What is the aim of technological development?

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  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What do you think?

    Is there a point where humans will say - ''we have everything we need, let's just enjoy life''?

    Who is behind the rapid advancement of technology?

    Is the aim to benefit humankind, or only some humans?

    And finally, why do we need to advance any further than our current position?

    Discuss....

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    What is the aim of technological development? " To satisfy human curiosity
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    Is there a point where humans will say - ''we have everything we need, let's just enjoy life''? yes as you pass the age of 65

    " Who is behind the rapid advancement of technology? The business man

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    And finally, why do we need to advance any further than our current position? Because we covet of what the other have the age prior retirement 65
     
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  5. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    It's been over 110F in North Central Texas lately. I'm sure glad we didn't stop advancing prior to the development of Air Conditioning.
     
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  7. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The post-industrial era has been called the Information Age for the very good reason that the thrust of this era's technological progress is primarily concerned with the accumulation, organization, storage, retrieval, and use of information.

    We are the only species of life on this planet that can store information and pass it on to our descendants. So far the more primitive data storage technologies (paper and ink) have played major roles in the advance of our culture. It's unlikely that the Renaissance or Reformation could have happened without written language, and the Enlightenment would have been impossible.

    Today electronically stored and transmitted information is arguably the greatest single force in the twin inexorable trends of more democracy and less poverty. People who can communicate over long distances are able to share ideas and spread good news and encouragement, as well as planning and organizing what they're going to do about their problems.

    Electronic information transmission is even the major tool in the final transition of our species from rival tribes fighting each other into a single global civilization. As I have noted before, the U.S. government has been telling us for three decades that Iranians are our enemies. Yet when Neda Agha Soltan was gunned down in the streets of Tehran by agents of a repressive theocratic government, people on the scene transmitted real-time cellphone images of her death around the world... and Americans wept for her. Country/western singers, who represent the most xenophobic portion of our population, wrote songs about her.

    Neda was our sister, our daughter, our friend. We are all one people.

    So yes, we need to continue advancing in this direction, and technology is the means.
     
  8. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    In the future perhaps all diseases that are genetically carried over from generation to generation will be cured, that in itself would be a very good and important thing to have technology try to develop. Wouldn't anyone think that is so? Then there's global warming, renewable energy and curing other diseases and medical concerns that would help many to live a better life.

    There's always a down side to technology but as long as we keep careful regulations against terrible things that might happen I believe that technology will be helpful for the most part in the future as long as it is used correctly and with care.
     
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Indeed there has almost always been a down side to every technology, and certainly to the major paradigm-shifting technologies.

    Look at agriculture, the twin technologies of farming and animal husbandry that lifted us out of the multi-million-year-long Paleolithic Era. At the end of the Paleolithic, life expectancy for an adult who had survived childhood (infant mortality was an almost constant 80% until less than 200 years ago) was 50-55 years. But once humans became dependent on grains for sustenance, they unknowingly brought on horrible vitamin and mineral deficiencies. In the Roman Empire, life expectancy for the common people, who had very little access to nutritionally complete meat and dairy products, was about 25.

    The Iron Age allowed us to build weapons no one could have imagined in the past. War became a major cause of death.

    The Industrial Era is only now drawing to a close so almost everyone alive is familiar with its pitfalls. Pollution, deforestation, habitat destruction, social inequity, clashes between civilizations on opposite sides of the planet who in earlier eras would barely have known of each other's existence.

    Yet, if you just look at the beginning and ending points, who could say with a straight face that in aggregate we are not better off today than the nomadic hunter-gatherers 12KYA? Only the few misfits who assume that they could live successfully in the wilderness with nothing but a knife, a spear and a bow and arrows--most of whom have never spent more than a few weeks in the wilderness with a car, a cellphone, a carton of matches, a well-stocked medicine chest, and thirty cases of beer.

    Technology is the set of tools we use for taming nature and ourselves.
     
  10. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    The point of this threasd was not to discuss whether or not tecdhnology is useful or beneficial, clearly it
    passes both those tests in some ways, and is detrimental in some ways (probably moreso).

    What is the ultimate aim of technological advancement (TA)?

    If there isn't an aim, then at what point will it stop advancing?

    How do you envision the world in 400 hundred years time with technology advancing
    at the current rate ?


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  11. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    On principle, it is the betterment of material conditions of human living.

    In practice, it is to distract from the real problems of life.


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  12. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    "Probably more so?" Every invention, from flint blades to the taming of fire to clothing to spoken language to musical instruments to antibiotics is a technology. Are you really suggesting with a straight face that because money, gunpowder and videogames are also technology, that the detriments of technology might outweigh its benefits??? Can you say "Luddite"?
    To overcome the limitations of nature: both the external nature of our environment and the genetic programming of our own internal nature. I usually use the verb "transcend" instead of "overcome" but the nitpickers among us have descended upon it.
    We will never completely overcome the limitations of nature. But to speak to the specific wording of your question, it's quite acceptable for one's aim to be a process rather than a goal. "Continuous improvement" (or words to that effect) has become a slogan in I.T. and other business sectors.

    You can't always see your ultimate goal until you successfully complete the milestones along the way.
    People are fond of asking that question because it's so fascinating. But it's absurd.

