Here goes...

A distant relative of mine is divorcing her husband, don't know exactly why. When they met, neither had much dough, they both worked most of their marriage, but he came good in his late 30's or so, turned his hand to property and other investments off his own brains, he's now about 50 and worth a few mil. Needless to say, the lazy cow hasn't done much of anything since hubby made her Typist job unnecessary.

They've got two kids, 14 and 17, both in private schools.

Now, he's offered her the house they live in, worth 400k, mortgage paid, half the tuition and living costs for the kids. The scheming bitch reckons he's worth £3mil by now and has petitioned for half that amount...that's a total settlement, inluding the house, of nearly £2 MILLION.

She knows fuck all about business, about property, about how to make money from money. HE was the moneymaker in the family, not her; she just swanned around painting her nails, running the kids to school, and having lunch with her girlfriends on his credit card.

If she'd married Joe "Average Earner" Schmoe, she'd be talking about half the cost of the marital house, and that's it. 200K tops. That's all she ought to get if you ask me, because had she married Joe Average, that's all she'd get. The law is fucked, with this 'half' shit...her settlement and that of all couples should be derived from a fair, just formula, ie the amount she contributed to the house earnings (her typist salary) or whatever she and the kids now need to live comfortably (which does not mean watching daytime soap on his money for another 20 years), whichever is the greater - and in this case, it's the latter.

The law needs to STOP these fucking gold-diggers. We men are the ones who know how to make money from our labour, from our money, we generate wealth, our women dissolve it; and if you don't agree, why can't we sit at home and let our womenfolk make fortunes? Because we'd be fucking dead before their air-headed asses worked out how to get above !!!!!

Anyway, the guy didn't get rich without being smart, he stashed and grew most of his wealth in Swiss accounts, she doesn't think she'll get much more than the house, as the paper trail is well and truly cold. As also will be his cunt whore of a wife if she keeps acting up this winter. I only hope he is the first of many guys trading up their wives who aren't getting burned in the exchange.

Jaybee.

Newsflash:

It's just money.

She has a right to half of it. That's what marriage is about. Don't get married if you are a selfish bastard.

common-law is the same as married...don't stick with chicks longer then 2 years and your good to go ;)

How much would daycare and babysitting cost for two kids for about 15 years?

Depending on where you live and on the quality of the daycare, costs can range from $3,000 to $15,000 a year ($250 to $1,250 monthly) based on data from the Children's Defense Fund and Runzheimer International, a Rochester, Wisconsin, relocation consulting firm.

That's between $45,000 and $225,000 for each kid. So, $90,000 to $450,000 total.

That's between $45,000 and $225,000 for each kid. So, $90,000 to $450,000 total.

That's a far cry from 2 million.

And technically she's not a gold digger as she married poor.

How much would daycare and babysitting cost for two kids for about 15 years?

That's between $45,000 and $225,000 for each kid. So, $90,000 to $450,000 total.Don't forget cleaning, shopping, cooking, laundry service, and the income she earned before she was able to stop working.

~Raithere

Let's not forget she had sex with this guy. That has got to be worth at least a few millions.

(a) Don't get married
(b) Get married, but with a prenup (which no self-respecting woman would take anyways)
(c) accept the risks of getting married, choose wisely

I can only recommend that he get a great lawyer.

Lets hear "why" they got divorced, then I can post a diatribe.

(Thank god youre back Raithere! ... make that thank goodness!)

spurious:

Newsflash:

It's just money.

Spurious, can you please give me your earnings from now on? After all, 'it's just money'!

common-law is the same as married...don't stick with chicks longer then 2 years and your good to go ;)

A-Men !!

Lets hear "why" they got divorced, then I can post a diatribe.

(Thank god youre back Raithere! ... make that thank goodness!)

The jury's still out on that one, plenty of rumours flying around, but the marriage has been an unhappy one for a few years, he's a handsome dude and she's aged into a fat ugly (and now greedy) cunt, so naturally he's feeling gypped.

Otherwise, geeez, there are some pussy-whipped guys on this forum.

Spurious - you're a cool cat, but sorry, I have a hard time believing that you make much money after posting here over 8 times per day for a 3 year stretch. The 'It's only money' argument is invariably used only by those who are not in the business of generating much of it.

And that's cool, I have some layabout friends and like you they're the most interesting, fun people you could hope to meet, I'd far rather go to the bar with them and buy all the drinks on a Friday night than the squares, but just don't be speaking on behalf of people with whom you have little in common.

Jaybee.

Otherwise, geeez, there are some pussy-whipped guys on this forum.Here's the thing Jaybee, marriage is essentially a legal contract. You're stating that legally you are now a single entity regarding many (primarily financial) aspects of your lives. The success or failure of one is the success or failure of both. Your friend now wants to break the contract and the assets will be divided more or less evenly. It is what it is. People who whine and complain about it were either too ignorant to understand this when they got married or just greedy bastards trying to swindle their partner.

