What is your opinion of the FBI?

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  5. Don H Registered Senior Member

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    We can't have it both ways.(sarcasm alert) Afterall , remember the stellar work they did in the Atlanta Olympics bombing? The abortionist bomber hiding in SC? The ceasless work in apprehending the unibomber?
     
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  7. NenarTronian Teenaged Transhumanist Registered Senior Member

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    Indifferent. Just one more facet of our government. I think they do good work though, nothing that i dont disapprove of. The DEA is another story, of course

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  8. %BlueSoulRobot% Copyright! Copyright!! Registered Senior Member

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    To me, the FBI are overrated, due to media and stuff like that. Sure, they've got to be secretive, and well-coordinated to do the things they do, but they don't save the world everyday.

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  9. kathaksung Banned Banned

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    Lewinsky scandal

    Former FBI director Hoover held large quantity of black material of Presidents and Senators. With these material he blackmailed the politicians. That's why he could stay at that post as long as he wished.

    In leuwinsky scandal, Linda Trip provided Starr's office with 20 hours secretly taped phone conversation in which Leuwinsky talked about her affairs with Clinton. She also instructed Leuwinsky kept the jacket which contaminated Clinton's sperm. Trip didn't get any advantage from it. From my point of view, it was obviously much more a purposed intelligent practice than the relationship of friends. An insistent eavesdropping and evidence searching. Mr. Hoover used to use this kind of material to extort.

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  10. kathaksung Banned Banned

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    Chandra Levy's case

    Though Federal law enforcement agency hold big power, they still have a little check and balance in legislation such like they need legislation's approve for their "Patriot Act". When Rep. Gary Condit's case happened, I had a feeling it's almost the second edition of Clinton and Lewinsky scandal. All these need intelligence operation behind curtain. Affairs revealed, politicians told a lie try to cover the scandal, then evidence appeared to discridit them. At first, I didn't know why Condit was chosen. I got it when I saw the news said he is a member of 'intelligence committee'. A committee which oversees Federal law enforcement agency. That's the way they played once and again in peace time. Though Gary Condit was found having no relationship to Levy's death, he lost his nomination.

    Why Chandra Levy had to die?

    In Lewinsky scandal, Linda Trip played a role of TIPS. Nobody likes her, even the people handling her. Nobody wants his privacy being secretly recorded by his friend.

    So there is nobody want to play Linda Trip any more. If they want a scandal, and Chandra Levy had self dignity and refused to be a second Paula Jones, what would be the result?

    Perhaps she did not want to play a role like that, Chandra was going for another job in state prison. Her death happened before her leaving. The last chance to use her in a scandal.

    The news said she checked the map of the site before she going for the jogging. She was meeting an aquaintance for an appointment. It's obvious. Only she didn't know she had to die if she insisted not to be second Paula Jones.

    Discovery of remain used to divert public's attention

    In middle May, news revealed that FBI Pheonix office had reported suspicious Arabic flight students but was left alone by their superviser. Several days later, there was another news of FBI's Minnisota field office was blocked for further investigation on 911 suspect Mausauui. FBI's failure in 911 warning became a hot topic. Just at that time, on May 22, Chandra's skeletal remains was announced discovered in Rock Creek Park. All of a sudden, the criticism on FBI was replaced by the story of Chandra's death story. They successfully diverted public's attention.

    Using a big event to transfer people's attention is a tactic agent used to play. Here, Chandra's death once again used by those who killed her.
     
  11. kathaksung Banned Banned

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    60. Plant, Frame and alleged murder

    60. Plant, Frame and alleged murder

    On Sept 30, 1992, I was astonished to read an article on Mercury News. The topic was "Activist to sue FBI over bombing of car." Judi Bari was an environmentalist who was against logging company. She organized Redwood Summer in 1990. She received several death threats and then on May 24, 1990, a bomb exploded in her car which shattered her pelvis. Within hours, while she was still in coma in hospital, investigators issued a warrant labeled she was a violent terrorist for transporting the bomb that injured her. However, D.A.'s office refuse to file charges for lacking of evidence. The person planting the bomb was never found. Two years later Bari and another bomb victim sue FBI and Oakland police for false arrest, illegal searches and violation of their civil rights. Bari said "It's terrifying to stand up against FBI. Who tried to frame me for the bombing of my life."

