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View Full Version : What is trust?
cosmictraveler 08-09-07, 10:45 AM Do we just trust others because we know them or know a little about them like our leaders?
Do we trust strangers to take care of our children without any real proof as to what they can do or have done in the past?
Blind faith is sometimes used, is that why people are always taken advantage of in life?
Blind faith is sometimes used, is that why people are always taken advantage of in life?
Yes.
Orleander 08-09-07, 11:11 AM a lot of trust has nothing to do with knowledge. It has to do with gut feelings. Since my divorce I have become a better judge of character. So many times I say "There's just something about that person I don't like"
I trust people because I know them.
I trust strangers with my children only if people I trust, trust them. I also have to trust the gvmt agency that licensed them. I also trust my child. If they don't like it, we find a different daycare. My hardest thing right now is trusting the adults in the house my daughter spends the night at. She no longer spends the night at one friends house because the dad creeped me out. Just a feeling.
If you don't trust people long enough they will prove you right. If I didn't trust my husband to be faithful and always checked up on him, I do not doubt for a second, one day he would cheat on me. My lack of trust would create a hostile environment that no marriage could survive.
Baron Max 08-09-07, 11:19 AM In today's world, today's society, we're "forced" to trust people ...there just ain't no way around it. We order a hamburger at a burger joint, and we "trust" that no one back there is spitting on the burgers or wiping his dick on the buns!
Trust today is not the same thing as it was 100 years ago ...or even 50 years ago.
Baron Max
cosmictraveler 08-09-07, 11:24 AM In today's world, today's society, we're "forced" to trust people ...there just ain't no way around it. We order a hamburger at a burger joint, and we "trust" that no one back there is spitting on the burgers or wiping his dick on the buns!
Trust today is not the same thing as it was 100 years ago ...or even 50 years ago.
Baron Max
That is why I eat only sushi so that I can watch them wash, clean and cut up the fish I eat right in front of me.
Baron Max 08-09-07, 11:28 AM That is why I eat only sushi so that I can watch them wash, clean and cut up the fish I eat right in front of me.
Perhaps. But maybe the fishermen put the freshly caught fish in big tanks and pissed in the tank on the way to the market.
And don't forget all the pollutants in the ocean ...which the fish have been sucking in for years and it's all packed away in their flesh ...which you eat raw.
Baron Max
Orleander 08-09-07, 11:58 AM or the fish are fromChina (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-seafood_bd_1jul01,1,7107928.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true).
Yeah, I'm sitting here eating my sushi as well. Thanks Baron. :p LOL You are right though.
nietzschefan 08-09-07, 12:02 PM In today's world, today's society, we're "forced" to trust people ...there just ain't no way around it. We order a hamburger at a burger joint, and we "trust" that no one back there is spitting on the burgers or wiping his dick on the buns!
Trust today is not the same thing as it was 100 years ago ...or even 50 years ago.
Baron Max
An excellent update for the immune systems and perhaps a little bit of added protein.
lucifers angel 08-09-07, 12:12 PM Do we just trust others because we know them or know a little about them like our leaders?
Do we trust strangers to take care of our children without any real proof as to what they can do or have done in the past?
Blind faith is sometimes used, is that why people are always taken advantage of in life?
no, i dont trust the goverment, just ahs much has i dont trust my mum!!
Trust is a probability-assessment of future performance based on interpretation of existing evidence.
We "trust" our friends to do things because we have a good level of evidence that they will perform in the way we expect.
We "trust" governments (or don't) based on how we interpret their performance to-date.
As for "gut-feel" - this is usually the subconscious having picked up some signal (also evidence) that you can't fully put into words / formulate / understand.
But other than "blind faith" (absence of evidence), all faith / trust is just an assessment of future performance.
Some trust is explicit - i.e. you tell someone "I am trusting you to do this..." etc but most is implicit.
However, when trust is broken - who should you blame (if you are one to assign blame to things)...?
- Do you blame the person who has broken your trust?
- Do you blame yourself for your inaccurate assessment of that person?
Either way, a breaking of trust usually results in a more conservative assessment of future performance-prediction.
This may be a tad more scientific a view than you might have wanted - but I think it holds.
cosmictraveler 08-11-07, 06:49 AM From Wikipedia,
A monadic truth predicate is one that applies to its main subject — typically a concrete representation or its abstract content — independently of reference to anything else. In this case one can say that a truth bearer is true in and of itself.
A dyadic truth predicate is one that applies to its main subject only in reference to something else, a second subject. Most commonly, the auxiliary subject is either an object, an interpreter, or a language to which the representation bears some relation.
A triadic truth predicate is one that applies to its main subject only in reference to a second and a third subject. For example, in a pragmatic theory of truth, one has to specify both the object of the sign, and either its interpreter or another sign called the interpretant before one can say that the sign is true of its object to its interpreting agent or sign.
