I reckon the best punk band ever is the sex pistols because they just don't give a shit about anything. They're anachists and they sing anything about angthing like they slag off the queen and they don't care. They're music is excellent as well plus they're lyrics are.
What are your thoughts about them?

Sex Pistols are good. Heh, I always crack up on old interviews with John Lydon. I love how he doesn't take any fake BS from interviewers and the like.

Back in high school though, my favorite band was Good Riddance, from Santa Cruz.

- N

Saw the Sex Pistols years ago at Talisyn Ballroom in Memphis. Absolutely the worst live performance I've ever seen. There wasn't a true musician in the band. Just a lot of racket. They were fucking God awful.

I'd have to go with Suicidal Tendencies. They kinda skirt the line between punk and metal, but they began as skateboard punk. Violente femmes had a good song or two as well, never heard much of their stuff though. I've always thought the Sex Pistols were overrated.

Just a lot of racket. They were fucking God awful.

Impossible to argue with - maybe good in their hay-day due to them being, can i say 'unique'?

Famous for one song does not really make them the best punk band ever.

In all honesty i just don't like punk. :D

Dead Kennedys..without a doubt.

"Famous for one song does not really make them the best punk band ever."

If that's what you think of the Sex Pistols, then I don't think you're qualified to post in a Punk thread.

In my humble opinion, the only punk band ever was the Sex Pistols.
If you ask people in my year, they'll tell you that Blink 182, Sum 41 and other crap bands with numbers in their names are punk.
Personally, I find that the term "punk" refers specifically to an era, a mentality, a style which can't be reproduced now.
People to tell me to get with the times, after all, Pop isn't what it used to be, and Rock is more than Buddy Holly.

But I refuse to ever qualify Good Charlotte or any other pop/rock shit as punk.

PS: Dead Kennedys rock!

I like punk, but I don't like an individual band. There are a few songs from each "punk" band that I like.

The Ramones and The Clash

how can you call The Clash "punk"?

because they are?

Ramones ... Sex Pistols.

I put a few bands that I didn't really listen to before The Clash ... but I didn't really listen to them, either. But The Clash does warrant mention.

Regarding the latest punking of punk, there are a number of bands that I won't even name, because to mention them in connection with punk in the first place would be sinful, even to denounce them.

However, I will mention one, and I don't necessarily hold with the classification entirely myself, but some around me have called The Offspring punk, and that's officially the bottom of the punk barrel for me.

On Edit:

I decided to go look up two words to see if they occurred together enough on the web to overcome my typical prejudice toward including the band elsewhere.

The "ayes" have it.

Mudhoney is the best punk band ever. I generally don't think of them as punk, but it turns out I might be the only one.

Ramones' "Warthog" is the epitome of punk. I don't think the Sex Pistols are terrific since they haven't much ability with their instruments.

Too bad punk's dead, since the Man decided to replace it with money-grubbing pop-punk boy-bands.

The Offspring is definite punk (at least when punk picked up ska) but it's all before their album Smash.

everything after Smash sucked.

No one's mentioned AFI? They are the best in my opinion, but I am not a huge fan of the genre. Great musicians, a great vocalist, and amazing lyrics.

The Clash.

Sex Pistols without a doubt, one of the few true punk bands, thing is they admitted their songs were complete bollocks and most people still like it, definately not over rated and anyone with the never mind the bollocks album knows that they have more than 1 good song.

AFI, Offspring... all this crap isn't punk.

The Clash are amazing!!!! But not punk.

What about Suicidal Tendencies?

...............................
you know when people are really angry and they do things like this
aahurja hlkjfhkjfha lnb
for ages in their posts, because thats what they are thinking in real life?
well im doing that in my head, now, at the idea that half of these bands are being mentioned in a thread with the word 'punk' in it.
sum 41. (cue ajfhkahk 's.) i literally choke on my own distaste.
i would normally now list the other bands that have been mentioned but i am afraid that i will go mad pver the idea of soiling the name of punk.


anyway.

sex pistols have got to be in contention. one of the first to make it big, and while they are nothing really now their legacy is still here and they might get it for that.
meanwhile as an alternative, i suggest the refused.
they are not strctly punk musically, often even going into the unknown lands (and perverse ones at that of dance beats (they do make it up in proper punk music))
lyrically, they are strictly anti-capitalist
"i've got a bone to pick with capitalism, and a few to break" (first line of 'worms of the senses/faculties of the skull' which is first track offf 'he shape of punk to come',
which is frankly one of the best albums ever. buy it i reccomend.

so thats what i think, but it doesnt really matter.

in that case, any hate filled communist band is punk...

in a minute, someone will post and say; "Yeah, Rage Against The Machine are the BEST FUCKING PUNK BAND EVER!"