    At that time, I was complaining at Government office that FBI and DEA using isotope money which hurt my health and then trying to murder me by radioactive material. (I was not aware of the other high tech. weapon killing then yet) I knew how evil they were. But did Bari know what danger she was facing? I really worried for Bari's safety. I kept that newspaper.

    It was dismay to learn her death. "CANCER KILLS EARTH FIRST! ACTIVIST BARI ". On March 3, 1997, San Jose Mercury News wrote, " Bari, 47, died less than 48 hours after her attorneys pleaded with a federal judge for a speedier review of the 6-year-old civil rights lawsuit."

    On Oct. 8, 2000, another news caught my eye. "Pratt, new book examines role of FBI." It said that Pratt, ex-Black Panther activist, was sentenced to death about 30 years ago for a murder case. As a matter of fact. He was in a meeting in Oakland the night murder occurred, hundred miles from murder site. FBI wiretapped the meeting but hid the tape. Further more, FBI even planted letters to convince the group's already paranoid leaders that Pratt was against them. So they refused to testify for him.
    If US Supreme Court had not temporarily suspended capital punishment in early 1970s, the government would have executed an innocent man."

    I sent an E-mail to writer of Mercury News. Wonder why FBI could use all dirty methods to frame people, it's no other than attempted murder. The reply mail said, anyway, FBI would pay settlement for the case, "THAT'S A DEVELOPMENT". It seems FBI and other Federal law enforcement agency are outlaws. They could plant, frame, murder without being punished. Once it was revealed, nobody has to be responsible for the crime. And if they paid victims some compensation, that became a development, even the money was come from tax-payers. Pratt luckily survived, Judi Bari hadn't . How many innocent people died in black box practice? And how many will be the next?

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  12. CounslerCoffee Registered Senior Member

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    Wasnt that cross dressing FBI director a racist?! THey sure do sound fair to me...of course that was a while ago.
     
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    83. Spy country (8/21)

    When I started my thread in internet, a message told me, the content of " The newspaper titled: " Heroin bust called U.S. record".(See San Jose Mercury, 6-22-1991)." is a day off...

    Quote, "You cited the wrong date! Although the rest of your newspaper and highway information (in Bay Area holds up). "

    He gave me an URL to check:
    http://nl13.newsbank.com/nlsite/region_pgs/ca_search.htm

    I thus knew my article was under scrutiny. I live in San Jose. I read San Jose Mercury News. Most news reference were from it.

    There were some people doubted that when I said Walt Disney was an informant. (#29. "I'm you, American")

    Question, quote, "What was Walt informing on? Mickey's communist ties? Goofy's drug problems? Minnie's prostitution busts? "

    With above URL, choose S.J.M.N, with appropriate key words and time, you can find news I referred.

    Quote,"But most disturbing,....is the allegation that Disney was an FBI informant, recruited by J. Edgar Hoover to snitch on employees and Hollywood colleagues in exchange for favors....."
    See whole story in "THE AUTHOR WAS WALT DISNEY A WICKED WITCH? OR IS THIS MAN GOOFY?" San Jose Mercury News, 8/1/1993.

    In Chinese newspaper "World Journal"(5/7/93, page 3A) talked about this too. W.Disney was FBI's informant from 1940 to 1966 he passed away. It also talked about former President Ronno Reagan was a FBI informant, code 'T-10', when he was president of Actor and Actress Association(translation) in 1947.