As to who contributed what, it is more than likely that her efforts contributed significantly to his success. Unless he made his money through some sudden stroke of luck it is very likely that he earned it through lots of hard work. Meanwhile someone else had to be the caretaker, providing services that he would have to do without or pay for.

~Raithere

P.S. stretched, thanks... I wasn't really gone, I just didn't have time to post much.

spurious:

Spurious, can you please give me your earnings from now on? After all, 'it's just money'!

Just marry me and you can have half of nothing.

The 'It's only money' argument is invariably used only by those who are not in the business of generating much of it.

It's the other way around. I choose not to be in business or generate money but do something interesting because money isn't my highest priority. That would be one of my guidelines in life: money isn't everything. Hence the exclamation: it's only money.

You Scandinavians and your damn socialist attitudes!

I'm dutch. ;)

You know what I say???
I say anyone who leaves, leaves it all because that person is breaking a legal contract of partnership and therefore has no right to anything that was established in said partnership. The partner who leaves rescinds all rights, as well as obligations, by reneging on the contract.
How many would divorce then I wonder?

I have to totally agree with that finewine.

If she doesn't want to stay with her rich husband she doesn't have to, she can leave with what possessions are specifically hers.

That's why if you get married, only do so under a prenup. That way if you ever divorce, you get to make the rules of what you give him/her when ya split.

- N

If she doesn't want to stay with her rich husband she doesn't have to, she can leave with what possessions are specifically hers.

Unless she can provide proof he was abusive. Women tend to face greater challenges after leaving a marriage.

Quote spurious:
"Just marry me and you can have half of nothing."

* I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it left! :D

Regarding divorce, in my experience the emotional burden greatly outweights the financial burden. Fortunes come and go, but love ... what can I say about love?

Quote xerxes:
"Women tend to face greater challenges after leaving a marriage."

* Woman break up as many marraiges as men do. These challenges are often their choice.

Actually any good judge would include the house as part of the settlement and dedustit value from her side of the asset split.

Raithere:

Your friend now wants to break the contract and the assets will be divided more or less evenly

Like the kids? Oh wait, silly me, the kids aren't assets. That's why the woman almost always gets them, and the father might get two weeks of visitation per year.

Raithere:

Like the kids? Oh wait, silly me, the kids aren't assets. That's why the woman almost always gets them, and the father might get two weeks of visitation per year.

I wasn't even going to bother with his diatribe, I couldn't find one single thing in it that isn't rehashing elementary facts or contradicted by my opening post - which I took the time so people could FUCKING read.

Raithere - everyone gets a first, and last, repeat:

The law is fucked, with this 'half' shit...her settlement and that of all couples should be derived from a fair, just formula, ie the amount she contributed to the house earnings (her typist salary) or whatever she and the kids now need to live comfortably (which does not mean watching daytime soap on his money for another 20 years), whichever is the greater

Jaybee.

Here goes...

A distant relative of mine is divorcing her husband, don't know exactly why. When they met, neither had much dough, they both worked most of their marriage, but he came good in his late 30's or so, turned his hand to property and other investments off his own brains, he's now about 50 and worth a few mil. Needless to say, the lazy cow hasn't done much of anything since hubby made her Typist job unnecessary.
...
Jaybee.

Life is a real bitch -- we fuck women one way or another, so that they can fuck us over, one way or another, so we can bitch about getting fucked.

There's a good reason divorce is expensive...it's worth it!

So was this guy going to give up his work so he could take care of his children?

Jaybee,

I'll say it again; marriage is a contract. What is "fair" is determined by the agreement which the parties entered into not some reconsidered opinion after the fact.

~Raithere

She helped support him. She put in her time serving him. Two kids, meals, cleaning, fucking, shopping, laundry, and other errands. Without her at home, he would have had to worry about all that stuff, but she did. She took a load off of him, so that he could be as successful as he was. You can't say whether or not she would have been successful if they hadn't gotten married. She might have gone to school, she might have done something with her life.

The state she's in now, she's probably not very attractive either intellectually or physically. But that doesn't mean that she wasn't once. He married her, because he loved her. What happened along the way isn't any of your business to judge nor anyone elses outside the family. And anyone who thinks that being a housewife is not a ton of work, especially considering that they weren't rich until the very end is stupid and ignorant.

Is she entitled to half? Yes. She was half of the relationship, half of the support, half of the marriage. Whether or not you think she didn't work as hard as he did, half is the law. Don't like it, don't marry.

I approach life, as if it were a game. Play to win. Follow the rules - and reap what you can to the best of your ability, as you only have one life. (IMO)

- Shifty Russian

Kotoko:
Two kids, meals, cleaning, fucking, shopping, laundry, and other errands.