No.
Please no.
Define punk.
Anyone.
Now.

Buzzcocks.

Anything after them would be judged based on their sound and feel. Everything else imitated them, and then propagated. Sex Pistols weren't prolific enough to be counted amoung the best. And I saw them live as well, and frankly they sounded like bunch of pre-teen wannabe's in person.

AFI, Rage, and Mudhoney are not punk. Angst does not mean punk. Anger, does not mean punk. They are Angst-Rock at best, but not punk. Rage comes close to being punk if it weren't for all the BS Hip-Hop and Rap undertones and various sound bites from other music they throw into their sound. They are too pop to be prolific as well, because they tried to hard to be liked by too many people.

Punk music was a statement more than it was a particular sound. It was a feel and a movement more than it was a music genre. Punk music gave birth to several music genres in the same way Grunge music gave birth to alternative. But to say that all Alternative is Grunge is silly just like saying anything with a hard sound and hard message is punk.

A Different Kind of Tension

"wait here, go there come in, stay out be yourself, be someone else obey the law, break the law be ambitious, be modest plan ahead, be spontaneous decide for yourself, listen to others save money, spend money be good, be evil be wise, be foolish be safe, be dangerous be satisfied, be envious be honest, be deceitful be faithful, be perfidious be sane, be mad be strong, be weak be enigmatic, be plain be aggressive, be peaceful be brave, be timid be humane, be cruel be critical, be appreciative be temperamental, calm be sad, be happy be normal, be unusual stop, go live, die yes, no rebel, submit right, wrong sit down, stand up create, destroy accept, reject talk, silence speed up, slow down this way, that way right, left present, absent open, closed entrance, exit believe, doubt truth, lies escape, meet love, hate thank you, flunk clarify, pollute simple, complex nothing, something stop, go live, die yes, no rebel, submit right, wrong sit down, stand up create, destroy accept, reject talk, silence."

~The Buzzcocks

"Buzzcocks are the true godfathers of punk-pop, having laid down an infinitely superior archetype. The band is unfazed by their explosive impact on younger bands, both famous and underground, from pop to punk and all in between"

- www.buzzcocks.com

No.

And there are some Punkish bands now, but I haven't heard anyone mention them. Pennywise, Green Day, Rancid, NOFX, Millencolin, Lagwagon, Guttermouth and The Vandyls to name a few.

in that case, any hate filled communist band is punk...

in a minute, someone will post and say; "Yeah, Rage Against The Machine are the BEST FUCKING PUNK BAND EVER!"



No.
Please no.
Define punk.
Anyone.
Now.

well hold on their. i didnt mean that any anti-capitalist band is punk.
i once argued at lunchtime for about a week over what defines punk and we never agreed in the end.
is it anti-authoritarian lyrics. (you dont seem to think so)
is it record, show and merchandise pricing i.e. keeping it low. (johhny quest seems to think ltj arent punk even though their prices were low so the answer is no.
is it music. i dont think so, since its usually just drums, guitars, etc.

so what do you think it is?

Punk is music...

It's the Sex Pistols, it's that vibe... it's the mentality, not the wanna-be that followed it. It's specific to that time.

Some styles don't evolve. They become locked in the timeframe that created them.
Like Grunge...
like older stuff.

You love them because of what they represent.

And there are some Punkish bands now, but I haven't heard anyone mention them. Pennywise, Green Day, Rancid, NOFX, Millencolin, Lagwagon, Guttermouth and The Vandyls to name a few.


"punkish" is more appropriate a word than "punk".

Greenday are Rock.
Same for some others in that list... I don't know them all.

The Vandyls, having watched them live, I say: They SUCK.
And they're not punk.

i must say Wha?? to that post.
so your saying that the music itself is the definition of punk?

Culture Shock :mosh:

http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/Punk_photos/CULTURE_SHOCK_band_photo.htm

Green Day is punkish. They are punk-rock.

And I said punkish, and not punk for a good reason. Punk is no longer alive and well, the feel is gone just like the Grunge feel is gone. There are bands now that have the grunge feel, but are alternative. There are punkish bands, but are considered rock.

Punks defined what punk music was. It was a rebellion against pop, disco, society, government, religion and normality. It was a feel and a movement more than just a music style.

"Alternative" is such a good word...