    Are these the only informants FBI have had? Of course not. FBI titled W. Disney "Full Special Agent in Charge Contact" in 1954. It's 50 years passed, a net of surveillance should have been developed already. And in addition to this informant net, we can see there is another army of FBI: retired FBI. They are still the eye and ear and hand of the Bureau. And they used to occupy important position. Such like Ornell, who became Chief in charge of security of WTC after retirement. Still they say they are outnumbered in war on terror. They want recruit one million more TIPS. A spy country that Gestapo and KGB have ever dreamed of. A monstrous power that almost equal to Defense Department. But it's not used to defend US citizens, it's used to spy on them.


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  14. m0rl0ck Consume! Conform! Obey! Registered Senior Member

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    What about their stellar work catching the anthrax terrorist?
    Or their work heading off 9/11? (especially various agent memos that im sure everyone is tired of hearing about)

    Currently the fbi is primarily the domestic enforcement arm of a political machine.

    I trust them to try to do what their told, honor, integrity, justice and public safety be damned.
     
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    My view of anthrax attack

    On Sept. 18, taking advantage of 911 WTC bombing, perpetrator mailed letters to NBC news. The anthrax inside was brown granular which might mean perpetrator intending at first not to kill but to intimidate.
    Perhaps disappointed with little reaction, they did it again(on Oct. 8), this time with a military grade anthrax. The letter to Senator Daschle and Leahy contained fine, white powder which mixed with a material designed to kill. And a man, Bob Stevens, died of anthrax on Oct. 5. His death caused fear of bio-chem attack nation wide. Anthrax crisis reached its peak on about Oct. 20, then faded away. During the period, it created a situation of bio-attack horror, put a pressure on legislation to pass through "patriot Act" to let Justice Department having more police power, push media and public to support government's war policy and also gave an excuse for government to extend war to Iraq. (The "Patriot Act" was proposed on Sept. 24 and passed in legislature on Oct.24. US started war in Afghan on Oct. 7)

    Rosenberg, a biologist, has testified on biological weapons before Congress, has recently published a paper contending that a government insider; or someone in contact with an insider, is behind the lethal attacks." (Excerpt from: San Jose Mercury News, page 9A,Dec. 2,2001. Topic:'Inside job probed in anthrax attack') One official (law enforcement agency) called Rosenberg theory " the most likely hypothesis".

    I believe the anthrax attack was done by Federal law enforcement agency. They have motives and resources.
    They are the one to be benefitted by the attack. They expanded their power by creating public's fear. They intimidated the media and legislation which are the check and balance to their power. They have the authority to access the secret lab under the name of 'security'. (like the case of Wen Ho Lee.)

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    1. The first victim is an editor of tabloid, a dislike of powerful US celebrities. His wife was the manager of apartments which had been rented to some 911 terrorists. He was possibly under FBI's surveillance. (consider thousand of aliens who even had no relationship to terrorist were detained by FBI)

    2. Government released information that Atta visited crop duster aircraft. Hinted Al-quada relating to bio warfare. Matching perpetrators' intention to owe it to 911 terrorists.

    3. Government released conflict information. Such like at first they said the material mixed in anthrax was bentonite, purposely to target at Iraq. Then admitted the material was silica, not used by Iraq, but US. It may proved that the perpetrators are not expert, only know little about the anthrax they were using and gave a wrong information when they making use of it.

    4. At the same time, government released information that Atta made contact to Iraq diplomat. It matched the theory of bentonite, made Iraq a big suspect.

    Most of these information can be only released by intelligence.

    5. . Though government said first that there were 30 to 40 places had access to the anthrax and much more people could produce it by cheap equipment, it's only an excuse that they are unwill to find real criminal. The anthrax in Senator's letter is military grade. A fruit of years' research and experiment. And even in US there maybe only one secret lab carrying it. And access to it must be very strict.

    6. US rejected a UN resolution condemning the anthrax attack. For what reason they did so if it's done by OBL, Al-quada, or domestic perpetrators? Unless it's done by they themselves.