Because we all know that women don't enjoy sex...

She helped support him. She put in her time serving him. Two kids, meals, cleaning, fucking, shopping, laundry, and other errands.
Not to mention probably living with the fear that one of the kids might share the same gene mutation as Jaybee resulting in her child growing up to be like their 'distant relative'.

And well said Kotoko.. couldn't agree with you more.

Jaybee, their marriage and divorce is in effect none of your business. You may bitch and whine about what she's getting and how much YOU think she deserves, but in the grand scheme of things, what you think means squat. You do not factor into the equation. If the court deems that she should share in half of the earnings that entered the house WHILE they were married, and I'm guessing that will be the case as he earned the money while they were married, then it really is no concern of yours. If you have the caveman mentality of men work to bring meat home to cave and woman cooks and deserves nothing in return, then I'm guessing you are going to be single for a very very long time and we can rejoice that your genes won't be passed on.

If you are so young and gormless as to still think women who stay at home to bring up the children do nothing all day and therefore don't deserve half of what the marriage earned during its life, then I'd suggest if you ever have a child that you stay home and let her work as going by your posts, she'd probably have the intelligence and ability to earn more than you anyway. I don't think you'd last a week being a 'househusband'.

If you have the caveman mentality of men work to bring meat home to cave and woman cooks and deserves nothing in return, ...

Huh? She gets plenty in return! She gets some of the meat that he worked to bring home, she gets a dry, warm cave in which to live and sleep, and she gets fucked whenever he wants to do it .....what the hell more could a woman ask?? :)

I don't think you'd last a week being a 'househusband'.

Oooh, ...when I was young and stupid, I would have readily agreed with that, Bells. But now that I'm old and retired (and still stupid!), I see what a easy life of luxury one can have as a "house-husband". Geez, I'm so damned free to do what I want, whenever I want, that it's almost ridiculous (there oughta' be a law against retiring early!).

And, yes, Bells ...I cook meals, I bake pies and cakes, I do the shopping and the cleaning (of the cave!), I do the laundry and ironing, I pay all the bills and itemize everything for taxes, etc, I keep a budget and fund the savings accounts and I also research stocks for good investment opportunities. And with all of that, and more, I still have time to read numerous novels and do some writing on my own.

Ooooh, if I'd known then, what I know now, .....? If I were a female, I'd find me a hardworking guy and marry his ass the very second I turned 18 ...then I'd lay back on my ass and enjoy my life!! :)

Baron Max

Huh? She gets plenty in return! She gets some of the meat that he worked to bring home, she gets a dry, warm cave in which to live and sleep, and she gets fucked whenever he wants to do it .....what the hell more could a woman ask?? :)
My God! You're such a catch BM.. As if you are, I have an aunt I absolutely detest who I'd love to send into a life of misery... so you interested BM? ;)


Oooh, ...when I was young and stupid, I would have readily agreed with that, Bells. But now that I'm old and retired (and still stupid!), I see what a easy life of luxury one can have as a "house-husband". Geez, I'm so damned free to do what I want, whenever I want, that it's almost ridiculous (there oughta' be a law against retiring early!).

And, yes, Bells ...I cook meals, I bake pies and cakes, I do the shopping and the cleaning (of the cave!), I do the laundry and ironing, I pay all the bills and itemize everything for taxes, etc, I keep a budget and fund the savings accounts and I also research stocks for good investment opportunities. And with all of that, and more, I still have time to read numerous novels and do some writing on my own.
Interestingly, I don't see you taking care of kids while you were the house-hubby? It's soooo easy without having children to care for.. I mean you actually have time to iron? LOL! What? You need to get the special crease in your safari suit? Throw in a couple of babies and you'll be lucky if you have time to even sleep let alone iron.


Ooooh, if I'd known then, what I know now, .....? If I were a female, I'd find me a hardworking guy and marry his ass the very second I turned 18 ...then I'd lay back on my ass and enjoy my life!! :)
I'm betting you'd be the type of woman without teeth and who never owned a pair of shoes, not to mention that you'd BYO chain and sink.

Not to mention probably living with the fear that one of the kids might share the same gene mutation as Jaybee resulting in her child growing up to be like their 'distant relative'.

Nice. How ya doing, Bells, long time no speak? Did you know you didn't need to bait me into replying, do you remember that I always loved sparring with you? That's because you're the only cunt on the Internet with half a brain. Speaking of children, how's your newborn? Or should I say, newly-shitted?

Jaybee, their marriage and divorce is in effect none of your business. You may bitch and whine about what she's getting and how much YOU think she deserves, but in the grand scheme of things, what you think means squat. You do not factor into the equation.