I mean, heck! What is it alternative to? It's becoming Mainstream!!! How do we save ourselves form that, eh?

"Alternative" is such a good word...

I mean, heck! What is it alternative to? It's becoming Mainstream!!! How do we save ourselves form that, eh?

Don't buy the bad alternative... that's how. Plenty of it out there too. Listen to it on internet radio first to see if you like the album and never ever buy what your friends suggest.

"Alternative" is such a good word...

not as good as 'nibble'
thats an excellent sounding word.

arditezza: THANK you. thats goddam correct and i never even thought of it.

lol... I never do.

We only get crap radio here, but there is this program, from 1am to 3am, called "The Wolf's Hour" [but in Portuguese; A Hora do Lobo] and that has the BEST Alternative music. The guy who runs that program rarely plays the same song twice in a week, and there are always new bands.

launchcast is excellent cause you get stuff you like but it does actually throw up something good evey now and again.

AFI, Offspring... all this crap isn't punk.

The Clash are amazing!!!! But not punk.


Um.. yes they are.

Fuck the Sex Pistols. Sid Vicious was an half-retarded, addicted wanker. That's no great obstacle to musical success or talent, though. More to the point, he couldn't play his fucking instrument. Even more to the point, the band was an artificial creation, as much as any of Lou Pearlman's shit-puppets.

i think that has been established after... 30 years?
but the point is that what else was mainstream and was like that?
and so forth.

Fuck the Sex Pistols. Sid Vicious was an half-retarded, addicted wanker.

So? Jonny Rotten wasn't.

::bangs head against monitor:: i'm going to cry. please stop. please. you're bastardizing my subculture.

good for him, does it really matter what they were like, its the music that matters isnt it?

of course... but it helps if people can catagorize properly.

why do we need to catagorize, why dont people just listen to what they like and sod off out of other peoples musical tastes and going 'dam dey is s*i*e'
actually, i did that earlier.
o let them get on with it.

"of course... but it helps if people can catagorize properly. "
it can help. but based on your categorization of the sex pistols however, you cannot.

i refuse to get all punker-than-thou. so i will quietly exit the thread now. tata!

bye, o wait, youve already gone and closed the door.

BYE

did you hear that. o dam.

DID YOU HEAR THAT???

nevermind.

the sex pistols knew their "don't give a shit attitude" was gonna make them famous, their music concept was taken from the ramones and morrisseys lyrics to "the queen is dead" were more offensive.

punk is about frustrated people making themselves heard, being able to play wasn't the point.

"famous for one song" doesn't make someone punk, you're right, famous for no songs is probably more punk !

i think punk is a mentality, not an era, the same attitude can still be used to tackle contemporary issues.

and why is fashionable to dis pop punk, i'm not a fan myself but, weren't the ramones, the buzzcocks and the undertones pop punk ?!
as far as the clash go, they had alot of musical influences, their songs were political (is that what makes punk, i dunno) but i always think they were too corporate to really be punk in my opinion.

all that said, i don't like political or hardcore music so maybe i'm not qualified to comment on punk in some peoples opinions, so i'll be off to listen to some LINK WRAY.

bye,
Dale

of course... but it helps if people can catagorize properly.

Your precious Sex Pistols would be rolling in the grave at that (If they were all dead... :p) Punk is about removing labels, being free of the constraints of popular culture. Grunge was much the same way. Grunge was really punk, but was labelled grunge by marketing rats to sell to little johnny and sexy susie at the local record store. Metal music in the 80's attempted this as well, but eventually fell into the trap of labels (thrash, speed metal, grindcore, yadda yadda). Labels are merely the leashes about your necks, placed there by the marketing scumbags from the record companies so they can make detailed reports on the shopping patterns of various subcultures. Throw off your leash children.

thats beacause no matter what someone does theyll allways fall inot one catogory or another.

You know, this reminds me of the Genres of music don´t exist (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34935) thread.

thats really great wuss-5, it really is.

thats beacause no matter what someone does theyll allways fall inot one catogory or another.

No, they do not always fall into one category or the other, they are placed there. Your perception of inevitability in this process shows that you have accepted the leash about your throat. Enjoy your Brittany Spears.

thats really great wuss-5, it really is.

