What is real? Quote from the Matrix. Now.... we've all questioned this reality, if it's the Matrix, a dream, another dimension seperate from the source of all that is and will ever be.But,in the eventuality that there is that alterverse (heaven), will there still be uncertainty in what is the true building block of everything that exists.

My question of what is "real" thrives from the theory that this alterverse with infinite possibilities is not constructed of matter. imagine dimensions that are something completely different from ours, dimensions without matter, without size or definition, without volume, spectrums completely different from this one, something that we can never contemplate due to our minds being limited by a 3 Dimension spectrum, experience, logic, etc.

Which brings up the question of what is "real"? if atoms are not the apsolute building block of every possible Universe or spectrum what is "real". What is the construct of all that is. Do we know? Will we ever know?

If we will someday know in the event of passing to that alterverse how will we know the truth? How can we? Our minds indeed would be different as such a mind as the soul is more advanced and can think at a higher rate and plane, but even then we would not know. Correct?

All we would know, is what is around us. All we'd know is the what surrounds us. So how can we truely know what "real" is? Some would use the theory of energy, and saying that it is the ever changable, Omni changable substance that everything has come from, in which it's not just an action, but a substance never seen, just felt by it's effects around you, i.e matter creating itself and the energy that comes from it. Forgive me if this is escew, and sounds like some foolish conspiracy, or if I am not making this clear.

Are there any thoughts on this?

I understand what one_raven means now.

I don't understand, what do you mean? Did someone else post a topic like this alredy? If so then I apologize.

Oh I guess it's fine. It's just that a few threads down is "Reality is an illusion" or something like that. And OR says this comes up far too often. But you are new so I will go easy :)

Basically I will just state how I stand on this issue: I do not know and I will never have a definite conclusion. Any answer to "what is real" or "is reality an illusion" that I formulate or read about from someone else can be seen as plausible.

My post is not very insightful... but I quickly get tired of posting the same thing over and over. I am fixing to write everything I think in a notebook and then have it published so I do not have to think for the rest of my life (whether it is real or not). ;)

there could be alternate realities(Sp?) but we have no proof of them. So as far as we know there could be alternates but we have no evidence to show that they exist. So i will take my typical approach on things that have little or no evience and label it under pluasible but possible.

THE HIDDEN TRUTH....

is that none of you americans... are constitutionally free.....

its all a lie...

you are cattle....

its not to late... you can wake up... and regain your freedom...

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/


do your own research... and you may wake up from the dream you are living.

-MT

Umm wrong thread i think mosheh:D

Perhaps wrong board...

Oh I guess it's fine. It's just that a few threads down is "Reality is an illusion" or something like that. And OR says this comes up far too often. But you are new so I will go easy :)

Basically I will just state how I stand on this issue: I do not know and I will never have a definite conclusion. Any answer to "what is real" or "is reality an illusion" that I formulate or read about from someone else can be seen as plausible.

My post is not very insightful... but I quickly get tired of posting the same thing over and over. I am fixing to write everything I think in a notebook and then have it published so I do not have to think for the rest of my life (whether it is real or not). ;)Well, I read his topic, the one on reality and illusion,

and it's not exactly what mine wa intended to be like. It's the contemplate the true building block of all that is.

It's purpose was not to contemplate on stimuli's differences.

It's not about my life being real or not, it's about ascention being real. When you cross over to the other side and die, will it be the final, or will there be something else that makes it up. Becuz it's reasonably infered that atoms are not the only building blocks present for all Universe's.

Becuz each is a different Universe, different spectrum, and dimension. Thus the true building block of all building blocks that construct all of what is, can not really be found out unless told to you, though questionable if God would or not, or just have you think about it, so you can inexoribly learn on your own. Or maybe you will not understand it, thus even if God explained it, you would never know what the true building block is.

Will we ever know the true building blocks of all that is, is what makes up heaven the final building block, or is it yet another branch of what the true building block is. Example being elements made up of atoms, atoms of electrons, and so on and so forth. Thus the question is if such the building blocks of the alterverse are what everything constructs from, or just another branch?

it is theorized to be the source of all that is, but can the source even be made of something else, thus there is no end to that "source".

ACUTALLY.... NO... MARIE, Makes the analogy to the matrix very clear.


READ MARIES BOOK... she makes it all so clear... just dont buy into the idea of free money from the straw man.... that... is questionable... and all those who have tried it... have supposively gotten locked up... cause they drew to much money.

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/law/Mary.htm

-MT

ACUTALLY.... NO... MARIE, Makes the analogy to the matrix very clear.