Weeeeeeeeell, I've already made it my business, thanks anyway. Using my powers of investigation I've located a firm of divorce lawyers specialising in offshore asset transformation for 7 and 8 figure cases, and as such their clientele is overwhelmingly male. The partners and associates are ALL male, so not only are we assured of good old fashioned male competence, but also passionate loyalty. They are also, unsurprisingly, the most prominent practice in London for asset tracking; if anyone knows the holes into which money disappears from view, it's those GUYS.

If the court deems that she should share in half of the earnings that entered the house WHILE they were married, and I'm guessing that will be the case as he earned the money while they were married, then it really is no concern of yours.

Oh, your guessing? I'll leave the guessing to the lady lawyers with furry toy animals on their monitors, and the serious business of option devaluation to the pin-stripe blades.

If you have the caveman mentality of men work to bring meat home to cave and woman cooks and deserves nothing in return, then I'm guessing you are going to be single for a very very long time and we can rejoice that your genes won't be passed on.

Please. Spare me the feminazi propaganda. Deep in every womans heart lurks the urge to marry a wealthy man and live a life of ease.

If you are so young and gormless as to still think women who stay at home to bring up the children do nothing all day and therefore don't deserve half of what the marriage earned during its life,

Hold it...the marriage did not earn the money, he did, the trouser-wearer.

then I'd suggest if you ever have a child that you stay home and let her work as going by your posts, she'd probably have the intelligence and ability to earn more than you anyway. I don't think you'd last a week being a 'househusband'.

Hate to bust bubbles, Bells, but my earnings have always outstripped all of my girlfriends. Which is probably why half of them call me up on the phone crying, "I still think we could be happy again". Well, they had a bite at the cherry; if they want another one they'll just have to get their knees dirty.

Jaybee.

What are your earnings? Sounds like you're dating homeless women.

Nice. How ya doing, Bells, long time no speak? Did you know you didn't need to bait me into replying, do you remember that I always loved sparring with you? That's because you're the only cunt on the Internet with half a brain. Speaking of children, how's your newborn? Or should I say, newly-shitted?

Bait you? On the contrary. I was highly amused by your insane display of apparent male bonding. As for how my son came out. What is the matter Jay, did you miss out on sex education classes? Just because your mother may have passed you from her backside does not mean that other women give birth so abnormally. :)

Weeeeeeeeell, I've already made it my business, thanks anyway. Using my powers of investigation I've located a firm of divorce lawyers specialising in offshore asset transformation for 7 and 8 figure cases, and as such their clientele is overwhelmingly male. The partners and associates are ALL male, so not only are we assured of good old fashioned male competence, but also passionate loyalty. They are also, unsurprisingly, the most prominent practice in London for asset tracking; if anyone knows the holes into which money disappears from view, it's those GUYS.
This is what intrigues me. Why have you made it your business? Are you hoping the husband will give you a reward for your services?

Now while these lawyers might be very good, I wonder how appreciative your relative will be when he gets the final bill. And an all male firm? How delightful! I'm sure you and your relative could go in for some male bonding and bondage for each consultation. Hmmm I wonder how much they charge for that service? I'm sure in that regard they would be damn good at discovering which hole money disappears into. But I'm sure you've done your so called research properly and have found the firm that is 'competent' in both. As for loyalty. I'd suggest you think again. Divorce lawyers are known only for one thing. Their loyalty to making money. Oh and by the way, if you're thinking that the husband could shift his wealth O/S as a means to hide it from his wife or to take it out of your country's jurisdiction, then you should also be aware that the courts take very unkindly to spouses who shift their money into another country's legal jurisdiction after they have separated. Hubby could end up losing more in the long run.

Oh, your guessing? I'll leave the guessing to the lady lawyers with furry toy animals on their monitors, and the serious business of option devaluation to the pin-stripe blades.
Yes, I can imagine that you'd be the type of person who'd discover what most people and other lawyers view as scummy practices.

Please. Spare me the feminazi propaganda. Deep in every womans heart lurks the urge to marry a wealthy man and live a life of ease.
Is that what your mother taught and showed you? Awww.. poor widdle Jay thinks that all women are after his dole payment..

Hold it...the marriage did not earn the money, he did, the trouser-wearer.
Yes numbnuts. But they were married at the time and from what you've said happily so. Therefore she would have supported him in many different ways as he was attempting to make said money. And the fact that had she not been the one to take care of the other domestic issues such as looking after the children while he made this money, he would not have been able to make said money. As for your stupidly inane chauvanistic views, I can see why you're still single.

Hate to bust bubbles, Bells, but my earnings have always outstripped all of my girlfriends. Which is probably why half of them call me up on the phone crying, "I still think we could be happy again". Well, they had a bite at the cherry; if they want another one they'll just have to get their knees dirty.
So you've managed to find a way to cheat the government into paying you more dole and unemployment benefits than you deserve? And how proud you must be that these women are only interested in you for your so called money. Says a lot about your personality that they're not willing to come back because they think you are special. And it's quite interesting that only half come back. I guess the other half figured the money was not worth it if you came packaged with it.