Maybe if you read the thread, you might learn something. Then you might become logically sound. Until then, your terminology shows once more the leash about your throat. I believe Johnny Rotten would call you a wanker. Sid Vicious would probably just club you with his guitar.

well done..... 800 posts.
frankly, if you say i like britney spears once more i will kill you in my head with a big spike.

and i said it was great? sorry if you thought i was bein sarcastic.

i can't help but post! aah!

were you not aware that the sex pistols were a manufactured band? they are known among the punk community as the first "boy band". they were created by a record company who saw an opening in popular music for them due to the underground following of punk bands at the time. their songs and "fuck you" attitude were entirely made up and handed to them on a script. regardless of what genre they played (unless you are with wes #5 on genres not existing), that removes them entirely from the punk genre. ok i kind of like some of the monkees' songs, but fake bands don't count in music scenes.
p.s. there is no such thing as 'best' when we're talking punk. an understanding of the genre should make that obvious. there is only relatively better and worse.

kill me if i set foot in this thread again.

ok.

didnt know that.

SwedishFish,

You make sense. I had forgotten about the previous posts about the manufacturedness of the Sex Pistols. I never liked them to begin with so don't know much about them. So my point of punk existing as a rebellion against categorization and popularism still stands, but in this view the Sex Pistols are in fact the leash by the marketing scumbags. And what a good job they did too, huh? All these years later they are still touted as the "best" punk bad.

My feeling of genre is that genre's do, in fact, exist. But are not cut and dry. One blends softly into the other. And a true musician would stifle in the confines of any one genre in particular.

I am honored to have pulled you into a thread which you had chosen to boycott. Personally, I say your input is invaluable. But of course, I suppose the topic has drifted from who the best punk band is (which is unanswerable) to what is punk (which is certainly debatable.)


Logically Unsound,

C'mon you know you love Brittany, or is it Blink 182? :p

About the post count, it will go down once the Wes thread has run its course and is categorized in the proper forum.

mate, just shove those comments where they belong (not talking about the cesspool, but possibly something similar)
i dont like any form of pop-shit and i dont like r n' b or whhatthefuck that stuff is called.
hiphop is alright, along with every other 'genre' except the ones above, drum and bass, and folk/country. (maybe some others i forget about as well)

i only said sex pistols since they were the first. if they are manufactured then they can piss off.
i now say refused. they are excellent.

[QUOTE=invert_nexus]Your precious Sex Pistols would be rolling in the grave at that (If they were all dead... :p) Punk is about removing labels... dadada yadaydada blublibla... [QUOTE]

were they all dead, they'd be rolling in their graves at what some people call punk these days!!!

They'd probably just be rolling their graves period. :p Too many drugs and their nervous systems keep twitching...

woudnt having graves be a bit too expected for such a 'fringe group' LOL

G.G. Allen, whose life was pure punk,
and, because technically he was not a band,

The Meatmen

were they all dead, they'd be rolling in their graves at what some people call punk these days!!!
Or perhaps they would be rolling in their graves at the idea of people trying to categorize music with subjective and arbitrary parameters, and then arguing about who's right and who's wrong.

or maybe they wont be rolling, cause their bodies would be decomposed and there is no after-life.
lets stop all this hootananny.

X Is my all time favorite but they probably aren't what one would consider your traditional punk band. Probably most here are too young to remember or have even heard of them.

ive heard of them but i havent heard them.
refused = best.

Didn't X tour a couple years ago?

:( I wouldn't know I have been out of the country since 2000. I kicked myself hard over here, John Doe the former lead singer of X came to my little town in Norway and I didn't see the posters for it till 2 days after the show :mad: . That's what its like when you get all old and daddyfied and stop paying attention I guess :p

X? You don't mean the Christian band do you?

X? You don't mean the Christian band do you?

God no I mean the real X (http://www.canoe.ca/JamAlbumsX/x_reissues-can.html)

Plasmatics

Man i thought puck died in the early 90's....... :bugeye:

Mudhoney is the best punk band ever. I generally don't think of them as punk, but it turns out I might be the only one.

As the gods would have it, Mudhoney just happens to be playing in my little corner of the world tommorrow at a festival here. So I'm thinking I can maybe trust your opinion on this one and go see them :)

I registered just to say this:

Sex Pistols
Ramones
Dead Kennedys

(in no particular order).

The three are in no way comparable and that is what makes punk great.

SideShow,

What do you say about the claim that the sex pistols were manufactured to exploit the punk scene?

I also have to mention my friend's band, Deisel Sperm, who's bloody fiasco at the alcoholics anonymous biker bar will be forever remembered, not to mention their opiated and intoxicated appearance on public access cable TV.