    Put yourself in the place of an average citizen in 1840. I.e., a farmer (like 99.999% of the human race before industrialization) working 100-hour weeks with only hand tools and draft animals for help. You'll never travel more than 20 miles from your birthplace. The odds are about 80% that you're illiterate. You use lanterns and candles for lighting, fire for heating and cooking. Your family makes many of their clothes and tools, most of their bedding, and grows all of their food. You're lucky to hear professionally composed and performed music three or four times a year, unless you live close enough to a big town to hear the (mostly amateur) church choir on Sunday morning, and/or are prosperous enough to visit the tavern on Saturday night and listen to a (barely professional-quality) pianist and singer. News of the outside world is scant and slow. In other words, you live the way people have lived since the transition from the Bronze Age to the Iron Age three thousand years ago.

    You may be familiar with the latest technological advances, such as the steam engine, mass production and the telegraph.

    Okay, go! Predict what life will be like in 400 years, in the year 2240. Engines powered by fossil fuels replacing the power of human and animal muscles. Universal literacy. Heat and light at the touch of a button. Food, clothing and other products of astounding quality for sale at reasonable prices a short distance from home. Nearly instant communication with nearly every point on earth. Airplanes. Satellites. Professionally composed and performed music available 24/7--as well as a cornucopia of other culture and entertainment, plus news and commentary. Scientific medicine that looks like witchcraft but is more effective. You work in a job spending the entire day sitting comfortably and staring at words and numbers on a sheet of plastic (whatever that is)--and only 40 hours a week. And then there's...

    Oh wait. I'm not describing the world 400 years beyond 1840. I'm describing today's world, only 172 years later!

    So if you want to guess what life will be like 400 years from now, be my guest. I'm sure the people of 2412 (or even 2184, a mere 172 years from now) will get a good laugh out of it.

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    Someone once suggested that the way to tell who is running civilization in any era is to find the tallest buildings. At various times it was the forts (the military running civilization), the palaces (civil government running civilization), the cathedrals (religion)... then the banks (commerce). Today if you look up in the sky you might see a communication satellite flying high above the roofs of all of those edifices. Information technology now runs civilization.

    Who will be next?
     
  13. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    To better humanity.
     
  14. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    I'm always highly amused when someone asks how life/technology/etc. will look x-number of years in the future. Forgive me for being blunt but it's a VERY stupid question.

    As Fraggle has already pointed out, just step back a hundred years or so and ask what it will be like in the year 2012. No one - absolutely NO ONE even had the most remote clue! It was only about 75 years ago that people - lots of them! - thought that in a short time we would all have "flying cars" in every home garage. Have you got yours?

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    So just what sort of malfunction of the human mind could cause anyone to think we could do any better at it today??
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Fraggs,

    ..calm down dude, we're not in the ''religion section''.

    I'm asking you or anyone to use their imagination, and visualise a future
    based on the current rate of technological growth.

    Do you think their is an aim, or are we just moving blindly?

    Relax.

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  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What do you regard as the betterment of material conditions of human living?
    And do you think that goal is being achieved?


    Don't you think technology addresses the real problems of life?
    Oh! And what are the real problems of life, in your opinion?


    jan.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It's blind, people create technology for many reasons, personal, economic, humanitarian, etc. No one is coordinating all the individual developments, and there is no end goal for most of them. Space explorers might aim for establishing a colony on another planet, which would ensure our species against extinction in the event of another large asteroid strike. Some computer people aim to create intelligent computers. Mostly, this growth will suffer a blip and possibly a reversal due to the end of energy inputs from fossil fuels.
     
  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Read-Only,

    What gives you the right to say it's a VERY stupid question?
    Who are you, and what do you know?

    Come on!
    Todays technology and techno advancement, seems completely alien , to the progress made 100 years ago, and it's moving
    at a much faster rate. It's as if at some point in the twentieth century some advanced being said: ''okay, enough of that shit, check this out''. Rather than a step by step development.

    I may be wrong so please enlighten me, but that 's how it seemed, and still seems.


    My first experience of flying cars was watching Thunderbirds. I never thought of it as technology, just something that was cool. Then I was only a little lad. We used to have a tv show called Tommorows World, where they would talk about how the future would shape up, technologically. And it was more about vacium cleaners doing the houswork, or washing machines that could wash and dry your clothes.
    Phones which didn't need connections, complete with video technology.
    Now when we think of the future, it's way beyond any household gadget, or smart car.

    Do you think there is any direction in techno development, or is it just a case of suck it and see.

    jan.
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why do people think we need intelligent computers?

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  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    To think better and faster than people. To manage things that we cannot control effectively like the markets or other complex systems.
     
  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How do you thnk it can better humanity from our current technological postion?

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  22. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Neither I nor anyone else needs a "right" to state the obvious.

    You're completely missing the point. And your statements I quoted above serve to underscore and validate that point - that it's just a childish, foolish endeavor to attempt to predict the future of technology. Normally, technology progresses along small, discrete steps - an example is the improvement of vehicle gas mileage - but there are frequent breakthroughs, quite often in unrelated areas, that sends things off in totally unexpected - and UNPREDICTABLE - directions.

    So with that in mind, just reread your own post (above) and you should be able to see that any such predictions are totally worthless. :shrug:
     
  23. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    The point of the thread is not to ''predict'' the future of technological advancement, but to ''think'' what the ultimate aim could be.

    jan.
     

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