Oh wow! Someone's realized that you can get women to respond to you if you write misogynistic things! This has never happened on the internet before!

She helped support him. She put in her time serving him. Two kids, meals, cleaning, fucking, shopping, laundry, and other errands. Without her at home, he would have had to worry about all that stuff, but she did. She took a load off of him, so that he could be as successful as he was. You can't say whether or not she would have been successful if they hadn't gotten married. She might have gone to school, she might have done something with her life.

The state she's in now, she's probably not very attractive either intellectually or physically. But that doesn't mean that she wasn't once. He married her, because he loved her. What happened along the way isn't any of your business to judge nor anyone elses outside the family. And anyone who thinks that being a housewife is not a ton of work, especially considering that they weren't rich until the very end is stupid and ignorant.

Is she entitled to half? Yes. She was half of the relationship, half of the support, half of the marriage. Whether or not you think she didn't work as hard as he did, half is the law. Don't like it, don't marry.

Very well said.

I'd like to add that, in a family, things are shared. It's not "my" house, but "our" house; not "my" budget, but "our" budget. Each has an equal share of everything. So why shouldn't she get half?

What I don't understand is why everyone who approves of this "half" mentality mentions in their reasons why they deserve half is because they have to fuck the guy. Like it's so hard to lay there and be fucked.

Very well said.

How is Kotoko's (who, by the way, happens to be the most annoying, irritating, pathetic runt that JapAnime has ever spawned) conjecture 'well said'? She claims that the woman in this case contributed exactly 50% into the marriage, which is a whopping huge assumption.

aprendrapew:

their reasons why they deserve half is because they have to fuck the guy.

I'm also confused at why they mention this. I think it comes down to stereotypes touted by feminazis, and pro-female bias. They seem to have this ridiculous notion of the 'puritan' female, who doesn't enjoy sex, and merely does it for the sake of the man. And if she does have sex, the guy has obviously loaded her up on alcohol.
Yes, we are actually THAT desperate. As if a guy can't bring himself off without a female around.

They also assume that every male in history just goes 'in and out', without putting any work into foreplay. Yep, the woman does all the work, even in sex. While we are making crappy generalized assumptions about the sexual habits of particular genders, why don't I just claim that the woman does no work at all? After all, how much energy does faking an orgasm take?

How is Kotoko's (who, by the way, happens to be the most annoying, irritating, pathetic runt that JapAnime has ever spawned) conjecture 'well said'? She claims that the woman in this case contributed exactly 50% into the marriage, which is a whopping huge assumption.

?
It takes two to be married and have a family; not one, or one-and-a-half, or one-and-a-quarter.

whitegirl:

It takes two to be married and have a family; not one, or one-and-a-half, or one-and-a-quarter

Doesn't mean that the husband and wife are putting in equal effort, are the now?

Fuck the cunt. I would stuff wads of cash down her throat untill she choked to death. Then I'd cut her up and get it back and put it back in my savings account, then I'd put the children in her abdomen and make it look like she went crazy and tried to eat the kids but choked in the process.
No but this guys like "Duh, here take my money former lover", what a moron, didn't even think of the money down the throat thing with the putting the kids in the abdomen and all that stuff I said... tsk *shakes head* idiot...

Whitewolf:

Doesn't mean that the husband and wife are putting in equal effort, are the now?

Yes, it does.

How is Kotoko's (who, by the way, happens to be the most annoying, irritating, pathetic runt that JapAnime has ever spawned) conjecture 'well said'? She claims that the woman in this case contributed exactly 50% into the marriage, which is a whopping huge assumption.
Since a marriage consists of two parts of 50%, she being the wife is or was 50% of the marriage. Or are you the type of person who views marital contribution only in monetary terms?

Maybe he doesn't view it in monetary terms at all, hence each should just keep their own money.

The original poster is right, anyway, but divorce laws should stand to punish anyone stupid enough to get married. Thai hookers are so much more amenable.

Nice. How ya doing, Bells, long time no speak? Did you know you didn't need to bait me into replying, do you remember that I always loved sparring with you? That's because you're the only cunt on the Internet with half a brain. Speaking of children, how's your newborn? Or should I say, newly-shitted?
I resent that rudeness from a "sophisticated" caveman. I have more than half a brain that runs circles around your one dimensional cranium and I have a very nice "cunt" and proud of it. You wouldn't even know how to treat it right since you profess to be a caveman.