Invert,

No question the Pistols were a manufactured band.
What band isn't manufactured to some degree? And back in the '70s, before CD technology, a band had to have some sort of commercial backing or nobody would hear them.
The bands that the Pistols "exploited" may well have been better, but without the recording and distribution, who ever heard of them?

My main point was about how different my three favoutite punk bands are/were (as compared to the "clonishness" of todays bands).

Those bands aren't all that different ... okay, so Biafra's lyrics are fairly intelligent, whereas the Ramones are relentlessly albeit intentionally stupid, and I suppose the Ramones are a little happier than the other two, but they don't sound that different. I mean, the Clash, regardless of whether or not they're punk, cover more musical territory on London Calling alone than the Ramones, the Sex Pistols, and the Dead Kennedys did together.

To each his/her own.
I agree that the Clash were probably more talented, sophisticated, etc. than the three I mentioned. (Again, that was not my point.)
But I never cared much for the Clash. Too much too say. I don't listen to music to learn anything.
(Good line, though: You have the right to free speech, as long as you don't say too much".)

Cant believe no one mentioned RANCID.

L7 is another I would put high up there on my list.

This is crazy. MINOR THREAT, people.

That's by MY definition of what "punk" is / was. The term "punk" is something that everyone applies a very personal, limited standard to. It's what they first grasped as being "punk", but there's really no objective definition. It really doesn't exist; just like "grunge".

It's hard to compare them, too. How do you compare the angriness / social commentary of Minor Threat to the "hey, let's go sniff some glue" outlook of The Ramones? You can't, but I love both bands anyway.

Minor Threat is a minor threat.

Minor Threat is a minor threat.

Ironically, THEY were the first ones to say so. It's basically the chorus of one their songs, I can't remember the title.....Oh yeah, it's called "Minor Threat". :D

But if you are looking for debate, they're a minor threat in relation to whom? Please don't say the Sex Pistols; I want a real discussion.

Greenday has always impressed me.

Ironically, THEY were the first ones to say so. It's basically the chorus of one their songs, I can't remember the title.....Oh yeah, it's called "Minor Threat". :D

But if you are looking for debate, they're a minor threat in relation to whom? Please don't say the Sex Pistols; I want a real discussion.

No offense intended.
As you say, they said it. Perhaps I should have attributed the quote.

I see no point in debating a matter of individual taste. We might as well debate our favourite flavour of ice cream (chocolate).

What about some of the modern punk bands like Anti-Flag, Misfits, The Casualities, Virus 9, Bad Religion, The Virus, ect. I dont think anybody has named some of those yet.

Misfits aren't modern.

yea they are. almost all those started a while ago but are still going. and i dont think i mentioned nofx.

Dead Milkmen

less than jake

yea they are. almost all those started a while ago but are still going. and i dont think i mentioned nofx.

Still going in a bastardized form, but when you're cobbling together a band of one Ramone, one Black Flag guy, and one original Misfit, you're not really a band. You're a nostalgia act.

no your not, youd be a nostalgia act if they went around playing their old songs. if they play new stuff, let em do it, and if its good, so be it.
'btw', nofx suck.

I just had to say I dislike the idea of "punk" and all things relating to that these days. Punk music has just become 20yo boys in black clothing and make-up attempting to be different to the mainstream bands. "Punks", those damn punks. Maybe it's just where I live but all the "punks" here wear black and think they're "hardcore" by listening to pop bands like good charlotte, and cry that no one understands and that they hate being labelled (goddam what do you expect when you purposly dress as those punk bands do)
And I refuse to hear otherwise.

Jadeflower, THE CLASH is a punk band !!! Just listen to the first and the second album, listen to songs as "white riot", "complete control", "clash city rockers" etc.
People today forget it's a punk band 'cause in their last years, they made also reggay, ska, etc. and hits as " rock the casbah" ... but they are basically a punk band, with punk attitude and music.
In the punk site, PUNK 77, there are pages on the Clash like in all the websites on punk bands:
http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/clash.htm


and, well, of course I vote for THE CLASH as to me, they've done better albums than the Ramones or the Sex pistols ... Sex Pistols had the attitude but they didn't know how to play music :( It's not a good band AT ALL !

In NME website, The clash have been voted best punk band of all times :
http://www.nme.com/news/102109.htm

http://clashphotorockers.free.fr/images/pose/02pose4clash02.jpg
http://clashphotorockers.free.fr/images/pose/01pose4clash13.jpg
http://clashphotorockers.free.fr/images/scene/04clash-scotland77.jpg
http://clashphotorockers.free.fr/images/bordel/09bordelmag11.jpg
http://clashphotorockers.free.fr/images/bordel/06bordelaff10.jpg

The Clash, pistols, the dammed. thats it.

how can the pistols be punk if they were manufactured?
it doesnt matter, punk is incredibly relative, so no one band could ever really be described as the best ever full stop.


im sure even someone somewhere believes avril lavigne is punk...... and believes she is the best ever.
but you cant knock it, its opinion.

