myself are not weirdo's or stupid. I am not even a conservative. I am very liberal in many ways. I think the election is over. Accept the fact that the country is split. It is time to get behind him instead of bashing him non-stop. You get your chance in 2004.

I do however still come out to defend baseless cheap shots against any individuals. I am not saying you are doing it so don't take it the wrong way.

Joeman,

Check out this link:

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew41.php

It discusses the oil pipeline through Afganistan.


Tom

Nice article, Prosoothus, but I doubt the little bastard will read it...or if he reads it, I doubt he will understand it.

Hmmm.... A couple months ago the media released information regarding a tape that had been released of Bin Laden's where he actually claimed responsibility for the attack and congratulated his followers. They never actually aired it though...some crap about 'security concerns.'

However, this calling Bush an idiot is getting to be a little old. He went to both Yale and Harvard. I seriously doubt any of us even considered schools with that kind of prestige. He had to have some kind of brain power to get in there - money isn't everything.

You're basically claiming that Gore is guilty by association

You do realize that not one democrat voted Clinton guilty of committing perjury in the senate. Not one. You also realize that 45 democratic senators were well aware of the facts. I lost all faith in that party when I saw them rush to protect there all-knowing leader for that sake of saving their own ass. Gore is just as bad as them; his silence gave an aura of approval rather than one of condemnation.

The republicans don't have it right either, but at least they will stand for their own beliefs (10 voted to keep Clinton in office). They need to seperate themselves from the ultra-religious right, and the 'big business' interests, and I may one day support them. That day is far in the future though, and until then, I am voting for candidates based upon character rather than party.


Oh, and that oil line nonsense? This Marjorie Cohn woman sounds like nothing more than a bleeding heart with her whining about humanitarian aid. We are already sending the Afghanis foodstuffs and other supplies. All of her quotes and numbers are at least 5 years old. If all Bush wanted was oil, why aren't we helping Israel take over all of the middle east? We would never have considered a takeover of Afghanistan if not for September 11th, and I can guarantee you that oil was the last thing on Bush's mind when he decided that troops needed to be sent into the area. After reading the 'article', I decided to see some of the reactions, yet only one really caught my eye -


I hope all of you were saying the same thing about Clinton as he was bombing Kosovo, but for some reason I bet you all supported that operation. Reacting to an attack that shakes the foundation of this country is not wrong. In order for Cohn's thesis to be correct, it would mean that Clinton and Bush would have had to have been in cohoots. The planning for the attack had been in progress for more than a year. That would mean that it had been planned before Bush took office. Cohn's theoy also neglects the fact that it was Clinton who time after time rejected help from foreign countries to track down bin Laden. I ask you bleading heart liberals, who is really at fault? Surely not Bush, but former President Clinton. You all need to wake up and realize what is real and what is liberal double talk (Cohn). I wonder what her possion was on the Kosovo bombing, bet she thought it was a wonderful humnitarian effort.


Liberals don't want the individual, they want the masses. Conservatives don't want the individual, but the corporations that hire them. Why are they still the two biggest political parties?

Tre,

The last comment you quoted for me is game, set, match.

Why are you Americans so interested in someone, ANYONES, private life

If little johnny was actully good at running the country, no one here would give a dam if he was srewing everyone in sight

True. I don't give a damn whether our politicians are screwing interns or playing unnatural games with farm animals, as long as they do their job properly.

Joeman,

Why are you such an obsessive defender of Bush? Can you at least give a piece of evidence? Can you even try to consider the possibility that you may be wrong? Why do you seem to think that because Clinton lies about fucking his staff Gore lacks integrity? Why do you think that bush has integrity? What makes you think Bush has an IQ higher than the average house plant? Are you even listening to anyone?

The Bavarian Illuminati will destroy Bush.
Hail Eris!
Hail Discordia!

Originally posted by Neutrino_Albatross
Joeman,

Why are you such an obsessive defender of Bush? Can you at least give a piece of evidence? Can you even try to consider the possibility that you may be wrong? Why do you seem to think that because Clinton lies about fucking his staff Gore lacks integrity? Why do you think that bush has integrity? What makes you think Bush has an IQ higher than the average house plant? Are you even listening to anyone?

Have you read any posts in this thread?

Does GWB have a cowboy hat?

Of course...don't all real men have cowboy hats?

"I don't judge people by the way they talk or look so he doesn't really bother me. That is pretty shallow in my humble opinion. I have seen plenty of brilliant people who look and talk stupid. "

Steven Hawking for one.

I just hate how Bush says "God Bless America" all the time. If I was an american that would really piss me off. I'm sure Osama doesn't like it either. Heh.

About the Osama tape... I don't know much about it airing in the States. But where I live in Canada (I assume it was all over Canada though, but I live in BC) I saw the tape several times. Osama took credit for the attacks. He even said that he was personally involved in the planning, and that they knew the plane fuel would end up collapsing the tower. Also, he said that he thought the US government was trying to hide the real amount of people killed because he thought he would have killed more that 5000 people in a tower that can hold 50000. (thats 5000 at the time that I watched it). No doubt about it, he did it. Unless they really screwed up the Arabic translation!!! :)

Didn't ratify Kyoto

Ashcroft. Fucking lowerly, cat fearing, cross bearing, right stealing Ashcroft.

Screwed us(Noo Zeelund) on trade(lamb exports). And then there is Steel and Timber. He talks about free trade and competition but won't make the tough decisions. See you in court, asshole.

The way he reduces complex issues to overly simplistic rhetoric.

Iran, N. Korea, Iraq you're all evil. Even though Iran supported your move against terrorism lets just make the moderates look like fools.

Goes all isolationist, says to hell with Kyoto(and the million other treaties he hasn't signed), to hell the world's concerns over the pointless missle shield that pisses everyone from Britain to Russia off and then come 9/11 he decides he wants help fighting terrorism.

Have you noticed how the ENTIRE world outside of the States would like to strangle Bush with his own intestines, whilst half of America voted for him?

Frankly Bush scares me. I bet he was looking for any excuse to start a war and is glad he got such a good one.

Originally posted by Voodoo Child
The way he reduces complex issues to overly simplistic rhetoric.

Same as your post.

I saw a pole on CBS News last night, saying that now 44% of americans think that the country is being run well, this definitely includes their opinion of how Bush runs the country (he is the head honcho, after all). This is less than half but for me it's still too close, there are just too many f*cking hillbillies that these guys are calling. I wish they had a midterm pole or something on how the country was being run that was as important as the election itself, to give the president a report card on how he's doing (he is supposed to represent us, after all).

As I said before in my ultimate conspiracy theory I think that Bush may be a lot smarter than we all think him to be, it's the perfect set up. People think you're a dumbf*ck monkey in it because your dad was while you're really there to go down in history as one of the greatest presidents of all time chiefly because you were the guy in office when one of the most signifigant events ever took place. Look at our country's track record. Has any president during a war or crisis ever looked bad? Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Kennedy, all heroes we see on posters slathered about our schools. Bush wants to be one of them, so he had to create a crisis himself. Like I keep saying it's just a theory.

I hate Bush because he stole the election, he did not win the majority of the vote, because if my theory there is not correct then he is obviously incapable of riding a bike much less running the most powerful country on Earth. Just everything, everything he's done, the tax break, Ashcroft, foreign policy, Israel, 9/11, he fucked up everything. I could've done a better job being president. I'll take Clinton over Bush, just because the guy's a retard in his personal life doesn't mean that he wasn't actually a really great president.