Please. Spare me the feminazi propaganda. Deep in every womans heart lurks the urge to marry a wealthy man and live a life of ease.
Deep in every man's heart lurks the urge to marry a weak women and make her his servant and deny her anything of emotional worth and value since all he thinks about is earning his fvcking ass money so he can let his ego swell in his pompous state of signifcance because of his wealth.
Hold it...the marriage did not earn the money, he did, the trouser-wearer.
OK given that, tell me honestly... seriously... what do you think a wife's $$$ value is in a marriage and how much is that worth to you?

Hate to bust bubbles, Bells, but my earnings have always outstripped all of my girlfriends. Which is probably why half of them call me up on the phone crying, "I still think we could be happy again". Well, they had a bite at the cherry; if they want another one they'll just have to get their knees dirty.
Well, perhaps you are out of the league of those women who earn more than you so they don't give you a second glance...and from the way you are talking you wouldn't want a woman earning more than you anyway... It would be a blow to your overinflated ego!

You crack me up, Jaybee!!!! You really do!!!! Thanks for the laugh. You always make me smile!

aprendrapew:
After all, how much energy does faking an orgasm take?
Just a little humor here! LOL! to take a break from the tension brewing.

A hug leads to a kiss...a kiss leads 2 a finger...a finger leads to a a hand...a hand leads to a lick...a lick leads to a suck...a suck leads 2 a fuck. So tell me how many people are you gonna hug after you heard this cuz sex is like math...u add the bed...subtract the clothes...divide the legs...leave your solution...and pray you dont multiply!

Giving .........head....... massages the jaw....while burning 32 calories.

Swallowing foreign body juices is actually like taking vitamins and it whitens your teeth

Having nice sex burnes 358 calories.
Having rough sex [make it hurt] burns 543 calories.

Take off her clothes
with her consent.........................12 cal
without......................187 cal

Take off her Bra
With two hands..........................8 cal
With one hand.........................12 cal
With mouth.............................85 cal

Put on Protection
hard ........................... 6 cal
soft..........................315 cal

Foreplay
Looking for target...................8 cal
Finding G spot ......................92 cal
I don't F***ing care.....................0 cal

Entry
Holding her..................12 cal
On the floor.................8 cal

With Different Position
Missionary..........................358 cal
Doggy...........................316 cal
69 lying...............................286 cal
69 standing.............................512 cal
Italian hanger.........................912 cal

Orgasm
Real................................112 cal
Faking................................315 cal

After "O"
Lying in Bed............................18 cal
Hop off the bed............................36 cal
Wondering why she left pissed off...........816 cal

Get dressed
Quiet and calm...........................32 cal
Rushing.........................98 cal
Heard her boyfriend opening the door.............1218 cal
Heard her dad/2 yr old baby sista at the door.............1942 cal

Dear Jaybee,
To enlighten your mind with the facts not just opinion.
FAIRFAX, Va., May 5, 1999 -- Your Mother may be priceless to you, but in today's job market she's worth over $500,000 per year, according to an Edelman Financial Services Inc. study of the many possible occupations that a typical mother might hold during the year.
The EFS study looked at salary data supplied by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, trade groups, and human resource and staffing firms. Edelman Financial established criteria and determined what the median yearly salary would be for a multi-tasking mother asked to:

raise children
cook meals
keep house
care for pets
dispense medication and nursing care
attend meetings and functions
manage family finances
provide transportation
assist with homework
listen to and resolve family problems
keep family on schedule
maintain family order and harmony
Based on 17 key occupations, Edelman Financial estimated that a mother's worth is approximately $508,700 per year, or almost $42,400 per month.

The 17 key occupations that mothers typically perform, with their median yearly salaries, are:

Animal Caretaker $17,500
Executive Chef $40,000
Computer Systems Analyst $44,000
Financial Manager $39,000
Food/Beverage Service Worker $20,000
General Office Clerk $19,000
Registered Nurse $35,000
Management Analyst $41,000
Child Care Worker $13,000
Housekeeper $ 9,000
Psychologist $29,000
Bus Driver $32,400
Elementary School Principal $58,600
Dietitians/Nutritionists $41,600
Property Manager $22,600
Social Worker $30,000
Recreation Worker $15,500
"Edelman Financial is attempting to quantify what the true market value of a mother's worth is in today's economy," said Ric Edelman, chairman of his full-service financial planning company. "Of course, no one can place a value on the love and affection that mothers give to their families," he said. "But since a mother wears many hats and is on duty 24-hours-a-day, we decided that a typical mother deserves a full-time yearly salary for all 17 key occupational positions." Edelman noted that these figures should be higher, because they do not include the retirement, health and insurance benefits that workers in these positions typically receive.

"So if you haven't given much thought to the benefits of having a mom, try finding the money you'd need to pay someone to do everything that she does," Edelman said. "You don't have enough money to hire a mom as good as yours -- and from that perspective, our mothers are indeed priceless."

CONTACT: Michael J. Volpe of Edelman Financial Services, 703-818-0800, ext. 112

hugs and kisses!!! :D Marry me... no, wait I make more money than you do, never mind. LOL!