READ MARIES BOOK... she makes it all so clear... just dont buy into the idea of free money from the straw man.... that... is questionable... and all those who have tried it... have supposively gotten locked up... cause they drew to much money.

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/law/Mary.htm

-MTIf the idea constitutes that our government lies to us, and possibly everything is a lie, (i.e CIA within a CIA within a CIA and so on and so forth) then I am not blind to that. I know very well the lies George Bush and his administration presents. I know very well the lies consituted by the Neo Conservative administration.

But I can't do anything about that, except oppose him and vote.

I think maybe you want to question what knowledge is and how it differs from opinion. Right?

THATS NOT THE LIE... the lie... is so much bigger...

i cant tell it to you easily... you must take the time to read this site...

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/ and all its links.

then... when you have woken up... and realised the reality...

join the constittuion party.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

-MT

THATS NOT THE LIE... the lie... is so much bigger...

i cant tell it to you easily... you must take the time to read this site...

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/ and all its links.

then... when you have woken up... and realised the reality...

join the constittuion party.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

-MT

Post this somewhere else... this is not the place.

I think maybe you want to question what knowledge is and how it differs from opinion. Right?mmmm not exactly, just the true building blocks of all that exists, though I tend to tip towards matter creating itself, but even then, that's still not the apsolute truth on the true building block, as there are probably others different seeing as this is merely one of infinite dimensions.

I don't really know how to explain this.... but it's a theory of mine. It's difficult really.

As for what you mean by THE LIE. Is there any evident truth on this?

And if so, how will it free me? I am still in the U.S., living that lie. Even if you know the truth are you free? This isn't like the Matrix, where you can just go to Zion and escape, we're still here Mosheh.

IF YOU READ MARIES BOOK... you would understand the matrix analogy.

most people...

dont want to know.... they wont read any of it...

they are more confortable.. not knowing.


are you like that??? or will you try to learn??

-MT

And if so, how will it free me? I am still in the U.S., living that lie. Even if you know the truth are you free? This isn't like the Matrix, where you can just go to Zion and escape, we're still here Mosheh.

YOU CAN GIVE UP 14th ammemdnemt citizenship...

you can free yourself from the jurisdiction of the state... and gain jurisdiction OVER THE STATE..

YOU CAN FREE YOURSELF FROM THE 66 MILLION STATUTES which rule your life everyday.....

you can free yourself from property tax... which allows the gov't to take your land.....
you can give up paying income tax... its volentary... did you know that??

you can be a free sovereign american... like the founding fathers intended....


instead.. of the economic slave you have become...

as it is today.....

you are subject to the jurisdiction of the state.... i am not anymore.
you are subject to paying taxes.. and having your stuff taken from you.

you are subject, to anything the gov't says....

read the 14th ammendment.... its says clearly... you are due to it, put under their jurisdiction...

before that time.. we were all free men...


not anymore... not since 1933.

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/


-MT

THE ONLY group i know of which wants to free you... is..

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

and the california affiliate.. the american independant party.

-MT

Both Everything and Nothing are real

Both Everything and Nothing are real

Oh no, not the nothingness debate again :(

Don't get emotional Absane, you've got someone on your side of that debate. ;)

And what side is it that I am on? LOL. Please tell me :bugeye:

You know your right........ I uh... I guess I don't know lol.

At the extreme end of the scale, where Ti is very dominant, the ultimate goal of understanding the world with total clarity must be achieved through total detachment from everything. Fortunately, Ti never dominates over the other 3 preferences to such an extent that such an unhealthy state is reached.

Where detachment ceases is when someone makes an illogical statement or violates one of the INTPs principles. At such a point, the INTP feels the instant drive to provide for clarity. This is his Mission; to be the provider of clarity, and is often suspicious that he is the only person capable of this task.

Perhaps that is why? :rolleyes:

Here is my order of things:

1) Creation of "reality" by something.
2) Creation of "beings" that perceive it.

Whether or not 1 and 2 are physical in nature or not, I cannot seem to deny that something is perceiving what was created in 1.

Never mind any ultimate goal of understanding the world with total clarity. Death will come soon enough to divorce you from that obligation.

When the notion of "reality" crops up what I understand immediately and clearly enough is the sentimental undertone of suffering and inevitability.

All the religious and philosophical systems have this in common, the craving to escape from the reality of the ultimate terror, that of not really knowing.

--- Ron.

You got it Ron. Pretty much the inability of understanding reality haunts me... the complex interconnectedness of everything (systems) and realizing I cannot prove what I know to be true or that knowing the absolute truths just won't happen.