    7. My personal experience told it was a practice of Federal law enforcement agency. From their swift response to my comments. And I think they originally only planned one death(Bob Stevens) to raise the public attention and fear. The later four deaths were cover up to the comment " Least casualties to raise public's scare".

    This elected government administration tries to hide something from people. They started a war but failed to give evidence, said that was for safety of informant. Then they want a military tribunal, what secret do they want to keep even they win a war? On Dec. 10, newspaper reported that Russian scientists had helped OBL to produce anthrax. Workshop was bombed away in war, but unknown quantity of anthrax might have been in abroad already. There was no detail, obviously let out by military or intelligence. An attemption to owe anthrax attack to terrorist when they failed to find a scapegoat of lone wolf? Perhaps that's why they limited media's report in Afghan war, and want a secret court. When US is the strongest power in the world, why there are so many things to be hided? If we have reason believe those who being sent to court are guilty, a military court only covers up corrupt government and criminal activities of it's official.
     
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    I do not think, FBI has the budget or the clout to carry out funny business these days. The CIA is a whole different issue. Watch "The Agency" at CBS television network.

    90 percent of the time, our FBI is involved in the forensics and management of ordinary criminal cases including organized crime where they have their hands full.

    I am sure we have organizations out there that is super secret like "No Such Agency" (NSA)...that may be involved with shenanigans directed by the rich and powerful.

    People forget the capabilities of our military and special forces. Against them, even CIA, NSA and FBI combined are powerless. He who controls those elite forces controls everything. In any country, military has the real power. Rest are on paper.
     
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    Do you know FBI loot from victims so make a huge profit like Mafia?

    8. FBI's profit

    Everything shows that law enforcement agent use isotope money tracing if you have cash savings at home. But how could they steal from innocent people?

    Later I learned from 'National Geography' (1961, June) In article " FBI: public friend number one ". ' Mr. Hoover prides upon the "profit" it shows annually. During fiscal 1960 the FBI received $113,600,000 in operating funds. Fines, savings, and recoveries of stolen property and contraband in cases investigated by the FBI amounted to $142,822,244, or $1.25 returned for every dollar invested by the taxpayer.' It's that 'profit' chase makes FBI a looter. It's that black box practise makes FBI closed and untouchable and new high tech weapons killing without trace makes them ruthless. How do you expect them be in justice while their purpose is pursuing 'profit'?

    We need an independent commission to check the conduct of law enforcement agency, or otherwise America is ruled by a government mafia.

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  18. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    There should be a clear line between what the FBI, state police, and the various national security groups are supposed to do.
     
  19. thecurly1 Registered Senior Member

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    Knock some heads, to get the Bureau moving again. They haven't had the greatest terror record, though they've been doing well lately.

    All in due time.
     
  20. Zero Banned Banned

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    At least we have one...

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  21. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    My opinion is that the FBI in at least to do the right thing. Hoover is a very particular case.....
     
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    Man Who FBI Knew to Be Innocent Served 30 Years

    Quote, "December 6, 2002
    Ex-Prosecutor Tells of Ties Between F.B.I. and Mob
    By FOX BUTTERFIELD


    One person listening to the testimony today, in the Suffolk County Courthouse, was Joseph Salvatti. In 1967 Mr. Salvatti was sentenced to life in prison for a murder actually committed by an F.B.I. informer, and the bureau allowed Mr. Salvatti and three other men to be wrongly convicted, with the knowledge of J. Edgar Hoover.

    "It's hard to sit listening, knowing the F.B.I. and the U.S. Attorney's office are lying, said Mr. Salvatti, who had his sentence commuted after serving 30 years in prison. "The bottom line is, they don't care."

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  23. Joeman Eviiiiiiiil Clown Registered Senior Member

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    FBI is the finest law enforcement agency in the whole world.
     

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