Since a marriage consists of two parts of 50%, she being the wife is or was 50% of the marriage. Or are you the type of person who views marital contribution only in monetary terms?

No, but like me he's the type who views financial divorce settlement in terms of financial contribution to the marriage. If you put 98.7% of the cash into the marriage (his calculation, not mine), then that's precisely what you should leave it with MINUS the amount the kids need, and then the cunt can go back out into the workplace and resume her typist job.

Option devaluation is something you and the other feminazis call "scummy" because it's the one weapon in the male arsenal against which you cunts have no judicial defence. You call it "scummy" because those cunt female judges get headaches trying to understand such intensely complex and sophisticated financial instruments, because it's a painful reminder how useless cunts are in the higher echelons of the accounting profession, and how the cunt female judges have to err on the side of the HUSBAND lest their ratio of overturned appeals/appeals triples when the case goes to a male judge with a good, male head for figures.

And Bells...what happened to you? A few months away from the office and your brain turns to mush, is that it? That whole reply of yours was poor, attacking my mother when my father would have been the better target, due to his gender (dohhhhhh!!!), and forgetting that my friend has already siphoned his money through a Swiss brokerage well before the marriage turned sour. Or is your memory really that selective? Yes, I saw a couple of fleeting glimpses of your former genius in that reply, but the rest was cringeworthily bad.

Back a year ago, you'd have been ashamed to spout such drivel. Now you've gone from heavyweight intellectual for your causes to cheerleader in the space of 9 short months. GOT to be all the pre and post-natal Oestrogen, you know how it destroys synaptic activity to almost zero. Well, that's all you need, as a mother.

You used to be a fear-inducing, raised-bar opponent with very large, very sharp teeth. Now my only fear is of hurting your womanly sensitivities. So please, RAISE YOUR GAME!


Jaybee.

Finewine had an excellent post:

Some hidden costs were actually left out (if the guy hadn't married):

Purchasing children: which would have been nearly impossible as a fulltime worker to do legally single: expenses $? because I do not know what a baby does nowadays on the black market.

Purchasing sex: depends on the libido of your friend. And depends if he is happy enough with low class or high class prostitute. That actually would add up quite nicely over the years. Of course he could date women hoping that they will have sex with him, but then he would risk the chance of ending up married.

Finewine had an excellent post:

Some hidden costs were actually left out (if the guy hadn't married):

Purchasing children: which would have been nearly impossible as a fulltime worker to do legally single: expenses $? because I do not know what a baby does nowadays on the black market.

Purchasing sex: depends on the libido of your friend. And depends if he is happy enough with low class or high class prostitute. That actually would add up quite nicely over the years. Of course he could date women hoping that they will have sex with him, but then he would risk the chance of ending up married.

sounds occult :mad: kids need to be saved not bought! :bugeye:

oldest fashion in the world, very sick. it's possible truth.

have to protect...

loki

mean possible oldest problem.

How is Kotoko's (who, by the way, happens to be the most annoying, irritating, pathetic runt that JapAnime has ever spawned) conjecture 'well said'? She claims that the woman in this case contributed exactly 50% into the marriage, which is a whopping huge assumption.

My assumptions come from experience, and from statistics.

And from the fact that I am the bread winner in my family, my husband stays home to watch and raise the kids. I still do all the cooking and cleaning, the errands (he has no drivers license) shopping, bill paying and all of that. If he left me, he'd still be entitled to half of what I earned during the marriage because he supported me so that I could work. And, he would get half under the law. The law doesn't just go for wives, it goes for any couple in any marriage regardless of how much you feel like they put into it, unless there are extenuating circumstances like cheating, fraud, theft, prison time, domestic abuse, etc.

People usually divorce people who don't start pulling their weight or contributing. Money problems and domestic squabbles are the most common reasons for divorce.

p.s. Kotoko was a queen amoung runts. Thank you very much.

No, but like me he's the type who views financial divorce settlement in terms of financial contribution to the marriage. If you put 98.7% of the cash into the marriage (his calculation, not mine), then that's precisely what you should leave it with MINUS the amount the kids need, and then the cunt can go back out into the workplace and resume her typist job.

Ha, well, her financial contributions based on what a mother is worth adds up to quite a bit. I say she put up more than he could pay from his 98.7% earnings, and she should charge him interest on his payments to pay off what he still owes her.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
This is so funny to read... Thank you!!!
I so much needed a laugh!

My assumptions come from experience, and from statistics.
People usually divorce people who don't start pulling their weight or contributing. Money problems and domestic squabbles are the most common reasons for divorce.

People divorce because of selfishness and emotional needs not being met.
Money problems and squabbles are just symptoms of those deeper motivations caused from lack of trust.