Several qualifications must be kept in mind with respect to any such radically simple scheme of classification, as real practice seldom presents any pure types, and there are settings in which it is useful to speak of a theory of truth that is "almost" k-adic, or that "would be" k-adic if certain details can be abstracted away and neglected in a particular context of discussion. That said, given the generic division of truth predicates according to their arity, further species can be differentiated within each genus according to a number of more refined features.
The truth predicate of interest in a typical correspondence theory of truth tells of a relation between representations and objective states of affairs, and is therefore expressed, for the most part, by a dyadic predicate. In general terms, one says that a representation is true of an objective situation, more briefly, that a sign is true of an object. The nature of the correspondence may vary from theory to theory in this family. The correspondence can be fairly arbitrary or it can take on the character
Cyperium 08-15-07, 10:48 AM Do we just trust others because we know them or know a little about them like our leaders?
Do we trust strangers to take care of our children without any real proof as to what they can do or have done in the past?
Blind faith is sometimes used, is that why people are always taken advantage of in life?I think that we trust others because we trust ourselves and don't see any reason not to trust others.
We should generally trust people, but when they take advantage of you then let them know. If we didn't generally trust people then why would it be wrong to take advantage of someone? It was expected after all...
Baron Max 08-15-07, 12:12 PM We should generally trust people, ...
We usually call people like that "victims".
Baron Max
Wisdom_Seeker 08-15-07, 12:42 PM Actually, trust in people is just a reflection of trusting your own self. If you don´t trust yourself, you will never be able to trust anybody else; and if you trust yourself wholeheartedly, the trust in other people come naturally...
Cyperium 08-15-07, 12:55 PM We usually call people like that "victims".
Baron Max-1: We?
0: You don't trust other people?
1: If the only way to not trust other people was to not trust yourself, do you still don't trust other people?
2: If you don't trust other people would you still don't trust other people if someone you didn't trust said to you, that if you don't trust other people you will be punished?
3: If you don't trust yourself, and you trust other people, would that mean that you would trust yourself to trust other people?
4: If you trust yourself, and you don't trust other people, would that mean that you would not trust yourself to trust other people?
Actually, trust in people is just a reflection of trusting your own self. If you donīt trust yourself, you will never be able to trust anybody else; and if you trust yourself wholeheartedly, the trust in other people come naturally...
Do you live in the real world ?
One can perfectly trust oneself while not be trusting toward most others. Experience with people teaches you not to trust just anybody.
Wisdom_Seeker 08-15-07, 01:34 PM Do you live in the real world ?
One can perfectly trust oneself while not be trusting toward most others. Experience with people teaches you not to trust just anybody.
I trust people man, you can call that dumb, but I do. Why you say? Because I would like other people to trust me, and that is what I give to others, what I would like to receive from them.
You say that you can trust oneself, but it is easier said than done. Not many people can live without the vice of emotions triggered by the external world.
cosmictraveler 08-15-07, 01:38 PM Jim Morrison...." Expose yourself to your deepest fear; after that, fear has no power, and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes. You are free."
I trust people man, you can call that dumb, but I do. Why you say? Because I would like other people to trust me, and that is what I give to others, what I would like to receive from them.
You say that you can trust oneself, but it is easier said than done. Not many people can live without the vice of emotions triggered by the external world.
Its not that im distrustful to others before i even met them. I dont have any stance on that until i met them, then i judge wether i can trust them and with what. Most of the time i deem people trustworthy in general. But sometimes i find someones behaviour an indication of possibly being untrustworthy. I dont take any chances, if i have doubts about someone i generally dont trust them enough to leave them alone around my wallet or whatever.
If you present to me a random stranger and ask me to trust him/her i wont, i can tell you now.
lucifers angel 08-15-07, 02:16 PM Its not that im distrustful to others before i even met them. I dont have any stance on that until i met them, then i judge wether i can trust them and with what. Most of the time i deem people trustworthy in general. But sometimes i find someones behaviour an indication of possibly being untrustworthy. I dont take any chances, if i have doubts about someone i generally dont trust them enough to leave them alone around my wallet or whatever.
If you present to me a random stranger and ask me to trust him/her i wont, i can tell you now.
i find it very hard to trust anyone, it could be anyone!!
Baron Max 08-15-07, 06:40 PM i find it very hard to trust anyone, it could be anyone!!
Of course. But ask yourself this; Why should I trust someone that I don't know?
I mean, what's trust that we should just give it away at the drop of a hat? Why should we trust people that we don't know?
Again, and I think it's relatively important. Why should you trust some that you don't know?
And is it enough just to say it? Is that what trust has become ...just a word that has little or no meaning?
Baron Max
So many times I say "There's just something about that person I don't like".Funny. I say the exact opposite.
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