Well definitely NOT Good Charlotte.

Yeah ! and she is said to have asserted in a teenage mag' that she was a kind of punk ( " a Sid Vicious for a new generation" dixit Miss Lavigne ) ... and when a journalist asked about it to Johnny Rotten ( The Pistols singer ), he got angry ... lol
Here is what he answered ( translation from a french mag )
" Being punk is being independant from the musical companies. When you strut in video clips that cost hundreds thousands dollars, you are not free towards the companies. To hear Avril Lavigne or Kelly Osbourne saying what is punk, this is unbearable. (...) Those who claim themself the punkest are not punks."

All the ones I haven't heard. :D

Yeah ! and she is said to have asserted in a teenage mag' that she was a kind of punk ( " a Sid Vicious for a new generation" dixit Miss Lavigne ) ... and when a journalist asked about it to Johnny Rotten ( The Pistols singer ), he got angry ... lol
Here is what he answered ( translation from a french mag )
" Being punk is being independant from the musical companies. When you strut in video clips that cost hundreds thousands dollars, you are not free towards the companies. To hear Avril Lavigne or Kelly Osbourne saying what is punk, this is unbearable. (...) Those who claim themself the punkest are not punks."

Lavigne and Osbourne sicken me so much.

I reckon the best punk band ever is the sex pistols because they just don't give a shit about anything. They're anachists and they sing anything about angthing like they slag off the queen and they don't care. They're music is excellent as well plus they're lyrics are.
What are your thoughts about them?
I think your exactly right, i dont know if this is an american site but can i recomend the clash and the stiff little fingers.
im sure if u like the sex pistols u should like the stiff little fingers, they are an irish punk band with great lyrics and tunes. if u want to get an album get inflammibe material, this is their first.
p.s sex pistols are my fav band :D

Buzzcocks.

Anything after them would be judged based on their sound and feel. Everything else imitated them, and then propagated. Sex Pistols weren't prolific enough to be counted amoung the best. And I saw them live as well, and frankly they sounded like bunch of pre-teen wannabe's in person.

AFI, Rage, and Mudhoney are not punk. Angst does not mean punk. Anger, does not mean punk. They are Angst-Rock at best, but not punk. Rage comes close to being punk if it weren't for all the BS Hip-Hop and Rap undertones and various sound bites from other music they throw into their sound. They are too pop to be prolific as well, because they tried to hard to be liked by too many people.

Punk music was a statement more than it was a particular sound. It was a feel and a movement more than it was a music genre. Punk music gave birth to several music genres in the same way Grunge music gave birth to alternative. But to say that all Alternative is Grunge is silly just like saying anything with a hard sound and hard message is punk.

A Different Kind of Tension

"wait here, go there come in, stay out be yourself, be someone else obey the law, break the law be ambitious, be modest plan ahead, be spontaneous decide for yourself, listen to others save money, spend money be good, be evil be wise, be foolish be safe, be dangerous be satisfied, be envious be honest, be deceitful be faithful, be perfidious be sane, be mad be strong, be weak be enigmatic, be plain be aggressive, be peaceful be brave, be timid be humane, be cruel be critical, be appreciative be temperamental, calm be sad, be happy be normal, be unusual stop, go live, die yes, no rebel, submit right, wrong sit down, stand up create, destroy accept, reject talk, silence speed up, slow down this way, that way right, left present, absent open, closed entrance, exit believe, doubt truth, lies escape, meet love, hate thank you, flunk clarify, pollute simple, complex nothing, something stop, go live, die yes, no rebel, submit right, wrong sit down, stand up create, destroy accept, reject talk, silence."

~The Buzzcocks The buzzcocks were great pop punk as were the undertones but best punk band ever i think not. :(

I think that many of the best punk bands never get famous. When I go to Toronto, some of the punk band that are playing in the clubs are very good. It's a hit and miss thing for getting a record contract let alone publicity.

have you people heard 'the shape of punk to come'

- 'best ever'.

Sex Pistols for sure, Anarchy in the UK!

but the were a thing band. you know... put together by the industry types.
how can they be punk after that.
surely, that sort of classes them as 'actors' or something?