No, but like me he's the type who views financial divorce settlement in terms of financial contribution to the marriage. If you put 98.7% of the cash into the marriage (his calculation, not mine), then that's precisely what you should leave it with MINUS the amount the kids need, and then the cunt can go back out into the workplace and resume her typist job.

You mean both he and you are gormless fuckwits?

So he put in 98.7% of the cash into the marriage? But how much time did he put into the marriage? Only 1.3% if he was spending soooo much time putting cash into it? Could that be why we see the marriage ending and you salivating at the prospect of the divorce settlement? I mean do the kids even know what he looks like? How much time did she put into the marriage? Hmm lets see... sleeping with the peon.. being pregnant with is children.. giving birth to said children.. taking care of the family so that he could go out and earn the cash with her support.. after all, could he have done it if she had not been the one to bring up the children? Hell that alone should be enough to allow her 50%.

Option devaluation is something you and the other feminazis call "scummy" because it's the one weapon in the male arsenal against which you cunts have no judicial defence. You call it "scummy" because those cunt female judges get headaches trying to understand such intensely complex and sophisticated financial instruments, because it's a painful reminder how useless cunts are in the higher echelons of the accounting profession, and how the cunt female judges have to err on the side of the HUSBAND lest their ratio of overturned appeals/appeals triples when the case goes to a male judge with a good, male head for figures.
This alone proves why you are single. Don't forget moron, your mother is also a "cunt" as you so charmingly put it. Tell me, what did your mother do for a living? Stay home and take care of you or did she work? How do you value her time and services? I can imagine the poor woman probably spent quite a bit of time having to sit by you as you grew up trying to teach you how to mop up your own drool. Tell me Jay, you finally got the hang of it yet or do you still sit there with your mouth hanging open and a soggy bib?

As for working out what you deem to be complex and sophisticated financial instruments, most second year accounting students could figure out and if you lack the intelligence to work it out that you have to hire people to do it for you and get shitty when a 'mere woman' can work it out, then that is an issue that you must learn to deal with. And I must ask... why the animosity towards women Jay? Have you been spurned by a woman? Do they all point and laugh at you? LOL! I'm betting that the 1900 sex calls you try and make probably end in embarrassment for you as the whore on the phone starts laughing at the thought of your penis getting longer than the 2cm it already is. Is that why you hate women so much? Have you seriously convinced yourself that the women you've probably stalked really want you for your unemployment benefits?

And Bells...what happened to you? A few months away from the office and your brain turns to mush, is that it? That whole reply of yours was poor, attacking my mother when my father would have been the better target, due to his gender (dohhhhhh!!!), and forgetting that my friend has already siphoned his money through a Swiss brokerage well before the marriage turned sour. Or is your memory really that selective? Yes, I saw a couple of fleeting glimpses of your former genius in that reply, but the rest was cringeworthily bad.
I didn't think of your father as you appear to be the type of person stems from the result of a street corner pick-up with quick dollars changing hands afterwards. Your poor mother must have been desperate.

And Jay, you bring my child into your argument, I'll bring your mother in.

So your friend is also a tax-dodger? So not only is he trying to short-change his wife and his children, he's also been placing his money off-shore to avoid paying tax? My.. what lovely company you keep.

Now tell me again Jay.. what is your interest in this couple's divorce? You've gone from being a distant relative to now being a friend? Ingrate! Still trying to get close to hubby in the hope that he might give you $10 for you to buy a pack of cigarettes? Are you that desperate for some cash?

Back a year ago, you'd have been ashamed to spout such drivel. Now you've gone from heavyweight intellectual for your causes to cheerleader in the space of 9 short months. GOT to be all the pre and post-natal Oestrogen, you know how it destroys synaptic activity to almost zero. Well, that's all you need, as a mother.
Aww is that all your mummy had? Zero? Aww poor Jay Jay..

You used to be a fear-inducing, raised-bar opponent with very large, very sharp teeth.
I think you have me confused with Xev.

She has a right to half of it. That's what marriage is about. Don't get married if you are a selfish bastard.

That would destroy marriage.

It's insane that she gets given half for doing so little work.

If women are going to be equal, they'd better start acting that way!

How is someone the "equal" of someone they manipulate into giving up large sums of money?
If they are preying on that person so easily, they are not "equal" but superior!

Kotoko:


My assumptions come from experience, and from statistics.

Neither which apply in individual cases.


And from the fact that I am the bread winner in my family, my husband stays home to watch and raise the kids. I still do all the cooking and cleaning, the errands (he has no drivers license) shopping, bill paying and all of that. If he left me, he'd still be entitled to half of what I earned during the marriage because he supported me so that I could work.

I'd beg to differ. It sounds like your husband is getting off easy.


p.s. Kotoko was a queen amoung runts. Thank you very much.

Now THAT goes on my signature's in the other forums.