|
|
View Full Version : What is noble for you?
WANDERER 01-12-04, 11:44 AM I succumb to the temptation to submit one my favourite philosophers opinion on the matter, only because it so closely represents my own.
“The ultimate noble-mindedness.- So what makes a person ‘noble’?
Certainly not making sacrifices; even those burning with lust make sacrifices. Certainly not following some passion, for there are contemptible passions. Certainly not that one does something for others without selfishness: perhaps no one is more consistently selfish than the noble one.- Rather, the passion that overcomes the noble is a singularity, and he fails to realize this: the use of a rare and singular standard and almost madness; the feeling of heat in things that feel cold to everyone else; a hitting upon values for which the scale has not yet been invented; a sacrifice on altars made for an unknown god; a courage without any desire for honours; a self-sufficiency that overflows and communicates to men and things. Hitherto, then, it was rarity and the unawareness of this rarity that made noble. Note, however, that by means of this standard everything usual, near, and indispensable, in short, that which most preserves the species, and in general the rule of humanity hitherto, was inequitably judged and on the whole slandered in favour of the exceptions. To become the advocate of the rule- that might be the ultimate form and refinement in which noble-mindedness manifests itself on earth."
-The Gay Science [55 book 1]
What is nobility or noble for you?
curioucity 01-12-04, 11:59 PM Well, I myself consider nobility as grand solitude-> an ultra-rich loner living in the middle of Pasiic would be one example :P.
But seriously, well, yes, I think noblemen won't talk alot anyway...
Nobility ---> Latin, nobilis; that which is known
For the Romans, a person respected and known for their virtue or fighting prowess. Blood was purer and stronger.
Dignity in the eyes of the crowd.
And nowadays?
SoLiDUS 01-13-04, 01:02 AM Nowadays ? Bob Saget.
WANDERER 01-13-04, 06:09 AM curioucity
Well, I myself consider nobility as grand solitude->
Very true nobility can lead to solitude but it is a consequence of it not the cause.
This solitude is more a result of selectivity, which is a characteristic of nobility.
That which is noble chooses when, where and with whom to congregate and is not reliant upon it.
It is much more stringent as to how and towards whom it expresses affection, either in friendship or love or lust and has uncompromising discriminating tastes.
This does not mean nobility is snobbish but that there is a line of dignity it cannot lower itself beneath just to pacify instinctual, emotional, intellectual or physical needs.
As such when a noble mind loves or accepts or empathizes it means much more than when a common mind does it because the noble mind is governed by reason and emotions and instincts are under its control whereas a common mind is a helpless paper boat on a lake of feeling and impulse.
Dearprudence
Let's replace "crowd" with the word "Zev".
'Zev'?
Who's that?
sargentlard 01-13-04, 12:08 PM 'Zev'?
Who's that?
Most likely a typo...Z is right next to X and we all know who Xev is.
cosmictraveler 01-13-04, 12:51 PM The dictionary defines noble as:
1 a : possessing outstanding qualities : ILLUSTRIOUS b : FAMOUS
3 a : possessing very high or excellent qualities or properties <noble wine> b : very good or excellent
6 : chemically inert or inactive especially toward oxygen <a noble metal such as platinum
river-wind 01-13-04, 03:14 PM for me, Nobility is a person who is willing suffer more in order to reduce the suffering of other beings. Even if that, too, is selfish (which it is, to a certain degree), it is the best selfishness one can have, IMO. It has the best overall effect in the end.
This does, however, come with a caveot. Those who increase their own suffering without notice of the increase in suffering this creates for those around them are fools, not nobles. For instance, a person who diligently sacrifieses him/herself for a cause or for the well being of someone else, without first considering the stress and pain his/her loved ones will go through because of thier sacrifice is not acting in nobility. Most often they are acting in a short sighted attempt to be some one's hero; ignoring those for whom they are already a hero.
BigBlueHead 01-13-04, 03:15 PM Nobility is a sign that one person hangs on another person.
In one age a person who treats their slaves well is "noble".
In another age a person who preaches the word of God is "noble".
At one time a person who owned land was "noble".
At another time the un-landed rose up and killed the "noble".
There is an old saying:
"An expert is a man with a briefcase far from home."
I shall paraphrase:
"A noble person is the one who gives you a cookie."
WANDERER 01-14-04, 06:35 AM Dictionary definitions are fine but personal definitions are better.
Every word has a definition but also a nuance and subtle meaning that can be personal and distinct.
Language is art, learn to speak and think like artist and not so much like scientists and bureaucrats.
BigBlueHead 01-14-04, 07:38 AM I stand by my definition. Noble is a relation between two people; you are noble to those that you help, and not to those that you don't. It is subjective.
Your personal measure of your own nobility relates to how much you think you've helped other people, but most people are awful at determining how noble they are - rather, we're much better at determining how noble others are to us.
WANDERER 01-14-04, 07:49 AM I stand by my definition. Noble is a relation between two people; you are noble to those that you help, and not to those that you don't. It is subjective.
Your personal measure of your own nobility relates to how much you think you've helped other people, but most people are awful at determining how noble they are - rather, we're much better at determining how noble others are to us.
I wasn’t referring to you.
Your definition is accepted and respected.
redarmy11 11-03-07, 05:06 PM Probably treating everybody equally, regardless of gender, ethnicity, age, disability or sexual orientation, I expect.
Another ancient artifact desecrated by: redarmy11. "Desecrating ancient artifacts since 2005."
cosmictraveler 11-03-07, 05:18 PM Dictionary definitions are fine but personal definitions are better.
Every word has a definition but also a nuance and subtle meaning that can be personal and distinct.
Language is art, learn to speak and think like artist and not so much like scientists and bureaucrats.
We are noble to a certain extent because we all have to live our lives in
constant readiness to either help, be helped or get help to others. Many
people have given aid without recognition or fanfare and to those people I'd
give them the Noblest of All awards. To give of yourself without regards of
your own welfare is , to me, the greatest way to show noble ways.
redarmy11 11-03-07, 05:20 PM Fuckin' A.
redarmy11 11-03-07, 05:22 PM He was an arsehole. A small piece of dogshit on the shoes of a drunken bum.
Nobility is choosing the stupid option, knowing it is the stupid option
redarmy11 11-03-07, 05:27 PM Bravo!!!
This place deserves ....better.
*giggle* Thanks! :o
|